libera/#devuan/ Friday, 2018-06-01

xrogaando any people here know a good dark theme?00:41
xrogaanfor mate00:41
xrogaanblackbird and blackmate are kind of broken for some apps.00:42
xrogaanand apparently I can't find how to change colors.00:42
xrogaanalso, fsmithred, why is "darkpuppy" named with "dark" in it if there is no real dark color scheme? :P00:44
xrogaandark-purpy00:44
NewGnuGuyxrogaan: Arc is nice https://github.com/horst3180/Arc-theme00:46
xrogaanoooh, I like it.00:48
NewGnuGuy:-)00:49
xrogaanthanks01:09
fsmithredxrogaan, darkpurpy is darker than the purpy theme in jessie02:00
xrogaanit's pretty white for me :(02:01
fsmithredwhite?02:01
fsmithredon some monitors it does look gray02:01
xrogaanthe background colors in the windows02:01
fsmithredoh, yes02:01
xrogaansee, all white: https://a.safe.moe/DM7M5My.png02:03
fsmithredyou don't have the devuan background?02:04
fsmithredpurple with devuan swoosh02:05
Criggiexsetroot -solid DarkCyan02:05
Criggiewhat more do you need?02:05
CriggieIf you can see the background, you're not working hard enough02:05
gnarfacethe background is really big, is it possible his hardware can't load it?02:09
xrogaanheh?02:10
gnarfacexrogaan: does your video card have more than 2MB of ram?02:10
xrogaanthere should be an image as background?02:10
xrogaanyeah, 1GB02:10
gnarfacenevermind02:11
fsmithredthe background comes with desktop-base. If you installed xfce from the installer iso, you should have it. If you installed xfce separately, then maybe not.02:11
xrogaanI just removed xfce02:13
xrogaan'cause it annoys me when I forget to hit "F1" at the DM to login on xfce.02:13
fsmithredoh yeah, that's mate, isn't it?02:13
xrogaanyes :)02:13
fsmithredeverything working ok?02:14
xrogaanit does for me.02:17
xrogaanwell02:17
fsmithredgreat02:17
xrogaancompton is a bit weird02:19
fsmithredis that for the fancy desktop effects?02:20
xrogaanyeah02:22
xrogaanI don't think there are any.02:23
gnarfacecompositing is still partially to mostly broken for a lot of popular drivers02:25
xrogaanthere is a gui to configure compton, doesn't seem to work either.02:25
xrogaanI do get the term transparency and vsync though02:25
gnarfaceyou could try a different compositor, or just a different driver, but after years of struggle the only workable solution i found was to just turn it off.02:25
gnarfacereally depressing, because it's eye-candy that could really be used to make Windows users jealous, but it can only be trusted to reliably do so for a few minutes at a time in controlled conditions02:26
gnarfacesome of the compositing bugs i've seen with the Nvidia drivers constitute fairly obvious security risks02:28
gnarface(swapping around window buffers and getting them confused so that it renders the wrong email's contents in a window, for example)02:28
fsmithredyikes02:28
gnarfaceyea, *really* bad02:29
xrogaanby default, compton starts with `compton --config /dev/null' when configured through MATE Tweak.02:29
xrogaanwhich seems a bit stupid?02:29
fsmithredI stopped using nvidia driver for something weird like that02:29
fsmithredafter reboot, last video watched appeared in mosaic form02:30
xrogaanoh02:30
xrogaanthat's a buffer issue ain't it?02:30
xrogaanI had that when starting the Torment game.02:30
fsmithredI guess. I made it a non-issue. nouveau works well enough02:30
xrogaanBut only with that game.02:31
gnarfaceit's unclear how much of the problem is Nvidia's drivers and how much is the compositors.  they both point the blame at everyone else.02:31
xrogaanyeah, it's nvidia.02:31
fsmithredI keep compositing turned off02:31
xrogaanand since mate is at least as annoying as gnome when it comes to configuration files, I have no idea where to look to change how compton is launched.02:39
xrogaanooh, shutter is awesome.03:02
hollahttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TMZi25Pq3T804:08
CriggieI've learned to not open links without some level of explanation.04:15
xrogaanthis is why infobot should do that for us: fetch the metadata and all that.04:17
xrogaan.t04:17
xrogaanor just a title04:18
buZzi can bring my titlebot in here04:20
buZzi guess its ok, i'm op here04:21
CriggieI'm also at work, and a sudden... rickroll... would be unappreciated.04:22
buZz^ the nickname is a pun04:22
buZzhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TMZi25Pq3T804:22
buZzah, still warming up, Bot::Basic is one slow setup ;)04:22
EntitlementbuZz - [ N.W.A. - Straight Outta Compton - YouTube ]04:22
buZznwa \o/04:22
Criggiethanks - I can ignore that and know I'm not missing anything04:23
buZz:) good, hth04:23
CriggiebuZz: thanks dude - good work04:23
Criggies/good/great/04:24
Criggieawwsw the bot doesn't do corrections04:24
DocScrutinizer05right, I blocked that04:30
buZzi can just postrender it mentally, works fine04:34
DocScrutinizer05on a general note, bots are not that much appreciated by some of the key people in here, and so they should mostly stay silent. A general URL -> title expansion is of questionable use since you're not supposed to spam URLs unsolicited without sufficient context anyway04:35
xrogaaninfo could be on-demand04:36
xrogaanpost an url with a .t preceding it. `.t example.org'04:36
buZzhmhm, yeah this bot is true autosniff, some bots have trigger for it, maybe that would fly better here04:37
furrywolfimho, we don't need any kind of bot in here that doesn't serve some explicit purpose and that only talks when called upon to do that purpose.04:37
DocScrutinizer05nothing wrong about a "bot: title <URL>" command04:37
xrogaanAnd the bot will dutifully fetch the title.04:37
furrywolfwhat makes you think this channel needs this bot?04:37
buZzlol k k, removed it is ;)04:37
xrogaanwell, I don't want to load youtube or twitter. I'd rather have a bot fetch the info for me.04:38
furrywolfI find that youtube links lacking sufficient context to determine their usefulness, are never useful.04:39
DocScrutinizer05^^^04:39
buZzxrogaan: if you wanna build a trigger into it ; https://hastebin.com/iguwetoyuc.pl04:40
DocScrutinizer05spamming an unrelated YT URL just to say something is rather begging for a ban than any useful04:41
DocScrutinizer05and it doesn't matter if it's >><holla> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TMZi25Pq3T8<< or >><holla> .t https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TMZi25Pq3T8<<04:42
buZzoh yeah, dno, i'm not that hating on NWA , its a cool song and they stood up for user-liberties aswell, just in their own place and time04:43
DocScrutinizer05err that's a topic now?04:44
DocScrutinizer05I can't even make a meaningful context out of it04:44
buZzand seeing how it spurred the interaction of 5 people since, it does seem to be a crowd builder :P04:44
DocScrutinizer05no, that's trolling04:44
buZzoh ok04:45
DocScrutinizer05I don't think it's a viable approach to team building in arbitrary IRC chanels to spam a random YT URL and then starts the always same discussion if that's a good or bad thing to do and whether to expand the URL to title by a bot or not04:47
DocScrutinizer05if I missed an existing comtext this URL been posted in, then I beg your pardon04:48
buZzno, there was no context04:49
DocScrutinizer05so it was unsolicited and OT04:49
buZzall chat is unsollicitated04:49
buZzwe arent selling a product here :P04:50
DocScrutinizer05no, chat on devuan at large is highly solicited in here04:50
furrywolfchat on anything else will make golinux whack you with a newspaper.04:51
buZzlol04:51
xrogaancompton is the 3D window thing04:51
buZzi'll delete a wallpaper!04:51
DocScrutinizer05xrogaan: ((I don't want to load youtube or twitter. I'd rather have a bot fetch the info for me.)) I bet you can find a plugin for your IRC client doing that for you04:53
DocScrutinizer05emphasis on >>for you<<04:54
xrogaangood point04:54
golinuxfurrywolf: LOL!05:06
* DocScrutinizer05 finally noticed the missing context: compton05:12
DocScrutinizer05so yes, with a title expansion it would even qualify as a witty reply in context05:13
DocScrutinizer05doesn't support general URL expansion though - OP could as well have provided the context in manually written remark to the URL05:15
furrywolfbbl, wolfy bedtime06:33
xrogaananybody knows where I can find the debug symbols for the Xorg server?15:32
xrogaanthere is no xserver-xorg-core-dbg15:33
KatolaZxrogaan: it comes from debian15:33
xrogaanI know15:33
KatolaZand since stretch dbg packages are separate from the main repo15:34
xrogaanI have dbg symbols package for the drivers, but not for the core server15:34
xrogaanDo I need ascii-debug or something?15:34
KatolaZdunno then15:35
xrogaanyeah, debian package thing do not show a dbg one for stretch at all.15:35
xrogaanone for jessie, one for sid, none for stretch.15:36
KatolaZyeah, I know they have been stripped from the main repo anyway15:36
KatolaZbut I don't remember where they put them15:37
KatolaZ:\15:37
xrogaandebian-debug with everything.15:38
xrogaanhttps://www.debian.org/releases/stretch/amd64/release-notes/ch-whats-new.en.html#debug-archive15:39
xrogaanis there something similar for devuan?15:39
KatolaZxrogaan: devuan includes dbg symbols in the repo15:40
KatolaZ(for packages built by devuan)15:40
xrogaanI know, I specifically need xserver-xorg-core-dbg15:40
KatolaZxrogaan: it comes from debian15:40
KatolaZit's not forked by devuan15:41
KatolaZso you'll find the symbols in the debian-debug archive15:41
xrogaansorry, the link I posted do not refer to an archive per say but a separate repository called "debian-debug"15:44
xrogaanthat's what they called it.15:44
KatolaZyes xrogaan15:44
KatolaZjust use any debian mirror15:44
KatolaZin that section15:44
KatolaZyou'll find the dbg packages15:44
KatolaZ(I guess)15:45
gnarfaceE: Repository 'http://pkgmaster.devuan.org/merged ceres InRelease' changed its 'Origin' value from '' to 'Devuan'15:46
gnarfaceN: This must be accepted explicitly before updates for this repository can be applied. See apt-secure(8) manpage for details.15:46
gnarface?15:46
gnarfaceshould it be doing that?15:49
KatolaZgnarface: yes15:51
KatolaZwe added the missing Origin yesterdsy15:51
KatolaZyesterday15:51
KatolaZplease see message on DNG15:51
KatolaZ(I guess it's mentioned on dev1galaxy as well)15:51
KatolaZthis solves several issues with lsb_release15:51
KatolaZgnarface: ^^^15:52
gnarfaceok15:52
xrogaanso I have to add the debian debug repository then? Devuan does not mirror it?15:57
KatolaZxrogaan: nope15:59
KatolaZdevuan does not mirror it15:59
xrogaanascii is stretch, right?15:59
KatolaZand eve if it did, you'd anyway get the packages straight from debian...15:59
KatolaZascii is ascii15:59
KatolaZascii merges stretch16:00
xrogaanYou confuse me.16:00
KatolaZxrogaan: what is confusing?16:00
xrogaanshould I add `deb http://debug.mirrors.debian.org/debian-debug/ stretch-debug main' in my apt.source to get the dbg symbols of xorg or not?16:01
KatolaZxrogaan: if you like16:02
xrogaanso stretch is for ascii?16:02
KatolaZthere is nothing that suggests that you "should"16:02
KatolaZDevuan ascii merges Debian Stretch16:03
KatolaZmeaning that it is based on the packages in Debian stretch16:03
xrogaanyou basically tell me "maybe yes, maybe not." :P16:04
KatolaZxrogaan: ?16:06
KatolaZyou must decide what you put in your sources.list, and nobody else16:07
KatolaZI don't see what is confusing in this point16:07
xrogaanThat's not the question here.16:07
xrogaanNor is the status of devuan and debian. I need debug symbol, are they available through devuan? If not, can I use the debian repository? What would you do?16:08
KatolaZxrogaan: I already answered that question16:08
KatolaZdevuan provides -dbg packages only for packages built by devuan16:08
KatolaZand they are  kept in the standard devuan repos16:08
xrogaanWhat about packages that are not built by devuan?16:08
KatolaZif you need other -dbg packages you should get them directly from debian16:09
KatolaZxrogaan: ^^^16:09
xrogaanwhat if the debian thing override dbg packages provided by devuan?16:10
xrogaanshouldn't happen I believe.16:11
KatolaZxrogaan: it might happen for packages that are forked by Devuan16:15
KatolaZyou might pin those16:15
KatolaZbut since those are just debug symbols, you should be safe16:15
igor80hi sorry to bother you with this but16:17
igor80it appears from time to time that16:17
igor80devuanised package got security updates16:17
igor80then there is a lag16:17
igor80https://git.devuan.org/devuan-packages/util-linux/issues/2916:17
igor80solved and closed by KatolaZ16:18
igor80however16:18
igor80https://git.devuan.org/devuan-packages/procps/issues/516:18
igor80still opened16:18
igor80is devuan aware of this corner trouble16:19
igor80?16:19
KatolaZigor80: bugs should be filed to bugs.devuan.org16:21
KatolaZit's easier to keep track of them16:22
igor80ack16:22
KatolaZ(thanks for reporting though)16:22
KatolaZ(that might have slipped)16:22
igor80thanks and let be ascii out16:25
KatolaZigor80: hope so :)16:29
Juestois it known when the next openrc update will be pulled in?16:44
Juestoor rather, which version is it going to be updated to16:45

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