xrogaan | do any people here know a good dark theme? | 00:41 |
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xrogaan | for mate | 00:41 |
xrogaan | blackbird and blackmate are kind of broken for some apps. | 00:42 |
xrogaan | and apparently I can't find how to change colors. | 00:42 |
xrogaan | also, fsmithred, why is "darkpuppy" named with "dark" in it if there is no real dark color scheme? :P | 00:44 |
xrogaan | dark-purpy | 00:44 |
NewGnuGuy | xrogaan: Arc is nice https://github.com/horst3180/Arc-theme | 00:46 |
xrogaan | oooh, I like it. | 00:48 |
NewGnuGuy | :-) | 00:49 |
xrogaan | thanks | 01:09 |
fsmithred | xrogaan, darkpurpy is darker than the purpy theme in jessie | 02:00 |
xrogaan | it's pretty white for me :( | 02:01 |
fsmithred | white? | 02:01 |
fsmithred | on some monitors it does look gray | 02:01 |
xrogaan | the background colors in the windows | 02:01 |
fsmithred | oh, yes | 02:01 |
xrogaan | see, all white: https://a.safe.moe/DM7M5My.png | 02:03 |
fsmithred | you don't have the devuan background? | 02:04 |
fsmithred | purple with devuan swoosh | 02:05 |
Criggie | xsetroot -solid DarkCyan | 02:05 |
Criggie | what more do you need? | 02:05 |
Criggie | If you can see the background, you're not working hard enough | 02:05 |
gnarface | the background is really big, is it possible his hardware can't load it? | 02:09 |
xrogaan | heh? | 02:10 |
gnarface | xrogaan: does your video card have more than 2MB of ram? | 02:10 |
xrogaan | there should be an image as background? | 02:10 |
xrogaan | yeah, 1GB | 02:10 |
gnarface | nevermind | 02:11 |
fsmithred | the background comes with desktop-base. If you installed xfce from the installer iso, you should have it. If you installed xfce separately, then maybe not. | 02:11 |
xrogaan | I just removed xfce | 02:13 |
xrogaan | 'cause it annoys me when I forget to hit "F1" at the DM to login on xfce. | 02:13 |
fsmithred | oh yeah, that's mate, isn't it? | 02:13 |
xrogaan | yes :) | 02:13 |
fsmithred | everything working ok? | 02:14 |
xrogaan | it does for me. | 02:17 |
xrogaan | well | 02:17 |
fsmithred | great | 02:17 |
xrogaan | compton is a bit weird | 02:19 |
fsmithred | is that for the fancy desktop effects? | 02:20 |
xrogaan | yeah | 02:22 |
xrogaan | I don't think there are any. | 02:23 |
gnarface | compositing is still partially to mostly broken for a lot of popular drivers | 02:25 |
xrogaan | there is a gui to configure compton, doesn't seem to work either. | 02:25 |
xrogaan | I do get the term transparency and vsync though | 02:25 |
gnarface | you could try a different compositor, or just a different driver, but after years of struggle the only workable solution i found was to just turn it off. | 02:25 |
gnarface | really depressing, because it's eye-candy that could really be used to make Windows users jealous, but it can only be trusted to reliably do so for a few minutes at a time in controlled conditions | 02:26 |
gnarface | some of the compositing bugs i've seen with the Nvidia drivers constitute fairly obvious security risks | 02:28 |
gnarface | (swapping around window buffers and getting them confused so that it renders the wrong email's contents in a window, for example) | 02:28 |
fsmithred | yikes | 02:28 |
gnarface | yea, *really* bad | 02:29 |
xrogaan | by default, compton starts with `compton --config /dev/null' when configured through MATE Tweak. | 02:29 |
xrogaan | which seems a bit stupid? | 02:29 |
fsmithred | I stopped using nvidia driver for something weird like that | 02:29 |
fsmithred | after reboot, last video watched appeared in mosaic form | 02:30 |
xrogaan | oh | 02:30 |
xrogaan | that's a buffer issue ain't it? | 02:30 |
xrogaan | I had that when starting the Torment game. | 02:30 |
fsmithred | I guess. I made it a non-issue. nouveau works well enough | 02:30 |
xrogaan | But only with that game. | 02:31 |
gnarface | it's unclear how much of the problem is Nvidia's drivers and how much is the compositors. they both point the blame at everyone else. | 02:31 |
xrogaan | yeah, it's nvidia. | 02:31 |
fsmithred | I keep compositing turned off | 02:31 |
xrogaan | and since mate is at least as annoying as gnome when it comes to configuration files, I have no idea where to look to change how compton is launched. | 02:39 |
xrogaan | ooh, shutter is awesome. | 03:02 |
holla | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TMZi25Pq3T8 | 04:08 |
Criggie | I've learned to not open links without some level of explanation. | 04:15 |
xrogaan | this is why infobot should do that for us: fetch the metadata and all that. | 04:17 |
xrogaan | .t | 04:17 |
xrogaan | or just a title | 04:18 |
buZz | i can bring my titlebot in here | 04:20 |
buZz | i guess its ok, i'm op here | 04:21 |
Criggie | I'm also at work, and a sudden... rickroll... would be unappreciated. | 04:22 |
buZz | ^ the nickname is a pun | 04:22 |
buZz | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TMZi25Pq3T8 | 04:22 |
buZz | ah, still warming up, Bot::Basic is one slow setup ;) | 04:22 |
Entitlement | buZz - [ N.W.A. - Straight Outta Compton - YouTube ] | 04:22 |
buZz | nwa \o/ | 04:22 |
Criggie | thanks - I can ignore that and know I'm not missing anything | 04:23 |
buZz | :) good, hth | 04:23 |
Criggie | buZz: thanks dude - good work | 04:23 |
Criggie | s/good/great/ | 04:24 |
Criggie | awwsw the bot doesn't do corrections | 04:24 |
DocScrutinizer05 | right, I blocked that | 04:30 |
buZz | i can just postrender it mentally, works fine | 04:34 |
DocScrutinizer05 | on a general note, bots are not that much appreciated by some of the key people in here, and so they should mostly stay silent. A general URL -> title expansion is of questionable use since you're not supposed to spam URLs unsolicited without sufficient context anyway | 04:35 |
xrogaan | info could be on-demand | 04:36 |
xrogaan | post an url with a .t preceding it. `.t example.org' | 04:36 |
buZz | hmhm, yeah this bot is true autosniff, some bots have trigger for it, maybe that would fly better here | 04:37 |
furrywolf | imho, we don't need any kind of bot in here that doesn't serve some explicit purpose and that only talks when called upon to do that purpose. | 04:37 |
DocScrutinizer05 | nothing wrong about a "bot: title <URL>" command | 04:37 |
xrogaan | And the bot will dutifully fetch the title. | 04:37 |
furrywolf | what makes you think this channel needs this bot? | 04:37 |
buZz | lol k k, removed it is ;) | 04:37 |
xrogaan | well, I don't want to load youtube or twitter. I'd rather have a bot fetch the info for me. | 04:38 |
furrywolf | I find that youtube links lacking sufficient context to determine their usefulness, are never useful. | 04:39 |
DocScrutinizer05 | ^^^ | 04:39 |
buZz | xrogaan: if you wanna build a trigger into it ; https://hastebin.com/iguwetoyuc.pl | 04:40 |
DocScrutinizer05 | spamming an unrelated YT URL just to say something is rather begging for a ban than any useful | 04:41 |
DocScrutinizer05 | and it doesn't matter if it's >><holla> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TMZi25Pq3T8<< or >><holla> .t https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TMZi25Pq3T8<< | 04:42 |
buZz | oh yeah, dno, i'm not that hating on NWA , its a cool song and they stood up for user-liberties aswell, just in their own place and time | 04:43 |
DocScrutinizer05 | err that's a topic now? | 04:44 |
DocScrutinizer05 | I can't even make a meaningful context out of it | 04:44 |
buZz | and seeing how it spurred the interaction of 5 people since, it does seem to be a crowd builder :P | 04:44 |
DocScrutinizer05 | no, that's trolling | 04:44 |
buZz | oh ok | 04:45 |
DocScrutinizer05 | I don't think it's a viable approach to team building in arbitrary IRC chanels to spam a random YT URL and then starts the always same discussion if that's a good or bad thing to do and whether to expand the URL to title by a bot or not | 04:47 |
DocScrutinizer05 | if I missed an existing comtext this URL been posted in, then I beg your pardon | 04:48 |
buZz | no, there was no context | 04:49 |
DocScrutinizer05 | so it was unsolicited and OT | 04:49 |
buZz | all chat is unsollicitated | 04:49 |
buZz | we arent selling a product here :P | 04:50 |
DocScrutinizer05 | no, chat on devuan at large is highly solicited in here | 04:50 |
furrywolf | chat on anything else will make golinux whack you with a newspaper. | 04:51 |
buZz | lol | 04:51 |
xrogaan | compton is the 3D window thing | 04:51 |
buZz | i'll delete a wallpaper! | 04:51 |
DocScrutinizer05 | xrogaan: ((I don't want to load youtube or twitter. I'd rather have a bot fetch the info for me.)) I bet you can find a plugin for your IRC client doing that for you | 04:53 |
DocScrutinizer05 | emphasis on >>for you<< | 04:54 |
xrogaan | good point | 04:54 |
golinux | furrywolf: LOL! | 05:06 |
* DocScrutinizer05 finally noticed the missing context: compton | 05:12 | |
DocScrutinizer05 | so yes, with a title expansion it would even qualify as a witty reply in context | 05:13 |
DocScrutinizer05 | doesn't support general URL expansion though - OP could as well have provided the context in manually written remark to the URL | 05:15 |
furrywolf | bbl, wolfy bedtime | 06:33 |
xrogaan | anybody knows where I can find the debug symbols for the Xorg server? | 15:32 |
xrogaan | there is no xserver-xorg-core-dbg | 15:33 |
KatolaZ | xrogaan: it comes from debian | 15:33 |
xrogaan | I know | 15:33 |
KatolaZ | and since stretch dbg packages are separate from the main repo | 15:34 |
xrogaan | I have dbg symbols package for the drivers, but not for the core server | 15:34 |
xrogaan | Do I need ascii-debug or something? | 15:34 |
KatolaZ | dunno then | 15:35 |
xrogaan | yeah, debian package thing do not show a dbg one for stretch at all. | 15:35 |
xrogaan | one for jessie, one for sid, none for stretch. | 15:36 |
KatolaZ | yeah, I know they have been stripped from the main repo anyway | 15:36 |
KatolaZ | but I don't remember where they put them | 15:37 |
KatolaZ | :\ | 15:37 |
xrogaan | debian-debug with everything. | 15:38 |
xrogaan | https://www.debian.org/releases/stretch/amd64/release-notes/ch-whats-new.en.html#debug-archive | 15:39 |
xrogaan | is there something similar for devuan? | 15:39 |
KatolaZ | xrogaan: devuan includes dbg symbols in the repo | 15:40 |
KatolaZ | (for packages built by devuan) | 15:40 |
xrogaan | I know, I specifically need xserver-xorg-core-dbg | 15:40 |
KatolaZ | xrogaan: it comes from debian | 15:40 |
KatolaZ | it's not forked by devuan | 15:41 |
KatolaZ | so you'll find the symbols in the debian-debug archive | 15:41 |
xrogaan | sorry, the link I posted do not refer to an archive per say but a separate repository called "debian-debug" | 15:44 |
xrogaan | that's what they called it. | 15:44 |
KatolaZ | yes xrogaan | 15:44 |
KatolaZ | just use any debian mirror | 15:44 |
KatolaZ | in that section | 15:44 |
KatolaZ | you'll find the dbg packages | 15:44 |
KatolaZ | (I guess) | 15:45 |
gnarface | E: Repository 'http://pkgmaster.devuan.org/merged ceres InRelease' changed its 'Origin' value from '' to 'Devuan' | 15:46 |
gnarface | N: This must be accepted explicitly before updates for this repository can be applied. See apt-secure(8) manpage for details. | 15:46 |
gnarface | ? | 15:46 |
gnarface | should it be doing that? | 15:49 |
KatolaZ | gnarface: yes | 15:51 |
KatolaZ | we added the missing Origin yesterdsy | 15:51 |
KatolaZ | yesterday | 15:51 |
KatolaZ | please see message on DNG | 15:51 |
KatolaZ | (I guess it's mentioned on dev1galaxy as well) | 15:51 |
KatolaZ | this solves several issues with lsb_release | 15:51 |
KatolaZ | gnarface: ^^^ | 15:52 |
gnarface | ok | 15:52 |
xrogaan | so I have to add the debian debug repository then? Devuan does not mirror it? | 15:57 |
KatolaZ | xrogaan: nope | 15:59 |
KatolaZ | devuan does not mirror it | 15:59 |
xrogaan | ascii is stretch, right? | 15:59 |
KatolaZ | and eve if it did, you'd anyway get the packages straight from debian... | 15:59 |
KatolaZ | ascii is ascii | 15:59 |
KatolaZ | ascii merges stretch | 16:00 |
xrogaan | You confuse me. | 16:00 |
KatolaZ | xrogaan: what is confusing? | 16:00 |
xrogaan | should I add `deb http://debug.mirrors.debian.org/debian-debug/ stretch-debug main' in my apt.source to get the dbg symbols of xorg or not? | 16:01 |
KatolaZ | xrogaan: if you like | 16:02 |
xrogaan | so stretch is for ascii? | 16:02 |
KatolaZ | there is nothing that suggests that you "should" | 16:02 |
KatolaZ | Devuan ascii merges Debian Stretch | 16:03 |
KatolaZ | meaning that it is based on the packages in Debian stretch | 16:03 |
xrogaan | you basically tell me "maybe yes, maybe not." :P | 16:04 |
KatolaZ | xrogaan: ? | 16:06 |
KatolaZ | you must decide what you put in your sources.list, and nobody else | 16:07 |
KatolaZ | I don't see what is confusing in this point | 16:07 |
xrogaan | That's not the question here. | 16:07 |
xrogaan | Nor is the status of devuan and debian. I need debug symbol, are they available through devuan? If not, can I use the debian repository? What would you do? | 16:08 |
KatolaZ | xrogaan: I already answered that question | 16:08 |
KatolaZ | devuan provides -dbg packages only for packages built by devuan | 16:08 |
KatolaZ | and they are kept in the standard devuan repos | 16:08 |
xrogaan | What about packages that are not built by devuan? | 16:08 |
KatolaZ | if you need other -dbg packages you should get them directly from debian | 16:09 |
KatolaZ | xrogaan: ^^^ | 16:09 |
xrogaan | what if the debian thing override dbg packages provided by devuan? | 16:10 |
xrogaan | shouldn't happen I believe. | 16:11 |
KatolaZ | xrogaan: it might happen for packages that are forked by Devuan | 16:15 |
KatolaZ | you might pin those | 16:15 |
KatolaZ | but since those are just debug symbols, you should be safe | 16:15 |
igor80 | hi sorry to bother you with this but | 16:17 |
igor80 | it appears from time to time that | 16:17 |
igor80 | devuanised package got security updates | 16:17 |
igor80 | then there is a lag | 16:17 |
igor80 | https://git.devuan.org/devuan-packages/util-linux/issues/29 | 16:17 |
igor80 | solved and closed by KatolaZ | 16:18 |
igor80 | however | 16:18 |
igor80 | https://git.devuan.org/devuan-packages/procps/issues/5 | 16:18 |
igor80 | still opened | 16:18 |
igor80 | is devuan aware of this corner trouble | 16:19 |
igor80 | ? | 16:19 |
KatolaZ | igor80: bugs should be filed to bugs.devuan.org | 16:21 |
KatolaZ | it's easier to keep track of them | 16:22 |
igor80 | ack | 16:22 |
KatolaZ | (thanks for reporting though) | 16:22 |
KatolaZ | (that might have slipped) | 16:22 |
igor80 | thanks and let be ascii out | 16:25 |
KatolaZ | igor80: hope so :) | 16:29 |
Juesto | is it known when the next openrc update will be pulled in? | 16:44 |
Juesto | or rather, which version is it going to be updated to | 16:45 |
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