filipdevuan | hey im on the antergos now and when i typed geoiplookup 8.8.8.8 it said: [filip@filipantergos ~]$ geoiplookup 8.8.8.8 | 02:30 |
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filipdevuan | GeoIP Country Edition: US, United States | 02:30 |
filipdevuan | GeoIP City Edition, Rev 1: US, N/A, N/A, N/A, N/A, 37.750999, -97.821999, 0, 0 | 02:30 |
filipdevuan | GeoIP ASNum Edition: AS15169 Google LLC | 02:30 |
filipdevuan | 02:30 | |
filipdevuan | why is google there and what this geoiplookup stands for??? | 02:30 |
furrywolf | 8.8.8.8 is registered to google | 02:35 |
furrywolf | and geoiplookup, while I've never used it, attempts to guess a physical location for an ip address, and guessed it's in the US, possibly near 37.750999, -97.821999. | 02:36 |
filipdevuan | so does that mean that my pc sends data to google? | 02:39 |
filipdevuan | oh i think i get what u mean i dont get it systemd sends data to google | 02:39 |
Xenguy | Let's be clear, google slurps w/e data it can | 03:22 |
Xenguy | DNS included, I'm sure | 03:23 |
Death_Syn | omnomnom | 03:29 |
TheBlueWizard | how do I change my domain name? | 04:42 |
gnarface | recursive question bomb | 04:45 |
gnarface | please be more specific | 04:45 |
TheBlueWizard | ok...when installing Devuan (using graphic install option), you are asked a series of questions. One of those questions is to enter a domain name (.com, .net, whatever if it is intended for Internet server; otherwise feel free to name a domain for home use, which I am using that latter option. Now I thought what I entered needs to be changed. So how do I change my computer's domain name? | 04:49 |
Centurion_Dan | TheBlueWizard: the hostname is changed in /etc/hostname, and the domain name is changed in /etc/hosts (if set) | 05:29 |
TheBlueWizard | looks like /etc/hosts is the place to change the domain name...thanks! | 05:31 |
TheBlueWizard | how do I get and install various foreign fonts? the firefox browser is showing korean text as string of undefined "letters" | 05:52 |
gnarface | TheBlueWizard: er um, sorry yea what he said. got pulled away there | 06:02 |
gnarface | gotta go again momentarily but you can search the repo for additional font packages | 06:03 |
gnarface | they usually have "font" or "ttf" in the description and/or package name | 06:03 |
TheBlueWizard | ok...it's midnite here...gotta sleep soon! :-) thanks! | 06:04 |
Leander | there's a list of fonts on the debian wiki: https://wiki.debian.org/Fonts , but the funny thing is that it cites https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:Multilingual_support_(East_Asian)#Debian-based_GNU/Linux as a reference, which has a different list of fonts | 06:31 |
gnarface | there are truckloads of fonts | 06:48 |
gnarface | not much standardization in how they're named | 06:48 |
gnarface | but luckily you can search the repo with regular expressions | 06:48 |
muep_ | gnu_srs1: I prefer gnome 3 over gnome 2 so I do not seem to be in the target audience of mate | 06:55 |
Criggie | heh I still use and prefer twm. | 06:58 |
Criggie | none of this fancy toolbar shit. | 07:06 |
Criggie | arrrr gerrouff-mah-lawn! | 07:06 |
muep_ | but of course for someone who prefers the gnome 2 ui, mate should be a thing to try | 07:12 |
DeeEff | Hey all, I updated ceres and haven't been able to get NVIDIA drivers to work (nor nouveau, even as a backup). Seems that when I try to use NVIDIA drivers I get the following log message: | 07:49 |
DeeEff | [ 66.129] (EE) Failed to initialize GLX extension (Compatible NVIDIA X driver not found) | 07:49 |
DeeEff | Any steps I can take to diagnose / fix this? | 07:49 |
golinux | DeeEff: You could fix it by rolling back to ASCII. ;) Ceres is not for the faint hearted. | 08:43 |
gnarface | DeeEff: make sure you have the libgl1-nvidia-glx package. for some stuff (Steam) you'll need libgl1-nvidia-glx:i386 too, unless you're actually still on a 32-bit system. | 08:49 |
gnarface | the nvidia packages in sid/ceres don't always have complete dependencies | 08:50 |
gnarface | you gotta make sure you have everything you need and scan for version mismatches too | 08:50 |
gnarface | for nouveau it's some mesa package instead but i forget what exactly (libgl1-mesa-glx maybe?) | 08:51 |
gnarface | for nouveau, actually i would think the "mesa-utils" package dependencies include everything you need but the two drivers don't play nice together. if you have both installed but don't blacklist one you may have other problems with them fighting each other | 08:53 |
__maiz | hello, I'm presently trying to install devuan | 11:03 |
__maiz | but I can't figure out how to install it from the livecd image | 11:04 |
__maiz | I tried to install it from the refractainstaller script | 11:04 |
__maiz | but it stops after formatting the disk | 11:04 |
golinux | I always pre-format my partitions. And you might try running refractainstaller from the cli. | 11:08 |
__maiz | cli is all there is | 11:08 |
__maiz | I'm assuming the rest is up to the user | 11:08 |
__maiz | I guess | 11:09 |
golinux | You doing the minimal-live? | 11:09 |
__maiz | I've formated the newly created parition in ext4 | 11:09 |
__maiz | mounted it | 11:09 |
__maiz | but I have no experience with debian | 11:09 |
__maiz | I assume some debootstrap is necessary here | 11:09 |
__maiz | I've looked it up | 11:09 |
__maiz | it seems to be debootstrap stable mountpoint URL | 11:09 |
__maiz | Idk what the URL should point at for devuan | 11:09 |
__maiz | i'm on the minimal-live, yes | 11:09 |
__maiz | [i think] | 11:10 |
golinux | Desktop-live has an icon on the desktop. | 11:10 |
__maiz | there is no X at all | 11:10 |
golinux | Take a look at this: http://www.ibiblio.org/refracta/docs/readme.refractainstaller.txt | 11:10 |
__maiz | so it's certainly not desktop-live | 11:10 |
golinux | Yes, minimal-live is cli only. | 11:10 |
golinux | And have you read the release notes? | 11:11 |
__maiz | there is a README but it's not helpful | 11:11 |
golinux | https://files.devuan.org/devuan_ascii/Release_notes.txt | 11:12 |
golinux | Did you look at the link I posted a few lines up? | 11:13 |
golinux | Anyway it's 4am. I need to go to bed. Look for fsmithred it you get stuck. | 11:14 |
__maiz | thanks | 11:14 |
__maiz | yes I'm looking right now | 11:15 |
golinux | Good luck! See you on the other side | 11:15 |
KatolaZ | __maiz: which live image are you using? | 11:18 |
__maiz | I can't tell | 11:19 |
__maiz | but I just did a debootstrap --variant=minbase jessue /mnt http://pkgmaster.devuan.org/merged | 11:19 |
__maiz | and it seems ok | 11:19 |
Leander | jessue? did you mean jessie? and are you sure you want jessie, not ascii? | 11:25 |
gnarface | __maiz: as i recall, there was some script in /usr/local/sbin you were supposed to run... debootstrap will work but that is doing it the hard way | 11:29 |
__maiz | if you're talking about that refractaainstaller script | 11:30 |
__maiz | it didn't work | 11:30 |
__maiz | it stopped at formatting partitions | 11:31 |
__maiz | and left me with the rest | 11:31 |
__maiz | Leander, well I wanted ascii | 11:33 |
__maiz | and didn't know better | 11:33 |
__maiz | how can I fix it? | 11:34 |
Leander | I honestly don't know | 11:34 |
__maiz | and how can I set the locale system-wide? | 11:34 |
__maiz | do I just edit /etc/profile? | 11:35 |
gnarface | __maiz: wait when you say it stopped at reformatting partitions... are you sure it wasn't still formatting? | 11:38 |
KatolaZ | __maiz: it would be good to know which image you are using | 11:38 |
KatolaZ | which actual iso image | 11:38 |
gnarface | __maiz: or you mean like the script exits? | 11:39 |
gnarface | :-/ | 11:39 |
KatolaZ | I don't understand how people can say "I don't know which image I used" | 11:51 |
KatolaZ | and still complain that "it didn't work" | 11:51 |
KatolaZ | :\ | 11:51 |
gnarface | well formatting with ext4 is REALLY slow | 11:55 |
gnarface | if there's no progress meter on that script i could imagine thinking it's stalled | 11:55 |
gnarface | and i can unfortunately relate to being impatient | 11:56 |
terryc | Easy, just depends on source. unles who ever created it labelled it fully and properly, easy to not know. BTSTMT | 11:56 |
stuck1 | does devuan come with openrc by default? | 12:02 |
gnarface | no, sysvinit is the default but openrc is an option | 12:04 |
gnarface | it is in the repo | 12:04 |
gnarface | almost everything that is in debian is available in devuan | 12:05 |
stuck1 | so I just install openrc and i'm done? | 12:08 |
gnarface | yea then reboot to test it, i guess | 12:10 |
gnarface | i haven't tested it myself but it's reported to work | 12:10 |
filipdevuan | damn i still look for antisystemd arguments does it send all traffic data and activity on what i do on systemd os to google or other corpos?? | 13:27 |
djph | what? | 13:30 |
filipdevuan | if i use systemd distro does shit i do on my system and all info about my activity go to google??? | 13:31 |
gnarface | you could use tcpdump to find out | 13:34 |
djph | Fairly certain the asnwer is "no" (and if the answer is "yes", another reason to not use it) | 13:37 |
filipdevuan | 12:36:44.709721 IP _gateway.domain > filipantergos.37001: 51255 1/0/0 PTR ec2-54-76-193-55.eu-west-1.compute.amazonaws.com. (105) | 13:37 |
filipdevuan | amazon? | 13:37 |
djph | yes, amazon. | 13:37 |
filipdevuan | so what does that mean i send some stuff to amazon?? | 13:37 |
djph | or you're at least talking to Amazon | 13:38 |
filipdevuan | :/ | 13:38 |
filipdevuan | i think im gonna install devuan again and never change it to another distro then | 13:38 |
djph | e.g. ads on a webpage, or IDK. | 13:38 |
filipdevuan | i keep reading stuff about systemd and i am not really concerned about what it does to my OS i am concerned if it sends any info about me to corporations without my permission and knowledge about it | 13:39 |
djph | it gets involved with a lot of things, but I've never seen "collect telemetry on you" as one of its sins. | 13:39 |
filipdevuan | basically i am concerned about third party website domains servers get knowledge about my activity on my computer which i think is unacceptable | 13:40 |
djph | oh, that has nothing to do with systemd. | 13:41 |
filipdevuan | why? | 13:41 |
filipdevuan | so its not by systemd but by distro in general if it sends anything to amazon why is there amazon there on tcpdump fking hell ;/ | 13:43 |
djph | did you simply not read anything I just said? | 13:43 |
djph | what distro? | 13:43 |
djph | what else do youhave open? | 13:43 |
filipdevuan | i use antergos at the moment | 13:43 |
filipdevuan | internet browser and a game | 13:43 |
filipdevuan | let me turn off everything and see whats happening | 13:44 |
djph | well, there you go. Web broswer (i.e. ads) could very well be talking to amazon. not to mention a game (and IRC and ...) | 13:44 |
filipdevuan | its so sad | 13:44 |
filipdevuan | i get this ip lots 192.168.0.8 | 13:46 |
filipdevuan | 12:46:46.169908 ARP, Request who-has 192.168.0.8 (Broadcast) tell _gateway, length 28 | 13:46 |
filipdevuan | okay thanks it seems like game doesnt send anything to amazon it was ads ok cheers | 13:48 |
gnarface | filipdevuan: ubuntu was selling its users out to amazon before systemd | 13:51 |
gnarface | it might not be systemd doing that | 13:51 |
KatolaZ | filipdevuan: 192.168.0.8 is a LAN IP... | 13:52 |
gnarface | all kinds of stuff is using google's DNS by default too though, which is something to worry about | 13:52 |
KatolaZ | and, the fact that an IP resolves to amazon does not mean that it's amazon | 13:52 |
KatolaZ | it will most probably be an AWS server | 13:52 |
KatolaZ | belonging to who-knows... | 13:53 |
gnarface | that too | 13:53 |
KatolaZ | 13:37 < filipdevuan> 12:36:44.709721 IP _gateway.domain > filipantergos.37001: 51255 1/0/0 PTR | 13:53 |
KatolaZ | ec2-54-76-193-55.eu-west-1.compute.amazonaws.com. (105) | 13:53 |
KatolaZ | this is an aws instance, for instance | 13:53 |
KatolaZ | :) | 13:53 |
filipdevuan | so its not systemd and antergos by default who sends stuff to amazon or google is for example my activity on internet | 13:54 |
gnarface | yes, banner ads have been leaking all this data for longer than social networks or init systems were a problem | 13:54 |
filipdevuan | okay you calmed me down a bit then. well now im just gonna get some nice browser like icecat and be more careful i dont wanna send anything to amazon or googles... | 13:55 |
gnarface | make sure you're not confusing your IRC traffic for it | 13:55 |
gnarface | you'll also see this IRC channel in your connections | 13:55 |
filipdevuan | it looks like irc is safe | 13:55 |
filipdevuan | but its crap if i wanna access #devuan through freenode website theres recaptcha and recaptcha is google... | 13:56 |
gnarface | there are irc clients that respect your privacy | 13:56 |
gnarface | you don't have to use a web-based one | 13:56 |
filipdevuan | yeah i know i use hexchat mainly ;p | 13:57 |
filipdevuan | okay so now i add/delete software and downloaded ice cat and i have that 170.71.104.218.adsl-pool.ah.cnuninet.net | 13:57 |
filipdevuan | it looks like facebook to me | 13:57 |
gnarface | that looks like a residential DSL line | 13:59 |
gnarface | are you sure that's not yourself? | 13:59 |
filipdevuan | this is really possible ;p | 13:59 |
gnarface | hmmm | 14:00 |
gnarface | ok well this IRC server says it's not you | 14:00 |
gnarface | oh | 14:01 |
gnarface | actually that's super sketchy | 14:01 |
filipdevuan | i like antergos its quite simple OS but im going back to devuan and not sure if i wanna test more distros but probably not cuz theyre all seem like they have privacy leaks | 14:01 |
gnarface | Beijing Sanfront Information Technology Co., Ltd | 14:02 |
gnarface | abuse contact email and phone numbers are blank | 14:02 |
gnarface | lol | 14:02 |
gnarface | yea they care a lot about abuse | 14:03 |
filipdevuan | so it seems like downloading something from applications software sends some data to this benjing stuff lemme find my pendrive burn iso and im coming :D | 14:03 |
gnarface | well you should really try to figure out what exactly is doing that | 14:03 |
gnarface | to make sure it's not self-inflicted | 14:03 |
gnarface | i mean if you didn't know ads were a risk... | 14:03 |
gnarface | you got any chat clients open maybE? | 14:04 |
gnarface | but yea maybe it's not worth the trouble | 14:04 |
gnarface | nuking it from orbit is always the safe option | 14:04 |
filipdevuan | okay it seems like icecat was downloaded from this benjing stuff and now when i went on website that has ads blocked by icecat libremjs and only https it still sends data to amazon :( | 14:06 |
filipdevuan | P ec2-52-24-247-156.us-west-2.compute.amazonaws.com.https > filipantergos | 14:06 |
gnarface | you need a plugin that will block anything coming from a domain other than the site you're connecting to at that moment | 14:07 |
gnarface | though that may break sites with poor security practices | 14:07 |
gnarface | i think firefox itself may have some leaks too | 14:08 |
gnarface | that you can plug with some config settings | 14:08 |
filipdevuan | damn corpos!!! that fks me off that i use my computer and internet and it sends stuff to amazon some billionaires without my permission that just make money on me all the time!!! | 14:09 |
KatolaZ | filipdevuan: just calm down | 14:09 |
gnarface | and it really should make you mad but you're a little late to the party | 14:10 |
KatolaZ | again, it's not amazon | 14:10 |
KatolaZ | it's whoever who got an aws instance | 14:10 |
KatolaZ | and yes, 98% of the web is spying on you | 14:10 |
KatolaZ | good morning | 14:10 |
KatolaZ | :) | 14:10 |
gnarface | it *could* just be the website's crappily implemented cloud scaling | 14:10 |
gnarface | that would be a really bad way to do it but i've seen more poorly conceived things | 14:11 |
filipdevuan | but anyways its not the systemd OS's that do that by default and i can feel safe even on systemd archbased antergos???? | 14:11 |
gnarface | well, yes and no | 14:12 |
KatolaZ | filipdevuan: what are you talking about?!? | 14:12 |
gnarface | filipdevuan: yes maybe antergos is not implicitly unsafe but really if you're just discovering all of this you need to read up on some basic info about web and email security... | 14:12 |
filipdevuan | yeah, but lets say i dont use any net browser and just use some apps on systemd distros im still worried about it that it sends info that i use this application right now or something lol | 14:13 |
KatolaZ | filipdevuan: you fear only those things that you don't understand | 14:13 |
KatolaZ | there is no evidence that systemd is spying on you | 14:13 |
KatolaZ | not so far | 14:13 |
KatolaZ | so please, let's avoid to spread FUD | 14:14 |
KatolaZ | systemd is bad for *other* reasons | 14:14 |
gnarface | now Ubuntu on the other hand... they're definitely spying on you but it's got nothing to do with systemd | 14:14 |
KatolaZ | exactly | 14:14 |
KatolaZ | they sold their users to amazon | 14:14 |
KatolaZ | sic and simpliciter | 14:14 |
filipdevuan | okay thank you very much devuan people :). yeah i can calm down now ;). thanks!!! | 14:14 |
KatolaZ | well, sic *et* simpliciter, actually :D | 14:15 |
filipdevuan | yeah not surprised that they did sell anything to amazon you know gaming platform steam does all crap stuff as well and on their website they say ubuntu is their fav website | 14:15 |
filipdevuan | this is what steam does apparently if u use it you may wanna read it :P | 14:16 |
filipdevuan | https://voat.co/v/technology/2475543 | 14:16 |
KatolaZ | filipdevuan: I don't use steam :) | 14:16 |
gnarface | firefox supposedly leaks a bunch of data by default too but you can shut off most of it in about:config | 14:16 |
gnarface | but whoever hosts your DNS also gets all the times and server host names of your web browsing history | 14:17 |
gnarface | so if you're really trying to not leak data to Google you gotta be careful where you put your email and DNS too | 14:18 |
filipdevuan | you mean put my email during registrations on vary websites?? | 14:19 |
gnarface | i mean where it is hosted | 14:20 |
gnarface | where the emails are stored | 14:20 |
filipdevuan | i use safe-mail.net i had to ask them for account lol ;P. | 14:20 |
filipdevuan | but i dont know what about dns i dont even know what dns is and how can i check whats my dns | 14:20 |
gnarface | sounds legit | 14:20 |
gnarface | either /etc/network/interfaces or /etc/resolv.conf probably has your DNS servers | 14:21 |
gnarface | normally these would be provided by your ISP but Google put up some free ones "for research" that everyone rushed to use like some blind sheep | 14:22 |
gnarface | if you trust your ISP you can trust their DNS servers but honestly i wouldn't | 14:22 |
filipdevuan | nah i dont really trust virgin media but it wasnt me who bought contract from them hahah so i cant do anything about it | 14:23 |
gnarface | actually yea you can | 14:23 |
filipdevuan | really | 14:23 |
gnarface | they can't force you to use their DNS | 14:23 |
filipdevuan | so when i get on resolv.conf i get that # Generated by NetworkManager | 14:23 |
filipdevuan | nameserver 192.168.0.1 | 14:23 |
gnarface | looks like your router | 14:23 |
gnarface | they might be able to force your router to use their DNS but even then you can override it for your desktop | 14:24 |
gnarface | honestly they may not even force your router to do it | 14:32 |
gnarface | they might just have provided the defaults | 14:32 |
filipdevuan | ok cheers | 14:36 |
stuckie | how can I update from jessie to ascii? | 16:09 |
Xenguy | stuckie: I'd look for a canonical post in the forums for that | 16:09 |
Xenguy | If you're lucky golinux might show up, and usually knows this stuff | 16:10 |
KatolaZ | stuckie: just read ASCII release notes | 16:10 |
stuckie | he's asleep right now | 16:10 |
KatolaZ | https://files.devuan.org/devuan_ascii/Release_notes.txt <- stuckie | 16:10 |
stuckie | he helped me earlier this morning | 16:10 |
KatolaZ | stuckie: ^^^^^ | 16:12 |
stuckie | it's cool | 16:13 |
* Xenguy reads ... | 16:14 | |
stuckie | if I understand correctly, openrc doesn't come with openrc init scripts | 16:14 |
eyalroz | I'm trying to install the package for adding git support to mercurial. I think it's supposed to be mercurial-git, but when I try | 20:02 |
eyalroz | $ apt-get install mercurial-git | 20:02 |
eyalroz | I get: | 20:02 |
eyalroz | Package mercurial-git is not available, but is referred to by another package. | 20:02 |
eyalroz | what gives? | 20:02 |
eyalroz | golinux: Would you like help translating fluxbb into Hebrew? | 20:04 |
KatolaZ | eyalroz: the package is not in ascii | 20:05 |
KatolaZ | pkginfo.devuan.org | 20:05 |
eyalroz | KatolaZ: This is super-weird, because it _was_ in Jessie. | 20:06 |
eyalroz | Did stretch reshuffle the mercurial-related packages perhaps? | 20:06 |
KatolaZ | eyalroz: complain with debian then :) | 20:07 |
KatolaZ | it's not in stretch | 20:07 |
KatolaZ | and it's not in buster | 20:07 |
KatolaZ | so it's not in ascii | 20:07 |
KatolaZ | and won't probably be in beowulf either | 20:07 |
KatolaZ | there must be some reason though | 20:07 |
eyalroz | This is really weird... it's in sid and ceres, and both jessie's, but not in stretch and ascii | 20:08 |
KatolaZ | https://tracker.debian.org/pkg/hg-git | 20:08 |
eyalroz | @KatolaZ: Complaining with #debian now. | 20:20 |
KatolaZ | eyalroz: normally there are *very* good reasons to exclude a package | 20:24 |
KatolaZ | usually an excluded package has serious packaging issues that have not been addressed | 20:24 |
eyalroz | @KatolaZ: I don't want them to change the decision, I just want a workaround | 20:25 |
eyalroz | So I've now also asked this: https://stackoverflow.com/q/51141845/1593077 | 20:26 |
KatolaZ | the workaround is to get the source package from ceres, and build it by yourself | 20:29 |
KatolaZ | but there is no guarantee that it will work | 20:29 |
KatolaZ | (if it worked seamlessly, the package would have been in stretch...) | 20:30 |
bozonius | devuan allows early mounting... e.g., /usr can be on its own partition. But the arch* distros and even alpine do not permit this! | 21:42 |
bozonius | Alpine claims to be ideal for embedded systems, so one would think a root filesystem should be as small as possible for that. Instead, they mush /usr and / all together, which can be huge, depending on what they are embedding. | 21:43 |
bozonius | On top of that, initramfs (or analog) can have whatever it is the embedded needs (i.e., the libs and progs normally in /usr) just to boot. | 21:44 |
bozonius | Instead, they soft link the executables and libraries to "work around it" which is... well, rather un-unix-like | 21:45 |
bozonius | I actually PREFER to have /usr on a separate fs. In fact, I like /var and /tmp on separate slices also. | 21:46 |
bozonius | I've had /tmp eat all the space on /, and I've seen /var do the same | 21:46 |
bozonius | Having them separate helps me figure out where the drain is occurring | 21:47 |
bozonius | Besides, why should any distro dictate how I must administer my OWN system? This was never the case in the past that I can recall. | 21:48 |
bozonius | It's my PC, which I paid for, my Internet connection (which I also pay for), and my time and effort. Why are the Windows kiddies allowed to commandeer *nix and the way it has always worked? If I yearned so hard for something like Windows, then I'd install Windows. | 21:50 |
* bozonius realizes no one is listening probably, but it feels SOOOOOOOO good to let it out... somewhere | 21:51 | |
phogg | bozonius: You didn't seem to have any kind of question. | 21:52 |
bozonius | true. Probably better for the debianfork channel... | 21:52 |
bozonius | sorry | 21:52 |
bozonius | (I keep forgetting) | 21:52 |
phogg | But FYI Lennart's opinion is that having a separate /usr partition is "broken" due to the possibility of needing a library or program on /usr during early boot, so distros using systemd have generally moved away from it. | 21:53 |
bozonius | (his opinion aside, phogg, prob. we should take this to the other channel) | 21:53 |
phogg | probably | 21:54 |
bozonius | (the mods get pissed at this kind of thing) | 21:54 |
bozonius | see you there | 21:54 |
bozonius | if I want to help with testing Beowulf, is there a page to look at to see what's going on, etc? | 22:30 |
golinux | Not yet | 22:31 |
eyalroz | golinux: I've resolved my mercurial-git issue by installing the sid .deb file (which is also the Ceres .deb file I would guess). | 22:35 |
eyalroz | StackOverflow page with question and answer: https://stackoverflow.com/questions/51141845/ | 22:35 |
grillon | hi there | 22:39 |
golinux | You should porobably replace the debian file with the one from Ceres if you want it to update properly. | 22:39 |
golinux | They are identical | 22:39 |
bozonius | I am interested in the package scribus. Currently, debian repos have scribus v.1.4.6, but I'd like to get v.1.4.7 -- would this be a candidate for devuan repos, or would it be better to get debian to provide the update... how does this work generally? | 22:48 |
NewGnuGuy | bozonius: scribus v.1.4.7 is in debian buster, so it ought to be in devuan beowulf. | 22:56 |
bozonius | ok, backports then? | 22:57 |
bozonius | I mean, backport for ascii? | 22:57 |
NewGnuGuy | bozonius: I don't believe it is in backports, but you should be able to temporarily add beowulf to your sources.list, apt-get update, install scribus, then remove beowulf from your sources.list, and apt-get update again. | 23:00 |
bozonius2 | and then see if it actually works, which it should, but there could be some library conflict | 23:00 |
eyalroz | golinux: There is no file from Ceres, AFAICT. And - the package has no binary files, so there's no potential incompatibilities. | 23:01 |
KatolaZ | eyalroz: there is no file in ceres | 23:02 |
KatolaZ | since that package has not been forked by devuan | 23:03 |
KatolaZ | so it comes directly from debian | 23:03 |
golinux | Via amprolla not directly thoug | 23:03 |
golinux | h, right? | 23:03 |
golinux | Maybe I'm misunderstanding something | 23:04 |
golinux | Please enlighten me. | 23:05 |
golinux | He installed it via sid | 23:05 |
KatolaZ | golinux: if a package has not been forked by devuan it comes directly from debian repos | 23:11 |
KatolaZ | it has always been so | 23:11 |
eyalroz | KatolaZ: I assumed that was the case until golinux suggested I try the "Ceres version", but there was none... | 23:14 |
KatolaZ | eyalroz: it's like I said | 23:14 |
KatolaZ | if a package has not been forked by devuan, it comes directly from the corresponding debian repo | 23:14 |
eyalroz | KatolaZ: Indeed. | 23:14 |
KatolaZ | this is how amprolla works | 23:14 |
golinux | eyalroz: Did you get that deb from deb.devuan.org or via amprolla? | 23:19 |
bozonius2 | NewGnuGuy: I added this to my source.list, but it errors on update: | 23:19 |
bozonius2 | deb http://auto.mirror.devuan.org/merged/ beowulf main contrib | 23:19 |
bozonius2 | not sure what it is supposed to be | 23:19 |
golinux | auto.mirror is obsolete | 23:20 |
golinux | Use deb.devuan.org | 23:20 |
NewGnuGuy | ^ | 23:20 |
golinux | NewGnuGuy: Hello stranger | 23:21 |
NewGnuGuy | hello | 23:21 |
KatolaZ | golinux: what do you mean by "or via amprolla"? | 23:24 |
KatolaZ | o_O | 23:24 |
KatolaZ | the repo available at deb.devuan.org is put together by amprolla... | 23:24 |
golinux | I understood that he DIDN'T get it from deb.devuan.org or any devuan repo | 23:26 |
KatolaZ | golinux: in this case it does not make any difference | 23:26 |
KatolaZ | since the package was not forked by devuan | 23:26 |
KatolaZ | so the package would in any case come from the corresponding debian repo | 23:26 |
golinux | OK. | 23:26 |
bozonius2 | NewGnuGuy: scribus causes a whole lot of other stuff to be updated also, especially on jessie, but also on ascii. | 23:28 |
bozonius2 | I think I'll patiently wait | 23:29 |
NewGnuGuy | Your choice | 23:29 |
bozonius2 | scribus 1.4.7 could be my test case for beowulf testing | 23:30 |
KatolaZ | is scribus still around? | 23:30 |
bozonius2 | is there something better? | 23:30 |
KatolaZ | I haven't used it in 10+ years I guess | 23:30 |
KatolaZ | oh I have no idea | 23:30 |
bozonius2 | There IS a 1.5.x but that's only dev versions | 23:31 |
KatolaZ | as I said, have not used anything like that in a lot of time | 23:31 |
bozonius2 | no word on a 1.6 release | 23:31 |
KatolaZ | I think the last one I used was back in 2008 or so | 23:31 |
bozonius2 | but 1.4.7 has some bug fixes that I'd like | 23:31 |
KatolaZ | according to wikipedia, it must have been any version number smaller than 1.3.5 | 23:34 |
KatolaZ | considering that I used debian, it must have probably been something like 1.3.3 or 1.3.4 | 23:34 |
KatolaZ | :D | 23:34 |
xrogaan | is there way to easily change the keyboard map then revert it back to how it was? | 23:36 |
bozonius | coulda sworn I registered at dev1galaxy.org... but now I can't log in | 23:40 |
bozonius | requested password reset, but no email! | 23:40 |
golinux | bozonius: You never verified your account | 23:42 |
golinux | In incomplete registration | 23:42 |
golinux | I can help you fix that | 23:42 |
bozonius | oops. | 23:45 |
bozonius | ok, what do I do? | 23:45 |
golinux | Let's pm | 23:50 |
golinux | If you can't find the confirmation email. Anyway, it's probably expired | 23:50 |
Mo_ | hey | 23:58 |
Mo_ | can you install virtual box on devuan?? does anyone noe?? | 23:59 |
golinux | Of course | 23:59 |
Mo_ | what are the steps to do so if you don't mind explaining?? | 23:59 |
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