libera/#devuan-dev/ Tuesday, 2021-08-31

gnu_srsFYI: build005 is up and running again, now upgraded to beowulf. Please check that all is OK.12:37
gnu_srsOne puzzling thing for me is beowulf-backports. The upgrade page https://www.devuan.org/os/documentation/dev1fanboy/en/upgrade-to-beowulf.html12:40
gnu_srshas it commented out. And enabling it installs a lo of new packages, including a 5.x kernel.12:40
gnu_srsIs the backports thought of being for the next point release?12:40
Xenguygnu_srs, re: that page and backports:  I can't say for sure, but as far as I know there's no relationship between backports and (point) releases17:52
XenguyAnybody, feel free to correct me if I'm in error about that.17:53
golinuxgnu_srs: the "official" descriptions of available repos is here: https://www.devuan.org/os/packages17:56
golinux"backports provides newer versions of packages already in the testing suite but linked to stable dependencies. This is useful if you prefer using newer software versions over well-tested stable versions. It is advised to disable backports and only enable to install specific packages."17:57
golinuxIOW, use backports with discretion17:58
fsmithredthings that go into *-proposed-updates eventually get into next point-release18:05
golinuxClarity from the source18:06
masonDo we trim http://deb.devuan.org/devuan/pool/ periodically? I'm seeing some stuff that has no source in git and wondering why it's there. http://deb.devuan.org/devuan/pool/main/z/zfs-linux/ for instance18:22
masonI haven't gone through all the package indices yet to explore that way. I guess that'd be good to do.18:27
LeePenmason: zfs-linux was forked for ascii, but not since.19:11
LeePenI *think* the pool only contains what is necessary, but if you can find any cruft, let me know.19:12
masonkk, I'll take a comb through at some point soon19:12
masonThank you.19:12
LeePenFor the record, I imagine the zfs-linux ascii repo is on the old git instance. But the source tarballs will be in the pool.19:28
plasma41Xenguy: Regarding https://www.devuan.org/os/announce/beowulf-point-release-announce-021421 : As a historical document, I would prefer it not be changed even if its contents may contain out-of-date information. I would encourage you to revert your recent change to the IRC network listed in the announcement. Libera didn't exist yet when the announcement was initially published. Let's not mess with history.23:28
masontuxd3v: plasma41: It's the most recent release, so people will use that as a live reference.23:31
masonExcept not tuxd3v.23:31
masonplasma41: What's the value of pointing to Freenode even in a historical document? Who does it serve? Who does it potentially hurt or hinder?23:31
masonFolks particularly interested in archaeology can look at version control.23:32
jushur+123:32
plasma41I just want the announcements to be preserved as sent. If we want to solve the "lastest announcement points to old network" problem, I think the proper solution should be to get Chimaera out the door. :-)23:34
masonplasma41: Consider the "resource channels" section to be distinct from the announcement, then.23:36
jushurI think we actually should delete all references to Fnode from any "current" docs for projects that does not actually use it.. no matter of historical preservation "wants". (we, as in anyone on the internet), also edits should be documented at the end of the page. showing what/why it where changed.23:40
masonThat'd work too.23:42
masonI just don't want anyone to look for help and end up in Leenode.23:42
jushuragree23:42
plasma41Don't get me wrong, I have no love for what now calls itself freenode. I'm just a digital archaeologist and archivist at heart, so I like my history to be unedited.23:45
jushurid say its not history yet? it is when its not used right?23:46
plasma41There's some semantic wiggle room23:48
XenguyI have to dash off, but the thought had occurred to me that I could simply revert the recent edit, after Chimaera is officially released.  Perhaps that might suffice as a compromise plan?23:51
plasma41That would suffice23:52
XenguyFWIW I prefer not to "mess with history" either.23:53
golinuxplasma41: There are email announcements with leenode that maintain archaeological correctness.  And also all previous announcements.23:57
golinuxon the web.23:57
golinuxIt was only the CURRENT release that was altered.23:58

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