libera/#devuan/ Saturday, 2018-06-30

KatolaZxrogaan: try surf00:28
KatolaZsurf200:28
KatolaZit works00:28
KatolaZand it doesn't crash00:28
gnarface]BFG[: https://devuan.org/os/donate00:45
gnarface]BFG[: (i think they need mirrors and build hardware for obscure architectures more than they need metal but i'm sure anything is appreciated)00:48
gnarfacethe mirrors issue is particularly timely actually because now i've seen other people also complaining about the same throttling issue i've experienced going to pkgmaster.devuan.org00:50
gnarfacethe cross connects are being saturated or throttled00:51
gnarfaceat least to the US00:51
gnarfaceprobably other places too though00:51
bozonius2I can't get badblocks -- I tried enabling backports, no luck02:30
bozonius2(ascii testbox)02:31
bozonius2or is there a better tool?02:31
bozonius2(I'm open)02:31
bozonius2and when I say "tool" I mean software, not like a hammer02:32
bozonius2I think the disk might be OK02:32
bozonius2I want to test it to02:32
bozonius2thoroughly02:32
bozonius2nvm02:48
bozonius2for some reason, the first time I tried it, it said it did not find it02:49
bozonius2oh.  I thought that was also the package name, that's why I got confused.  e2fsprogs includes badblocks,and it is already installed, thank you02:50
golinuxgnarface: ping03:17
golinuxI wonder wherther the throttling has to do with the demise of Net Neutrality earlier this month.03:19
* Xenguy was sorry to read it ...03:19
golinuxWas out pruning and had this thought.  I'm surprised no one made the connection03:19
gnarfacegolinux: i dunno.  i wonder if it has to do with why my cellphone, internet, and satellite bills all went up by 5-15$ with no justification at the same time03:19
golinuxMaybe03:20
gnarfacegolinux: (according to my senator, this would make everything cheaper, so i wonder how much they paid him to betray himself)03:20
XenguyInternet -> TV03:20
gnarfaceXenguy: doesnt' matter, the same company owns all 3 for me now.03:21
gnarfaceescape velocity ~15,000 MPH03:21
XenguyDiversification, it seems, is a virtue03:21
golinuxDiversification is a thing of the past but wrong channel to spend much time on this here03:22
gnarfaceTHAT could be the cause of the raise in prices AND the cause of the throttling, as much as the striking down of net neutrality, because when one company owns all your communication lines there's nobody left to sue them03:22
XenguySee you in #thatotherchannel03:22
syco_:')03:38
grillonhi there07:23
syco_'lo07:23
grillonlo syco_07:25
bozonius2I'm running badblocks on a suspect hard disk on ascii (on my test box).  This disk is not in use by anything at the moment, so I am doing a destructive read-write (-w) test on it.09:16
bozonius2I have htop running, and I notice that badblocks process state keeps switching back and forth between 'R' (running) and 'D' (zombie?) state.09:17
bozonius2It doesn't stop or appear to have any issue.  But I am wondering why badblocks would go into zombie state -- is this due to the nature of what it is doing, writing and reading disk blocks?09:18
bozonius2it's just curious that is all.09:18
Jjp137bozonius2, according to man htop (and man top says something similar), D actually stands for 'disk sleep (uninterruptable)', so from what I read (I'm not really knowledgeable about this at all), it's probably briefly sleeping waiting for disk I/O09:32
ivanshmakovbozonius2: ‘Zombie’ is ‘Z’ (and it means just that the process has finished, but its parent has not yet received its exit code.) ‘D’ means that the process waits for the kernel (syscall.) Hence, having the process switch between R and D is perfectly normal for an IO-intensive process. Were the process to hang in that state – that’d be suspicious.09:45
ivanshmakov(‘Disk sleep’ also sounds sensible.)09:47
bozonius2sorry, I was reading the key for a different program; htop uses its own09:55
bozonius2I am familiar with zombies vs disk sleep09:55
bozonius2it makes sense since badblocks is doing a lot of disk sleep09:56
Gupso, how does devuan handle /etc/rc.local?  i've added a few commands to it but its not executed on startup13:15
gnarfaceyou have to add a package13:15
gnarfacei think13:16
gnarfacecalled initscripts13:16
Gupinitscripts is already instlled13:18
gnarfacetroubling13:18
Gupthe /etc/rc.local file exists too, its chmod +x13:18
gnarfacewas it pre-populated?13:18
Gupi ran update-rc.d rc.local enable but it still doesnt run13:18
Gupyeah it just had shebang and exit 013:19
gnarfacecould there be a syntax error in what you added?13:19
gnarfacehave you tried to make it log something to be sure?13:19
Gupruns fine manually13:20
gnarfacehmmm13:20
gnarfacethe symlinks after you ran update-rc.d, did you check them too?13:20
gnarface ls -l /etc/rc?.d/*local*13:21
gnarfacejust as a sanity check13:21
gnarfaceit has been working for me13:22
gnarfacehmmm13:22
Gupyep, in 2,3,4,5 linking to ../init.d/rc.local13:23
Guphmm, i'll try adding a log to it13:23
gnarfacethe symlinks start with "S" not "K", right?13:23
gnarfacemine are all named S05rc.local13:24
gnarfacethe number part doesn't matter much though13:24
Gupyep, /etc/rc2.d/S04rc.local -> ../init.d/rc.local13:24
gnarfacehmmm. that definitely should be working.  i wonder what has happened.13:24
gnarfacei do recall there was a regression, it had been pulled from upstream at one point, i thought it got fixed thoguh13:25
Gupits another service that depends on it, maybe its starting in the wrong order13:25
Gupis service startup during boot logged somewhere?13:25
gnarfacerc.local should be starting very last but hard to say13:25
gnarfacemaybe that's what changed13:25
Gupits for redis-server13:26
Gupso if rc.local is starting last, then thats too late13:26
gnarfacehmm, but you said it works fine if you run it manually?13:26
Gupanywhere better to put this:13:26
Gupecho never > /sys/kernel/mm/transparent_hugepage/enabled13:26
Gupsysctl -w net.core.somaxconn=6553513:26
Gupyeah but if it ran after redis, redis would still be showing the errors13:27
Gupi'll need to reboot to check...13:27
gnarfacewell the sysctl line should go into /etc/sysctl.conf or a file in /etc/sysctl.d/ (read the README) in that directory13:27
gnarfacemaybe both those lines actually13:28
gnarfacething is, you could make something like rc.local that runs earlier13:28
gnarfacein the bootup13:28
gnarfaceadding your own entire init script doesn't have to be as complicated as it looks13:28
gnarfacehttps://wiki.debian.org/LSBInitScripts13:29
Gupmaybe sysctl.d is the best place, i'll check it out, cheers13:29
gnarfacethe init scripts are controlled by those LSB comments, documented here13:29
Gupright, so it is running, just must be after redis starts up so it throws warnings13:30
Gupdont know why the redis docs suggest rc.local :/13:30
gnarfaceif you need to make an init script that is dependency-aware like the others, it should be pretty intuitive to look at the existing examples and that wiki page, but maybe i can answer questions too if you get stuck13:30
Gupdo you not think /etc/sysctl.d/ is the best place?13:31
gnarfaceyes, always do it with the stock config file when you can13:31
gnarfacei just wasn't sure this one can go in there too: echo never > /sys/kernel/mm/transparent_hugepage/enabled13:32
gnarfacemaybe it can though13:32
gnarfacethis one, that's where it belongs: sysctl -w net.core.somaxconn=6553513:32
gnarfaceobviously in a different format13:32
gnarfacebut that's where the setting belongs13:32
Gupreadme says its parsed with sysctl so maybe the echo wont work13:33
gnarfacei think that the sysctl may be just for /proc stuff13:33
gnarfacei really don't know13:33
Gupcool, well i've got a few thing to play with now, thanks for the pointers :)13:34
gnarfacebut with LSB headers you can make a script that the redis init depends on13:34
gnarfaceso it would always make sure to launch that script before redis13:34
gnarfacegood luck13:34
gnarfaceoh Gup do look in /var/log though13:39
gnarfacealso try the `dmesg` command right after boot13:39
Gupits all working now thanks gnarface13:41
Gupi put the sysctl stuff in the correct place and the echo in a service of my own that starts before redis13:41
Gup:)13:41
gnarfacethe simplest solutions are usually the best ones13:42
gnarfaceglad you got it figured out13:42
romoHey guys. What is the correct way to install virtualbox guest additions in ascii? I've just upgraded a vm from jessie to ascii. Now I'm wondering if there's still integration, or do I have to use the Oracle ISO?14:00
gnarfaceromo: check non-free?14:03
gnarfacethere might be packages in the repo...14:04
romognarface: apparently, the initial install of the additons was kept during upgrade. it is however, ineffective now (scaling). so I add non-free, give it a try and it might install a current version if available?14:06
gnarfaceromo: uh, i really don't know.  if there was already a jessie package for it, normally there would be an ascii package too and it would be upgraded automatically14:12
gnarfaceif that didn't happen that could explain it not working14:12
romognarface: so it might have been unwise not to include contrib and non-free before upgrading... There's still a jessie snapshop. I'll try both of these options now.14:23
gnarfaceromo: oh, if you had them in jessie, then didn't retain them when you changed sources.list to ascii, that could explain it...14:23
gnarfaceromo: (assuming the vbox guest additions stuff is in non-free or contrib.  i don't actually know.  it's supposed to be open source but it's also from oracle so...)14:24
gnarfaceit's also possible they were removed from ascii for unrelated reasons14:25
gnarfacesomeone in here uses virtualbox and would know better than i14:25
gnarfacei don't think it was removed from ascii14:25
fsmithredromo, there's no virtualbox in stretch or ascii. Use ascii-backports for that.14:46
gnarfaceah, backports14:48
gnarfacedidn't think of that14:48
romognarface: Me neither, I'm currently redoing the upgrade.15:01
gnarfaceyou shouldn't have to redo it15:01
gnarfacejust add backports to your sources.list and use it with "-t ascii-backports" added to your apt-get command...15:02
gnarfaceapt-get/apt-cache15:02
romognarface: I made other less ideal choices I'm afarid.15:02
gnarfaceoh15:02
gnarfacewell sometimes it is easiest to start over yes15:03
romofsmithred: Yeah, I know backports is the way to install virtualbox itself on Debin 9 now. However, will this also make guest additions available and how do I install these?15:03
fsmithredI think you need to use the guest additions iso15:04
fsmithredmount the iso and run the linux file on it15:04
fsmithred'sh VBoxLinux-whatever.run15:05
fsmithred'15:05
romofsmithred: This actually just works with absolutely no fuss. Thank you both, very much.15:07
fsmithredcool15:07
fsmithreddon't go away - I'm upgrading my vbox and might need your help15:08
fsmithredI usually find it to be very fussy15:08
romoI used to as well but I think a lot of problems originated from the version is jessie being "too old".15:09
fsmithredlooks like it worked without any problems. Took a while to install the kernel headers first.15:30
romofsmithred: yay. I'd like to take this opportunity to thank you again for showing me how to set up full system encryption without torching (and overwriting) an entire drive a while back.15:37
romosaved me an infinite amount of time and frustration since.15:37
fsmithredI did?15:37
romoyes, and I'm afraid I wasn't especially quick in understanding the essence of it.15:39
fsmithredme neither. How do you encrypt an existing filesystem?15:39
romooh no, there's no utilising an fs in existence. I just assumed - until then - I had to burn an entire drive in order to have system encryption (the automated lvm-option, which does an override)15:40
fsmithredoh15:41
romoyou showed me how to set up an encrypted system on a partition so the rest of the drive may be used for different things.15:41
fsmithredyeah, finding your way through the manual lvm and encryption in the debian-installer is not easy15:41
fsmithredsame for raid15:41
romoyeah, raid I haven't touched yet. but now I even get away lvm-free... which is insanely helpful... in many regards.15:45
holycowhi all16:59
holycowi am getting tired of debian16:59
holycowdoes devuan have approximately the same large set of packages in its repos?17:00
holycowhow far behind debian release cycle is devuan?17:00
holycowjust curious17:00
eyalrozHello, I've just installed Devuan ASCII instead of my Mint 18.3. Now, I have a list of packages which were installed on my Mint distro, and I want to install as many of them as possible. I've filtered-out those which are Mint-specific and have no installation candidate, but now I want to filter out things which depend on libpolikt-backend-elogind instead of consolekit How do I do that?17:07
buZzgrep ?17:08
buZzoh, hm, not sure17:08
buZzholycow: yes, approx. the same packages17:09
eyalrozbuZz: grep of what?17:09
holycowthank you kindly17:09
buZzholycow: devuan's cycle is speeding up , jessie took 1 year, stretch (ascii) took 6 months17:10
eyalrozlet me rephrase: I want to filter out the stuff that depends on consolekit, not on libpolkit-backend-elogind. The former is systemd-related IIRC, the latter is not.17:10
holycowaha!  awesome, thanks.17:10
KatolaZeyalroz: mint should not have any package depending on libpolkit-backend-elogind...17:13
eyalrozKatolaZ: Yes, indeed. But some mint package conflict with it; I want to filter those out of the list of what I'm trying to install17:14
KatolaZconflict with what?17:14
KatolaZeyalroz: are you using both mint and devuan repos?17:14
eyalrozKatolaZ: No, only Devuan repos17:14
KatolaZthen I don't understand17:15
KatolaZexample please17:15
eyalrozExample: I had a bunch of TeX-related packages installed; these are the same in Debian, Devuan, Ubuntu and Mint (AFAIK),17:15
eyalrozso I want to to apt-get install $(cat list_of_tex_related_packages_i_had_on_mint.txt)17:16
eyalrozthis works fine, no conflicts or anythinfg17:16
eyalrozbut for many other packages I had on mind, I can't do the same because I get conflicts17:16
KatolaZeyalroz: example of a conflicy17:16
KatolaZconflict17:16
KatolaZwhat error do you obtain?17:18
holycowthanks for the help17:20
holycowbbl17:20
eyalrozKatolaZ: ... hmm, this is weird. When I tried this earlier I was told installing my list of packages would uninstall a bunch of existing packages, like libpolkit-backend-elogind-1-0; so I manually added to the list of packages to install. When I do that, I get a conflict between libpolkit-backend-elogind-1-0 and consolekit (version 0.4.6-6)17:21
eyalrozbut now when I don't mention libpolkit-backend-elogind-1-0 I don't get pending removal notices. So maybe I'll withdraw my question for now, and maybe I've broken my package management state :-(17:21
KatolaZeyalroz: if you use apt-get, it will be in charge of managing dependencies...17:22
KatolaZit if has problems, it will stop, and tell you what's the matter17:22
eyalrozKatolaZ: I do use it. But if you tell apt-get to install package p1 which conflcits with p2, it might decide to remove p2 (in some cases)17:23
KatolaZeyalroz: I know, but in principle in your list of packages from mint you shouldn't have neither consolekit nor elogind...17:27
KatolaZsince mint uses systemd17:27
filipgoddamn i feel like i wanna use devuan cuz its nice and stable OS but then i feel like fedora cuz i really like fedora desktop environment but then im on fedora and i read about systemd and stuff about systemd puts me off fedora and fuck17:30
muep_there is very little fedora specific about how the desktop looks and works in fedora, getting a closely matching user-visible experience is mostly a matter of getting gnome to run17:38
eyalrozKatolaZ: It doesn't, but somehow there's a dependence on it when the packages are interpreted as Debian packages17:39
muep_which of course famously is a bit non-trivial, but my impression is that even some BSDs manage to ship a recent-ish gnome17:40
KatolaZeyalroz: do you have an error message to share, please?17:40
eyalrozKatolaZ: I would, but my console buffer overflowed. Need to set it to something longer. For now, ignore the question please...17:41
KatolaZok17:41
KatolaZas you wish :)17:41
eyalrozKatolaZ: I will ask something else though. I'm using the Israeli Devuan mirror in my sources.list file,17:41
KatolaZwhich URL, please?17:42
eyalrozBut as I download, I seem to be redirected to deb.devuan.org, which is pretty slow.17:42
eyalrozURL: http://il.deb.devuan.org/merged17:42
KatolaZeyalroz: all the stuff behind XX.deb.devuan.org goes to deb.devuan.org atm17:42
KatolaZwhich is a pool of mirrors in round-robin17:42
eyalrozI'm getting between 50 and 100 kB/sec out of that, and I was wondering if I should try and locate another mirror17:43
KatolaZeyalroz: it's pretty strange, since all mirrors have at least 250Mb/s bw17:43
KatolaZanyway, here's a list of current active mirrors:17:44
KatolaZhttps://pkgmaster.devuan.org/mirror_list.txt17:44
eyalrozKatolaZ: Great, thanks. I'll try a couple and see if it makes any difference.17:44
KatolaZtry pkgmaster.devuan.org17:45
eyalrozKatolaZ: When I try it, I get an inflinite loop of Ign's with apt-get update17:59
KatolaZeyalroz: ?!?18:02
KatolaZeyalroz: sources.list?18:02
eyalrozKatolaZ: just a second.18:03
eyalrozKatolaZ: https://pastebin.com/daATJZKL18:05
KatolaZeyalroz: it's pkgmaster.devuan.org/merged18:05
KatolaZas for all the other mirrors18:05
eyalrozAh...18:05
eyalrozKatolaZ: Getting about the same bandwidth there as well.18:07
KatolaZthen it's your local debian mirror I guess18:10
KatolaZdevuan package mirrors work by redirecting to debian mirrors for package that have not been forked from debian18:10
KatolaZs/package/packages18:10
golinuxKatolaZ: I was speculating uesterday the the demise of Net Neutrality earlier this month in the US might be part of the throttling.18:22
golinuxJust an idel thought since it has come up several times in the last days.18:23
golinuxidle18:24
KatolaZno idea18:25
KatolaZand unless one has facts at hands, I wouldn't bet on it18:25
KatolaZthere are much easier explanations18:25
KatolaZISP18:25
KatolaZmost of the times18:25
KatolaZor slow debian mirrors18:25
KatolaZ(and there are many)18:25
KatolaZI would just use Occam's razor, and go for one of those, unless otherwise proven :)18:26
AlexLikeRocknot found at  jessie18:49
AlexLikeRockpython-apsw18:49
AlexLikeRock# aptitude  install  python2.7-apsw18:49
AlexLikeRockNo candidate version found for python2.7-apsw18:49
AlexLikeRockhttps://packages.debian.org/jessie/python-apsw18:49
muep_did you try with just aptitude install python-apsw ?18:51
muep_I don't quite get what would suggest to add that 2.7 in the middle18:52
AlexLikeRockmuep_, , tasnk so much , i install "python-apsw "19:03
AlexLikeRocki have this bug from  ACE STREAM19:03
AlexLikeRockhttps://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/277088/unresolved-dependencies-when-installing-acestream/27715119:04
muep_maybe that packaging of ace stream is made for some other distribution19:06
AlexLikeRockyes,  its external19:06
AlexLikeRock:-(19:06
muep_I mean if it works at all, there exists some distro on which it will work19:07
AlexLikeRock i need it  to watch the Footbol19:07
muep_but it might be some other distro than stretch or jessie19:07
UsLhello vuans!19:08
UsLI'm having problem with pulseaudio not noticing headphones correctly.19:09
UsLso I want to replace pulse with apulse I believe. Is there smthng I should think of doing this?19:10
muep_how is this apparent to you that pulseaudio is not noticing them?19:10
KatolaZUsL: apulse is not a full replacement for pulseaudio19:10
muep_for the most part, pulseaudio relies on the same drivers that you would use with apulse19:10
UsLwell, I've seen people having trouble woth pulse so, if there is smoke and all that19:11
muep_are they normal analog headphones with 3.5mm jack or maybe bluetooth ones?19:11
UsLnormal 3.519:11
KatolaZUsL: pulseaudio does not even know if your headphones  are plugged or not...19:12
muep_so how did you try to use them, what did you expect to happen and what happened instead?19:12
UsLKatolaZ: oh, I just noticed you're the author19:12
KatolaZauthor of what?19:13
KatolaZo_O19:13
UsLapulse19:13
KatolaZnope19:13
KatolaZI am just the one who packaged it for devuan19:13
UsLokay.. : S19:13
UsLaaah I see19:13
UsLI did the apt show apulse19:13
UsLmuep_: the audio is coming only from speakers and headphones are silent19:14
KatolaZUsL: what does the mizer say?19:14
KatolaZ~mixer19:14
UsLalsamixer looks okay19:14
muep_UsL: so you just connected the headphones, no other changes?19:15
UsLand the pavu looks okay19:15
UsLmuep_: right19:15
muep_in the output devices tab in pavucontrol, do you have different ports available for your audio device?19:15
buZzi19:16
UsLspeakers and headphones19:16
muep_and neither works?19:16
buZzi'm happy that my soundcard -does- tell my computer if a headphone is plugged in :P (by muting a channel)19:16
UsLspeakers work19:16
AlexLikeRockhttps://devuan.org/os/19:17
UsLheadphones says they're connected but sound keep coming from speakers19:17
AlexLikeRock auto.mirror.    still working  for a  jessie ?19:17
buZzshould be yeah , AlexLikeRock19:17
muep_I think at least with quite a lot of hardware, pulseaudio also has access to information on if a port is connected or not19:17
muep_but I would expect that it relies on drivers to report that detail accurately19:17
AlexLikeRockbuZz, but , they have time to expire ?19:17
buZzAlexLikeRock: but , http://deb.devuan.org/merged/ is also just 'all mirrors'19:17
AlexLikeRockor just expire to  ascii19:18
AlexLikeRock?19:18
buZzeh, i dont think we'll delete jessie from repos ?19:18
buZzwhy would we19:18
muep_UsL: so you tried selecting headphones as the port, and it still outputs from the speaker port?19:18
UsLyeah, it weird. I saw on some sites people purging pulse and their problems disappeared19:18
UsLmuep_: right19:18
buZzi've never really liked pulseaudio, but a couple steam games i have require it >_<19:19
UsLI don't have anything on my system that needs pulse I believe.19:19
muep_UsL: okay, I have no more stuff to suggest you could try19:19
KatolaZAlexLikeRock: ?19:19
muep_if you don't have anything that needs pulse, you should not need apulse either19:19
UsLright19:20
buZzmuep_: oh tnx19:20
buZzi forgot that was a thing :P lets see if steam likes it19:21
muep_for many users, there is at least firefox expecting to output audio through something that looks like pulseaudio19:22
UsLhope the xfce pulse volume control work with apulse?19:22
UsLif not I'll just bind the volume keys to alsa19:22
KatolaZUsL: apulse is not a replacement for pulseaudio...19:22
UsLright19:22
UsLbut it does something?19:22
muep_I would expect you to want an alsa volume control unless you have the actual pulseaudio daemon19:22
KatolaZit fakes a pulseaudio interface19:22
KatolaZso if you want PROG to believe that pulseudio is available, you can start it with:19:23
KatolaZapulse PROG19:23
UsLI see.19:23
muep_my impression is that apulse provides only the sound output interface to the application that you run "under" it19:23
UsLthe clarifies that19:24
KatolaZyes muep_19:24
KatolaZthat is the case19:24
muep_does it provide input streams, too?19:24
buZzweird > E: Failed to fetch http://nl.deb.devuan.org/merged/pool/DEBIAN/main/a/alsaplayer/libalsaplayer0_0.99.81-2_amd64.deb  500  Bad redirection (path)19:24
UsLokay, so I'll rip pulse audio out and see if headphones is a go19:24
buZzapt update fixed it19:24
buZzor at least, issue didnt return after apt update19:25
_abc_Beep. Did you see this? Just a few days of m$ ownership and the photon torpeods are alredy sinking the "enemy" https://www.theregister.co.uk/2018/06/28/gentoo_linux_github_hacked/19:25
_abc_Shaking trust in github for sure19:25
UsL2FA would have helped..19:25
buZz_abc_: not like 'stealing someone's github password' is a new thing ;)19:25
UsLgentoo ppl should have enabled it19:26
buZzand yeah, enabling 2FA is a no brainer19:26
_abc_buZz: it seems to be a bit wider, like some cretin monkey moving the entire pwd db onto window systems which are "secure". Not.19:26
buZzand you think they would just add 'rm -rf /' into gentoo as -single- thing then?19:26
buZzseems a bit implausible19:27
_abc_Nah, they'd trojan it a bit.19:27
buZzsure19:27
buZztinfoil sadly is illegal but you can find aluminiumfoil is Isle 519:27
buZznext!19:27
buZzin*19:27
KatolaZis there a reliable (technical) report about the gentoo repo story?19:27
_abc_Note "gentoo is one of the few distros not infected by systemd" in comments19:27
KatolaZ)(please no FUD, I have read PLEANTY already)19:27
_abc_As always, please read the priceless #theregister comments.19:28
_abc_KatolaZ: there is a reliable report somewhere, but the fud is prevalent for now.19:28
KatolaZas always, that's pretty useless19:28
UsLM$ will probably very slowly and gradually make "improvements" to github.. 2019 earliest.19:28
UsLuntil then I think it is all github19:29
UsLas it were19:29
UsLwho knows. I'll report back if purging pulse fixes headphones. The driver is not reporting any issues.19:30
UsLor, I'll make a forum post. Probably better.19:31
_abc_Purge all Poettering spawn. Pulse, sysntemd, and 2 more I forget now19:31
AlexLikeRockmmmmm19:32
AlexLikeRockhttps://pkginfo.devuan.org/cgi-bin/d1pkgweb-query?search=transmission-daemon&release=jessie19:32
UsLmuep_ thanks btw for suggestions19:32
muep_you are welcome19:32
UsLand KatolaZ for explaining apulse for a newborn19:33
UsL: )19:33
UsLta ta19:33
KatolaZAlexLikeRock: what is your problem with transmission daemon?19:33
AlexLikeRocktransmission-daemon 2.84-0.2+deb8u1 [net - optional]    >>>      Depends:   libsystemd019:33
_abc_https://www.theregister.co.uk/2018/06/29/upskirt_creep_blows_up_foot/19:33
_abc_sorry wrong channel19:33
KatolaZAlexLikeRock: that is not the only package that depends on libsystemd0...19:33
AlexLikeRocktransmission-daemon 2.84-0.2+deb8u1 [net - optional]  >>>   Depends:     Depends:   libsystemd019:34
AlexLikeRockso...19:34
KatolaZso...19:34
AlexLikeRocktransmission-daemon 2.84-0.2+devuan1.1 [net - optional]19:34
AlexLikeRock[Origin: Main - jessie-proposed - main]  >>>  "NOT   Depends:   libsystemd0 "19:34
KatolaZyes19:34
KatolaZso...19:34
AlexLikeRockhow to download  [jessie-proposed] transmission-daemon-2.84-0.2+devuan1.119:35
AlexLikeRock??19:35
KatolaZapt-get install -t jessie-proposed transmission-daemon19:35
AlexLikeRockor  how  to add this repo : "  [jessie-proposed ]"19:35
KatolaZyou must do both19:35
AlexLikeRockneed to add to sources .list ?19:35
KatolaZfirst add the repo to your sources.list19:35
KatolaZadn then use the command above19:35
AlexLikeRockyes,  thats  its my ponit19:35
AlexLikeRocktankyou19:35
KatolaZAlexLikeRock: asking the actual question would have been easier, and maybe quicker :)19:36
AlexLikeRockwell refletioning :-)19:39
JollyRoger`Hey guys. I was just wondering, has anyone asked around about doing a PowerPC64 Little Endian port of Devuan? I'm curious to know if anyone else has asked.19:39
buZznot sure about endianness, but i did hear ppl dismissing devuan as a option for some system because it lacked ppc64 as arch19:43
KatolaZwe recently got accesso to a potential ppc64 build host19:43
JollyRoger`Woah.19:43
KatolaZso ppc64 support might actually become available in Devuan in the future19:44
JollyRoger`Horay!19:44
KatolaZs/accesso/access19:44
buZzi'll spread the word once i see em19:44
JollyRoger`Got it. I'll wait and send cookies. I ordered a new computer, but it's PowerPC64 and not x86. I've been using Devuan on a somewhat-old (not old-old, but a little bit old) Thinkpad for a while now and I found I rather like it.19:45
JollyRoger`At this very moment it looks like my options for an operating system is kind of limited. So I'm searching around.19:47
JollyRoger`*options for an operating system are kind of limited.19:47
buZzis it https://www.powerpc-notebook.org/en/ ? :D19:48
JollyRoger`Oh, no, it's a desktop.19:48
JollyRoger`But holy. I really like the look of this.19:49
bozonius2romo: If you are here or see this in the log, be sure to install both virtualbox and virtualbox-qt if you want the GUI19:50
JollyRoger`I'll bookmark it and come back to it later :P.19:50
AlexLikeRockKatolaZ,   installed  transmission-daemon   (y)20:03
AlexLikeRocktanks dude20:03
romobozonius: Oh, I wouldn't know another place to go anyhow. Thank you very much, duly noted. A GUI might be helpful.20:08
filipim thinking about trying pureOS20:11
* bozonius2 configuring hexchat...don't mindme20:18
bozonius3looks like my physical connection might be flaky20:29
bozonius3I've got two boxes connected via electronic switch20:29
bozonius3switch is a bit old, but seems to work...20:30
bozonius3when the connection goes down, I can reconnect the cable for the test box where I am running Ascii and then restart the connection from Ascii and all's well again.20:30
bozonius3strangely, I ran a ping test for hours yesterday without incident.  Over 25000 successful pings to the other box w/o errors20:31
bozonius3even after no intervening reboot, all of a sudden, today the connection is flakey.20:31
bozonius3kern.log doesn't show anything "interesting"20:32
bozonius3no indication that the connection went down, but if I run ifconfig, I can see that the eth0 has no ip address20:32
bozonius3why doesn't this get logged?20:32
ivanshmakovbozonius3: Check daemon.log for DHCP messages, perhaps?20:35
buZzwhats a 'electronic switch' ?20:36
bozonius3ivanshmakov:  nothing other than dhclient messages.  This is fixed ip here.20:36
bozonius3buZz:  As opposed to a hub (which is generally not electronic)20:36
bozonius3it's a 5-port ethernet switch20:37
buZzok, just a switch then20:37
buZzare you running any network manager?20:38
bozonius3the hubs were known to be unreliable and slow20:38
buZzthat might be logging it20:38
buZzi used plenty of hubs , they work fine, just slower because you have more collisions20:39
bozonius3buZz:  whatever comes with ascii is what I am running. I've made no changes to that20:39
bozonius3(right.  I like fast)20:39
buZzdno what it comes with , i never installed the default desktop20:39
buZzis it wicd? :D20:39
bozonius3I believe so20:39
buZzdid you config the ip in wicd?20:39
bozonius3of course.  THat's how I got a fixed IP20:40
bozonius3s/got/set/20:40
buZzwell, there's more than one way to do it :P20:41
bozonius3yeah, its wicd, and I just looked at its log20:41
bozonius3(you are right)20:41
buZzdoes it mention something about the ip?20:41
bozonius3there is always more than one way20:41
bozonius3UNLESS20:41
bozonius3you are running systemd20:41
buZzlol20:41
bozonius3then there is only ONE way, and maybe not even that!20:41
bozonius3the only thing I see is that it is trying to get dhcp connection...  wonder why that is?20:42
bozonius3I only have the one interface, and it is fixed IP address.   THere is no need for it to try to get an address!20:43
buZzyou really need to make that ip default then , maybe just set it up through /etc/network/interfaces20:43
bozonius3maybe wicd assumes that everyone on Earth wants dhcp20:43
buZzdefault there says iface eth0 inet dhcp20:44
buZzit might be using that20:44
bozonius3make that ip default then?20:44
bozonius3my interfaces file already has that info20:44
bozonius3oh!20:44
bozonius3omg!20:44
bozonius3hold on20:44
buZzyeah?20:44
bozonius3no20:45
bozonius3whew20:45
buZzoh20:45
bozonius3mine says "iface eth0 inet static"20:45
buZzright, followed by the ip etc?20:45
ivanshmakovbozonius3: The hubs are also slower because they’re up to 10 Mbit/s. (To the best of my knowledge, the Fast Ethernet [and later] standards only allow proper switches, not hubs.)20:45
bozonius3next line is (indented) address 192.168.xx..../2420:45
bozonius3gateway, dns-nameservers, etc20:45
buZznetmask ?20:46
buZz:)20:46
bozonius3no, no netmask20:46
buZzoh, i didnt know it supported that notation of netmask20:46
ivanshmakovbozonius3: No need for netmask if you have /24 prefix length in ‘address’.20:46
bozonius3if it needed it, I'm sure I'd know by now20:46
bozonius3there would have been an error or something20:47
ivanshmakovbuZz: I think Debian Jessie added that.20:47
bozonius3I am wondering... it could be the switch, which is a ten- or fifteen-year old Fry's switch20:47
bozonius3or maybe it is the built-in ethernet port on the mainboard20:47
bozonius3I have other interface cards (NICs)20:48
bozonius3but it does work fairly well, other than these occasional blips20:48
buZzif its just two computers, why use a switch at all?20:48
bozonius3the cable could be an issue20:48
bozonius3because I did not have a crossover cable...20:49
buZzyou could be lucky and have a network card that does that automagically20:49
buZzmost laptops do20:49
bozonius3also, BuZz, I can see activity between the two boxes20:49
buZzat least, all my thinkpads and dells i owned :)20:49
bozonius3OK, look, this is a fairly recent board (5 years)20:49
bozonius3it's possible20:49
bozonius3I can try it right now...20:49
buZzsure, but you could rule it out as the cause20:49
bozonius3good point20:50
buZz> mii-tool eth020:50
buZzthats useful to see if it has link20:50
bozonius2yep, it worked20:52
bozonius2and I don't trust that other cable anyway20:53
bozonius2one of the ends has a broken clip, and that MIGHT affect connection20:53
bozonius2mii-tool says eth0 negotiated 100baseTx-FD link OK20:53
bozonius2so it is all good20:53
bozonius2switch is HOT,too20:54
bozonius2you guys still there?20:55
ivanshmakovbozonius2: I’d expect to see spurious ‘link up/down’ messages in kern.log when there’s a mechanical contact issue. 15 y. o. switch sounds like a suspect.20:55
bozonius2or did I just connect to a local loop LOL?20:55
bozonius2I agree20:55
bozonius2no, no kern.log indicators20:55
bozonius2wicd though does have those up and down messages, but the time is in seconds, not wall clock, so I am not sure if those sync with the times I had outages20:56
bozonius2oh wait, no.20:56
bozonius2kern.log20:57
ivanshmakovbozonius2: I think I had to replace three or four 7+ year old switches over the past few years due to them spuriously rebooting, or simply going deaf.20:57
bozonius2well, anyway one of the system logs does not post current date and time20:57
bozonius2rebooting?20:57
bozonius2the ones I have don't boot or reboot20:57
bozonius2you just plug them in and they go20:57
bozonius2you must be talking about a router with a built-in switch?20:58
bozonius2these is a plain switch20:58
bozonius2just 5 ethernet ports20:58
bozonius2no software or admin interface20:58
bozonius2ivanshmakov:  they only run 100Mb, not 1000!20:59
bozonius2IIRC, I got these on close-out at Fry's about 10 or 15 years ago.  About $5 or $10 apiece21:00
ivanshmakovbozonius2: The ones I had blink the leds in sequence right after being powered on, before going live. s/rebooting/reinitializing/, perhaps.21:00
bozonius2the transformer block is pretty big for such a unit21:00
bozonius2huh21:00
bozonius2sometimes, this one takes a second to kind of "register" the fact that there are cables clipped in, but other than that, it is on from the time I add power21:01
bozonius2it is disconnected now21:03
ivanshmakovbozonius2: It only takes a few seconds, but there /is/ a short delay before my switches start working after applying power. The faulty ones started to display such a behavior spuriously, without apparent loss of power.21:04
bozonius2the only link up/down messages I am seeing is when I manually stop and start networking service21:04
bozonius2I've looked21:04
bozonius2this has happened 3x today21:04
bozonius2the last time, I thought to look and check for kern.log and dmesg messages, but all I saw was message about last time I manually restarted the connection (due to the previous incident...)21:05
bozonius2this is a RealTek on the board, an 8111.  The driver is for 8169, which is probably close enough that it isn't an issue.  But it did seem to need the firmware driver to make it work correctly.  I am not 100% certain that was a problem though.21:07
bozonius2It just seems like after I installed the fw package for it, things began working more reliably.21:07
bozonius2it's hard to tell though21:07
bozonius2this is actually my 2nd Ascii install on my testbox. The first ended up having all kinds of connecction issues, even after I added the firmware21:08
bozonius2well, I'll let this sit for a day or so and see what happens.  It could well be the switch.21:09
bozonius2if the problem comes back, I'll try another NIC in the test box.21:10
bozonius2another possiblity, btw, is that the connection goes to a PCI NIC in my other (main) box.21:10
bozonius2Possible that one is funny, idk.21:11
bozonius2maybe all these guys need is a blast of arctic air for a second or two.21:11
bozonius2seems that some build-up can occur after two metal surfaces (wire and socket) have been in contact for a long time...21:12
AlexLikeRockgvfs-daemons : Depends: libsystemd0 but it is not installable.21:17
AlexLikeRock21:17
AlexLikeRocksolution ?21:17
AlexLikeRockgvfs   its  for  "automount "  ?21:18
AlexLikeRockexternal HDD/USB ?21:18
AlexLikeRockrigth ?21:18
fsmithredAlexLikeRock, spacefm and pmount21:20
AlexLikeRocktanks21:20
AlexLikeRocklet me try21:20
AlexLikeRock gvfs-daemons 1.22.2-1 >>>  Depends:  libsystemd021:21
AlexLikeRockBROKEN !21:21
fsmithredright, you can't install gvfs-daemons without libsystemd021:21
fsmithredyou could also use udevil instead of pmount with spacefm21:22
fsmithredand I think pcmanfm might work with one or both of those.21:22
AlexLikeRockok21:31
AlexLikeRockwhat other  FILE MANAGER  work  with it   fsmithred  ?21:32
fsmithredother than those two, I don't know21:32
fsmithredand I'm not certain about pcmanfm21:32
AlexLikeRockLOOOOL21:32
AlexLikeRockwell  work  fine  with pcmanfm21:38
AlexLikeRocktanks dude21:38
AlexLikeRockfsmithred,21:38
fsmithredwhen you get to ascii, it's a lot harder to avoid lsd021:39
AlexLikeRockLOOOOL21:39
AlexLikeRockjessie 121:39
AlexLikeRockASCII 021:39
bozonius2L0000L is zero in Lexidecimal21:40
bozonius2(that's scary by the way. Getting AWAY from cysticd and its dependencies is what we want to do)21:41

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