KatolaZ | (well, in the section of your wlan device, obviously) | 00:01 |
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fsmithred | _abc_, what file did refractainstaller leave in your home? (should be the error log) | 00:02 |
_abc_ | That's it. | 00:04 |
Juesto | why many configuration stuff missing | 00:04 |
Juesto | i don't get it | 00:04 |
_abc_ | Does that mean that it errored out or is that done anyway fsmithred | 00:04 |
KatolaZ | Juesto: ? | 00:05 |
Juesto | done, wlan0 was commented in interfaces | 00:06 |
KatolaZ | Juesto: did you configure and use wlan at install time? | 00:06 |
fsmithred | no, it always puts it there | 00:07 |
Juesto | KatolaZ: it's maemo leste vm image | 00:07 |
fsmithred | unless it crashes before the script is finished. Copying the log from /var/log to the user's home is the last thing it does. | 00:07 |
KatolaZ | Juesto: so how should it know that you want to use wlan? | 00:07 |
KatolaZ | :) | 00:07 |
Juesto | l | 00:08 |
Juesto | lol | 00:08 |
fsmithred | _abc_, if you have ideas about the installer, pm me so we don't disturb the others. I'm definitely interested in any problems that anyone has with it. | 00:09 |
Juesto | how do i start the system without being forced to wait for dhcp | 00:09 |
fsmithred | ctrl-c? | 00:09 |
_abc_ | fsmithred: okay. So, again, is it normal to have the script log in $HOME on success? I interrupted the process 2-3 times for reasons until I went to the end. | 00:10 |
Juesto | that isn't good it aborts the entire processing i think, fsmithred | 00:10 |
KatolaZ | no Juesto it doesn't | 00:10 |
fsmithred | yes, Juesto it stops it from trying to get an address and continues booting | 00:10 |
fsmithred | _abc_, yeah, the log should get copied there normally | 00:11 |
_abc_ | fsmithred: the most important points here and now, wrt refracta in ascii on devuan desktop live: a) make sure package grub2 is installed b) add some blurb page/screen on commands to install grub2 from the chrooted cli, I missed that twice until the coin dropped. | 00:11 |
fsmithred | that's the more difficult way to do it | 00:11 |
_abc_ | The warning is confusing, it should say "you need to issue commands in the cli to install grub2 else there will be no boot loader" | 00:12 |
fsmithred | if you use a devuan or refracta live iso... | 00:12 |
Juesto | fsmithred: but there's more stuff to execute after eth0 dhcp attempt | 00:12 |
fsmithred | you don['t need to issue commands | 00:12 |
_abc_ | fsmithred: desktop live is different? | 00:12 |
fsmithred | Juesto, I've done it many times - when the DHCPDISCOVER message keeps coming up, ctrl-c will stop it from trying to get an address, and the boot will continue | 00:12 |
_abc_ | fsmithred: anyway: I installed from a live system as above with persistence, i.e. there was a LOT more on it than on the iso image | 00:12 |
fsmithred | you can get the address later | 00:12 |
_abc_ | And it worked fine | 00:13 |
Juesto | fsmithred: openrc reports a sighup on it | 00:13 |
fsmithred | yeah, the installer uses rsync to copy the running system | 00:13 |
fsmithred | oh, I never tried it with openrc. sorry. | 00:13 |
Juesto | commenting the dhcp stuff did make boot faster | 00:13 |
_abc_ | fsmithred: It was a little over-enthusiastic, I kept some large backups on the persistence media and it tried to copy those in too. | 00:13 |
fsmithred | yes, that's what it would do | 00:14 |
fsmithred | you can edit the rsync excludes file for that | 00:14 |
fsmithred | hang on, my brain needs to sync | 00:15 |
fsmithred | about grub | 00:15 |
fsmithred | if you boot in uefi, the correct grub is already installed | 00:15 |
fsmithred | if you boot bios, the installer will recognize that and look for grub-pc deb | 00:16 |
fsmithred | in devuan desktop-live and refracta isos, the grub pc deb is in the root (/) | 00:16 |
fsmithred | and there will be a button that says 'Copy files' | 00:16 |
fsmithred | select that, and grub-pc will be installed. debconf will ask you where you want the bootloader (in the terminal) | 00:17 |
fsmithred | if the deb is not there, it will cause an error (fixed in next version) | 00:17 |
Juesto | apparently disabling the dhcp line invalidates the interface | 00:18 |
Juesto | ifup says unknown interface eth0 | 00:18 |
KatolaZ | Juesto: ifconfig eth0 up | 00:19 |
Juesto | KatolaZ: it goes down afterwards because it's not plugged | 00:21 |
Juesto | so | 00:21 |
Juesto | well there it goes | 00:21 |
Juesto | uninstalled firmware-misc-nonfree | 00:22 |
Juesto | great now | 00:23 |
Juesto | now it's not as annoying | 00:24 |
Juesto | I've ignored the dhcp line because it's not necessary because it's usually unplugged | 00:25 |
Juesto | and I've made the wifi go before ethernet | 00:25 |
KatolaZ | Juesto: you should have it "allow-hotplut eth0" maybe | 00:26 |
KatolaZ | ~allow-hotplug | 00:26 |
Juesto | hmm maybe | 00:26 |
fsmithred | or just use 'dhclient eth0' when you want to use it | 00:26 |
Juesto | yeah that too | 00:27 |
Juesto | using the hotplug one sounds better | 00:27 |
Juesto | along with ignoring dhcp | 00:27 |
Juesto | also, /etc/wpa_supplicant.conf is the default | 00:27 |
Juesto | wpa_supplicant itself says in the example | 00:28 |
KatolaZ | Juesto: not in Devuan/Debian | 00:28 |
Juesto | and it's the file it tries when not using parameters | 00:28 |
Juesto | Oh well | 00:28 |
KatolaZ | the default is in /etc/wpa_supplicant/wpa_supplicant.conf | 00:28 |
Juesto | what i should do? | 00:29 |
Juesto | but it conplains when the config file doesn't exist | 00:29 |
Juesto | which seems to be the case by default? | 00:30 |
KatolaZ | Juesto: how are you starting it? | 00:30 |
KatolaZ | if you included the wpa_conf parameter in /etc/network/interfaces, it will use the conf file you specified | 00:30 |
Juesto | and if not? | 00:30 |
Juesto | it's not used? | 00:31 |
KatolaZ | uh? | 00:31 |
KatolaZ | what is not used? | 00:31 |
Juesto | what happens if the config line is omitted | 00:31 |
Juesto | wpa_conf parameter | 00:31 |
KatolaZ | that wpa_supplicant is not run automatically when the interface comes up | 00:32 |
Juesto | weird | 00:38 |
Juesto | if the dhcp line is not in interfaces file or commented | 00:39 |
Juesto | ifup complains it's unknown | 00:39 |
Juesto | i don't need autoconfigure | 00:39 |
Juesto | and the Ethernet just connected fine without needing to run dhclient | 00:40 |
Juesto | ... | 00:41 |
Juesto | I'm undecided at how i should leave it | 00:56 |
DoNut | Using devuan ascii on a Pi3 bluetooth notworking. Boot raspbian and bluetooth works. What am I missing. | 01:07 |
Juesto | DoNut: firmware drivers | 01:17 |
Juesto | check packages | 01:17 |
DoNut | Used firmware from raspbian | 01:18 |
DoNut | Should dmesg show firmware load on the Pi. It does for a USB dongle on a AMD system. | 01:20 |
Juesto | what if you instead migrate your installed raspbian to devuan maybe instead? | 01:20 |
DoNut | Compiling linux on a Pi zero 16hrs. Cross compile on a amd system 12 mins. | 01:38 |
aitor | hi | 01:39 |
aitor | today i've been packaging linux-libre-4.6.103 for jessie | 01:42 |
Juesto | DoNut: check in lspci, etc | 01:43 |
gnarface | DoNut: i think the answer to both those issues comes down to kernel configuration, however i can't be certain raspbian | 01:45 |
gnarface | ... can't be certain raspbian's firmware will work with other kernel versions | 01:46 |
gnarface | it may even require an accompanying kernel patch | 01:46 |
gnarface | i'm not sure about that, but i think other people *have* got these working with Devuan | 01:46 |
DoNut | It's something simple I am overlooking, I am sure. | 01:47 |
DoNut | modules both builtin and modprobed are the same except one I'll try that. | 01:49 |
aitor | *4.9.103 | 01:50 |
DoNut | Right now I am doing a full upgrade of ascii to see if that changes something. | 01:52 |
aslan8649 | fsmithred, in answer to your question what mirror is being used. packages.devuan.org for all hosts listed in /etc/apt/sources.list | 02:07 |
aslan8649 | fsmithred, so from my point-of-view devuan is still not ready for primetime. definitely not even beta. perhaps alpha. | 02:08 |
fsmithred | aslan8649, if you're still having trouble upgrading vlc, change to pkgmaster.devuan.org and try again. I'd be interested to know if it makes a difference. | 02:08 |
fsmithred | pkgmaster updates more frequently | 02:08 |
aslan8649 | fsmithred, why should i change again. | 02:08 |
fsmithred | what did you change from? | 02:09 |
fsmithred | from auto.mirror to packagemaster? | 02:09 |
fsmithred | hello? | 02:10 |
fsmithred | aslan8649, what repo were you using before packagemaster? | 02:11 |
aslan8649 | fsmithred, last time you said to use packages.devuan.org instead of us.mirror.devuan.org | 02:12 |
fsmithred | unlikely | 02:12 |
aitor | fsmithred, are you awake? | 02:12 |
fsmithred | I would have said pkgmaster not packages | 02:12 |
fsmithred | very much awake | 02:12 |
Juesto | huh | 02:12 |
fsmithred | I dont think I've ever told anyone to use packages.devuan.org | 02:12 |
aslan8649 | fsmithred, so you do not remember what you have said in the past? | 02:12 |
aitor | 20:12 in boston | 02:13 |
aitor | time to bed | 02:13 |
aslan8649 | devuan is a failure | 02:13 |
fsmithred | anyway, auto.mirror, us.mirror and the like are mirroring packagemaster.devuan.org | 02:13 |
fsmithred | deb.devuan.org mirrors pkgmaster.devuan.org, which uses a newer version of... | 02:14 |
fsmithred | oh, I thought maybe he wanted to help. silly me. | 02:14 |
Juesto | well stuck waiting for eth0 | 03:10 |
Juesto | sigint is sent to openrc in that case when ^C is sent | 03:10 |
Juesto | i don't get it how to get the configuration right | 03:15 |
Juesto | is there a way to get openrc to give ttys while services are starting? | 04:16 |
Juesto | apparently it's not doing that until all services are started at least in the current runlevel | 04:17 |
gnarface | sorry, i'd help but i don't know openrc, Juesto | 04:23 |
Juesto | :/ | 04:26 |
Juesto | ugh | 04:26 |
aslan8649 | fsmithred, stitching to pgkmaster.devuan.org and then upgrading vlc produced a vlc with is completely and utterly awlful. | 05:13 |
aslan8649 | fsmithred, it is not usable. the interface is distorted and the playback is totally wrong in video settings | 05:14 |
fsmithred | you got 3.0? | 05:14 |
aslan8649 | ii vlc 3.0.2-0+deb9u1 amd64 multimedia player and streamer | 05:14 |
fsmithred | yup, that's the right one | 05:15 |
fsmithred | I haven't tried that version | 05:15 |
fsmithred | you want to hang around for a couple minutes while I do that? | 05:15 |
aslan8649 | fsmithred, you know better | 05:15 |
fsmithred | what do you mean? | 05:16 |
gnarface | i had a problem with it having something more minor in the UI glitched, and deleting the old ~/.config/vlc directory fixed it | 05:16 |
aslan8649 | fsmithred, you know what is broken and what is trash | 05:16 |
fsmithred | no, I don't know everything about every package | 05:16 |
aslan8649 | fsmithred, go for it upgrade vlc | 05:16 |
fsmithred | I stopped using vlc a few months ago on my jessie | 05:16 |
fsmithred | ok, gimme two minutes | 05:17 |
aslan8649 | fsmithred, you sure act like it. | 05:17 |
fsmithred | well, I say things that I know, when it's appropriate, and I don't talk much about the things I don't know | 05:17 |
aslan8649 | off to down grade to a usable vlc | 05:18 |
fsmithred | hang on | 05:18 |
fsmithred | so far, it's working fine. | 05:22 |
aslan8649 | http://wien.blauedonau.com/~terrylr/vlc-not-usable.png | 05:27 |
fsmithred | I'm looking at it in openbox. It looks normal. I'll try in xfce. | 05:29 |
fsmithred | looks normal in xfce, too. play with the settings or try what gnarface suggested | 05:33 |
aslan8649 | http://wien.blauedonau.com/~terrylr/vlc-usable.png | 05:39 |
aslan8649 | downgraded to ii vlc 2.2.7-1~deb9u1 amd64 multimedia player and streamer | 05:39 |
fsmithred | what theme are you using? | 05:41 |
fsmithred | or is it the side-panel that's bothering you? | 05:41 |
fsmithred | nm, I switched back and forth. Yeah, that's pretty bad. | 05:42 |
fsmithred | ok, I had to play with the settings a bit to get it to look like yours. It's not a theme problem. It's just that the new vlc is fugly. | 05:44 |
aslan8649 | fsmithred, "fugly"????? | 05:45 |
fsmithred | fucking ugly | 05:46 |
aslan8649 | fsmithred, why yes it it | 05:47 |
fsmithred | looks like they succumbed to the new ui fad | 05:47 |
fsmithred | the playskool look | 05:48 |
aslan8649 | fsmithred, how that was released into the wild is anyone's guess. | 05:48 |
Jjp137 | regarding vlc, found a related bug report here: https://trac.videolan.org/vlc/ticket/19955 | 05:48 |
fsmithred | bed time for me. good luck. | 05:50 |
aslan8649 | videolan broke it? why!?!?!?! | 05:52 |
aslan8649 | devuan is not worth the frustration. | 06:00 |
aslan8649 | a bunch of pre-schoolers have a play day. | 06:01 |
Xenguy | .oO( Someone please ban that idiot ) | 06:33 |
Hum | Hi! I get when doing apt-get update I get NO_PUBKEY BB23C00C61FC752C. How can I fix it? | 08:02 |
buZz | did you add some repo? | 08:14 |
buZz | did you update devuan-keyring ? | 08:14 |
buZz | i just checked, and i do have that key | 08:14 |
Juesto | Hum: import the devuan key | 08:31 |
aitor | good morning | 09:48 |
aitor | as i said yesterday, i'm building linux-libre-4.9.103 for devuan jessie: | 10:16 |
aitor | http://gnuinos.org/linux-libre-4.9.103/ | 10:16 |
aitor | need to reboot | 10:18 |
Hum | Juesto: the devuan-keyring 2017.10.03 is installed | 11:13 |
aitor | looking at the tutorial about the autotools in gnu.org i've found the following joke: | 11:30 |
aitor | A physicist, an engineer, and a computer scientist were discussing the nature of God... | 11:30 |
aitor | �Surely a Physicist -said the physicist-, because early in the Creation, God made Light; and you know, Maxwell's equations, the dual nature of electromagnetic waves, the relativistic | 11:31 |
aitor | consequences...� | 11:31 |
aitor | �An Engineer! -said the engineer-, because before making Light, God split the Chaos into Land and Water; it takes a hell of an engineer to handle that big amount of mud, and orderly separation of solids from liquids...� | 11:31 |
aitor | The computer scientist shouted: �And the Chaos, where do you think it was coming from, hmm?� | 11:31 |
aitor | from system? | 11:34 |
aitor | from systemd? | 11:34 |
Hum | I know it in german with god must be a ... since he made the humans like a ...: the construction engineer said: Who else would build a wastewater tube through a leisure park | 11:38 |
aitor | :) | 11:39 |
buZz | aitor: nice joke :) | 12:30 |
buZz | were you hunting for jokes in GNU documentation motivated by stallman's libc joke? :P | 12:30 |
aitor | http://www.gnu.org/software/autoconf/manual/autoconf.html#Introduction | 12:31 |
aitor | stallman belongs to the first group, he is phisicist | 12:32 |
aitor | i have had problems installing libpng in devuan jessie, i've packaged it again | 12:34 |
aitor | i want to build an image of gnuinos this week | 12:36 |
aitor | features: runit as init system, vdev as device manager, linux-libre-4.9.103, amprolla3... and build with the live-sdk | 12:37 |
aitor | *built | 12:40 |
aitor | physicist, i meant | 12:46 |
aitor | bbl | 12:46 |
msiism | i've done a few installs of the ascii rc during the last days and one problem that keeps coming up is automatic network device configuration after the installation. i have just installed ascii with only the standard system tools select in tasksel and got the following problem: | 16:05 |
msiism | when i boot up the system, i'll get the following message at some point: "[...] Configuring network interfaces...ifup: waiting for lock on /run/network/ifstate.eth0" | 16:06 |
msiism | then there's a pause of maybe a bit more than 30s and after that i get: "ifup: interface eth0 already configured." and "done" | 16:07 |
msiism | ok, i just used the "noapic" kernel parameter on boot. it seems to cure the problem. | 16:11 |
msiism | it does, indeed. | 16:12 |
trfl | assuming I install ascii-rc today, will it transition into the full final release of ascii through regular updates over time? | 16:31 |
trfl | or is there a chance I could end up with issues that would not have happened if I'd wait for the final ver | 16:32 |
Juesto | msiism: i got that when using allow-hotplug eth0 but not when using auto eth0 | 16:32 |
gnarface | trfl: anything is possible but that is not what most would consider a risk | 16:39 |
gnarface | Debian is designed to be continually upgraded, not re-installed | 16:40 |
trfl | sweet, I'll give ascii a try then. Thanks! | 16:40 |
gnarface | no problem. if the installer works for you there's nothing you stand to gain by reinstalling later. | 16:40 |
gnarface | there's almost nothing you can't reconfigure a system to do, post-install actually | 16:42 |
gnarface | maybe nothing at all, actually, now that multi-arch mostly works | 16:42 |
gnarface | you used to have to reinstall to go from 32-bit to 64-bit userspace | 16:43 |
gnarface | (you could kinda fudge it but you'd make a mess) | 16:44 |
msiism | Juesto: ok, i have allow-hotplug eth0 in my interfaces file. it works fine for me, if i boot with "noapic". (not doing that will often result in the machine stopping with hw-related errors during boot.) | 17:01 |
Juesto | oh huh | 17:01 |
msiism | Juesto: i'm not sure if sth is broken there. but the other distros i've installed on this machine lately didn't display the error. so, it's probably a standard debian kernel vs. some special hw requirement (or lacking feature) issue. | 17:03 |
msiism | but still, what's a bit annoying is that you don't get to see the usual messages during network device config on boot anymore. i suppose this has sth to do with how eudev does things. | 17:07 |
msiism | ok, i just replaced "allow-hotplug eth0" with "auto eth0" in my /etc/network/interfaces file. it now shows the network config messages as usual. | 17:17 |
msiism | ...now | 17:17 |
Juesto | hey | 19:00 |
Juesto | setnet.sh isn't very useful | 19:00 |
Juesto | how do i manually make my wifi connect to the network | 19:01 |
Juesto | i have it constantly scanning | 19:01 |
KatolaZ | Juesto: ? | 19:04 |
KatolaZ | what's the problem? | 19:05 |
Juesto | interface is up but no wifi associated | 19:05 |
Juesto | not even the saved one | 19:05 |
KatolaZ | Juesto: are they enabled? | 19:05 |
Juesto | wdym | 19:05 |
Juesto | yes i assume | 19:05 |
KatolaZ | Juesto: have you added a new network? | 19:05 |
Juesto | yes i have a network | 19:06 |
KatolaZ | which file is setnet using? | 19:06 |
KatolaZ | which config file? | 19:06 |
Juesto | it's using it's own file | 19:06 |
KatolaZ | the default is to *not* use /etc/wpa_supplicant/wpa_supplicant.conf | 19:06 |
Juesto | but it does affect wpa_supplicant correctly when used | 19:06 |
KatolaZ | Juesto: have you restarted wpa_supplicant from setnet interface? | 19:07 |
Juesto | why | 19:07 |
KatolaZ | Juesto: have you? | 19:07 |
KatolaZ | because if you had wpa_supplicant running already, that would not see changes made through setnet | 19:08 |
KatolaZ | (well, it depends on how you are using it, tbh) | 19:08 |
Juesto | yeah but it associates when requested | 19:08 |
Juesto | I'm using /etc/network/interfaces | 19:08 |
KatolaZ | and you have a wpa_conf in there? | 19:08 |
Juesto | how do i tell wpasupl to try connecting? | 19:09 |
Juesto | to a wifi remembered in config | 19:09 |
KatolaZ | Juesto: hold on | 19:09 |
KatolaZ | do you want to use setnet? | 19:09 |
Juesto | whatever works | 19:09 |
Juesto | i don't know whatever i want to use setnet | 19:09 |
KatolaZ | Juesto: have you ever used wpa_supplicant? | 19:10 |
Juesto | i could change the path in interfaces to use the setnet config | 19:10 |
Juesto | interacted, no | 19:10 |
KatolaZ | ok | 19:10 |
KatolaZ | then stop please :) | 19:10 |
Juesto | ... | 19:11 |
KatolaZ | do you have a running wpa_supplicant? | 19:11 |
Juesto | yes | 19:11 |
KatolaZ | and do you have a wpa_conf in /etc/network/interfaces? | 19:11 |
Juesto | via the mentioned config | 19:11 |
Juesto | :/ | 19:11 |
KatolaZ | which mentioned config? | 19:11 |
KatolaZ | Juesto: I am trying to help, but I am not in front of your terminal... | 19:12 |
Juesto | ... i just answered your question beforehand actually, KatolaZ | 19:12 |
KatolaZ | 19:13 < KatolaZ> and do you have a wpa_conf in /etc/network/interfaces? | 19:13 |
KatolaZ | ok Juesto | 19:15 |
KatolaZ | I'll summarise it here | 19:15 |
KatolaZ | if you want to use setnet, just comment wpa_cli in /etc/network/interfaces | 19:15 |
Juesto | KatolaZ: i said I'm using the interfaces file and wpasupl is running so that's a yes, if the wpa_conf wasn't there there wouldn't be a wpasupl running | 19:15 |
KatolaZ | no Juesto | 19:16 |
Juesto | yeah then i have no wpasupl running and everything fails | 19:16 |
KatolaZ | there could be a wpa_supplicant tun by you | 19:16 |
KatolaZ | manually | 19:16 |
KatolaZ | and I can't know that | 19:16 |
KatolaZ | :\ | 19:16 |
KatolaZ | anyway | 19:16 |
KatolaZ | if you want to use setnet you shouldn't use wpa_conf | 19:17 |
KatolaZ | in /etc/network/interfaces | 19:17 |
KatolaZ | setnet can restart wpa_supplicant with the correct config | 19:17 |
Juesto | setnet doesn't do anything unless used | 19:17 |
KatolaZ | well, no program does anything unless used... :| | 19:18 |
KatolaZ | Juesto: setnet is meant to simplify the creation of a working conf file for wpa_supplicant | 19:18 |
KatolaZ | and to run wpa_supplicant with it | 19:18 |
KatolaZ | it is not like wicd | 19:18 |
KatolaZ | or network-manager | 19:19 |
KatolaZ | it's a stateless tool | 19:19 |
KatolaZ | it does nothing, unless you tell it to do anything | 19:19 |
Juesto | :/ | 19:19 |
KatolaZ | Juesto: maybe you need wicd-curses instead | 19:20 |
Juesto | too much to install | 19:20 |
* KatolaZ shrugs | 19:21 | |
KatolaZ | wpa_supplicant is driven through wpa_cli | 19:22 |
KatolaZ | this is exactly what setnet does for you | 19:22 |
Juesto | KatolaZ: restarting the interface via setnet made it connect | 19:25 |
Juesto | i should put Ethernet after wifi :/ | 19:26 |
Juesto | because im doing ^c during boot at dhcp thing | 19:26 |
mchasard | hi | 20:14 |
NewGnuGuy | ping gnu_srs gnu_srs1 | 20:55 |
KatolaZ | NewGnuGuy: he is afk | 20:58 |
NewGnuGuy | KatolaZ: Know what timezone he's in? | 20:59 |
KatolaZ | NewGnuGuy: he is FK | 20:59 |
KatolaZ | AFK | 20:59 |
KatolaZ | for a week or so | 20:59 |
NewGnuGuy | Has he posted anywhere else in that time? | 21:00 |
KatolaZ | uh? | 21:00 |
KatolaZ | NewGnuGuy: what do you mean? | 21:00 |
NewGnuGuy | Do you know what he's up to? | 21:02 |
KatolaZ | o_O | 21:03 |
aitor | gnu_srs (aka svante signell) is missing | 21:03 |
NewGnuGuy | aitor: Does Gnuinos have ASCII repos yet? | 21:06 |
aitor | nope | 21:06 |
NewGnuGuy | :-( | 21:06 |
aitor | there are some backported packages, but only my own backports | 21:07 |
NewGnuGuy | I want to switch to Gnuinos, but I don't won't to switch back to Jessie from ASCII | 21:08 |
aitor | linux, kernel-wedge, tar, dpkg-dev, squashfs-tools... | 21:08 |
aitor | once it has released, gnuinos ascii will not take long | 21:11 |
NewGnuGuy | :-) | 21:11 |
mchasard | hi | 21:12 |
aitor | iḿ more deeply concerned about the lack of gnu_srs | 21:12 |
mchasard | who is under fluxuan a devuan derivative ? | 21:13 |
aitor | gnu_srs is more deeply concerned about my clock | 21:13 |
mchasard | i like the minimalist fluxbox desktop | 21:14 |
mchasard | but i have some rights troubles to use usb key as user | 21:14 |
mchasard | it works unly as root | 21:14 |
mchasard | how to be able to open ,write etc ..as users ? | 21:15 |
mchasard | otherwise all is fine for the moment | 21:15 |
Digit | hi devuan. :) hows things since the new release? lots of joy i presume. :) i dont suppose it makes much difference to us rolling on ceres, does it? i certainly saw no mention of it in https://devuan.org/os/debian-fork/ascii-rc-announce-050918 anyway. | 21:19 |
KatolaZ | NewGnuGuy: you can downgrade to jessie using a pin... | 21:20 |
KatolaZ | Digit: differences in ceres will be felt as soon as we do a few more things for Beowulf :) | 21:21 |
KatolaZ | hopefully positive ones though :) | 21:21 |
_abc_ | Another systemd/pulseaudio victim: https://wiki.debian.org/Bluetooth/Alsa | 21:57 |
_abc_ | "removed with unix support". Byebye systemd | 21:57 |
_abc_ | We're parting ways. | 21:57 |
_abc_ | Does anyone know what it takes to port / compile bluez-alsa in ascii ? | 21:58 |
_abc_ | https://forum.armbian.com/topic/6480-bluealsa-bluetooth-audio-using-alsa-not-pulseaudio/ more victims | 22:01 |
muep | that looks more like an upstream change, rather than something decided by debian | 22:04 |
golinux | _abc_ try apulse. It's in the devuan repos | 22:06 |
_abc_ | apulse is installed but no binary called apulse. Looking | 22:07 |
muep | apulse likely will not to turn a pulseaudio output backend into an alsa output plugin | 22:07 |
golinux | It's a substitution for pulseaudio. I've heard is also works in FF | 22:07 |
msiism | _abc_: are you keeping a list of these things? | 22:07 |
_abc_ | Oh that's by KatolaZ | 22:08 |
golinux | Search the dng mail list and the forum for some hints how to do it. I have not | 22:08 |
_abc_ | msiism: yes it seems to grow constantly. | 22:08 |
Digit | thanks, KatolaZ. that's helpful. :) | 22:08 |
muep | my impression is that apulse is just for providing a pulseaudio-like interface for applications that expect to output their audio via pulseaudio | 22:08 |
_abc_ | /usr/share/doc/apulse/README.Debian -> very funny KatolaZ | 22:08 |
_abc_ | yes, it's like a wrapper. And no manpage. | 22:09 |
_abc_ | apulse --help -> exec: --help not found ;) | 22:09 |
_abc_ | I understand what it does. But I can't use it for the bluez-alsa | 22:09 |
muep | I'd not expect apulse to provide all the pulseaudio interfaces. if you need a program that provides all the pulseaudio interfaces on top of alsa there is already a program called pulseaudio available | 22:10 |
_abc_ | https://forum.armbian.com/topic/6480-bluealsa-bluetooth-audio-using-alsa-not-pulseaudio/ this is the way to try | 22:12 |
_abc_ | muep: I need bluez-alsa not pulse | 22:12 |
muep | I head that. I was just describing why I'd not expect apulse to be helpful for it | 22:13 |
_abc_ | Thanks. | 22:13 |
muep | s/head/understood/ | 22:13 |
_abc_ | So I'll try the compilation way to do it. Should work. Or did I misread the version they support? | 22:15 |
_abc_ | bluez5 I hope | 22:15 |
muep | based on their description, to me it seems like this bluealsa project is intended to contain the features that also pulseaudio provides in order to support bluetooth audio | 22:16 |
_abc_ | Maybe but what I need is bluez-alsa. | 22:17 |
_abc_ | Specifically. | 22:17 |
muep | at least that bluez-alsa repository contains a tool called bluealsa. Are we still talking about a different thing? | 22:18 |
_abc_ | I am not sure. I'll tell you after I go through it tomorrow some time. Need to sleep in a bit. | 22:19 |
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