| rrq | note: bugs.devuan.org and popcon.devuan.org will be down for awhile sometime within the coming 12 hours | 00:50 |
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| bb|hcb | LeePen: I have missed that the config file is inherited from the replaced udev package; now your patch makes sense | 01:41 |
| gnu_srs1 | LeePen: Thanks for the patch. Looking at the debian.maintscript file most of the files referred to are no longer present in the source. | 11:30 |
| gnu_srs1 | Couldn't we just remove that file? | 11:30 |
| LeePen | gnu_srs1: Yes, eudev.maintscript looks like it has lots of udev migration cruft in. But I don't know/understand the background. | 11:33 |
| LeePen | I think bb|hcb tried just removing the file and got an initramfs error. | 11:33 |
| gnu_srs1 | s/debian.maintscript/eudev.maintscript/ of course :D | 11:50 |
| mason | LeePen: Re: the AppArmor profile email I just read, an interesting note is that Debian's kernel doesn't have the bits needed to do network containment with AppArmor. I don't know if that's relevant to the dhcp/chrony thing, but seeing network tools and AppArmor in the same sentence makes me want to note that. | 18:41 |
| mason | This is true in both Buster and Bullseye. | 18:42 |
| LeePen | mason: Interesting. Even more evidence that it is their problem to deal with. | 19:07 |
| LeePen | I have removed apparmor from all my systems anyway. | 19:07 |
| mason | I like the idea but it's frustrating that bits are missing - and particularly the bits I most want to use. | 19:18 |
| mason | LeePen: If you look at apparmor.d(5) in either Beowulf or Chimaera, the first section notes what's missing. | 19:18 |
| bb|hcb | LeePen: yep. about eudev, removing /etc/udev/udev.conf is not an option - that breaks update-initramfs (and maybe ton of other things that have the path hardcoded) | 23:36 |
| bb|hcb | I have got a new toy (no legacy boot supported, also it seems that secure boot can not be switched off in bios - there is an option that reverts to enabled by itself) and both devuan_beowulf_3.1.1_amd64_netinstall.iso and devuan_chimaera_4.0.beta-20210830_amd64_netinstall.iso do not boot; I have tried debian-11.0.0-amd64-netinst.iso and it boots OK | 23:44 |
| mason | bb|hcb: The full live images consistently boot for me where the netinstall images don't. | 23:45 |
| mason | bb|hcb: Also note that you can do a Beowulf debootstrap install from Debian media, but there's no backing file set for Chimaera yet. | 23:45 |
| bb|hcb | fsck! in office I have 10g, but here only 5m :) is there some unofficial image that I can try? | 23:48 |
| bb|hcb | bootstrapping is PITA, I believe it would be easier to install debian 10 and convert by rrq's script | 23:48 |
| gnu_srs1 | bb|hcb: So you removed the file /etc/udev/udev.conf? What about removing debian/eudev.maintscript? I'll try this out tomorrow. | 23:49 |
| bb|hcb | gnu_srs1: somewhere above there is a patch from LeePen - I believe that is the most safe way - it removes the lines from eudev.maintscript that remove /etc/udev/udev.conf | 23:50 |
| bb|hcb | gnu_srs1: touching the rest of the stuff without understanding is, erhm, not a good idea at best | 23:51 |
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