| bb|hcb | FYI about installing Devuan on a new hardware - none of the Devuan ISOs worked. I managed to install bullseye and manually converted it to chimaera. As a side effect I eneded with usrmerged chimaera system, didn't see anything broken yet | 00:27 |
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| Xenguy | .oO( Uh boy ) | 00:29 |
| fsmithred | bb|hcb, you tried both installer isos and live isos? | 00:30 |
| bb|hcb | My concern is that this would be a show-stopper for users - and most of the new systems will come with EFI only BIOS :( | 00:30 |
| fsmithred | I uploaded new destkop-live isos today because the first betas did not boot on uefi | 00:31 |
| fsmithred | beta2 does | 00:31 |
| bb|hcb | fsmithred: Yep, I tried all beowulf/chimaera isos | 00:31 |
| fsmithred | today. 6-8 hours ago, I guess | 00:31 |
| * golinux is about ready to unplug. Dealing with this s*** is not living. | 00:32 | |
| gnu_srs1 | bb|hcb: Thanks for test-building and installing eudev. I think I will leave compat-version on 12 for now. | 00:32 |
| gnu_srs1 | (Did not see that warning in my beowulf system. Which version of lintian do you use, I have 2.15.0?) | 00:32 |
| Xenguy | golinux, Unplug from what, living? | 00:33 |
| bb|hcb | Will try that on monday, I see only desktop-live with beta2, and that is too big for the small connection here | 00:33 |
| fsmithred | ouch | 00:33 |
| bb|hcb | far in the mountains writing the usb is times faster ;) back in the city it gets reverse | 00:35 |
| bb|hcb | gnu_srs1: install devuan-lintian-profile; then do "lintian --color always -E -I --pedantic --no-tag-display-limit" to see all... | 00:37 |
| gnu_srs1 | bb|hcb: In my opinion Devuan should default to a non-merged-/usr system to really oppose those systemd zealots :D | 00:38 |
| bb|hcb | the most concerning message is: I: eudev-udeb udeb: hardening-no-fortify-functions lib/udev/mtd_probe | 00:38 |
| bb|hcb | this most probably means that build flags are overritten or not properly passed | 00:38 |
| gnu_srs1 | bb|hcb: I've tried to override that warning without succeeding yet. Any ideas? | 00:39 |
| bb|hcb | it is better to get that fixed; i will look into that | 00:40 |
| golinux | Xenguy: The digital world | 00:42 |
| golinux | We have already always defaulted to a non-merged /usr | 00:44 |
| bb|hcb | usrmerge is not a bad thing by itself (e.g. for a new embedded system or for some custom containers that share stuff), but for a distro with history it is pointless, because if done fully (incl. removing the /lib, /bin, ... links) that will break all the scripts out there and if not done fully I see no point in starting that; IMHO that is a political game just to show-off how stuff can be | 00:45 |
| bb|hcb | forced on others... :( | 00:45 |
| golinux | Exactly. | 00:46 |
| bb|hcb | gnu_srs1: gcc -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I. -I../../../src/mtd_probe -I../.. -I ../../../src/shared -Wdate-time -D_FORTIFY_SOURCE=2 -g -O2 -ffile-prefix-map=/build/eudev-3.2.9=. -fstack-protector-strong -Wformat -Werror=format-security -c -o mtd_probe.o ../../../src/mtd_probe/mtd_probe.c | 00:59 |
| bb|hcb | CPPFLAGS are unused here | 00:59 |
| bb|hcb | that is an upstream Makefile problem, needs a patch | 01:00 |
| * bb|hcb is wrong above | 01:01 | |
| bb|hcb | the build is correct; this is one of the rare cases where the binary is simple enough for the hardening detection to fail; the warning is safe to ignore | 01:02 |
| fsmithred | Aug 30 amd64 netinstall iso boots on uefi here. bb|hcb what is your hardware? | 01:16 |
| bb|hcb | fsmithred: DMI: HUAWEI MACHC-WAX9/MACHC-WAX9-PCB, BIOS 1.12 06/28/2020 | 01:22 |
| fsmithred | bb|hcb, what happens when you try to boot? How far does it get? | 01:24 |
| bb|hcb | with some isos the bios does not show the usb as a bootable device at all (beowulf); with chimaera it sees it as a boot device but bios pops a dialog with boot failed text and ok button; after ok it says boot failed with ok button and reboots | 01:25 |
| fsmithred | you used dd or cat to image a usb? | 01:26 |
| fsmithred | or some other method? | 01:26 |
| bb|hcb | dd if=xxx of=/dev/sdx status=progress ; sync ; sync ; eject /dev/sdx | 01:26 |
| fsmithred | yeah, ok | 01:27 |
| fsmithred | is secure boot enabled? | 01:27 |
| bb|hcb | and wipefs -a --force /dev/sdx1; wipefs -a --force /dev/sdx before that | 01:27 |
| bb|hcb | normally secure boot is enabled, i have been trying to disable it, but it automagically comes back enabled. currently dmesg says: secureboot: Secure boot could not be determined (mode 0) | 01:28 |
| fsmithred | that might be the issue. I'm not sure if anyone has done a secure-boot install successfully. | 01:29 |
| bb|hcb | now i have rebooted in bios and it stays disabled | 01:29 |
| bb|hcb | debian 11 iso boots fine both ways | 01:30 |
| fsmithred | I'm not sure if devuan works with secure boot. The one time I tried it, it failed. | 01:30 |
| bb|hcb | i have also cleared and disabled tpm before disabling secure boot | 01:30 |
| bb|hcb | me too - on all my machines legacy boot is there and i use that :) | 01:31 |
| fsmithred | well, I know it works with uefi is secure boot is disabled | 01:31 |
| fsmithred | is/if | 01:31 |
| bb|hcb | it wouldn't hurt to try booting the beta2 iso, but can't do that now | 01:32 |
| bb|hcb | btw. during boot grub complains: error: no such device: some-uuid; error: no server is specified (twice); then boots | 01:37 |
| fsmithred | weird. | 01:37 |
| fsmithred | ok, thanks in advance if you do get a chance to try the beta2 desktop-live | 01:37 |
| bb|hcb | true, efi is wierd | 01:37 |
| fsmithred | and they're all different | 01:38 |
| fsmithred | I need food. bbl. | 01:38 |
| gnu_srs1 | bb|hcb: Ok to issue a build for eudev? | 11:16 |
| bb|hcb | gnu_srs1: all the things I have mentioned were cosmetic... maybe test it on a desktop first? | 13:27 |
| bb|hcb | gnu_srs1: just tested it on mine, it boots and no problem is observed. | 13:33 |
| gnu_srs1 | Same here, installed and rebooted. No problem :) | 13:34 |
| bb|hcb | luck loves the brave | 13:40 |
| bb|hcb | i believe its OK to build for ceres, after some more testing, push that to chimaera? | 13:41 |
| bb|hcb | fsmithred: beta2 live iso works :) | 21:59 |
| fsmithred | :) Thanks for testing | 22:00 |
| bb|hcb | fsmithred: n.p. you can ping me, when there are new ISOs to check - this is the most picky hw I have seen so far | 22:06 |
| fsmithred | I haven't had any luck making a uefi-compatible minimal-live iso. | 22:06 |
| fsmithred | and there hasn't been one in the past, so there probably won't be one again. | 22:07 |
| bb|hcb | I know almost everything about the legacy boot process, but none for uefi/secure boot :( | 22:13 |
| bb|hcb | Can only help with testing | 22:14 |
| gnu_srs1 | bb|hcb: Now built for unstable (Ceres). I assume it will automatically propagate to testing (Chimaera) in two days due to the urgency=high flag? | 23:38 |
| bb|hcb | AFAIK it will not, because chimaera should be frozen before the release; I may be wrong and it may have not yet been frozen (all this happens in Devuan DAK). Currently amprolla is tracking Debian bullseye, so chimaera is merged from Debian/bullseye and Devuan/testing - in other words Debian testing packages do not come in chimaera. | 23:52 |
| bb|hcb | Anyways, because eudev is quite an essential package we shall give the new build more testing - breaking chimaera would be unpleasant | 23:54 |
| bb|hcb | I believe it will be best to discuss this with LeePen | 23:59 |
| fsmithred | yeah, automatic migration to chimaera is turned off. | 23:59 |
| fsmithred | there are a couple of things that need to be moved manually | 23:59 |
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