| fsmithred | all the task-*-desktop packages recommend devuan-speech-dispatcher-config-override | 00:20 |
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| fsmithred | but xfce4 depends on xfce4-pulseaudio-plugin, which depends on pavucontrol | 00:20 |
| fsmithred | so the desktop-live iso has a pavucontrol icon on the panel, but it hangs trying to connect to pulseaudio. | 00:21 |
| fsmithred | Are we intending to exclude pulseaudio from all the default desktop installs? | 00:21 |
| fsmithred | LeePen, ^^^ | 00:22 |
| fsmithred | BTW, audio works. This is a system installed from the desktop-live. | 00:23 |
| golinux | I noticed that icon and did a double take . . . | 00:38 |
| rrq | fsmithred: https://bugs.devuan.org/cgi/bugreport.cgi?bug=592 | 10:24 |
| rrq | .. you had some thought in how to pacth magic-touch for that? | 10:24 |
| LeePen | fsmithred: Hmmm, I suppose that wasn't the primary intention, but is the consequent effect. | 10:33 |
| LeePen | xfce4-pulseaudio-plugin only recommends pavucontrol. Does uninstalling pavucontrol work? | 10:36 |
| LeePen | devuan-speech-dispatcher-config-override could also conflict with pavucontrol to make that happen automatically. | 10:37 |
| LeePen | That would be a problem for lxqt which depends pavucontrol. | 10:39 |
| LeePen | I use volumeicon-alsa as a systray volume control when I don't have pulseaudio installed. | 11:07 |
| fsmithred | rrq, if we can figure out a way to test for encrypted root filesystem, the GRUB_THEME line could be commented or left out. | 12:48 |
| rrq | could you check the newest iso, which copies splash.png to the target.. is that an option instead of GRUB_THEME? | 12:51 |
| fsmithred | yeah, I tested that a few days ago | 12:52 |
| rrq | root | 12:52 |
| fsmithred | that's the case where if you add the theme later, when you boot you see the theme and then for an instant you see the splash, and then it starts scrolling | 12:52 |
| fsmithred | add the theme later= installation | 12:53 |
| rrq | yes, I was thinking to do without theme | 12:53 |
| fsmithred | do without the theme just in the isos you mean? | 12:54 |
| rrq | on the installed system.. it has the Devuan splash | 12:56 |
| fsmithred | there will be a storm | 12:56 |
| fsmithred | I thought about changing desktop-base to put the grub themes in /boot/grub but that will break the alternatives choice | 12:59 |
| fsmithred | update-alternatives changes links, doesn't edit /etc/default/grub to change the theme | 12:59 |
| rrq | with a "default splash" then any themeing will override, and it's "branded | 13:00 |
| rrq | without theming | 13:00 |
| rrq | the splash just replaces the "beautiful blue" | 13:01 |
| hagbard | Even /boot can be encrypted, putting the themes there won't help then. And the space in /boot often is not plenty. | 13:05 |
| fsmithred | good point | 13:05 |
| hagbard | Encrypted /boot works well with grub, btw. I have it that way on my Laptop. | 13:06 |
| fsmithred | yeah, I've done it. I don't like it, but it does work. | 13:06 |
| fsmithred | and refractainstaller will let you do it during the install. | 13:07 |
| fsmithred | does the debian/devuan installer do it now, or do you still have to do it afterward? | 13:07 |
| yeti | is theming grub worth it? how often would one see it? | 13:08 |
| yeti | $ uptime | awk -F, '$0=$1","$2' | 13:08 |
| yeti | 11:07:17 up 60 days, 19:24 | 13:08 |
| fsmithred | I think you'd see it about once a month with all the kernel updates | 13:08 |
| yeti | I typically suspend that box if unused to keep my workflow kinda chackpointed | 13:09 |
| yeti | so it gets that uptime without running 24/7 | 13:10 |
| hagbard | But holdup, after the first stage of grub, after /boot gets decrypted, themes in /boot might be accessible from the grub menu stage. | 13:10 |
| fsmithred | yeah, that should work | 13:10 |
| fsmithred | but that still takes it out of the alternatives system | 13:11 |
| fsmithred | anyway, I'm doing an install with the June14 netinstall iso now. | 13:11 |
| hagbard | But imho a clean and reliable boot process is more important than some pretty pictures. | 13:11 |
| yeti | apropos... the arm crowd seems to call netinstall netboot... is that a mishap or intentionally? | 13:12 |
| fsmithred | rrq, I'm not fully awake. Do I need to be doing a uefi install? | 13:12 |
| fsmithred | does anyone actually install on arm? Don't they just copy disk images? | 13:12 |
| rrq | no, both are the same | 13:12 |
| fsmithred | oops. booted without virtual disk. | 13:13 |
| rrq | I think "netboot" is an image that boots via net | 13:13 |
| fsmithred | yeah, you can find it in the debian-installer tree | 13:13 |
| fsmithred | pkgmaster | 13:14 |
| fsmithred | almost done | 14:02 |
| fsmithred | no splash on reboot | 14:03 |
| rrq | hmm gimme a sec | 14:04 |
| fsmithred | yeah, file is not there | 14:04 |
| fsmithred | wow, that was vague | 14:04 |
| fsmithred | no splash.png in /boot/grub | 14:05 |
| fsmithred | or any png | 14:05 |
| fsmithred | also, unrelated, saw "amixer: invalid command" or something like that at the end of the boot messages | 14:05 |
| fsmithred | there's a mixer icon on the panel, but it does nothing | 14:05 |
| rrq | devuan_chimaera_4.0.alpha-20210714 ? | 14:06 |
| fsmithred | and same as install from desktop-live, pavucontrol is installed without pulseaudio | 14:06 |
| fsmithred | yeah 714 | 14:07 |
| LeePen | fsmithred: See my earlier comments about that ^^^ | 14:08 |
| fsmithred | I did. I don't have an answer at this time. | 14:08 |
| LeePen | OK | 14:08 |
| fsmithred | yes, uninstalling pavucontrol works easily | 14:08 |
| rrq | mmm right .. the magic logic doesn't keep the splash if there's a desktop-base.list | 14:09 |
| fsmithred | oh, that test | 14:09 |
| rrq | I suppose for this test you'll need to install without DE, and then maybe pull in DE manually | 14:11 |
| rrq | I'll cut a collection fully without GRUB_THEME fixing ... coming up soonish | 14:12 |
| fsmithred | is there some easy way we can test for encrypted root in that script? | 14:13 |
| rrq | no idea... check for running decryption process ? check mount output? blkid? lsblk? | 14:15 |
| fsmithred | yeah, blkid |grep crypt might be part of it | 14:16 |
| fsmithred | maybe there's some global variable for root filesystem? | 14:17 |
| fsmithred | oh | 14:17 |
| fsmithred | crypttab | 14:17 |
| fsmithred | in the target | 14:17 |
| rrq | ... 717 in the oven | 14:23 |
| fsmithred | ok | 14:23 |
| hagbard | you'd have to check cryptab, and then fstab, to see if the encrypted file system get's mounted to / | 14:24 |
| fsmithred | if awk '$2 =="/" { print $1 } /etc/fstab | grep crypt ; then echo "root is encrypted" ; fi | 14:27 |
| fsmithred | that works | 14:27 |
| fsmithred | do we have awk in the installer environment? | 14:27 |
| yeti | does it use the same busybox as the installed system? | 14:28 |
| yeti | then awk is in there | 14:28 |
| yeti | check `busybox awk` if it isnt already linked | 14:29 |
| rrq | fsmithred: amd64 isos available .. mirroring to charla atm | 15:19 |
| fsmithred | installing debian right now | 15:20 |
| golinux | <hagbard> [06:11:54] But imho a clean and reliable boot process is more important than some pretty pictures. | 17:28 |
| golinux | :(((( | 17:28 |
| yeti | I really do not care for that bootblingbling at all | 17:43 |
| * golinux is delighted to be letting go of theming the desktop . . . | 18:29 | |
| yeti | take back the day again! | 18:40 |
| fsmithred | rrq success on 717! I downloaded i386 by mistake, but it works. | 18:49 |
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