gnu_srs1 | Hi, congrats to the ascii release. Now it is time to make progress and introduce stable (ascii), testing (beowulf) and unstable (ceres) repos and workflows :D | 00:01 |
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aitor | hi | 00:01 |
targz | aitor: hi ( #devuan-mx te extraña XD ) | 00:04 |
aitor | hi, targz | 00:04 |
aitor | i've been missing this weekend | 00:04 |
aitor | working :) | 00:04 |
aitor | i've built an image with runit and vdev using the live-sdk | 00:05 |
aitor | i'm uploading it | 00:05 |
aitor | http://gnuinos.org/gnuinos%20jessie/ | 00:06 |
targz | aitor: did you contact jobregon? | 00:06 |
aitor | still not, i don't forget | 00:07 |
targz | ok | 00:07 |
aitor | i'll contact with him this week | 00:08 |
aitor | one change is needed after the installation of the image: | 00:15 |
aitor | at grub menu type ‘e’ and append init=/sbin/runit-init to the kernel line | 00:15 |
aitor | the line should be something like this: | 00:16 |
aitor | linux/boot/vmlinuz-3.16.0-4-amd64 root=UUID=d6ff61e9-ddbc-458a-ad4e-e1664953f69d ro init=/sbin/runtit-init | 00:16 |
aitor | after that, press ctrl+x to boot the modified boot definition | 00:17 |
aitor | i also need to add this init definition to the isolinux/live.cfg file for live sessions (i forgot it) | 00:18 |
aitor | you can also test the popupmenu in this image, it works | 00:20 |
aitor | the terminal doesn't work for the live user (only works for root during live sessions); this is due to vdev | 00:21 |
aitor | but it works after a hard disk installation | 00:21 |
underd0g | so 2.0 is officially out ? | 00:21 |
underd0g | we no longer beta ? | 00:21 |
Jjp137 | yep! | 00:22 |
Centurion_Dan | underd0g: yep the final release is officially out | 00:22 |
underd0g | so anyone tested upgrade path ? | 00:22 |
underd0g | I had a rough year , and haven't been payin' too much atention to anything going on with things I hold dear | 00:23 |
KatolaZ | underd0g: look at the announcement | 00:23 |
KatolaZ | there are links to doc about upgrading | 00:23 |
KatolaZ | and yes, many people have tested them | 00:24 |
underd0g | I got things set up | 00:24 |
underd0g | would hate to ruin this box | 00:24 |
underd0g | but hell , I'll just jump into it | 00:25 |
KatolaZ | underd0g: please follow the instructions provided | 00:26 |
underd0g | will do | 00:26 |
underd0g | I know how to apt-get upgrade | 00:26 |
underd0g | :D | 00:27 |
golinux | It's a little more than that this time. | 00:28 |
KatolaZ | underd0g: please read the instructions anyway | 00:28 |
KatolaZ | especially if you are upgrading from Stretch | 00:28 |
Centurion_Dan | the only caveat I know of is pulseaudio... and that can simply be uninstalled or pinned out - there is no out of the box panel volume control for alsa but I'll work on that soon as I need it for my home theatre pc. | 00:28 |
underd0g | I am on jessie | 00:29 |
underd0g | and , yes I have read the instructions | 00:29 |
underd0g | there's this lil thing I was wondering if someone knows | 00:29 |
Centurion_Dan | ... that's in xfce... don't know whether other DE's have the issue.. | 00:29 |
KatolaZ | underd0g: what is it about? | 00:30 |
underd0g | this box | 00:30 |
underd0g | it's been going since your first beta | 00:30 |
underd0g | so I kinda forgot the first steps I didi with it | 00:30 |
underd0g | I can't edit /etc/resolv.conf | 00:31 |
underd0g | I got opennic server writen in there | 00:32 |
underd0g | and it works | 00:32 |
underd0g | but can't edit it anymore | 00:32 |
KatolaZ | what do you mean "can't edit it"? | 00:33 |
underd0g | I usualy fire up nano | 00:33 |
underd0g | and just edit it | 00:33 |
underd0g | to get my own dns servers | 00:33 |
KatolaZ | ok | 00:33 |
KatolaZ | lsattr /etc/resolv.conf | 00:33 |
KatolaZ | if you have an "a" anywhere, then you need | 00:34 |
KatolaZ | chattr -a /etc/resolv.conf | 00:34 |
underd0g | I don't | 00:34 |
KatolaZ | what do you have there? | 00:34 |
underd0g | ----i--------e-- /etc/resolv.conf | 00:34 |
underd0g | but I also have /etc/resolv.conf.dhclient-new | 00:35 |
KatolaZ | ok | 00:35 |
KatolaZ | it's immutable | 00:35 |
KatolaZ | chattr -i /etc/resolv.conf | 00:35 |
underd0g | wait | 00:35 |
KatolaZ | you do that when you don't want a file to be modified externally | 00:35 |
underd0g | is it controled by dhclient in devuan ? | 00:35 |
KatolaZ | e.g., by dhclient | 00:35 |
KatolaZ | it could | 00:36 |
KatolaZ | but if you make it append-only or immutable, you are safe | 00:36 |
underd0g | I'll study dhclient first | 00:37 |
KatolaZ | don't need to, tbh | 00:37 |
KatolaZ | dhclient will modify that file if it is given a DNS server with a lease | 00:37 |
underd0g | how do I do that | 00:37 |
KatolaZ | what? | 00:37 |
underd0g | add a dns to dhclient | 00:37 |
KatolaZ | uh? | 00:38 |
underd0g | I mean , I have written that /etc/resolv.conf myself | 00:38 |
KatolaZ | ok | 00:38 |
underd0g | and it has the line I put in it | 00:38 |
KatolaZ | fine | 00:38 |
KatolaZ | do you control the dhcp server? | 00:38 |
underd0g | I want to realise when and how didi the file become immutable | 00:38 |
underd0g | no I do not | 00:39 |
KatolaZ | underd0g: probably you made it immutable | 00:39 |
underd0g | I am hooked to some corporate network | 00:39 |
KatolaZ | underd0g: dhclient won't make it immutable | 00:39 |
underd0g | KatolaZ: why would I do that | 00:39 |
KatolaZ | underd0g: because you wanted to use a specific set of DNS servers | 00:39 |
KatolaZ | and not those provided by the dhcp server | 00:39 |
underd0g | wow | 00:40 |
underd0g | I do not remember that | 00:40 |
KatolaZ | 00:32 < underd0g> so I kinda forgot the first steps I didi with it | 00:40 |
KatolaZ | 00:32 < underd0g> I can't edit /etc/resolv.conf | 00:40 |
KatolaZ | ^^^^ | 00:40 |
underd0g | fuck | 00:40 |
KatolaZ | :D | 00:40 |
KatolaZ | you said | 00:40 |
underd0g | I just made it writeable | 00:40 |
underd0g | and guess what | 00:41 |
KatolaZ | cool | 00:41 |
KatolaZ | now dhclient will mess with it | 00:41 |
underd0g | lost my opennic | 00:41 |
underd0g | damn | 00:41 |
KatolaZ | wonder | 00:41 |
KatolaZ | :D | 00:41 |
KatolaZ | I told you | 00:41 |
underd0g | and I am sober | 00:41 |
underd0g | shit | 00:41 |
KatolaZ | it's just the dhcp client | 00:41 |
KatolaZ | there are no ghosts | 00:41 |
KatolaZ | :) | 00:41 |
underd0g | if I add my dns to wicd , will it resolve ? | 00:42 |
KatolaZ | uh? | 00:42 |
KatolaZ | you can try | 00:42 |
KatolaZ | I don't use wicd | 00:43 |
KatolaZ | so I don't know | 00:43 |
KatolaZ | I normally use my own resolv.conf | 00:43 |
KatolaZ | and chattr +a /etc/resolv.conf | 00:43 |
fsmithred | you can also add a dns to /etc/dhcp/dhclient.conf | 00:43 |
KatolaZ | you could also remove "domain-name-servers" from the "require" line in /etc/dhcp/dhclient.conf | 00:44 |
KatolaZ | but I find chattrs easy to remember | 00:44 |
KatolaZ | and to tinker with | 00:45 |
KatolaZ | I think it's "request" not "require" | 00:45 |
KatolaZ | yep | 00:45 |
KatolaZ | it's "request" | 00:45 |
underd0g | how do I chattr it back to imutable ? | 00:46 |
KatolaZ | chattr +i | 00:46 |
KatolaZ | but chattrs +a / chattr -a should be enough | 00:47 |
KatolaZ | chattr +a / chattr -a | 00:47 |
underd0g | I did -i to make it wiriteable | 00:47 |
underd0g | I want to reverse that | 00:47 |
KatolaZ | chattr +i | 00:48 |
underd0g | okay thx | 00:50 |
underd0g | I'll prolly forget this again | 00:50 |
KatolaZ | :) | 00:50 |
underd0g | bumped into a disk with my old lmde install the other day | 00:51 |
underd0g | there's things there that make it much more useable than devuan , yet as far as I can tell , it did not change to systemd after a full upgrade | 00:53 |
KatolaZ | underd0g: you should use whatever distro ypou like the most | 00:56 |
underd0g | I'll stick to devuan | 00:58 |
underd0g | just sayin | 00:58 |
underd0g | it's strange | 00:59 |
KatolaZ | what is strange? | 01:00 |
underd0g | you guys seem far more paranoid about certain things than they (mint folk) are | 01:00 |
underd0g | it's strange that lmde upgrade didn't leave me with systemd | 01:01 |
* KatolaZ shrugs | 01:01 | |
KatolaZ | I don't even know what lmde is :) | 01:01 |
underd0g | mint | 01:02 |
underd0g | but debian edition | 01:02 |
KatolaZ | underd0g: I stopped trying out distros around 2002 | 01:03 |
underd0g | I switched from red hat in maybe 2012 | 01:04 |
KatolaZ | I left RH in 2001... | 01:04 |
KatolaZ | or maybe 2002 | 01:04 |
underd0g | took me a while to accustom myself to debian | 01:04 |
KatolaZ | right after RH 8.0 came out | 01:04 |
underd0g | so I was on mint for a while | 01:04 |
KatolaZ | I see | 01:04 |
underd0g | but it's bloated with ubuntu shit | 01:06 |
underd0g | and mint had a debian edition | 01:06 |
underd0g | so I gave it a shot and sticked to it | 01:06 |
underd0g | switched to devuan only cus u guys have the guts to stand up against RH | 01:07 |
underd0g | RH and buntu are destroying linux | 01:07 |
KatolaZ | underd0g: I glimpsed that already when I left RH, back in 2001 | 01:08 |
KatolaZ | but I didn't imagine it would have gone that far, TBH | 01:08 |
underd0g | well , it has | 01:09 |
underd0g | don't think it will ever go back to being better | 01:09 |
underd0g | so if and when devuan shuts down , I'll become a bsd guy | 01:11 |
golinux | Huh!?? | 01:19 |
nacelle | there are other non-systemd linux than those | 01:23 |
* nacelle shrugs | 01:23 | |
nacelle | do 'em all | 01:23 |
nacelle | dont limit yerself | 01:23 |
nacelle | the relative cost of entry is low other than your time | 01:24 |
underd0g | it's not about systemd | 02:03 |
underd0g | it's about other shit red hat has rained upon linux too | 02:03 |
underd0g | like that ugly gnome | 02:04 |
DocScrutinizer05 | >>RH and buntu are destroying linux<< s/buntu/Canonical/ | 02:17 |
* Xenguy goes to the devuan web site in search for news (apparently I am not smart enough to be on a mailing list) | 03:29 | |
Xenguy | It's too bad, IMHO, that GNOME jumped the shark. I don't pretend to understand how that could happen. | 03:30 |
Xenguy | Heh, /topic | 03:32 |
Xenguy | Well I'm contemplating an upgrade from Jessie to ASCII | 03:38 |
Xenguy | Congratulations everyone, also | 03:38 |
Xenguy | Fantasique | 03:38 |
Xenguy | Fantastique | 03:38 |
Xenguy | Thanks also for continuing the i386 builds | 03:39 |
Xenguy | I must get it together and migrate to 64bit | 03:39 |
Xenguy | Instructions look simple here: https://devuan.org/os/documentation/dev1fanboy/upgrade-to-ascii | 03:41 |
EHeM | Migrating to proper AMD64 has gotten much better over the past few years, though is still an interesting process. | 03:59 |
* EHeM was dealing with such an issue due to a system image which had been through many updates over the years. | 03:59 | |
EHeM | Xenguy: An *olde* set of i386->AMD64 instructions is here, things have gotten much better, but some of the overall bits are similar: http://users.digitalkingdom.org/~rlpowell/hobbies/debian_arch_up/ | 04:04 |
EHeM | Xenguy: Instead, first do `dpkg --add-architecture amd64` then you more or less simply go through and tell APT/Aptitude/other to upgrade every i386 package to the AMD64 variant. | 04:06 |
EHeM | Xenguy: Those instructions are useful for packages which you want to hit first. Really, installing the AMD64 variant of dpkg, apt and your prefered manager (aptitude or other) should be first, then go through all non-library i386 packages and tell it to install the AMD64 variants and there shouldn't be any need for forcing, when you're done `dpkg --remove-architecture i386` should work. | 04:11 |
xrogaan | fsmithred: sorry about yesterday. Command is aptitude changelog PKGNAME | 04:17 |
fsmithred | was that yesterday? | 04:18 |
fsmithred | I did apt-get download pkg, then apt-listchanges pkg.deb | 04:18 |
xrogaan | yeah, apt-get changelog does work. Not aptitude though. | 04:19 |
EHeM | What is the current version of devuan-keyring? | 04:25 |
fsmithred | 2017.10.03 | 04:26 |
EHeM | Thanks! (okay, already on current) | 04:26 |
fsmithred | I'm updating to see if there's a newer one | 04:27 |
fsmithred | nope. That's the newest one. | 04:29 |
* tom13 ponders | 04:55 | |
EHeM | Devuan's apt package really should depend on devuan-archive-keyring instead of debian-archive-keyring... | 06:27 |
golinux | It does | 06:28 |
Xenguy | EHeM: fascinating, I had never heard it was possible to upgrade from 32 to 64 bit online like you describe | 06:28 |
golinux | For devuan packages. | 06:28 |
Xenguy | Thanks for the tip. It does sound like it could be a potentially major surgery, but I will look around for more information about this possibility | 06:29 |
EHeM | Back when that was written it wasn't supposed to be, now it isn't talked about much, but pretty well worked fine. | 06:29 |
golinux | But Devuan also pulls in pkgs from Debian so yes, you need that key. | 06:30 |
EHeM | When I did it to my server I had to go hunting i386 packages and manually telling apt to install the AMD64 versions of all the various executeable packages (this was distinctly painful since it immediately listed both as broken, so I had to manually tell it to remove the i386 version). | 06:31 |
Xenguy | Well I have an empty hard drive here anyway, so that's another way to accomplish this (I really need to verify my backups tho) | 06:36 |
EHeM | The mirror 131.188.12.211 which was in the us.deb.devuan.org round-robin was having trouble (gave 403 a few hours ago). | 08:00 |
lastaid | hello there. i was wondering if the embedded raspberry pi version of ascii is using the mainline or raspberry pi foundation kernel?! | 09:59 |
golinux | lastaid: Try #devuan-arm | 10:01 |
lastaid | golinux: will do | 10:02 |
EHeM | Well, I'll find out in a number of hours how much broke during the upgrade attempt... | 10:14 |
* tom13 points to devuan running fine and gives thumbs-up sign | 14:00 | |
cgdae | hello. does anyone know whether lilypond is available as a package on devuan ascii? i can't find it with apt search. | 14:12 |
KatolaZ | pkginfo.devuan.org | 14:13 |
buZz | anyone have an idea where i could find help using fbtft-device driver from Staging? :P | 14:14 |
KatolaZ | (lilypond is in ascii btw) | 14:14 |
tom13 | lilypond - program for typesetting sheet music | 14:14 |
cgdae | thanks. i installed devuan on may 10, so it's not official ascii release. it's odd, i have frescobaldi installed fine, and it needs lilypond. | 14:15 |
buZz | actually, my install tries to grab lilypond from stretch-backports | 14:16 |
buZz | oh! there's a ascii-backports now aswell? <3 | 14:17 |
buZz | sweet | 14:17 |
cgdae | my /etc/issue has 'Devuan GNU/Linux ascii/ceres'. do i need to add something to /etc/apt/sources.list? | 14:17 |
KatolaZ | buZz: there has always been.... | 14:17 |
tom13 | who does all this work making sure systemd dependencies are pulled-out | 14:17 |
buZz | KatolaZ: well, TIL :P | 14:18 |
tom13 | can i send them a beer | 14:18 |
KatolaZ | cgdae: apt-cache polict lilypond | 14:18 |
buZz | tom13: haha yes you can! | 14:18 |
buZz | 1mom | 14:18 |
KatolaZ | cgdae: apt-cache policy lilypond | 14:18 |
buZz | tom13: https://devuan.org/os/donate | 14:18 |
KatolaZ | cgdae: which repos do you have in sources.list? | 14:18 |
buZz | for the value of a beer, bitcoin is probably the cheapest method to donate | 14:19 |
tom13 | i thought bitcoin fees were high now | 14:19 |
cgdae | I have: deb http://gb.deb.devuan.org/merged ascii main non-free contrib, deb-src http://gb.deb.devuan.org/merged ascii main non-free contrib, deb http://gb.deb.devuan.org/merged ascii-security main non-free contrib, deb-src http://gb.deb.devuan.org/merged ascii-security main non-free contrib | 14:19 |
buZz | they have been high briefly during november | 14:20 |
buZz | currently , 0.01 usd is a typical fee | 14:20 |
cgdae | apt-cache policy lilypond says: lilypond: Installed: (none), Candidate: (none), Version table: | 14:20 |
KatolaZ | cgdae: you need to add ascii-backports | 14:20 |
KatolaZ | cgdae: pkginfo.devuan.org | 14:20 |
tom13 | donated. no beer for me this week. | 14:21 |
cgdae | KatolaZ: thanks, will try that. | 14:21 |
buZz | :) | 14:21 |
buZz | cgdae: > deb https://pkgmaster.devuan.org/merged/ ascii-backports main contrib non-free | 14:21 |
buZz | fyi | 14:21 |
buZz | or whichever mirror you use ;) | 14:22 |
topro | Hi there, first of all congratulations to the 2.0 ascii milestone! | 14:27 |
cgdae | buZz: thanks for that - i'm always hazy about syntax of sources.list. it works - i now have lilypond! thanks for the help, much appreciated. | 14:28 |
buZz | \o/ | 14:28 |
topro | I'm trying to upgrade a kde desktop machine from devuan jessie to devuan ascii. | 14:29 |
topro | dist-upgrade gives me a conflict I'm not able to solve... | 14:29 |
KatolaZ | topro: do you have only devuan repos? | 14:29 |
topro | well, there is a ceph repo and a private one but none of them should add any packages that cause that kind of trouble | 14:30 |
KatolaZ | topro: which is the package in question? | 14:31 |
topro | KatolaZ: https://paste.debian.net/1028767/ | 14:32 |
KatolaZ | topro: you should use | 14:33 |
KatolaZ | apt full-upgrade | 14:34 |
topro | thought that is a synonym to dist-upgrade ? | 14:34 |
KatolaZ | dunno | 14:34 |
KatolaZ | :D | 14:34 |
topro | yes it is. just tried with same result | 14:34 |
KatolaZ | that's strange | 14:36 |
KatolaZ | you might try to remove kscreen and then reinstall it afterwards? | 14:36 |
KatolaZ | is this the only dependency problem? | 14:36 |
KatolaZ | topro: apt-cache policy libkf5screen-bin | 14:36 |
KatolaZ | (pls) | 14:36 |
topro | removing kscreen removes close to EVERYTHING desktop related. | 14:37 |
topro | thats what I'm tying to avoid | 14:37 |
KatolaZ | topro: ^^^ | 14:37 |
tom13 | there's always rm ;) | 14:37 |
parazyd | It should be possible to forcefully remove the package with dpkg. | 14:37 |
parazyd | Without removing the rest, I mena. | 14:38 |
parazyd | s,mena,mean, | 14:38 |
KatolaZ | it should not be necessary | 14:38 |
KatolaZ | topro: how comes that you have libkf5screen installed? | 14:39 |
KatolaZ | that one is not in jessie | 14:39 |
KatolaZ | anywhere | 14:39 |
KatolaZ | https://pkginfo.devuan.org/cgi-bin/d1pkgweb-query?search=libkf5scre&release=any | 14:39 |
KatolaZ | topro: apt-cache policy libkf5screen-bin | 14:40 |
KatolaZ | (pls) | 14:40 |
parazyd | KatolaZ: I don't think that's the issue. He has kscreen that would break with installing libkf5screen | 14:41 |
KatolaZ | nope parazyd | 14:41 |
KatolaZ | he has a vcersion of libkf5screen that is not in jessie | 14:41 |
KatolaZ | AFAIU | 14:42 |
topro | KatolaZ: https://paste.debian.net/1028768/ | 14:44 |
KatolaZ | topro: why are you using the /devuan repo? | 14:45 |
KatolaZ | it's /merged | 14:45 |
KatolaZ | not /devuan | 14:45 |
topro | well, thats a local mirror at our place as you can see fro m the url, it mirrors /merged | 14:46 |
KatolaZ | if you are sure it does that correctly... | 14:46 |
KatolaZ | :) | 14:46 |
KatolaZ | topro: apt-cache policy kscreen | 14:47 |
topro | KatolaZ: deb-amd64 http://auto.mirror.devuan.org/merged ascii main contrib non-free | 14:48 |
KatolaZ | no topro | 14:48 |
topro | thats the url we are mirroring | 14:48 |
KatolaZ | you shouln't mirror auto.mirror.devuan.org | 14:48 |
KatolaZ | you should use deb.devuan.org | 14:48 |
topro | when did that change? | 14:49 |
KatolaZ | with ASCII | 14:49 |
KatolaZ | :) | 14:49 |
topro | oh well then... | 14:49 |
KatolaZ | it's in the Release Notes | 14:49 |
KatolaZ | (dunno if the problem is there though) | 14:49 |
topro | let me see... | 14:49 |
KatolaZ | (just saying, since auto.mirror will eventually be discontinued) | 14:49 |
topro | so deb.devuan.org/merged ? | 14:49 |
KatolaZ | yep | 14:49 |
topro | I'll try... | 14:49 |
KatolaZ | (again, maybe this is not the problem) | 14:50 |
KatolaZ | topro: what if you just `apt-get install kscreen=4:5.8.5-2` | 14:51 |
topro | KatolaZ: you already solved it :/ deb.devuan.org seems to do the trick... | 14:52 |
topro | 1873 upgraded, 897 newly installed, 107 to remove and 0 not upgraded. | 14:52 |
KatolaZ | :) | 14:53 |
topro | thank you very much | 14:53 |
KatolaZ | np | 14:53 |
topro | will have to rebuild my mirror. apt-mirror takes ages whenever you change the url :/ | 14:53 |
buZz | topro: i use aptcacheNG at home | 14:54 |
buZz | much simpler, no need to pre-download stuff | 14:54 |
buZz | 1 time grabbing the packages offers them to all my nodes at home through the cache | 14:55 |
topro | buZz: could be a viable solution, will have a look. thx | 14:55 |
buZz | topro: benefit is , it allows you to mix various distros aswel | 14:55 |
buZz | i have some debian nodes aswell, which can just use the same cache | 14:56 |
filip | hey is anybody there? | 14:59 |
tom13 | ty buZz - interesting utility | 14:59 |
tom13 | filip: no | 14:59 |
buZz | tom13: welcome \o | 14:59 |
buZz | tom13: i run ~30 LXC systems at home, i suffered 'install same updates 30 times' couple too many times ;) | 14:59 |
buZz | eh | 14:59 |
filip | i have two issues with my freshly installed devuan the first one is how can i access bluetooth i have packages bluez and bluetooth downloaded but cant seem to find bluetooth settings on my system another issue is i wanna edit sources.info using vi command and i know how to edit it but dunno how to save and quit and how to edit text files as root as well pls help :( | 15:00 |
buZz | 'download same updates 30 times' | 15:00 |
buZz | :D | 15:00 |
buZz | filip: bluetoothctl in terminal like every other distro? | 15:00 |
topro | can I use deb.devuan.org for jessie as well? | 15:00 |
filip | oh yeah and what i do lol | 15:00 |
buZz | vi 'save and quit' is 'escape :wq enter' | 15:00 |
filip | whats :wq? | 15:00 |
buZz | 3 keys on your keyboard | 15:01 |
buZz | press em after each other | 15:01 |
buZz | filip: why not use nano ? its installed by default and has much easier working | 15:01 |
filip | and whats nano?? :< | 15:01 |
buZz | vi is nice, but kinda hardcore | 15:01 |
buZz | nano is another texteditor | 15:01 |
buZz | a simpler one | 15:01 |
filip | nano edit? | 15:01 |
buZz | just 'nano' | 15:01 |
buZz | nano /etc/apt/sources.list | 15:02 |
filip | ok ill have a look what about my bluetooth i wanna download some pics from my nokia e72 on bluetooth but dont know | 15:02 |
buZz | ctrl-x to exit | 15:02 |
buZz | wow e72 :D nice retrophone | 15:02 |
buZz | 100 points to you | 15:02 |
buZz | i'm not too sure about OBEX support for bluetooth | 15:03 |
filip | yeah i love this phone, not fan of touch-screen smartphones xD | 15:03 |
buZz | that stuff is always so vague | 15:03 |
buZz | filip: huh, e72 has touchscreen, doesnt it? | 15:03 |
filip | i previously had KDE installed devuan and i had bluetooth menager there | 15:03 |
filip | just the button in the middle is on touch screen is not touch | 15:03 |
buZz | yeah many desktop environments have bluetooth tools | 15:03 |
filip | okay yeah nano omg i need to remember this command | 15:04 |
filip | okay done | 15:04 |
buZz | :) | 15:04 |
filip | thanks :> | 15:04 |
buZz | there is a commandline tool called 'obexftp' which might do what you need for those photos | 15:04 |
buZz | ( i just noticed this on https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=45319 ) | 15:05 |
filip | bash: obexftp: command not found | 15:07 |
buZz | sudo apt install obexftp | 15:07 |
buZz | ;) | 15:07 |
filip | yeah i use default devuan desktop | 15:07 |
buZz | never installed that :P | 15:07 |
buZz | 'obexfs' in devuan repo seems to allow even mounting the phone as filesystem :) | 15:08 |
filip | filipdevuan is not in the sudoers file. This incident will be reported. | 15:08 |
buZz | hehe | 15:08 |
filip | iv had that issue for a while i dont know why cant use sudo | 15:08 |
buZz | sudo usermod -aG sudo filipdevuan | 15:08 |
buZz | oh eh, become root first ;) | 15:08 |
buZz | then > usermod -aG sudo filipdevuan | 15:08 |
buZz | (then reboot computer) | 15:08 |
filip | okay see you in a bit *rebooting* :D | 15:09 |
buZz | i'll be here ^_^ | 15:09 |
* tom13 is gonna run devuan on the Dragonbox Pyra | 15:11 | |
buZz | tom13: ha, i have one pre-ordered aswell :D | 15:12 |
tom13 | i think we might get them this year | 15:12 |
buZz | yeah, my guess is christmas :P | 15:13 |
tom13 | why do you have so many computers at home buZz | 15:13 |
buZz | tom13: this year, i decided to go make my own linux portable , to 'race EvilDragon' | 15:13 |
buZz | :P | 15:13 |
buZz | lol no clue tom13 , guess i'm just a nerd ;) | 15:13 |
buZz | the LXC containers you mean? they're almost all running blockchain fullnodes | 15:13 |
buZz | its my 'bank' ;) | 15:14 |
tom13 | oh they are containers | 15:14 |
tom13 | i didn't know LXC | 15:14 |
buZz | LXC is like docker but less dumb | 15:14 |
buZz | :P | 15:14 |
tom13 | should i be running firefox in some kind of container / jail? | 15:14 |
tom13 | firejail is broken here | 15:15 |
buZz | tom13: just dont shit where you eat ;) | 15:15 |
tom13 | got it | 15:15 |
filipdevuan | okay im back but i forgot why i rebooted | 15:15 |
buZz | dont have valuable stuff on the computer you use for webbrowsing | 15:15 |
buZz | filipdevuan: to get sudo | 15:15 |
buZz | check 'id' in terminal | 15:15 |
filipdevuan | ohh ok to get bluietooth? | 15:15 |
filipdevuan | ok | 15:15 |
buZz | you should have sudo now | 15:15 |
filipdevuan | yeah (27)sudo? | 15:16 |
tom13 | filipdevuan: i have e71 and e72 and the e71 has nicer build quality. but a stupid headphone jack | 15:16 |
buZz | i used to use e61 , i think | 15:16 |
buZz | or e61i perhaps | 15:17 |
buZz | yeah, e61i | 15:17 |
tom13 | what do you use now | 15:17 |
buZz | hehe, back in those day i had 'no limit, max speed' simcards paid by my boss :D | 15:17 |
buZz | tom13: i stopped using GSM | 15:17 |
buZz | i realized the service was not ment for users | 15:18 |
tom13 | so, just LTE or what | 15:18 |
buZz | just wifi | 15:18 |
filipdevuan | how can i run bluez program for bluetooth?? | 15:18 |
buZz | filipdevuan: thats not a program , did you try installing obexftp? | 15:18 |
tom13 | did you have a N900? | 15:18 |
filipdevuan | oh no so its install sudo obexftp? | 15:18 |
buZz | yeah, i have a pile of n900s | 15:18 |
filipdevuan | okay i have this topic saved | 15:18 |
filipdevuan | ill have look | 15:18 |
buZz | never used them with a simcard though :P | 15:18 |
* tom13 also has a pile of n900s | 15:19 | |
buZz | filipdevuan: sudo apt install obexftp | 15:19 |
buZz | tom13: they run native devuan nowadays :P | 15:19 |
tom13 | i will have to try that | 15:19 |
topro | now I feel mainstream with only a single n900 | 15:19 |
buZz | tom13: oh but, 15:13:27 < buZz> tom13: this year, i decided to go make my own linux portable , to 'race EvilDragon' | 15:19 |
buZz | but, sadly, i won | 15:19 |
buZz | my portable build is now working | 15:19 |
buZz | https://nurdspace.nl/Webpotato | 15:19 |
filipdevuan | okay its installing | 15:19 |
buZz | not running devuan yet though, there's no sunxi64 image of devuan atm | 15:20 |
tom13 | brilliant buZz | 15:21 |
buZz | also, i hate devicetree with a passion :( | 15:21 |
buZz | such annoying stuff | 15:21 |
tom13 | https://www.devicetree.org/ just reading for the first time // seems like a sensible idea? | 15:22 |
tom13 | by the way topro you can run linux on the Droid 4 (xt894) for an 'upgraded n900' | 15:23 |
topro | I just recently stumbled upon droid 4, didn't know it existed. but "upgraded" is still quite legacy nowadays... | 15:24 |
filipdevuan | oh my god how can i send pics from my nokia to xfce devuan using bluetooth!!!! | 15:24 |
topro | filipdevuan: does it have to be bluetooth? | 15:24 |
_stephen_ | Is that a rubber band holding your "portable" together? buZz | 15:25 |
filipdevuan | actually not sure but im having problems with connecting my nokia to wifi and my laptop doesnt detect my nokia through usb :( | 15:25 |
tom13 | topro: 4x RAM and 4x CPU compared to stock N900.. 1080p video. Much better keyboard. | 15:25 |
topro | well, I got used to 4G, Qi charging, water resistant, barometric sensor, ... ;) | 15:26 |
tom13 | Qi? | 15:27 |
topro | wireless charing | 15:27 |
buZz | _stephen_: correct :P i havent ready enough 'design guides for plastics' to fully understand 'snap-fit pins' | 15:27 |
buZz | but, i'll get there before i release that casedesign to the people | 15:28 |
topro | tom13: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qi_(standard) | 15:28 |
buZz | _stephen_: also, the case is like '1 size too small tshirt' for the stuff thats inside ;) | 15:28 |
buZz | need to learn to design to give myself more space :P | 15:28 |
tom13 | websites should run on a 200mhz cpu, by law. | 15:34 |
tom13 | maybe the law should be that any text content should be served optionally with plain html | 15:35 |
tom13 | for blind people, for e.g. | 15:35 |
tom13 | what is the problem with devicetree buZz ? | 15:37 |
KatolaZ | no tom13 | 15:37 |
koollman | tom13: there are laws for that. They are usually not applied, or applicable only to a subset of services (typically, government/public services must have accessible stuff) | 15:37 |
KatolaZ | broswers should work on a 200Mhz CPU by law... | 15:37 |
buZz | tom13: its a ridiculous mess | 15:37 |
tom13 | not a good idea KatolaZ ? | 15:38 |
KatolaZ | when your browser runs on a 200Mhz CPU, you appreciate the meaning of 'information' vs 'garbage' | 15:38 |
buZz | i want SPI support, but for a -kernel- driver, but , only way to get that is to enable -USERSPACE- SPI support which then fails to init | 15:38 |
tom13 | yes yes | 15:38 |
KatolaZ | oh | 15:38 |
KatolaZ | you said websites | 15:38 |
buZz | so, devicetree requires me to create errors, just to have normal functionality | 15:38 |
KatolaZ | I thought you meant the server :) | 15:38 |
KatolaZ | sorry | 15:39 |
tom13 | sorry for confusion | 15:39 |
KatolaZ | eheheh | 15:39 |
tom13 | let's build a portable with a physically seperate RAM+CPU+javascript engine that only can accept clicks and keyboard, and serve a bitmap as output to the display server | 15:42 |
tom13 | sorry, far offtopic. i stop. | 15:42 |
buZz | rofl | 15:48 |
buZz | you wanna physically seperate RAM and CPU? | 15:48 |
buZz | good luck :P | 15:48 |
buZz | oh, for running a browser seperated from your OS? | 15:49 |
buZz | ever heard of virtualbox? :P | 15:49 |
tom13 | this could be done over usb i guess | 15:56 |
_stephen_ | Damnit, snapd needs systemd... forget that nonsense. | 15:56 |
tom13 | what's the smallest SBC that can render a webpage fast (faster than a RPI) | 15:56 |
tom13 | https://github.com/snapcore i still don't understand what snap is for | 15:58 |
buZz | tom13: sure. g_ether to a pi-zero | 16:00 |
buZz | oh | 16:00 |
buZz | faster than a pi .. hmm , CHIP is a bit faster | 16:01 |
buZz | but unpurchasable now | 16:01 |
buZz | tom13: how about http://www.friendlyarm.com/index.php?route=product/product&path=69&product_id=197 | 16:01 |
buZz | but low on ram , most ARM boards are | 16:01 |
tom13 | buZz: i have not gotten usably fast + secure browser on pi3... except non-js ones like dillo | 16:01 |
buZz | no clue what 'secure' means for a browser, but chromium works fine? | 16:02 |
buZz | make sure to run 64bit OS on pi3 though | 16:02 |
buZz | 32bit is slow af | 16:02 |
tom13 | i have not seen any benchmarks showing speed gain with 64bit on pi3 | 16:02 |
buZz | try cpumining ;) | 16:02 |
tom13 | except for one synthetic benchmark | 16:02 |
tom13 | can you crosscompile for pi3 | 16:03 |
buZz | yes, gcc still exists | 16:03 |
buZz | ? | 16:03 |
buZz | what do you mean | 16:03 |
tom13 | maybe ptitseb's palemoon would be faster than firefox | 16:04 |
buZz | ptitseb's version of anything is highly optimized yeah :P | 16:04 |
tom13 | a planet of justice would make a statue of him in his hometown | 16:05 |
buZz | :) | 16:05 |
buZz | no clue where he's from , poland? | 16:05 |
buZz | ah, france | 16:06 |
tom13 | france i think | 16:06 |
buZz | https://github.com/ptitSeb | 16:06 |
buZz | pandora as his avatar :D | 16:06 |
tom13 | ok i try to fix retroarch for my phone | 16:07 |
tom13 | be useful | 16:07 |
buZz | \o/ | 16:07 |
_stephen_ | checked out ptitseb github... discovered barony was open sourced in 2016, and ptitseb made it work with opengles... I have to try this on my devuan tinkerboard... | 16:17 |
buZz | _stephen_: he's legendary in the 'retro / emulation' corner | 16:19 |
filipdevuan | okay i still wonder if i can get bluetooth manager for devuan xfce... | 16:23 |
filipdevuan | okay got it i downloaded some packages, easy!! :P | 16:36 |
jguillen | hi, noob question. How can I enable wicd so wicd-client ,loads with gui everytim ? | 17:07 |
tom13 | you want the gui to launch on login to X server? | 17:11 |
tom13 | there's no 'wicd' command for the user | 17:11 |
jguillen | finnally managed to do it | 17:14 |
jguillen | update-rc.d wicd defaults | 17:14 |
jguillen | so wicd-client will launch when entering GUI | 17:14 |
jguillen | thanks anyway :) | 17:14 |
filipdevuan | hey is devuan downloading newest nvidia drivers using xfce or i should update them or even install them manually? | 17:28 |
tom13 | i can not get the nvidia working | 17:38 |
tom13 | intel hd is fine tho | 17:38 |
KatolaZ | tom13, filipdevuan there are threads about nvidia drivers on dev1galaxy.org | 17:38 |
tom13 | ty | 17:38 |
filipdevuan | ok ill have a look cheers | 17:38 |
filipdevuan | could u give me exact link please i have free drivers nvidia are nonfree so maybe ill stay with free drivers | 17:39 |
_abc_ | Hi. fsmithred? | 19:27 |
_abc_ | I have almost everything working but the live persistence mount is not ok, it leaves the persistence volume umounted dirty at the end of the session. This could be fixed from inside persistence but I need a hint if you have an idea how to go about it. | 19:28 |
_abc_ | fsmithred: live-boot options nofastboot seems to imply that using this enables fsck on boot. | 19:52 |
_abc_ | fsmithred: where in the running system are there variables which indicate one has booted from live media and persistence? Apart from /proc/cmdline ? | 19:55 |
_abc_ | This channel seems to be dead. Too early? Bad day? | 20:04 |
muep_ | it's not dead, just smaller than some other channels | 20:06 |
tom13 | devuan works too well | 20:06 |
_abc_ | tom13: hush, this brings bad luck | 20:08 |
tom13 | you know how in the early days of cars, people could maintain and repair their car, but no-longer so much today? i fear computing will be like that | 20:09 |
_abc_ | tom13: that's why you switch to devuan before switching to freebsd etc ;) | 20:09 |
muep_ | I feel computing is just becoming a bigger mess all the time | 20:09 |
_abc_ | my initrd.img on live contains only kernel microcode. Hmm | 20:09 |
_abc_ | muep_: yes but there are cleaner areas to it | 20:10 |
muep_ | yes | 20:10 |
_abc_ | (we are in a cleaner area of it now) | 20:10 |
KatolaZ | _abc_: it just seems that nobody has the kind of problems you experience :D | 20:14 |
_abc_ | cpio -i </lib/live/mount/rootfs/filesystem.squashfs/boot/initrd.img-4.9.0-6-686 yields just kernel microcode in the initrd?! | 20:16 |
_abc_ | 32MB initrd yields 12 kBytes of microcode?! | 20:16 |
_abc_ | Something is not right | 20:17 |
_abc_ | is cpio -i <initrd.img the correct command to temp unpack the initrd? | 20:17 |
KatolaZ | _abc_: your initrs is not there | 20:19 |
KatolaZ | is in the syslinux folder | 20:19 |
KatolaZ | most probably | 20:19 |
bozonius2 | congrads on the release of ascii. Sorry I was not able to keep up with the testing. Good news is I will have test box in a short time. I will be happy to set up tests there. Thank you for creating and supporting cysticd-free Linux!!! | 20:19 |
KatolaZ | if that was the case, you wouldn't be able to boot | 20:19 |
_abc_ | great /etc/init.d/rc runs /lib/startpar/startpar -v ; where -v is not documented as an option in the manpage | 20:31 |
_abc_ | (even if CONCURRENCY="none" at that point in the script) | 20:32 |
_abc_ | https://github.com/torvalds/linux it scares me that this are belong to microsoft now | 20:43 |
muep_ | microsoft was free to distribute linux source code before as well | 20:44 |
_abc_ | you mean embrace and extend? | 20:44 |
muep_ | nope, but that too | 20:45 |
_abc_ | I don't understand where the script is, which mounts the overlayfs in a live system. Inside the kernel? | 20:45 |
KatolaZ | _abc_: which overlays? | 20:50 |
KatolaZ | the / partition? | 20:50 |
_abc_ | live fs's overlay union etc | 20:50 |
_abc_ | https://github.com/torvalds/linux/tree/master/Documentation/early-userspace reading | 20:51 |
_abc_ | man live-boot and /bin/live-boot are useful reading | 21:02 |
fugitive | hey guys! just dropped by, to say thanks for ascii stable, and kudos for devs ;-) Rock on. | 21:32 |
Wonka | sometimes, I wonder a bit about stuff... why is there a newer base-files in testing than in unstable? | 21:44 |
Wonka | _abc_: just for the records, https://github.com/torvalds/linux is just another distribution channel to Linus. Work happens on kernel.org. | 21:45 |
Wonka | E: Repository 'http://pkgmaster.devuan.org/merged ascii InRelease' changed its 'Suite' value from 'testing' to 'stable' | 21:46 |
Wonka | why is that an error now? | 21:46 |
_abc_ | /lib/live/boot/9990-misc-helpers.sh makes for interesting reading fsmithred -- and is the place where one can start to think about adding a fsck before mounting? | 21:52 |
* _abc_ leaves for tonight, hoping the intended recipient will read the above in his logs ;) | 21:53 | |
tse | well I'm leaving for the day as well, but, just like fugitive, just wanted to congratulate you guys on the release :) | 23:42 |
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