libera/#devuan-dev/ Thursday, 2022-07-07

onefangPoettering has left Red Hat, and joined Microsoft, to keep working on systemd.  I actually laughed out loud.03:47
golinuxI suspect he's been working for MS all along as a trojan to windozie linux03:51
XenguyWho knows?  What an idiot, in any case04:40
bgstack15I hadn't gotten that far yet. He really went to M$?!04:42
XenguyApparently04:44
XenguyThere was a guy back in the day who was very central to the early GNOME project04:44
XenguyI don't actually recall his name anymore, but the same thing happened with him...04:45
XenguyA lot of linux folks kind of looked at him askance...04:45
XenguyAnd then he eventually got hired on at M$04:45
bgstack15Miguel de Icaza or similar?04:46
XenguyI think in both cases, the developers were secret (or not) admirers of Apple and M$...04:46
XenguyThat's the guy04:46
XenguyAnd had kind of tried to emulate those Apple/M$ ideas, but in the Linux space, with mixed reviews...04:47
XenguyBut where they ended up being employed, kind of showed who they really were in the end04:47
bgstack15That makes sense.04:47
bgstack15Maybe now in a big corp Poettering's ideas (good [if any] and bad) will get stopped by stupid corporate BS that stops all things from being built.04:48
XenguyTime will tell, he's a bit of a star apparently, and probably just received a raise04:49
onefanghttps://linux.slashdot.org/story/22/07/06/2348255/systemd-creator-lands-at-microsoft mentions some other people in the past whe did similar.06:42
bgstack15I need to promote systemctl-service-shim 0.0.2 into Chimaera. It sounds like based on https://git.devuan.org/devuan/documentation/src/branch/master/maintainers/PackagingGuide.md17:14
bgstack15that I need to push a new commit with d/gbp.conf has "debian-branch = suites/chimaera" in it, and then build it. Will that just automagically work?17:15
Xenguy(IIRC LeePen is AFK until the weekend, FWIW)17:27
bgstack15Thanks.17:28
bgstack15Which reminds me, today is the Devuan Meet at 20:30 UTC!17:31
bgstack15Pad is here: https://pad.dyne.org/code/#/2/code/edit/kGvkVBAQTz91auW4UxTOd2pI/17:31
bb|hcbbgstack15: yep, but version should not be 0.0.2-1, because that will break the upgrade path. I am not sure about Devuan's backport versioning, if we follow what Debian does, a 0.0.1~bpo11+1 will work23:19
bb|hcbtypo, 0.0.2~bpo11+123:20
bb|hcbAfter that builds, britney should be instructed manually to include it in chimaera23:21
jjakobdo you plan on creating the symlink in postinst? that would require a new release23:23
bgstack15Nope, it is done dynamically inside the script itself.23:27
jjakobthere is no /bin/systemctl and it's not created by the script23:27
bgstack15The reason is rather complicated, and deals with infinite recursion within certain other scripts outside my control that react differently if they're coming from a /usr/bin/systemctl or /bin/systemctl23:28
jjakobit's only deleted and recreated by the script if it already exists and if it's called as /bin/systemctl (which it can't, as that symlink doesn't exist when first installed)23:28
Unit193bgstack15: Did you see that with libxfce4ui 4.17, nocsd is no longer needed?23:29
bgstack15The exact contents of the package from Ceres should go in Chimaera.23:29
bgstack15Unit193: ah, no I hadn't seen that yet! Is 4.17 new-ish (within the past 2 months)?23:29
bgstack15I am still going to leave all my GTK3_NOCSD=1 and similar settings everywhere.23:29
jjakobbgstack15: I understand. that will fix part of the issue, not the entire issue23:30
Unit193bgstack15: libgtk-nocsd would still be needed,  libxfce4ui is just Xfce stuff.  4.17 is a dev release, you can tell by the version number, but it's also in Experimental.23:31

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