mason | golinux: The advice is to not skip major releases, upgrading from older releases. | 01:39 |
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golinux | mason: Not understanding what you're saying. | 01:41 |
mason | re: 16:03 <+golinux> Is migration from Jessie and Stretch to Chimaera even possible? | 01:41 |
golinux | Well then that probably needs a bit of a rewrite. Want to take a stab at it? | 01:42 |
mason | Sure, I'll look to scrollback to get more context. | 01:42 |
golinux | Wouldn't it just be easier to do a new installation to move off of jessie? | 01:43 |
mason | I can look at the desktop-live images too if we want. Easy enough to do that in a VM. | 01:43 |
golinux | That was the only comment on that subject. | 01:43 |
mason | Depends. Debian upgrades have always been reliable enough for it to be an easy choice. | 01:43 |
mason | I'll dig through today's log in here and parse out things to do. | 01:44 |
mason | Have to go do some soldering I've been putting off, but I'll be back. | 01:45 |
golinux | Thanks | 01:46 |
rrq | ouch those images are all full screenshots :( .. very large | 01:53 |
rrq | the live-gui doc is in place and updated but with the old images | 01:54 |
golinux | rrq: Then 3 of them need to be switched out. I will email them to you. | 03:13 |
golinux | Can't find them | 03:21 |
golinux | How big ar the images? | 03:27 |
golinux | are | 03:27 |
golinux | The beowulf ones are 1032x821 pixels | 03:28 |
golinux | They are resized - 1,032px � 821px (scaled to 820px � 652px) | 03:31 |
rrq | 35 images at 1032x821 = 75K-185K each 3.9M total | 03:32 |
golinux | So what's the problem exactly? | 03:33 |
rrq | many and large | 03:34 |
golinux | It has always been thus. | 03:34 |
rrq | but that's ok ... need to be refreshed though | 03:34 |
rrq | being full screenshots means all need changing (for the background) | 03:35 |
golinux | Not following. | 03:35 |
rrq | you are relaxing :) | 03:36 |
rrq | should be | 03:36 |
onefang | Can't just crop them to the relevant windows? | 03:37 |
golinux | Not until this cluster*** is completed. | 03:37 |
golinux | (onefang is obviously artistically impaired) | 03:38 |
golinux | They could be manually resized. Any volunteers? | 03:39 |
mason | Do we need new images or resized existing images? | 04:41 |
mason | Soldering was an abysmal failure. I lack both the eyesight and the skill to do it. | 04:42 |
golinux | iiuc rrq created the images but was complaining about the 5mb (which is nothing in graphics terms) | 04:43 |
mason | I can scale them. Where are they at present? | 04:44 |
mason | rrq: ? | 04:44 |
golinux | The current images are auto-resized - 1,032px � 821px (scaled to 820px � 652px) | 04:44 |
golinux | Yes, rrq. | 04:44 |
mason | No, I was asking wher e they live at hte moment. | 04:45 |
golinux | Have no idea where they are | 04:45 |
golinux | On his computer, I imagine. | 04:45 |
mason | https://beta.devuan.org/os/documentation/install-guides/beowulf/live-gui seems possible | 04:45 |
mason | oh, beowulf | 04:45 |
golinux | He did not offer to post them or send them to me or I might have pulled my final all-nighter for the cayse. | 04:46 |
mason | Oh, "Install Chimaera (with screenshots)" still points to Beowulf. | 04:46 |
golinux | Exactly. | 04:46 |
mason | https://beta.devuan.org/os/install -> "Install Chimaera (with screenshots)" points to Chimaera for the first three but Beowulf for the last one. | 04:47 |
golinux | The text is the same but the images are not only different theme but 2 are different from beowulf. | 04:47 |
mason | kk, do we have an ISO I should boot to grab them? Last I saw was I think beta or RC. Looking. | 04:47 |
golinux | They have been removed from files.d.o | 04:49 |
golinux | in preparation for the release | 04:49 |
rrq | I've set up chimaera/live-gui.html and installed a copy of all the beowilf images under chimaera/img/live-gui for that | 04:49 |
mason | Do we have one I can access? I've got devuan_chimaera_4.0.beta2_2021-09-04_amd64_desktop-live.iso here if that's sufficient. | 04:49 |
mason | ah, kk | 04:49 |
golinux | I think the fsr have a copy in his workspace | 04:49 |
golinux | have > has | 04:50 |
golinux | You can probably find that faster than me | 04:50 |
rrq | we are waiting for the new iso; not sure if there are new dialogs | 04:50 |
rrq | the beta2 iso would probably work for most f the dialogs | 04:50 |
golinux | There is not change in the text afaik | 04:51 |
mason | Hrm. I'll grab equivalent images from the beta. | 04:51 |
rrq | I have no idea about the source(s) for the iso building | 04:51 |
golinux | fsr will do the isos tomorrow | 04:51 |
mason | I want to have something based on the Debian tooling someday, their standard+firmware text-based live image. | 04:51 |
rrq | the beowulf images are all wrong background | 04:52 |
mason | Does he need the images for the ISOs or will he spin some up so we can grab images, and then spin up final ones? | 04:52 |
golinux | And 2 wrong text om the images for chimaera | 04:52 |
golinux | No. We need them for the website | 04:53 |
mason | The colours on the beta are the same as Beowulf. | 04:53 |
golinux | He has removed the install instructions from the desktoip because they aren't done yet. | 04:53 |
mason | I can plan on waiting for new ISOs unless there's something I can do sooner. | 04:54 |
golinux | No the instructions are the same but chimaera colors. | 04:54 |
mason | Right, but the colours seem to be wrong on the beta. Still red. | 04:55 |
mason | Chimaera's blue, isn't it? | 04:55 |
rrq | again: I made a chimaera/live-gui including images by copying the beowulf one ... that means all its images are wrong background | 04:56 |
rrq | live-gui consists of an html page and 35 images | 04:56 |
rrq | the html page is now probably ok | 04:57 |
mason | rrq: I meant in the actual ISO, but I wonder if I booted the wrong one now. | 04:57 |
rrq | all the images m ust be replaced | 04:57 |
mason | Yes. | 04:57 |
mason | Yeah, I got the wrong ISO. Trying again. | 04:57 |
rrq | I don't know how the ISO looks but yes I would have thought it would be the chimaera background | 04:57 |
rrq | biab | 04:57 |
mason | I got the wrong one. Booting a new one. | 04:58 |
mason | This one looks properly blue. | 04:58 |
golinux | What is the name of the iso | 04:58 |
mason | devuan_chimaera_4.0.beta2_2021-09-04_amd64_desktop-live.iso | 04:59 |
mason | this one seems correct | 04:59 |
mason | I assume we'll want to trim off the qemu bits | 04:59 |
mason | I'll start generating images | 04:59 |
golinux | That one should work. | 04:59 |
mason | It looks right. Gathering images now. | 05:00 |
mason | Oh, one each for UEFI and BIOS? Checking ahead. | 05:00 |
golinux | You can leave the qemu fame | 05:00 |
mason | ok | 05:01 |
golinux | Do whichever one is in the beowulf guide https://beta.devuan.org/os/documentation/install-guides/beowulf/live-gui | 05:01 |
mason | Looks like both. | 05:02 |
golinux | All the images will have to be renamed to match the one's in the beowulf guide so they can just be dropped in to replace. | 05:03 |
mason | Already doing that. | 05:03 |
golinux | Wow! Your day to be a hero!! | 05:03 |
mason | That was earlier. | 05:03 |
mason | Going to just spin up two, one in UEFI in case the images bounce back and forth. | 05:04 |
golinux | I going afk for a sec or two | 05:06 |
golinux | If you put them somewhere I can dl and have a look | 05:07 |
golinux | brb | 05:07 |
mason | ARGH, the beta at least kind of fails. I click "help" and it pops up the help window in the corner and then opens up a couple new windows atop it | 05:10 |
mason | I hope the release ISO doesn't do that. | 05:10 |
mason | sizing is off too - things don't fit the window at default sizing | 05:13 |
rrq | yeah apparently fsmithred used a display size of 1032x821 | 05:20 |
golinux | What ever I pasted above | 05:21 |
rrq | while the html document scales that down 80% ... or to 820x652 (not sure if its relative scaling or fix size with preserved aspect) | 05:23 |
rrq | neither of that is "default qemu display size" | 05:23 |
rrq | so fun is to be had :) | 05:24 |
mason | I'm not a fan of this install tool. | 05:24 |
mason | We appear not to recommend swap. | 05:26 |
mason | Hrm, and this ... doesn't take me to a bootloader installation screen. | 05:27 |
mason | Any idea how we're supposed to get to this screen? https://beta.devuan.org/os/documentation/install-guides/beowulf/img/live-gui/dl05.1.png | 05:28 |
golinux | Nope. | 05:29 |
mason | It skips right to the installation partition selection. There's no option for a bootloader in there. | 05:29 |
plasma41 | Two hours later than I meant to be back. Today has been hectic. | 05:29 |
mason | I guess I'll let it do its thing and see if it asks later or something. | 05:29 |
golinux | iirc the bootloader thing comes at the end | 05:29 |
mason | kk, that'll require re-ordering of that web page then | 05:30 |
golinux | No the order stays the same as per fsr | 05:30 |
mason | It'll confuse people when they look for the missing bootloader screen, I guess. | 05:31 |
golinux | Your unfamiliarity with the tool probably makes you not the best person to take the screenies. | 05:31 |
mason | golinux: Are you fucking serious? | 05:32 |
mason | golinux: The tool is changed or broken. There's no unfamiliarity here that matters. Holy shit. | 05:32 |
golinux | And I just realized that unless you have the full chimaera theme installed, the qemu title bar might not be the chimaera colorbe | 05:33 |
mason | well, twelve in and I'm stopping here - you can find someone more familiar with this that can find the elusive GRUB selection screen that shows up in the Beowulf version | 05:33 |
* rrq sits back an enjoys the sunshine .. no mint leaves, so no mojito today | 05:33 | |
golinux | strike "be" typo. | 05:33 |
golinux | I am not trying to insult you, mason. | 05:34 |
mason | The colours are correct on the beta. | 05:34 |
golinux | What about the title bar? | 05:34 |
mason | golinux: Well, you've managed it without trying then. | 05:34 |
mason | There is no bootloader option available in gparted, and the installer skips right by it in BIOS mode, which is an error. It doesn't skip it in UEFI mode, but the screenshot is of BIOS mode selection. | 05:35 |
golinux | I just know that I putting the images into the live guide confuses me into paralysis. | 05:35 |
mason | So there's no equivalent screenshot to be had. I'm getting gutters installed tomorrow and need to be up early for that, so I'm going to hit the sack. Maybe the release ISO won't skip the bootloader step. | 05:36 |
golinux | I can only speak from my novice skills. | 05:36 |
golinux | I have installed live isos many times and never had a problem | 05:36 |
golinux | mason: https://beta.devuan.org/os/documentation/install-guides/beowulf/img/live-gui/dl20.png | 05:38 |
golinux | 20) Bootloader location: In most cases GRUB should be installed to the first disk from which the system will boot. In this case there is only one disk, indicated by /dev/sda so GRUB should be installed there. | 05:38 |
rrq | note that https://beta.devuan.org/os/documentation/install-guides/chimaera/live-gui.html exists | 05:39 |
golinux | I said it was at the end. | 05:39 |
golinux | rrq: I sent you the 2 replacement images that I edited for chimaera but seems you didn't switch them out. | 05:41 |
rrq | there is no need to change wrong pngs for wrong pngs is there? | 05:41 |
rrq | the background is wrong | 05:41 |
rrq | that 05.1.png should come up (in some cases) when gparted is exited, I think | 05:43 |
golinux | I thought you just suggested keeping the beowulf colors for the chimaera guide. | 05:43 |
golinux | If that is what is decided, please switch out the 2 imahes. | 05:44 |
rrq | no if I said that I said wrong; | 05:44 |
golinux | That what I read maybe not what you said. fsr suggested that at one point, | 05:44 |
golinux | So the idea has been rumbing around in my head for weeks. | 05:45 |
rrq | and afaiui the beta2 iso does have chimaera background | 05:45 |
golinux | Yes. | 05:46 |
golinux | That is my understanding also. | 05:46 |
golinux | It had the correct colors in the alpha that I have booted locally | 05:47 |
golinux | and since fsr said the text is the same except for those two screens . . . | 05:47 |
rrq | mason: perhaps do screenshots that you find; we can rearrange later | 05:48 |
golinux | There is no rearranging to be done in the guide. Perhaps the images. As I said . It confuses the heck out of me, | 05:51 |
golinux | Let's see what happens with fsr tomorrow . . . | 05:57 |
golinux | I am so finished for the night . . . | 05:57 |
golinux | 9.) Here's another one for the list that I just remembered. IIUC the "Migrate from Debian Bullseye to Chimaera" doesn't work and needs to be replaced with rrq's and tito's migration scripts. Each might benefit from a short description. | 07:01 |
LeePen | Chimaera release in progress. | 13:50 |
LeePen | Dak done. | 13:50 |
sadoon_albader[m | Awesome news! | 13:51 |
mason | rrq: Yar, I'll grab all the screenshots possible. I'm ⅓ of the way done. Doing parallel installs so I get both legacy and UEFI. So far there's only the one missing sequence, which likely means the install won't actually work without manual intervention, but ... reading scrollback in case there's a detail I missed. | 14:19 |
rrq | oh, no need; all done except 19 and 20 which I couldn't make happen | 14:20 |
mason | rrq: Did the bootloader come up after gparted in legacy mode for you? I only got that sequence in UEFI. | 14:21 |
mason | Or did you use a different ISO? | 14:22 |
rrq | hmm in some constallations, yes,... dependent on initial disk state and I don't know what :) only 18.1 seemd to go wrong, then 19 and 20 never happening | 14:24 |
mason | rrq: Hrm. In this case, it was a fresh (random or zeroed, unsure) disk partitioned as msdos (as legacy). | 14:24 |
mason | virtio for disks in both cases, so maybe it breaks on that - I noticed the screenshots used SCSI (presumably SATA) but I didn't think that mattered a ton. | 14:25 |
mason | Hm, maybe it has sd hardcoded, and it'll probably never see NVME without UEFI. | 14:25 |
rrq | I don;t rememebr exactly but I think i386 bios install was more aligned to the doc flow | 14:26 |
LeePen | Release run of amprolla merge has finished. | 14:30 |
LeePen | A quick scan of the symlinks and Release files on pkgmaster looks OK. | 14:31 |
mason | rrq: i386 vs amd64, or i386 meaning not-UEFI? Seemed like it was a somewhat sporadic mix from what I could see, without equivalences from both sides in many cases. | 14:32 |
mason | Might be worth having two install guides, one legacy and one UEFI, each going start to finish without mixing. | 14:32 |
mason | They'd be mostly the same. Might even share text, with just the images varying. | 14:32 |
LeePen | Britney updated. | 14:35 |
LeePen | The torrent and magnet links are done on beta.devuan.org. | 16:04 |
LeePen | Do any of the www team want to check beta.d.o once more before it is published? | 16:05 |
fsmithred | LeePen, the torrent and magnet link will need to be made again when the live isos are finished. | 16:18 |
LeePen | OK. mw | 16:19 |
LeePen | OR nw. | 16:19 |
fsmithred | thanks. | 16:19 |
mason | If we could make a noise here when the torrent starts I'll add it leave the throttle open. | 16:21 |
mason | s/it leave/it and leave/ | 16:21 |
UsL | oh, yeah, I can throughput 11~12 MB/s as well and have it running indefinitely. | 16:29 |
LeePen | New www published. | 16:56 |
mason | LeePen: kk, I'll start emailing | 16:56 |
bgstack15 | Congrats, Devuan team! I'm excited about the latest release. I live on the rolling release, so hopefully it can catch back up with Debian Sid now. | 20:04 |
gnu_srs1 | Congrats from me too :) Good work! | 20:22 |
bb|hcb | I am running a seed on my mirror, please advise which torrents to include | 20:44 |
amesser | Good work! | 20:51 |
gast0n | Congrats!! :-) | 20:55 |
* ukine golf claps *good job good job* :] | 22:44 | |
ukine | sorry, i was just reminded of PGA Tour on a mac in my youth. in all seriousness, you all continue to amaze to no end :] | 22:52 |
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