| huria4 | I've been hearing some drama online that this project is staggering. Is there any truth to that statement? | 19:35 |
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| mason | huria4: Nah, the project's in good shape. We're spinning up more folks to fork as forking becomes more of a necessity. | 19:39 |
| huria4 | How does forking become a necessity? | 19:39 |
| mason | huria4: As more Debian packages start listing systemd packages as dependencies, a fork becomes necesssary to install those packages. | 19:40 |
| huria4 | Oh. I thought you were talking about forking the distro itself for a minute there. | 19:40 |
| mason | Take, for instance, openssh-server. Does the OpenBSD project ship a package that depends on systemd? I don't think so. So we need to fork that so it no longer depends on systems in the package system, as it clearly doesn't need it in any real sense. | 19:40 |
| mason | No no. | 19:40 |
| mason | Devuan tries to fork as little as it can, but the need is growing, sadly. | 19:41 |
| mason | s/systems in the/systemd in the/ | 19:41 |
| huria4 | What a shame. It's just an init system, but has become a monster that has enough complexity to be a kernel itself. | 19:41 |
| mason | But in general, the tooling is solid and improving, the crowd is stable and growing, etc. | 19:41 |
| mason | huria4: Don't be confused there. It does nothing to demanding as what the kernel does. Think of it as a bunch of unnecessary wrappers around existing functionality. | 19:42 |
| mason | so demanding as* sigh typing-- | 19:42 |
| mason | All the stuff we care about still runs, except for things like logging where systemd is trying to force out alternatives. | 19:43 |
| huria4 | Say, is 3.1 in sync with the latest point release of debian? | 19:43 |
| mason | Anyway, got some errands, but that's my view. Not sure what drama you read online but things looks healthy to me. | 19:43 |
| mason | huria4: Remember that point releases in Debian just refer to how fresh a box you get with a new install. After the first update, you're running the latest Buster, for instance. Same here. | 19:44 |
| mason | bbl, but if you want clarifications of anything, there will be folks around in here who can answer | 19:45 |
| sadsnork | Sorry folks: mishka.snork.ca mirror down right now, ticket submitted to provider. | 22:21 |
| sadsnork | Appears to be back up again. Monitoring. | 22:30 |
| onefang | apt-panopticon is happy about it again. | 22:32 |
| sadsnork | Huzzah! :-) | 22:35 |
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