libera/#devuan-dev/ Thursday, 2021-10-14

masongolinux: The advice is to not skip major releases, upgrading from older releases.01:39
golinuxmason: Not understanding what you're saying.01:41
masonre: 16:03 <+golinux> Is migration from Jessie and Stretch to Chimaera even possible?01:41
golinuxWell then that probably needs a bit of a rewrite.  Want to take a stab at it?01:42
masonSure, I'll look to scrollback to get more context.01:42
golinuxWouldn't it just be easier to do a new installation to move off of jessie?01:43
masonI can look at the desktop-live images too if we want. Easy enough to do that in a VM.01:43
golinuxThat was the only comment on that subject.01:43
masonDepends. Debian upgrades have always been reliable enough for it to be an easy choice.01:43
masonI'll dig through today's log in here and parse out things to do.01:44
masonHave to go do some soldering I've been putting off, but I'll be back.01:45
golinuxThanks01:46
rrqouch those images are all full screenshots :( .. very large01:53
rrqthe live-gui doc is in place and updated but with the old images01:54
golinuxrrq: Then 3 of them need to be switched out.  I will email them to you.03:13
golinuxCan't find them03:21
golinuxHow big ar the images?03:27
golinuxare03:27
golinuxThe beowulf ones are  1032x821 pixels03:28
golinuxThey are resized - 1,032px � 821px (scaled to 820px � 652px)03:31
rrq35 images at 1032x821 = 75K-185K each 3.9M total03:32
golinuxSo what's the problem exactly?03:33
rrqmany and large03:34
golinuxIt has always been thus.03:34
rrqbut that's ok ... need to be refreshed though03:34
rrqbeing full screenshots means all need changing (for the background)03:35
golinuxNot following.03:35
rrqyou are relaxing :)03:36
rrqshould be03:36
onefangCan't just crop them to the relevant windows?03:37
golinuxNot until this cluster*** is completed.03:37
golinux(onefang is obviously artistically impaired)03:38
golinuxThey could be manually resized.  Any volunteers?03:39
masonDo we need new images or resized existing images?04:41
masonSoldering was an abysmal failure. I lack both the eyesight and the skill to do it.04:42
golinuxiiuc rrq created the images but was complaining about the 5mb (which is nothing in graphics terms)04:43
masonI can scale them. Where are they at present?04:44
masonrrq: ?04:44
golinuxThe current images are auto-resized - 1,032px � 821px (scaled to 820px � 652px)04:44
golinuxYes, rrq.04:44
masonNo, I was asking wher e they live at hte moment.04:45
golinuxHave no idea where they are04:45
golinuxOn his computer, I imagine.04:45
masonhttps://beta.devuan.org/os/documentation/install-guides/beowulf/live-gui seems possible04:45
masonoh, beowulf04:45
golinuxHe did not offer to post them or send them to me or I might have pulled my final all-nighter for the cayse.04:46
masonOh, "Install Chimaera (with screenshots)" still points to Beowulf.04:46
golinuxExactly.04:46
masonhttps://beta.devuan.org/os/install -> "Install Chimaera (with screenshots)" points to Chimaera for the first three but Beowulf for the last one.04:47
golinuxThe text is the same but the images are not only different theme but 2 are different from beowulf.04:47
masonkk, do we have an ISO I should boot to grab them? Last I saw was I think beta or RC. Looking.04:47
golinuxThey have been removed from files.d.o04:49
golinuxin preparation for the release04:49
rrqI've set up chimaera/live-gui.html and installed a copy of all the beowilf images under chimaera/img/live-gui for that04:49
masonDo we have one I can access? I've got devuan_chimaera_4.0.beta2_2021-09-04_amd64_desktop-live.iso here if that's sufficient.04:49
masonah, kk04:49
golinuxI think the fsr have a copy in his workspace04:49
golinuxhave > has04:50
golinuxYou can probably find that faster than me04:50
rrqwe are waiting for the new iso; not sure if there are new dialogs04:50
rrqthe beta2 iso would probably work for most f the dialogs04:50
golinuxThere is not change in the text afaik04:51
masonHrm. I'll grab equivalent images from the beta.04:51
rrqI have no idea about the source(s) for the iso building04:51
golinuxfsr will do the isos tomorrow04:51
masonI want to have something based on the Debian tooling someday, their standard+firmware text-based live image.04:51
rrqthe beowulf images are all wrong background04:52
masonDoes he need the images for the ISOs or will he spin some up so we can grab images, and then spin up final ones?04:52
golinuxAnd 2 wrong text om the images for chimaera04:52
golinuxNo.  We need them for the website04:53
masonThe colours on the beta are the same as Beowulf.04:53
golinuxHe has removed the install instructions from the desktoip because they aren't done yet.04:53
masonI can plan on waiting for new ISOs unless there's something I can do sooner.04:54
golinuxNo the instructions are the same but chimaera colors.04:54
masonRight, but the colours seem to be wrong on the beta. Still red.04:55
masonChimaera's blue, isn't it?04:55
rrqagain: I made a chimaera/live-gui including images by copying the beowulf one ... that means all its images are wrong background04:56
rrqlive-gui consists of an html page and 35 images04:56
rrqthe html page is now probably ok04:57
masonrrq: I meant in the actual ISO, but I wonder if I booted the wrong one now.04:57
rrqall the images m ust be replaced04:57
masonYes.04:57
masonYeah, I got the wrong ISO. Trying again.04:57
rrqI don't know how the ISO looks but yes I would have thought it would be the chimaera background04:57
rrqbiab04:57
masonI got the wrong one. Booting a new one.04:58
masonThis one looks properly blue.04:58
golinuxWhat is the name of the iso04:58
masondevuan_chimaera_4.0.beta2_2021-09-04_amd64_desktop-live.iso04:59
masonthis one seems correct04:59
masonI assume we'll want to trim off the qemu bits04:59
masonI'll start generating images04:59
golinuxThat one should work.04:59
masonIt looks right. Gathering images now.05:00
masonOh, one each for UEFI and BIOS? Checking ahead.05:00
golinuxYou can leave the qemu fame05:00
masonok05:01
golinuxDo whichever one is in the beowulf guide https://beta.devuan.org/os/documentation/install-guides/beowulf/live-gui05:01
masonLooks like both.05:02
golinuxAll the images will have to be renamed to match the one's in the beowulf guide so they can just be dropped in to replace.05:03
masonAlready doing that.05:03
golinuxWow!  Your day to be a hero!!05:03
masonThat was earlier.05:03
masonGoing to just spin up two, one in UEFI in case the images bounce back and forth.05:04
golinuxI going afk for a sec or two05:06
golinuxIf you put them somewhere I can dl and have a look05:07
golinuxbrb05:07
masonARGH, the beta at least kind of fails. I click "help" and it pops up the help window in the corner and then opens up a couple new windows atop it05:10
masonI hope the release ISO doesn't do that.05:10
masonsizing is off too - things don't fit the window at default sizing05:13
rrqyeah apparently fsmithred used a display size of 1032x82105:20
golinuxWhat ever I pasted above05:21
rrqwhile the html document scales that down 80% ... or to 820x652 (not sure if its relative scaling or fix size with preserved aspect)05:23
rrqneither of that is "default qemu display size"05:23
rrqso fun is to be had :)05:24
masonI'm not a fan of this install tool.05:24
masonWe appear not to recommend swap.05:26
masonHrm, and this ... doesn't take me to a bootloader installation screen.05:27
masonAny idea how we're supposed to get to this screen? https://beta.devuan.org/os/documentation/install-guides/beowulf/img/live-gui/dl05.1.png05:28
golinuxNope.05:29
masonIt skips right to the installation partition selection. There's no option for a bootloader in there.05:29
plasma41Two hours later than I meant to be back. Today has been hectic.05:29
masonI guess I'll let it do its thing and see if it asks later or something.05:29
golinuxiirc the bootloader thing comes at the end05:29
masonkk, that'll require re-ordering of that web page then05:30
golinuxNo the order stays the same as per fsr05:30
masonIt'll confuse people when they look for the missing bootloader screen, I guess.05:31
golinuxYour unfamiliarity with the tool probably makes you not the best person to take the screenies.05:31
masongolinux: Are you fucking serious?05:32
masongolinux: The tool is changed or broken. There's no unfamiliarity here that matters. Holy shit.05:32
golinuxAnd I just realized that unless you have the full chimaera theme installed, the qemu title bar might not be the chimaera colorbe05:33
masonwell, twelve in and I'm stopping here - you can find someone more familiar with this that can find the elusive GRUB selection screen that shows up in the Beowulf version05:33
* rrq sits back an enjoys the sunshine .. no mint leaves, so no mojito today05:33
golinuxstrike "be" typo.05:33
golinuxI am not trying to insult you, mason.05:34
masonThe colours are correct on the beta.05:34
golinuxWhat about the title bar?05:34
masongolinux: Well, you've managed it without trying then.05:34
masonThere is no bootloader option available in gparted, and the installer skips right by it in BIOS mode, which is an error. It doesn't skip it in UEFI mode, but the screenshot is of BIOS mode selection.05:35
golinuxI just know that I  putting the images into the live guide confuses me into paralysis.05:35
masonSo there's no equivalent screenshot to be had. I'm getting gutters installed tomorrow and need to be up early for that, so I'm going to hit the sack. Maybe the release ISO won't skip the bootloader step.05:36
golinuxI can only speak from my novice skills.05:36
golinuxI have installed live isos many times and never had a problem05:36
golinuxmason: https://beta.devuan.org/os/documentation/install-guides/beowulf/img/live-gui/dl20.png05:38
golinux20) Bootloader location: In most cases GRUB should be installed to the first disk from which the system will boot. In this case there is only one disk, indicated by /dev/sda so GRUB should be installed there.05:38
rrqnote that https://beta.devuan.org/os/documentation/install-guides/chimaera/live-gui.html exists05:39
golinuxI said it was at the end.05:39
golinuxrrq: I sent you the 2 replacement images that I edited for chimaera but seems you didn't switch them out.05:41
rrqthere is no need to change wrong pngs for wrong pngs is there?05:41
rrqthe background is wrong05:41
rrqthat 05.1.png should come up (in some cases) when gparted is exited, I think05:43
golinuxI thought you just suggested keeping the beowulf colors for the chimaera guide.05:43
golinuxIf that is what is decided, please switch out the 2 imahes.05:44
rrqno if I said that I said wrong;05:44
golinuxThat what I read maybe not what you said.  fsr suggested that at one point,05:44
golinuxSo the idea has been rumbing around in my head for weeks.05:45
rrqand afaiui the beta2 iso does have chimaera background05:45
golinuxYes.05:46
golinuxThat is my understanding also.05:46
golinuxIt had the correct colors in the alpha that I have booted locally05:47
golinuxand since fsr said the text is the same except for those two screens . . .05:47
rrqmason: perhaps do screenshots that you find; we can rearrange later05:48
golinuxThere is no rearranging to be done in the guide.  Perhaps the images.  As I said .  It confuses the heck out of me,05:51
golinuxLet's see what happens with fsr tomorrow . . .05:57
golinuxI am so finished for the night . . .05:57
golinux9.) Here's another one for the list that I just remembered.  IIUC the "Migrate from Debian Bullseye to Chimaera" doesn't work and needs to be replaced with rrq's  and tito's migration scripts.  Each might benefit from a short description.07:01
LeePenChimaera release in progress.13:50
LeePenDak done.13:50
sadoon_albader[mAwesome news!13:51
masonrrq: Yar, I'll grab all the screenshots possible. I'm ⅓ of the way done. Doing parallel installs so I get both legacy and UEFI. So far there's only the one missing sequence, which likely means the install won't actually work without manual intervention, but ... reading scrollback in case there's a detail I missed.14:19
rrqoh, no need; all done except 19 and 20 which I couldn't make happen14:20
masonrrq: Did the bootloader come up after gparted in legacy mode for you? I only got that sequence in UEFI.14:21
masonOr did you use a different ISO?14:22
rrqhmm in some constallations, yes,... dependent on initial disk state and I don't know what :) only 18.1 seemd to go wrong,  then 19 and 20 never happening14:24
masonrrq: Hrm. In this case, it was a fresh (random or zeroed, unsure) disk partitioned as msdos (as legacy).14:24
masonvirtio for disks in both cases, so maybe it breaks on that - I noticed the screenshots used SCSI (presumably SATA) but I didn't think that mattered a ton.14:25
masonHm, maybe it has sd hardcoded, and it'll probably never see NVME without UEFI.14:25
rrqI don;t rememebr exactly but I think i386 bios install was more aligned to the doc flow14:26
LeePenRelease run of amprolla merge has finished.14:30
LeePenA quick scan of the symlinks and Release files on pkgmaster looks OK.14:31
masonrrq: i386 vs amd64, or i386 meaning not-UEFI? Seemed like it was a somewhat sporadic mix from what I could see, without equivalences from both sides in many cases.14:32
masonMight be worth having two install guides, one legacy and one UEFI, each going start to finish without mixing.14:32
masonThey'd be mostly the same. Might even share text, with just the images varying.14:32
LeePenBritney updated.14:35
LeePenThe torrent and magnet links are done on beta.devuan.org.16:04
LeePenDo any of the www team want to check beta.d.o once more before it is published?16:05
fsmithredLeePen, the torrent and magnet link will need to be made again when the live isos are finished.16:18
LeePenOK. mw16:19
LeePenOR nw.16:19
fsmithredthanks.16:19
masonIf we could make a noise here when the torrent starts I'll add it leave the throttle open.16:21
masons/it leave/it and leave/16:21
UsLoh, yeah, I can throughput 11~12 MB/s as well and have it running indefinitely.16:29
LeePenNew www published.16:56
masonLeePen: kk, I'll start emailing16:56
bgstack15Congrats, Devuan team! I'm excited about the latest release. I live on the rolling release, so hopefully it can catch back up with Debian Sid now.20:04
gnu_srs1Congrats from me too :) Good work!20:22
bb|hcbI am running a seed on my mirror, please advise which torrents to include20:44
amesserGood work!20:51
gast0nCongrats!! :-)20:55
* ukine golf claps *good job good job* :]22:44
ukinesorry, i was just reminded of PGA Tour on a mac in my youth. in all seriousness, you all continue to amaze to no end :]22:52

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