| Wonka | KatolaZ: thanks for the explanation, but I know how HTTP works, and especially how hosting more than one domain per IP works. I had actually had aptitude download packages from deb.devuan.org and got an error message that a gcc-related package was not found on deb.devuan.org [195.85.215.251]. While looking into that, I got a 302 to debian.ipacct.com. And other funny stuff happened. | 00:05 |
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| bpmedley | Howdy! My devuan ascii upgrade was basically perfect. Only issue is that I had to add myself to the "input" group so the mouse worked in X. | 00:33 |
| desperateanon | Hey. I really need help. I am trying to get IOMMU working on my Devuan ASCII install, but it just won't work for some reason. I can't figure it out. VT-d to the best of my knowledge is working, so it's just IOMMU that's the odd man out here. intel_iommu=on is enabled in the grub bootloader. For some clarification, my grub boots from an old debian install on the same disk if that makes a difference. initramfs is set to load all m | 01:11 |
| desperateanon | excuse me, old ubuntu install | 01:12 |
| desperateanon_ | i probably confused a bunch of people. okay VT-d (IOMMU) is NOT enabled. the VFIO drivers ARE being initialized. Apologies for the confusion. | 01:35 |
| Wonka | I have them all the time... | 01:55 |
| Wonka | E: Failed to fetch http://deb.devuan.org/merged/pool/DEBIAN/main/p/pango1.0/libpango1.0-dev_1.42.1-1_amd64.deb: 404 Not Found [IP: 192.80.24.194 80]▒ | 01:55 |
| caioau | Hi anyone using devuan on raspberrypi? I use mine as headless server. thanks | 02:17 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Wonka: that's strange, my FF thinks the file is there and offers to store it | 02:24 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | http://192.80.24.194/merged/pool/DEBIAN/main/p/pango1.0/libpango1.0-dev_1.42.1-1_amd64.deb tries DL but says "stalled" | 02:28 |
| KatolaZ | Wonka: it must have been a temporary problem on the mirror then | 08:03 |
| Wonka | KatolaZ: hm. funny. | 11:12 |
| Wonka | KatolaZ: how are the mirrors updated? via debmirror scripts using rsync? | 11:12 |
| Wonka | KatolaZ: I have a feeling this could happen if the Packages etc files are updated before all .deb files are there. | 11:13 |
| Wonka | the debmirror scripts make sure first all new .deb files are there, then Packages, Releases and co, and then old .deb are deleted... | 11:13 |
| KatolaZ | Wonka: it must be a problem on the mirror side | 11:19 |
| KatolaZ | the DNS rr is bases on IPs not FQDN | 11:19 |
| KatolaZ | there is no way you can hit debian.ipacct.com by using deb.devuan.org | 11:20 |
| KatolaZ | unless ipacct.com changes their DNS record to let debian.ipacct.com point to the IP associated to devuan.ipacct.com | 11:21 |
| KatolaZ | but we haven't seen anything like that | 11:21 |
| divagante | hello people! you will be able to tell me with which tool or command I can manage the startup services in devuan? graphical or console. | 12:20 |
| gnarface | update-rc.d works | 12:21 |
| gnarface | ignore the part of the man page that says not to use it | 12:21 |
| gnarface | despite the admonition, it's never actually been changed | 12:21 |
| gnarface | *it has never | 12:22 |
| gnarface | really you could change the symlinks by hand too | 12:23 |
| gnarface | it's not very complicated | 12:23 |
| divagante | gnarface, tanks... update-rc.d "service" disable, for example? | 12:23 |
| gnarface | i think so | 12:23 |
| gnarface | something like that anyway | 12:24 |
| divagante | ok... mmm.. | 12:26 |
| gnarface | i do them by hand | 12:28 |
| divagante | its works! | 12:28 |
| gnarface | cool | 12:28 |
| divagante | current start runlevel (empty) of script 'apache2' overrides LBS defaults (2 3 4 5) | 12:29 |
| divagante | there was an update-rc in ncurses i remember now... but i don't know how to invoke it. | 12:29 |
| gnarface | there was this thing on redhat called ntsysv once upon a time | 12:36 |
| gnarface | i'm not seeing that in the repo though | 12:36 |
| gnarface | you'd think there would be something but i never really looked | 12:36 |
| gnarface | you can search the repo with a regexp with apt-cache though | 12:37 |
| divagante | tanks gnarface, I'm gonna go get him. | 12:45 |
| gnarface | if you figure out the name of it, let me know | 12:46 |
| divagante | apt-get install sysv-rc-conf | 12:49 |
| gnarface | oh, cool | 12:49 |
| gnarface | thanks | 12:49 |
| divagante | is not the one I used a few years ago. But I think it works anyway. | 12:50 |
| banshi | hello all | 15:13 |
| gnarface | hello | 15:14 |
| banshi | who knows, how to generate html from cflow output? | 15:15 |
| gnarface | sorry, not me | 15:17 |
| gnarface | did you check the man page? | 15:17 |
| banshi | yes | 15:19 |
| banshi | nothing about html in man | 15:19 |
| gnarface | hmmm | 15:21 |
| gnarface | the program homepage mentions that it comes with an emacs major mode for the output | 15:22 |
| gnarface | i wonder if that could do it | 15:22 |
| gnarface | i mean i wonder if it does it | 15:22 |
| gnarface | i know it would be possible | 15:22 |
| sixwheeledbeast^ | "Future versions of cflow will offer more output formats, including XML and HTML outputs. Currently, you can use VCG tool" | 15:24 |
| banshi | I can't understand... why such cool tools aren't in debian/devuan repos? cflow is in repo, but where is cflow2vcg? | 15:29 |
| gnarface | i can't tell you, but the packages will be the same as in debian, with the exception of a few that depend on systemd too strongly (http://deb.devuan.org/bannedpackages.txt) | 15:31 |
| gnarface | cflow isn't one of those, so if you're expecting it in debian, maybe it's in non-free for some reason? | 15:32 |
| gnarface | and maybe you've also forgot to enable non-free? | 15:32 |
| gnarface | or contrib? | 15:32 |
| banshi | cflow is in repo. I've installed it just typing 'apt-get install cflow' | 15:34 |
| gnarface | `apt-cache search cflow` | 15:34 |
| gnarface | maybe it's in one of the other packages, if it's not in the cflow package? | 15:34 |
| KatolaZ | pkginfo.devuan.org | 15:48 |
| KatolaZ | https://pkginfo.devuan.org/cgi-bin/d1pkgweb-query?search=cflow&release=any | 15:49 |
| sixwheeledbeast^ | seems be distributed via sourceforge | 15:51 |
| KatolaZ | sixwheeledbeast^: what? | 15:52 |
| sixwheeledbeast^ | http://cflow2vcg.sourceforge.net/ | 15:52 |
| KatolaZ | cflow? | 15:52 |
| KatolaZ | it's in devuan | 15:52 |
| sixwheeledbeast^ | cflow2vcg | 15:52 |
| banshi | sixwheeledbeast^, what? | 16:11 |
| msiism | KatolaZ: i've downloaded the source package of devuan's d-i. where can i find info on what filesystems the installer supports (which file)? | 16:18 |
| KatolaZ | msiism: ? | 16:32 |
| msiism | KatolaZ: it's probably not a question of d-i itself, but of the kernel. i'm just trying to find out which file systems i could select through the installer. that's all. | 16:35 |
| KatolaZ | oh ok | 16:39 |
| KatolaZ | msiism: as you know, d-i is not just one package | 16:39 |
| KatolaZ | but something like 50-60 separate components | 16:39 |
| KatolaZ | the debian-installer package is the one which is in charge of putting all of them together in an image/tar.gz | 16:40 |
| KatolaZ | so you won't find much information in the debian-installer package | 16:40 |
| msiism | KatolaZ: ok, i didn't know that. but now i do :) | 16:40 |
| KatolaZ | I guess the package you need to look at is parted | 16:40 |
| KatolaZ | and in particular, the parted's udeb | 16:40 |
| KatolaZ | it's probably faster to spin a netinst, TBH | 16:41 |
| msiism | i was just thinking of that :) | 16:41 |
| msiism | yes, i mean, i can just have a look into the partitioning dialog and then abor the installation, right? | 16:41 |
| KatolaZ | yep | 16:42 |
| msiism | ok, i'll do that then. | 16:42 |
| Beerbelott | Hello | 18:05 |
| Beerbelott | Are there problems w/ elogind again? | 18:05 |
| Beerbelott | Cannot shutdown my PC through XFCE 'Shutdown' UI anymore... again | 18:05 |
| KatolaZ | Beerbelott: problems with elogind were solved between ASCII beta, ASCII RC, and ASCII Stable | 18:06 |
| Tuor | Devuan ascii on my production laptop. (I'm the testing guy, what is better then test in production ;) ) | 18:08 |
| Beerbelott | I am up-to-date on ASCII and I currently have this problem | 18:09 |
| Beerbelott | I remember having had it a long time ago | 18:09 |
| KatolaZ | Beerbelott: which login manager are you using? | 18:09 |
| Beerbelott | I applied a fix (switching some packages AFAIR) and now... this problem again | 18:10 |
| KatolaZ | Tuor: we will be soon start testing Beowulf :D | 18:10 |
| Beerbelott | dunno, I am using stock UI (XFCE) nothing customized How can I check that? | 18:10 |
| KatolaZ | Beerbelott: have you recently removed/installed other packages? | 18:10 |
| Beerbelott | I recently did upgrade + dist-upgrade yup to caatch up w/ ASCII release | 18:11 |
| KatolaZ | Beerbelott: if you are using XFCE, you should have consolekit and the corresponding libpolkit-1-backend | 18:12 |
| Beerbelott | http://paste.debian.net/1029919/ | 18:13 |
| Tuor | KatolaZ: I would love to use new stuff, but I have to work to, so on my production I need something more or less stable. Can't be fixing problems all day. ;) | 18:13 |
| Beerbelott | ii consolekit 0.4.6-6 amd64 framework for defining and tracking users, sessions and seats | 18:14 |
| Beerbelott | ii libpolkit-backend-consolekit-1-0:amd64 0.105-18+devuan2.11 amd64 PolicyKit backend API | 18:14 |
| Beerbelott | ii libpolkit-gobject-consolekit-1-0:amd64 0.105-18+devuan2.11 amd64 PolicyKit Authorization API | 18:14 |
| Beerbelott | KatolaZ: There you got my APT history + currently consolekit-related packages | 18:14 |
| Tuor | But I have to say: It works out of the box. No problem or bug encountered so far. (KDE) | 18:14 |
| Tuor | @devuan Thx for making this possible! | 18:15 |
| xrogaan | I got into a drawer and found an old DVD of Fedora Core 2. | 19:56 |
| xrogaan | 14 year old DVD. | 19:57 |
| * jonadab still has a CheapBytes CD of Debian 1.3.1 at home. | 19:58 | |
| xrogaan | The thing is, when you talk about Fedora Core with your fellow geeks, people might misunderstand and believe you are talking about Football Club. So they would try to listen and wonder "what is that talk in code, what are they sayin'?!" | 20:02 |
| jonadab | Now I have no idea what you're talking about. | 20:09 |
| ji-ef[m] | I seem to hit a bug with apt on Devuan ascii > beowulf migration. | 20:34 |
| ji-ef[m] | iftop says I'm DL from devuan server at about 750KB/s (the sole active connection) | 20:34 |
| ji-ef[m] | apt starts downloading full throttle, then after a while, the speed drops dracstically. But the connection to 151.101.120.204 is still displayed at fullspeed. | 20:36 |
| ji-ef[m] | I'm wondering if apt does not download multiple things at the same time. Either it's not displayed, or it downloads multiple times the same file... | 20:37 |
| Akuli | sometimes i wish apt could download and install the packages at the same time, so if i install 100 packages i wouldn't need to first wait until all of them are downloaded and then wait until all of them are installed | 20:38 |
| ji-ef[m] | Right now, it downloads some font package at about 75KB/s while iftop shows me a downloading speed of about 750KB/s from the devuan repository IP | 20:38 |
| ji-ef[m] | When I CTRL+C apt, then relaunch it, It starts downloading fullspeed, then after a while, drops again. | 20:39 |
| xrogaan | ji-ef[m]: check disk I/O. | 20:40 |
| ji-ef[m] | when apt starts, I see a lot of [Waiting for headers] flashing on the screen | 20:40 |
| xrogaan | you can use the `glances' software to monitor your system resources | 20:41 |
| ji-ef[m] | xrogaan: Can you give me some command, please ? | 20:41 |
| xrogaan | try this in a prompt: watch -t -n 0.1 iostat -d -t -y 5 1 | 20:43 |
| xrogaan | or glances | 20:43 |
| ji-ef[m] | (Can't install glances right now, I have broken packages -- updating to beowulf 😛) | 20:43 |
| xrogaan | the watch one then, with iftop in another prompt | 20:44 |
| ji-ef[m] | Heh found iotop 🙂Trying it now :p | 20:45 |
| ji-ef[m] | Thanks, I'll come back here when I get something =) | 20:45 |
| xrogaan | you don't really need iotop, just to see if your disk is busy writing when network stalls. | 20:46 |
| xrogaan | also iotop doesn't tell you which disk is busy, assuming you have more than one. | 20:47 |
| ji-ef[m] | Well Disks writes match whatever speed apt says | 20:50 |
| ji-ef[m] | iftop is still displaying full speed at devuan server | 20:50 |
| ji-ef[m] | also I get an error on watch cmd : sh: 1: iostat: not found | 20:54 |
| xrogaan | you don't have sysstat then? | 20:54 |
| ji-ef[m] | sysstat -- I'll check | 20:55 |
| xrogaan | Sorry, shouldn't have been a question. iostat is part of sysstat | 20:56 |
| ji-ef[m] | thanks, I installed sysstat 🙂 | 20:59 |
| ji-ef[m] | a bit hard to read from iostat, kB_written/s is fluctuating between nay and a few hundred ... | 21:01 |
| ji-ef[m] | Also, it happens with apt, apt-get and aptitude, I get that the underlying program between these 3 commands is the same... | 21:04 |
| ji-ef[m] | Well. downloading update packages is finished now... | 21:05 |
| xrogaan | maybe it's the mirror you are connecting to | 21:05 |
| xrogaan | try pkgmaster | 21:05 |
| xrogaan | wait, I don't know the proper url for the master | 21:06 |
| Beerbelott | Hello again :) | 21:06 |
| ji-ef[m] | I is already | 21:06 |
| xrogaan | yeah, it's pkgmaster.devuan.org | 21:06 |
| ji-ef[m] | it* | 21:06 |
| Beerbelott | I found the link to the old solution for the libpolkit trouble around shutdown & reboot doing the same as loggin off in UI: https://lists.dyne.org/lurker/message/20180214.123746.e89eaef8.en.html | 21:06 |
| ji-ef[m] | deb http://pkgmaster.devuan.org/merged/ beowulf main contrib non-free | 21:06 |
| Beerbelott | Unfortunately, this message in not available anymore. I wonder if anyone has a backup of it? | 21:07 |
| Beerbelott | It was even referenced in https://bugs.devuan.org/db/19/192.html | 21:07 |
| xrogaan | ji-ef[m]: I don't know then. Maybe pkgmaster is overloaded? | 21:07 |
| xrogaan | fsmithred may know more. | 21:07 |
| xrogaan | bandwidth of pkgmaster is 250Mb/s | 21:08 |
| ji-ef[m] | Yeah, but why the download speed reported by iftop? | 21:08 |
| Beerbelott | KatolaZ: | 21:08 |
| xrogaan | I don't know what "rate" means. | 21:09 |
| ji-ef[m] | also, the whole internet is slow down on my entire local network | 21:09 |
| ji-ef[m] | --not the local network speed, but clearly Internet access to all devices in my LAN | 21:10 |
| ji-ef[m] | this clearly means that the whole internet bandwidth is used... | 21:11 |
| xrogaan | ji-ef[m]: are you in bites or bytes? | 21:12 |
| xrogaan | ah, if it's local we can't help you :P | 21:12 |
| ji-ef[m] | (I'll log out of my KDE session, thanks for your support anyways ) | 21:12 |
| xrogaan | your ISP might be mad at you :) | 21:13 |
| ji-ef[m] | bYtes (iftop -BNnP) | 21:13 |
| ji-ef[m] | > ah, if it's local we can't help you | 21:14 |
| ji-ef[m] | well I wanted to point out that the whole internet BW was used to go to/from pkgmaster | 21:15 |
| xrogaan | well, if your local network is wonky (not your machine), then you need to catch your network admin and make sure he can't escape while you ask him/her questions. | 21:15 |
| ji-ef[m] | that actually was not reflected in apt DL speed ... | 21:15 |
| ji-ef[m] | (See ya later 🙂and Thanks again =) | 21:16 |
| logginghelp | Ayy | 21:39 |
| logginghelp | Devuan people | 21:39 |
| logginghelp | What's a good way of bringing all my logs into a database | 21:40 |
| logginghelp | transparently | 21:40 |
| underd0g | man , I made a total mess of my OS | 21:53 |
| fsmithred | Beerbelott, I think the information you need is in the ascii release notes | 22:15 |
| fsmithred | no, it's not. I'll get the link. | 22:16 |
| fsmithred | https://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?pid=8217#p8217 | 22:17 |
| Beerbelott | fsmithred: Thx a lot! Reading now | 22:18 |
| Beerbelott | I'll test that again on the problematic PC tomorrow | 22:19 |
| Beerbelott | Definitely odd to see that come back w/ stable Ascii... ;) | 22:20 |
| underd0g | hey fsmithred | 22:29 |
| underd0g | how's U | 22:29 |
| aitor | hi | 23:15 |
| underd0g | hi | 23:15 |
| aitor | usbmount is used in refracta, isn't it? | 23:16 |
| aitor | people are talking about it in the mailing list | 23:17 |
| Oldmoss | those small symbols in red and green with usb sign on | 23:17 |
| Oldmoss | yes, those are in refracta. Clickety | 23:18 |
| Oldmoss | i've only used refracta with xfce | 23:21 |
| aitor | i started warking on a GUI device manager depending on udisks | 23:21 |
| aitor | i removed the dependency on libsystemd0, but udisks still depends on dbus | 23:21 |
| aitor | pmount is the best alternative for now | 23:24 |
| aitor | i started developing a GUI for pmount in Gtk (not in Gtkmm) | 23:26 |
| fsmithred | hi aitor, hi underd0g | 23:30 |
| fsmithred | no, refracta uses pmount | 23:30 |
| fsmithred | maybe you're thinking of usbpmount, which is a yad frontend for pmount | 23:31 |
| aitor | hi, fsmithred | 23:31 |
| aitor | yes, i packaged yad for that: | 23:32 |
| aitor | http://packages.gnuinos.org/gnuinos/pool/main/y/yad/ | 23:32 |
| fsmithred | you made a gtk2 version? | 23:33 |
| aitor | i'm working on that, but yes, it'll be a gtk2 version | 23:34 |
| underd0g | hi fsmithred | 23:35 |
| underd0g | sup | 23:35 |
| Oldmoss | Sorry about that mistake, lack of knowledge on my side, fsmithred | 23:36 |
| aitor | i've been looking for a project combinating cmake with multilingual tools: gettext... | 23:38 |
| aitor | i remember and old discussion about cmake vs autotools... | 23:39 |
| aitor | in the mailing list | 23:39 |
| aitor | i remember roger leight talking about cmake and its use in the schroot project | 23:41 |
| gnu_srs | Beerbelott: You should not have any elogind* packages installed. | 23:42 |
| aitor | leigh* | 23:42 |
| aitor | the schroot project has both autotools and cmake tools: | 23:48 |
| aitor | https://github.com/mickybart/schroot | 23:48 |
| aitor | it uses the *.po files; so, it'll be useful for me | 23:50 |
| aitor | time to bed, see you tomorrow | 23:52 |
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