| rrq | LeePen: yes, wpa_gui manages wpa_supplicant, i.e. "the wifi cable" if you like. It goes together with ifupdown which then technically is your (otherwise gui-less) "networking tool". | 00:46 |
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| rrq | .. that's where I have gone after finishing my crying session about wicd. | 00:48 |
| golinux | Why doesn't someone rewrite it for the latest python? (I hope I remembered that correctly) | 01:00 |
| rrq | there is something called wicd in Debian/unstable but I don't know anything about the status of that | 01:04 |
| rrq | we also had wicd forked so I guess there's some Ugly in the Debian package | 01:05 |
| Xenguy | golinux, I *thought* I read that it might be being worked on, but it won't be in time for Buster... | 01:22 |
| Xenguy | Please don't quote me on that, as I sometimes just imagine things I want to happen = ) | 01:22 |
| tuxd3v | the package 'system-config-printer' is missing when you install Mate-Desktop from tasksel | 01:27 |
| tuxd3v | just installed it and voilla printers availlable in the control center :) | 01:27 |
| golinux | It could be in time for Devuan. | 01:28 |
| golinux | If it is a viable solution . . . | 01:29 |
| tuxd3v | sorry, I meant in devuan chimaera in tasksel it is not selected to install.. :/ | 01:31 |
| Xenguy | tuxd3v, I'm wondering what the best way to report this bug is? | 01:36 |
| Xenguy | Good detective work BTW | 01:37 |
| Xenguy | golinux, connman doesn't seem too bad actually so far, but it would be nice to have wicd back too | 01:39 |
| tuxd3v | Xenguy, thanks.. to be honest, I scratched my head a few times, but I managed to get it.. hehehe :) | 01:39 |
| Xenguy | Hopefully somebody here will pick this up | 01:39 |
| tuxd3v | I liked a lot of simple-netaid from heitor, but I only saw a picture of it in the mainling lists, I don't know what managment it does for WIFI, if I recall it at the time he said it was availlable, or was in developing stage, don't know its status now.. | 01:41 |
| fsmithred | tuxd3v, http://packages.gnuinos.org/gnuinos/pool/main/s/ | 01:43 |
| fsmithred | I see simple-netaid-cdk and snetaid. I don't know what the difference is. Ask aitor when you see him. | 01:44 |
| fsmithred | or try them | 01:44 |
| tuxd3v | fsmithred, many thanks, maybe I will try them, and see, | 01:51 |
| tuxd3v | CDK - Curses Development Kit | 01:52 |
| tuxd3v | I believe aitor was planning something like Ceni :) | 01:52 |
| Xenguy | tuxd3v, Hopefully a better designed Ceni | 01:53 |
| tuxd3v | :D | 01:53 |
| tuxd3v | to be honest I haven't tried yet, but I probably will | 01:53 |
| Xenguy | It might work, but I don't like the design | 01:53 |
| Xenguy | So I bailed | 01:54 |
| tuxd3v | well Ceni, for me works nice, but like you guys find above.. it maybe replaces the 'network/interfaces' file :/ | 01:54 |
| Xenguy | The great thing is that all these different tools are there for anyone who prefers them... | 01:55 |
| Xenguy | And I really appreciate that kind of choice in Linux | 01:55 |
| tuxd3v | indeed.. | 01:55 |
| tuxd3v | I will try the simple-netaid-cdk( Curses Development Kit ) :) | 01:56 |
| tuxd3v | I nkow that the Graphical version is gtk2.. | 01:56 |
| Xenguy | tuxd3v, Trip report? | 01:56 |
| tuxd3v | yeah , I report back my experience with it :) | 01:57 |
| Xenguy | Yay | 01:57 |
| tuxd3v | well simple-netaid is still in developement.. for ethernet it seems to work, | 02:32 |
| tuxd3v | but for WiFI, when we try to search for wifi networks, it prints some garbage info , and them if we press enter, it just segfault.. | 02:33 |
| tuxd3v | libnetaid - http://packages.gnuinos.org/gnuinos/pool/main/libn/libnetaid/ | 02:34 |
| tuxd3v | simple-netaid - http://packages.gnuinos.org/gnuinos/pool/main/s/simple-netaid-cdk/(ncurses version) | 02:35 |
| tuxd3v | my bad, it segfaulted because I needed the package 'firmware-misc-nonfree' for my usb adapter :) | 02:48 |
| tuxd3v | it scans networks, but it doesn't have a option to connect to another one.. | 02:48 |
| tuxd3v | for example, to connect to a hiden network( which is my AP case, its iden.. ) | 02:49 |
| tuxd3v | It would be nice if it had a option to connect to hiden networks.. | 02:49 |
| tuxd3v | So, long story short , it gives you options to connect to networks visible ( it shows same networks as 'iwlist scan' ) | 02:52 |
| tuxd3v | Ceni, just freaks out with my realtek adapter :/ | 02:58 |
| tuxd3v | WIFI | 02:58 |
| tuxd3v | its the first time I see Ceni freaking out :D | 02:59 |
| Xenguy | Thanks, work in progress, sounds like | 04:32 |
| LeePen | Quick heads up that I am going to be away from Thursday morning. Launching our boat and sailing to new mooring in Glencoe, so a little hard to be specific about how long it will take -- depends on the weather. Estimate a week to 10 days. | 11:13 |
| * rrq sounds Ballachulish | 11:27 | |
| LeePen | Absolutely! But the Mull of Kintyre is in the way first, so it is quite a long way round. | 14:19 |
| Xenguy | LeePen, When you get to Glencoe, give my regards to the MacDonalds! | 15:31 |
| LeePen | I don't get involved in Clann politics! | 15:43 |
| bgstack15 | LeePen: wow, have fun sailing! | 16:15 |
| golinux | Takes me back to my sail across the Bay of Biscay many decades ago. That took a while also. | 18:18 |
| gnu_srs1 | rrq: You mentioned a script un-merge-usr in latest meeting notes. That's something I really would like to use, especially for all new Debian installations. | 18:24 |
| gnu_srs1 | Is it available and works? Maybe we should make a Debian package for it! | 18:24 |
| Unit193 | gnu_srs1: It's...well it was written and I presume tested. No idea how reliable it is. Also it's in a package, one that might even be on your system, dpkg. See dpkg-fsys-usrunmess. | 18:42 |
| Unit193 | Also, "for all new installations" just don't use merged-usr? Note though that the CTTE ruled in favor of merged-usr, so if that's a delta you plan to try and carry then more and more things may start to break. | 18:43 |
| Unit193 | Bullseye will be fine, but past that... | 18:43 |
| golinux | gnu_srs1: https://git.devuan.org/rrq/newlisp-ftw/src/branch/master/un-merge-usr.lsp | 19:07 |
| Xenguy | So there's ^^ this script and then there's another one in Debian, or ...? | 19:12 |
| Unit193 | Huh, didn't know someone wrote a lisp one too. | 19:13 |
| * Xenguy wonders how long before the Delta (so-called) gets heavier to carry? Or does it? | 19:14 | |
| golinux | Debian created the merge. Why would they want to undo it? | 19:17 |
| Unit193 | "Debian" is a group of people, not everyone is on board with merged usr. Specifically, the dpkg maintainer thinks it's rather broken. | 19:18 |
| Unit193 | IIRC, Slack or someone tried it long ago but didn't use a good method, Fedora did it more "recently" and it seems to have executed well enough. Debian didn't really "create" it. :P | 19:19 |
| Xenguy | Good point, it seems to have emanated from Fedora historically | 19:19 |
| golinux | Unit193: But it is the default since Buster. And there is no option not to merge. | 19:20 |
| golinux | Unit193: It is the default in Debian. Zero choice on the matter. | 19:21 |
| Unit193 | `debootstrap --no-merged-usr`? --debootstrap-options "--no-merged-usr"? | 19:22 |
| Unit193 | mmdebstrap I don't think has merged support. | 19:22 |
| onefang | https://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/systemd/TheCaseForTheUsrMerge/ interestingly enough links to Rob Landleys take on the split, but then straight after it claims a different reason. The split is purely historical baggage. | 19:23 |
| onefang | http://lists.busybox.net/pipermail/busybox/2010-December/074114.html for the Rob Landley stuff. | 19:23 |
| golinux | This is a test | 20:30 |
| golinux | Hmmmm | 20:30 |
| golinux | That's better | 20:31 |
| gnu_srs1 | In my opinion a tool like dpkg-fsys-usrunmess would be very useful for Debian users not wanting merged-/usr. | 22:49 |
| gnu_srs1 | As well as Devuan users migrating from e.g. Debian/Buster to Devuan/Beowulf etc | 22:49 |
| gnu_srs1 | rrq: See above about un-merge-usr | 22:49 |
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