| Nematocyst | changed video cards(downgraded to older card). thought 'apt remove nvidia-driver' and 'apt install nvidia-legacy-304xx-driver' would be all needed. but X doesn't start, dmesg indicates it is still using the current one (375.82) not 304xx. how to fix? | 01:11 |
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| gnarface | Nematocyst: `dpkg -l |grep nvidia -i` | 02:13 |
| gnarface | (make sure all the versions match. you probably have several packages still installed from the non-legacy version) | 02:13 |
| Nematocyst | gnarface, i got it. ultimately it was rebuilding the dkms module. not sure which of the things i tried that forced it to rebuild. but that fixed it | 02:19 |
| gnarface | ah, yea, one of those packages is supposed to trigger it automatically but it doesn't always work | 02:21 |
| epicmetal | KatolaZ: ok so there are a number of packages that have a higher version in ASCII than they do in Ceres... | 05:36 |
| epicmetal | e.g. dbus-x11 | 05:36 |
| epicmetal | Should I be just pinning these to ASCII as I come across them, as a general solution? | 05:37 |
| epicmetal | If I'm mainly running Ceres, that is | 05:37 |
| epicmetal | And some packages are just plain missing from Ceres but are available in ASCII, e.g. elogind | 05:41 |
| epicmetal | This all seems quite forgeign to the Debian Way of doing things, and I'm wondering why thi sis | 05:41 |
| epicmetal | why this is* | 05:41 |
| gnarface | epicmetal: are you sure you're not seeing a disruption in a 3rd party mirror or else something they are doing upstream | 06:10 |
| gnarface | ? | 06:10 |
| epicmetal | gnarface: not sure. I'm using au.deb.devuan.org | 06:13 |
| epicmetal | Stopping remaining crypto disks sda3_crypt (busy) ... failed | 06:27 |
| epicmetal | Anyone know why this is happening? I let d-i do its default "encrypted with LVM" partitioning and formatting without altering it | 06:28 |
| epicmetal | Hmm. I think I should run Debian for a while before venturing into Devuan land | 06:52 |
| golinux | Use the ASCII packages. | 07:05 |
| golinux | Work was done in ASCII instead of Ceres. But now that we are more synced with Debian, the changes will be made in Ceres and flow up to testing. | 07:07 |
| golinux | epicmetal gnarface ^^^ | 07:08 |
| epicmetal | golinux: as in pin them like I'm doing? Or just avoid Ceres at all costs? | 07:08 |
| golinux | Those packages 'should' work in Ceres. | 07:09 |
| golinux | There's only one way to gind out. :D | 07:09 |
| golinux | gind > find | 07:09 |
| epicmetal | golinux: I'm having othe weirdness but I think it is Debian weirdness and not specific to Devuan. Namely, I installed and then purge/autoremoved lxqt but packages are hanging around, even after setting false for SuggestsImportant and RecommendsImportant | 07:11 |
| epicmetal | e.g. lxqt-{policykit,powermanagement,session} still hang around for some reason | 07:12 |
| epicmetal | "aptitude why" explanations are inconsistent ot at least seem to be | 07:12 |
| epicmetal | So I should probably spend more time with Debian to rule out Devuan issues, I guess | 07:13 |
| golinux | Have you read the Release Nores? | 07:16 |
| golinux | The +kit stuff us really confusing. | 07:16 |
| golinux | https://files.devuan.org/devuan_ascii/Release_notes.txt | 07:17 |
| golinux | epicmetal: ^^^ | 07:17 |
| epicmetal | golinux: yes, but that's runtime dependencies, not apt/deb dependencies | 07:22 |
| golinux | True | 07:30 |
| golinux | I know some users are running Ceres. | 07:32 |
| epicmetal | It's Ceres or nothing, because ASCII/Stretch have showstopper bugs for me | 07:33 |
| golinux | Have you looked in backtports? | 07:36 |
| golinux | oops | 07:36 |
| golinux | Getting late . . . | 07:36 |
| epicmetal | golinux: it's a lib issue | 07:36 |
| epicmetal | And no, that lib isn't in backports | 07:37 |
| epicmetal | (libinput10) | 07:37 |
| epicmetal | My last viable non-systemd distro now is Void | 07:38 |
| golinux | [ascii] libinput10-1.6.3-1 | 07:38 |
| golinux | [beowulf] libinput10-1.11.1-1 | 07:38 |
| golinux | [ceres] libinput10-1.11.1-1 | 07:38 |
| golinux | The one from ASCII doesn't work? | 07:39 |
| epicmetal | It works but it is buggy | 07:39 |
| golinux | The other one doesn't wither? | 07:40 |
| epicmetal | Known bug, fixed in pustream | 07:40 |
| golinux | either | 07:40 |
| epicmetal | upstream* | 07:40 |
| epicmetal | golinux: I haven't tried installing the Ceres one into ASCII, I just assumed it wouln't work given the minor version is different | 07:40 |
| epicmetal | 6 -> 11 | 07:40 |
| golinux | I wish I could make it better | 07:41 |
| golinux | Nothing ventured! | 07:41 |
| epicmetal | Hmm, they both provide libinput.so.10 so maybe | 07:46 |
| epicmetal | One is linked to libinput.so.10.11.5, the other is linked to libinput.so.10.13.0 | 07:46 |
| * epicmetal proceeds to reinstall ASCII | 07:48 | |
| gnarface | epicmetal: maybe i can save you some time; if you are using Nvidia hardware and this is about Steam, you need to be running Ceres anyway, because it's the only one with new enough drivers | 07:59 |
| epicmetal | gnarface: intel | 08:00 |
| gnarface | (i blame Valve on that) | 08:00 |
| epicmetal | it's about my trackpoint | 08:00 |
| gnarface | well, just installing the ceres version may not work at least not stably, but there's a stronger chance that it will work stably if you rebuild the ceres package on ascii, using the ascii dependencies wherever possible | 08:01 |
| epicmetal | gnarface: that sounds hard to do properly | 08:01 |
| gnarface | it's sortof a gamble | 08:02 |
| gnarface | there's a relatively simple process using dpkg-buildpackage | 08:02 |
| gnarface | and if it works without needing changes to the code then you're good | 08:02 |
| gnarface | otherwise, you're S.O.L. | 08:02 |
| gnarface | (well not completely, as this situation will probably solve itself for you in a few days or weeks) | 08:03 |
| epicmetal | gnarface: how does it resolve in a few days or weeks? Isn't ASCII locked into its libinput10 version for life? | 08:05 |
| gnarface | yea, but it's not locked into a broken version for life | 08:07 |
| gnarface | the version number isn't everything | 08:07 |
| gnarface | there's a very high likelyhood that if you're not the only one experiencing this bug, that it will be fixed and a patch will be backported | 08:07 |
| epicmetal | Ok, but I'll be very surprised if this specific fix is backported | 08:07 |
| epicmetal | I hope it is, though | 08:08 |
| gnarface | i don't know but in general it happens all the time | 08:08 |
| epicmetal | It's a known bug, documented | 08:08 |
| gnarface | no known workarounds documented? | 08:08 |
| epicmetal | "upgrade your lib" | 08:09 |
| gnarface | hmmm | 08:09 |
| gnarface | so you add the ceres src line (just the src line) to your sources.list, | 08:09 |
| gnarface | then you: apt-get source [package name] | 08:10 |
| gnarface | that downloads the package to current directory | 08:10 |
| gnarface | i guess it might need to be apt-get -t ceres source [package name] | 08:10 |
| epicmetal | Why is apt-get dist upgrade trying to install Ceres packages if I've set APT::Default-Release "ascii"; ? | 08:10 |
| gnarface | don't dist-upgrade with ceres still in your sources.list | 08:11 |
| gnarface | comment that out when you're done with it | 08:11 |
| epicmetal | Isn't that what default-release is to prevent? | 08:11 |
| gnarface | hmmm. should be honestly but dist-upgrade might override it if ceres bins are in your sources.list? | 08:12 |
| gnarface | i don't know | 08:12 |
| gnarface | just get the ceres source package and try to build it with dpkg-buildpackage -us -uc | 08:12 |
| gnarface | you will probably have to get the build dependencies first (they're different from the runtime dependencies) | 08:13 |
| gnarface | i gotta go now but i'll be back later | 08:13 |
| epicmetal | gnarface: yeah, this is getting hairy. | 08:23 |
| epicmetal | find: 'debian/tmp': No such file or directory | 08:24 |
| epicmetal | debian/rules:11: recipe for target 'override_dh_install' failed | 08:24 |
| epicmetal | I'm way out of my depth in terms of Debian-fu | 08:24 |
| gnarface | epicmetal: you ran it from inside the src directory? and you had all the build depends? "apt-get build-dep [package name]" and "apt-get install build-essential" may help | 10:05 |
| epicmetal | gnarface: yep | 10:05 |
| gnarface | sounds like a mess | 10:05 |
| gnarface | sorry i got nothing | 10:05 |
| epicmetal | it was | 10:05 |
| gnarface | what do you need the new one for? device support? | 10:05 |
| epicmetal | That's probably a good thing, because I blew the install away | 10:05 |
| epicmetal | Yeah, without the new one, the mouse acceleration is unfixably slow | 10:06 |
| gnarface | oh, that sucks | 10:06 |
| epicmetal | It really does | 10:06 |
| KatolaZ | epicmetal: wazzup? | 10:06 |
| epicmetal | KatolaZ: hi! Installing Sid... | 10:06 |
| KatolaZ | what are you trying to build? | 10:07 |
| epicmetal | I was trying to backport Ceres' libinput10 to ASCII | 10:07 |
| KatolaZ | a particular reason for that? | 10:07 |
| epicmetal | KatolaZ: Stretch/ASCII version has a known bug that makes my trackpoint move too slowly | 10:08 |
| epicmetal | Ceres was not working for me, so Sid it is, for now | 10:09 |
| epicmetal | Although kudos to whoever picked the Ceres codename, it sounds cool | 10:10 |
| epicmetal | Not sure I agreed with calling Devuan 1.0 the same as the Debian codename it was based on, though... | 10:10 |
| KatolaZ | epicmetal: tbh the names of releases are the least of my concern... | 10:11 |
| KatolaZ | :D | 10:11 |
| KatolaZ | if it were on my, I would hve called them a, b, c, d, e... | 10:11 |
| epicmetal | Ha | 10:11 |
| epicmetal | I'm glad it wasn't up to you then ;) | 10:12 |
| KatolaZ | uh? | 10:12 |
| epicmetal | Single char codenames and codenames shared with other distros make conversation and Googling difficult | 10:12 |
| KatolaZ | confusion is only in the mind of confused people :) | 10:13 |
| epicmetal | KatolaZ: it's more a matter of convenience than confusion | 10:17 |
| gnarface | ceres didn't work? | 10:17 |
| gnarface | why not? | 10:17 |
| gnarface | i doubt sid will if ceres didn't | 10:17 |
| gnarface | it's usually a kernel issue | 10:18 |
| KatolaZ | epicmetal: it was exactly a matter of convenience | 10:18 |
| KatolaZ | it made a lot of sense to call the first Devuan Jessie | 10:19 |
| epicmetal | gnarface: Ceres is fine, I'm just not that well versed in advanced Debian | 10:19 |
| epicmetal | gnarface: I figure it's best if I run Sid for a while so that I can familiarise myself with that first | 10:19 |
| gnarface | i think it'll just pollute your mind but it's your call | 10:19 |
| epicmetal | Instead of always wondering "is this a Debian thing or a Devuan thing" | 10:19 |
| gnarface | lol i think you'll end up installing windows | 10:20 |
| KatolaZ | gnarface: namely | 10:20 |
| epicmetal | gnarface: I already have that installed on another machine | 10:20 |
| KatolaZ | I have heard this many times | 10:20 |
| KatolaZ | :) | 10:20 |
| KatolaZ | epicmetal: if you are fine with Debian Sid, you probably don't need Devuan at all | 10:20 |
| epicmetal | KatolaZ: how so? | 10:20 |
| gnarface | the package selection is almost identical | 10:21 |
| KatolaZ | epicmetal: why do you need to change distro if the current one works fine? | 10:22 |
| epicmetal | There is no "current one", the laptop was wiped | 10:22 |
| epicmetal | Oh, you mean why move away from Ceres? | 10:22 |
| KatolaZ | so you have never used linux before? | 10:22 |
| KatolaZ | o_O | 10:22 |
| epicmetal | Oh. Well I was on Arch prior to all this | 10:22 |
| gnarface | he had ascii on there but it's libintput is too old for his hardware | 10:23 |
| epicmetal | I thought I'd try non-systemd land | 10:23 |
| KatolaZ | oh, that's why you decided to install Debian sid then :D | 10:23 |
| gnarface | heh | 10:23 |
| epicmetal | KatolaZ: all the non-systemd distros on my shortlist got too hard | 10:23 |
| KatolaZ | too hard? | 10:23 |
| KatolaZ | and do you think that Debian Sid is easier? | 10:24 |
| epicmetal | No, but I'm in a Debian mood now after Devuan :) | 10:24 |
| KatolaZ | ... | 10:24 |
| epicmetal | I really should be just trying to get Void Linux to work | 10:24 |
| epicmetal | I've been drooling over that for a while | 10:25 |
| KatolaZ | sorry, I have never chosen distros based on mood, so I can't help here ;) | 10:25 |
| epicmetal | KatolaZ: I figure running Sid is easier than running Ceres, because it is one less unknown | 10:25 |
| epicmetal | That's all | 10:25 |
| epicmetal | If I get good with Sid, I can migrate again | 10:26 |
| KatolaZ | epicmetal: I am just trying to say that this is probably not the case, but YMMV | 10:26 |
| KatolaZ | if you have never used a debian-based distro before, you shouldn't stay on unstable | 10:26 |
| KatolaZ | IMHO | 10:26 |
| KatolaZ | because you will end up throwing your computer out of the window | 10:27 |
| epicmetal | KatolaZ: for example, when the dpkg-buildpackage failed before, I was wondering "is this some Devuan quirk or would this have happened on Debian" | 10:27 |
| KatolaZ | within a couple of weeks | 10:27 |
| epicmetal | KatolaZ: I've run Debian before, including Sid | 10:27 |
| KatolaZ | or maybe earlier | 10:27 |
| KatolaZ | oh then you are fine | 10:27 |
| epicmetal | I've run most distros :) | 10:28 |
| KatolaZ | oh lucky you | 10:28 |
| epicmetal | Oh yeah, living the dream here | 10:28 |
| KatolaZ | I have run only five or six | 10:28 |
| epicmetal | Arch was the comfiest I got | 10:28 |
| epicmetal | I'll probably end up back there after I've exhausted myself | 10:28 |
| epicmetal | Is it weird for a distro installer to write the root password of the target system into a file in a tmpfs? | 10:30 |
| epicmetal | It seems odd to me | 10:30 |
| KatolaZ | epicmetal: ? | 10:30 |
| epicmetal | Nevermind, offtopic | 10:31 |
| aitor | hi | 13:17 |
| aitor | i'm trying to finish simple-netaid-gtk | 13:19 |
| aitor | tomorrow i'll upload funtional packages | 13:19 |
| aitor | need to go, i'll be here this afternoon | 13:19 |
| * mirda disconnect | 15:45 | |
| TheBlueWizard | is it OK to comment out apt/source.list line that has [cdrom] in it after installing from dvd? I thought it was already disabled but apt update complains about not being able to update from cdrom | 16:37 |
| fsmithred | TheBlueWizard, yes, comment out the cdrom line. | 16:51 |
| g4570n | viste la preg que te dejé en el canal de devuan en telegram? | 17:13 |
| g4570n | sorry | 17:13 |
| TheBlueWizard | which tool/utility would let me 'magnify' the screen (in X session, of course)? | 20:28 |
| MinceR | xmag, kmag | 20:29 |
| TheBlueWizard | thanks! | 20:32 |
| MinceR | np | 20:41 |
| TheBlueWizard | hmm...I found kmag in synaptics, but no xmag....I guess it is not packaged in devuan space | 21:02 |
| nacelle | xmag probably comes with some standard x11 utils package | 21:02 |
| nacelle | etc. | 21:02 |
| * TheBlueWizard notes that kmag has numerous dependencies, and believes xmag would be more lightweight | 21:03 | |
| TheBlueWizard | maybe....I guess it would be launched from command shell | 21:03 |
| * TheBlueWizard thinks magnifier should be included in accessibility menu...he uses magnifier a lot on Windows (both at work and at home) cuz his vision is not so 20/20 anymore | 21:04 | |
| nacelle | Package: x11-apps | 21:05 |
| nacelle | Version: 7.7+4 | 21:05 |
| nacelle | Installed-Size: 2044 | 21:05 |
| nacelle | Maintainer: Debian X Strike Force <debian-x@lists.debian.org> | 21:05 |
| nacelle | Architecture: amd64 | 21:05 |
| nacelle | Replaces: bitmap, oclock, transset, x11perf, xbase-clients (<= 1:7.2.ds2-3), xbiff, xcalc, xclipboard, xclock, xconsole, xcursorgen, xditview, xeyes, xgc, xload, xlogo, xmag, xman, xmore, xwd, xwud | 21:05 |
| nacelle | try the x11-apps package | 21:05 |
| nacelle | it has xmag in it | 21:05 |
| nacelle | I'm guessing that if you have x11 installed you probably have xmag installed already | 21:06 |
| * nacelle hopes that helps out TheBlueWizard | 21:06 | |
| * TheBlueWizard searches...sees x11-apps already installed, though Synaptics doesn't list the contents | 21:06 | |
| TheBlueWizard | brb...lunchtime! | 21:07 |
| nacelle | apt-cache show x11-apps | 21:23 |
| AlexLikeRock | how to open "EML" extention files ? | 21:33 |
| TheBlueWizard | I searched...found info on what EML is: https://fileinfo.com/extension/eml | 21:54 |
| TheBlueWizard | that should serve as a starting point for finding tools to open that file | 21:54 |
| * TheBlueWizard tried out xmag...and is disappointed....it just take a static snapshot of a small area....no dynamic viewing | 21:58 | |
| MinceR | kmag has dynamic vewing | 22:05 |
| MinceR | s/ew/iew/ | 22:05 |
| MinceR | > magnifier should be included in accessibility menu | 22:05 |
| MinceR | it probably is, if it's installed | 22:05 |
| fsmithred | I think it comes with gnome-accessibility-theme | 22:07 |
| TheBlueWizard | MinceR: there is no magnifier utility in the accessibility menu (when installed from a DVD)...that's why I'm searching...ok re: kmag; will install that then | 22:11 |
| TheBlueWizard | kmag installed....tried it...it works, but I keep getting the error message "QDBusObjectPath: invalid file """....any idea why? | 22:33 |
| MinceR | ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ | 22:36 |
| MinceR | dbugs is like that | 22:36 |
| TheBlueWizard | are you saying dbus can get glitchy? | 22:36 |
| * TheBlueWizard notes the wrong word....s/file/path/ | 22:37 | |
| MinceR | no, i'm saying dbugs is a big glitch | 22:37 |
| TheBlueWizard | oh...so you're saying dbus is buggy by nature??? if so, that's crazy! | 22:38 |
| MinceR | it's defective by design | 22:42 |
| TheBlueWizard | I see | 22:45 |
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