| aitor | time to bed, bye :) | 00:14 |
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| elge | meow. I am on ascii. are we missing the `lockdown` init script? | 09:53 |
| elge | I do not see the lockdown package, it is useful for ifuse to mount iphone | 09:53 |
| gnarface | did you check the repo to see if it's there? | 09:54 |
| gnarface | `apt-cache search lockdown` | 09:54 |
| gnarface | maybe its just not installed by default | 09:54 |
| elge | gnarface, yes that's the thing. the package does not exist | 09:55 |
| gnarface | maybe its in backports | 09:55 |
| gnarface | i see it in ceres | 09:55 |
| elge | gnarface, backports from debian stretch? | 09:56 |
| elge | I see no backports on ascii dists/. what is ceres? | 09:57 |
| gnarface | there should be a ascii-backports | 09:57 |
| gnarface | ceres corresponds to sid | 09:57 |
| elge | not on http://auto.mirror.devuan.org/merged/dists/ascii/ | 09:57 |
| gnarface | hmm. might be the old hostname you're using | 09:57 |
| gnarface | try changing it to deb.devuan.org | 09:59 |
| elge | gnarface, thanks, using the right mirror now. but still no lockdown pkg against main contrib non-free | 10:01 |
| gnarface | you remembered to run apt-get update? | 10:01 |
| elge | what about Beowulf? | 10:01 |
| elge | gnarface, of course | 10:02 |
| gnarface | assuming so, try adding ascii-backports | 10:02 |
| gnarface | then try it with apt-cache -t ascii-backports search lockdown | 10:02 |
| gnarface | if its not in there, yea i guess it might be in beowulf, i forgot about that | 10:02 |
| gnarface | i don't think beowulf is considered really ready yet but i have heard reports of people successfully upgrading from ascii | 10:03 |
| elge | ok even in ascii-backports ( | 10:03 |
| gnarface | you might try to build the source package from there on ascii yourself | 10:03 |
| gnarface | maybe it'll work | 10:03 |
| elge | I found lockdown into beowulf, upgrading. | 10:07 |
| gnarface | you might want to make a backup first of your working ascii system, just in case | 10:08 |
| elge | upgrade went fine, just had to --fix-missing | 13:33 |
| elge | well the upgrade did brake X | 14:12 |
| KatolaZ | elge: upgrade to what? | 14:15 |
| elge | ascii --> beowulf, X starts but | 14:18 |
| elge | [system] Activated service 'org.freedesktop.PolicyKit1' failed: Launch helper exited with unknown return code 127 | 14:19 |
| elge | when ever some program triggers this | 14:19 |
| elge | so far I have seen libpolkit-gobject-1-0 invloved | 14:20 |
| KatolaZ | elge: many packages need to be built for beowulf before it can be used as ascii | 14:21 |
| KatolaZ | I am on beowulf since several weeks ago | 14:21 |
| KatolaZ | but I am using no DE | 14:21 |
| KatolaZ | I need no suspend/poweroff/automount/automagic | 14:21 |
| KatolaZ | those are the things that would probably not work ootb in beowulf so far | 14:22 |
| elge | Error: GDBus.Error:org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.Spawn.ChildExited: Launch helper exited with unknown return code 127 | 14:24 |
| KatolaZ | elge: see above please | 14:25 |
| KatolaZ | expect some stuff to not work in beowulf | 14:26 |
| KatolaZ | namely, most of the stuff that depends on systemd | 14:26 |
| KatolaZ | including desktop-related goodies and automagicalities | 14:26 |
| elge | katolaz, well I believe this can be fixed, it is not like the system is entirely broken | 14:27 |
| elge | I will try to fix it | 14:27 |
| KatolaZ | elge: I am just saying :) | 14:27 |
| FlibberTGibbet | so KatolaZ, is it safe to use in production yet? :P | 14:31 |
| KatolaZ | :P | 14:32 |
| KatolaZ | it is for my production | 14:32 |
| KatolaZ | :P | 14:32 |
| FlibberTGibbet | awesome! | 14:33 |
| FlibberTGibbet | not that brave here. but loving my new ascii file server | 14:33 |
| KatolaZ | FlibberTGibbet: I have always used Debian testing, since woody | 14:37 |
| KatolaZ | and switched to the next one as soon as it became stable | 14:37 |
| KatolaZ | (before Devuan ASCII, obviously) | 14:37 |
| KatolaZ | (well, before Jessie, actually) | 14:38 |
| FlibberTGibbet | KatolaZ: fair enough, as you have the chops to run a test release as more or less stable | 14:39 |
| FlibberTGibbet | i had an early beta of jessie running on a client system "just because". never gave me a moment's problem tbh | 14:40 |
| elge | the shared object I need to fix polkit is into libpolkit-gobject-1-dev. when install --reinstall _ing_ it, it triggers the polkit thing, preventing the installation to go through. happy happy failing loop there | 14:40 |
| KatolaZ | elge: I told you | 14:41 |
| KatolaZ | all those polkit stuff depends on libpam-systemd | 14:41 |
| KatolaZ | there is not enough meat in beowulf atm to get around the issue, AFAIK | 14:41 |
| elge | the dbus init script works fine | 14:44 |
| elge | ok deep down the hole it triggers libc-bin which ends up in a timeout. that looks harder to fix) | 14:58 |
| elge | so I am considering a switch to debian. I would like to avoid reinstalling the whole system. | 14:58 |
| KatolaZ | o_O | 14:58 |
| elge | is there a way to switch to debian, possibly reinstalling the systemd-related pkgs? | 14:59 |
| MinceR | maybe you could get someone in the systemd camp to make such a guide | 15:00 |
| elge | heh they would probably answer: you tried to live without us, your fault! | 15:00 |
| elge | now stick to it! | 15:01 |
| KatolaZ | :D | 15:02 |
| elge | at least now my error has changed, after I put the shared object in place. | 15:03 |
| elge | failed to load os-release: Key file does not have key “VERSION_ID” in group “os-release” | 15:03 |
| MinceR | could put in some quotes from the Book of Origin | 15:04 |
| elge | any idea where to add beowulf in that os-release thing? | 15:09 |
| KatolaZ | elge: it's an lsb-related file | 15:09 |
| KatolaZ | should be /etc/os-release | 15:10 |
| elge | thanks. | 15:10 |
| elge | hmm I have ID but no VERSION_ID | 15:11 |
| elge | into /etc/os-release | 15:11 |
| eyalroz | Running a Cinnamon (fallback) session on Devuan ASCII, I'm not able to find how to manage my keyboard layouts. Specifically, I can't find something relevant on the menus nor can I add a keyboard layouts panel applet. Am I missing some package? | 15:18 |
| elge | system settings --> keyboard / shortcuts | 15:25 |
| elge | or with MATE Settings -> keyboard shortcuts | 15:26 |
| elge | ok the os-release issue comes from debian itself | 15:29 |
| eyalroz | elge: There is no "System Settings" on the menu. | 15:30 |
| eyalroz | There's "Sytem > Preferences", but that doesn't have Keyboard Shortcuts | 15:31 |
| eyalroz | There's also no "Settings". | 15:31 |
| elge | 15:34:41 < jelly> elge: that gets fixed late in the release process | 15:35 |
| elge | from #debian | 15:35 |
| elge | so I guess we will have to wait until buster gets released before playing with beowulf | 15:35 |
| eyalroz | elge: Also, even though I supposedly have a pair of layouts - Hebrew and English - only some apps respect this (e.g. Gnome terminal, Libreoffice) while other apps, when I switch to Hebrew layout, just refuse to add any characters (except punctuation). | 15:37 |
| jelly | elge: os-release is probably one of those things that a distro needs to manage on its own | 15:38 |
| jelly | because it's its own OS really | 15:39 |
| elge | right, I have added VERSION_ID=10 and avoided that warning | 15:39 |
| elge | I am now back to systemd issues. | 15:39 |
| jelly | wut | 15:39 |
| * jelly thought Devuan was made to AVOID systemd issues | 15:40 | |
| jelly | by avoiding the thing completely | 15:40 |
| gnarface | he's trying to go back | 15:44 |
| elge | well the devuan polkit packages are empty | 15:44 |
| elge | no wonder it cannot work | 15:44 |
| gnarface | its ill-advised | 15:44 |
| djph | why not just install Debian then? | 15:44 |
| gnarface | he thinks this will be less trouble | 15:44 |
| gnarface | but it would probably work better on ceres | 15:44 |
| elge | I do not think I can downgrade back to ascii can I? | 15:45 |
| elge | hmm I would go on ceres then, I am fucked anyway | 15:45 |
| gnarface | in theory you might successfully downgrade, but it's not even a supported option in debian | 15:45 |
| gnarface | usually what happens when you downgrade is something breaks in a non-obvious way that comes back to bite you later | 15:46 |
| elge | well that happened with upgrade to unstable already, so it cannot be worse) | 15:46 |
| elge | oops, upgrade to testing. | 15:46 |
| gnarface | before you give up and wipe it anyway it might be worth trying ceres | 15:47 |
| elge | ok | 15:47 |
| elge | cannot upgrade because of PackageKit not able to restart | 15:56 |
| elge | this is dbus related again | 15:57 |
| gnarface | maybe purge all the gui stuff first | 15:58 |
| mtnman | elho. | 16:43 |
| mtnman | on my newly installed devuan box, the ethernet interface has a long, unwieldly, name which is ~15 characters in lenght. how difficult is it to change this to a shorter, easier to remember/type name? | 16:45 |
| mtnman | ok now i notice it is en{mac-address} | 16:47 |
| mtnman | question remains: is it possible to change the name of the ethernet interface? | 16:49 |
| fsmithred | mtnman, eudev should be changing it for you | 16:50 |
| fsmithred | you installed ascii? | 16:50 |
| mtnman | yes ascii | 16:50 |
| mtnman | i am not familiar with eudev | 16:50 |
| fsmithred | dpkg -l |grep udev | 16:51 |
| fsmithred | don't post it here | 16:51 |
| fsmithred | the spam filter might bite you | 16:51 |
| fsmithred | it should show eudev, libeudev1, udev with a devuan version, libudev1 with a devuan version | 16:52 |
| mtnman | yes eudev is installed. | 16:53 |
| fsmithred | eudev 3.2.2-13, udev 1:3.2.2+devuan2.11 | 16:53 |
| fsmithred | does /etc/init.d/udev exist? | 16:54 |
| fsmithred | what kind of install did you do? | 16:55 |
| mtnman | live dist on usb | 16:55 |
| fsmithred | ok, that's weird. I made the desktop-live isos, and I get the old names | 16:56 |
| mtnman | thanks for making the isos. much appreciated. it is a stepping stone til i'm ready to install to disk. | 16:57 |
| fsmithred | vbox or qemu? | 16:57 |
| mtnman | not sure what you mean | 16:58 |
| fsmithred | you're installing into a virtual machine? | 16:58 |
| fsmithred | or just running the live usb? | 16:58 |
| mtnman | no live usb | 16:58 |
| * mtnman is running the live usb | 16:59 | |
| fsmithred | cat /proc/cmdline | 16:59 |
| fsmithred | make sure you don't have net.ifnames=1 in the boot command | 16:59 |
| mtnman | devuan@devuan:~$ cat /proc/cmdline | 17:00 |
| mtnman | BOOT_IMAGE=/live/vmlinuz boot=live username=devuan | 17:00 |
| fsmithred | yeah, that's right | 17:00 |
| fsmithred | damn | 17:00 |
| fsmithred | and you used the actual release iso and not a beta, right? | 17:01 |
| mtnman | yes the release afaik | 17:01 |
| fsmithred | should not have "beta" or "RC" in the file name | 17:02 |
| fsmithred | maybe parazyd has ideas. ^^^ | 17:02 |
| mtnman | no beta or RC in the filename | 17:02 |
| mtnman | filename of the iso is devuan_ascii_2.0.0_amd64_desktop-live.iso | 17:03 |
| mtnman | where do i look for net.ifnames=1 ? | 17:04 |
| fsmithred | you already did | 17:04 |
| fsmithred | that's what you add to the boot command to use the "predictable" (long and unwieldy) names | 17:05 |
| mtnman | where would i have found that? | 17:05 |
| mtnman | where is the boot command located? | 17:05 |
| fsmithred | cat /proc/cmdline or in the boot menu | 17:05 |
| mtnman | aha. | 17:05 |
| fsmithred | in root of the iso | 17:05 |
| fsmithred | boot/grub/grub.cfg if booted uefi, isolinux/live.cfg if legacy boot | 17:05 |
| mtnman | i assume eufi is the default? | 17:06 |
| fsmithred | depends on motherboard | 17:07 |
| fsmithred | how old is the computer? | 17:07 |
| fsmithred | ls /sys/firmware/efi | 17:08 |
| fsmithred | if it exists, you booted uefi | 17:08 |
| mtnman | a few years old. i just acquired the laptop used. its a toshiba C875D | 17:08 |
| mtnman | /sys/firmware/efi exists | 17:09 |
| fsmithred | I have to go out now. I'll give it some thought, and maybe I'll get an idea. | 17:10 |
| mtnman | thanks for the help. bye for now. | 17:11 |
| fsmithred | later... | 17:11 |
| bozonius | (on an ascii VM) remmina : Depends: libssh-4 (>= 0.8.0~20170825.94fa1e38) but 0.7.3-2 is to be installed | 17:33 |
| bozonius | am I mixing, say, backports with main ? | 17:33 |
| bozonius | I commented out ascii-backports and reran update, then tried to install remmina and ssh-4; it can't find either. | 17:37 |
| bozonius | so it is an incompat in backports ? | 17:37 |
| KatolaZ | bozonius: which repo are you using? | 17:43 |
| bozonius | define "using" | 17:43 |
| bozonius | you mean which mirror? | 17:43 |
| bozonius | deb.devuan.org | 17:44 |
| KatolaZ | ok | 17:44 |
| KatolaZ | libssh-4 is in ascii-backports | 17:45 |
| KatolaZ | https://pkginfo.devuan.org/cgi-bin/d1pkgweb-query?search=libssh-4&release=any | 17:45 |
| bozonius | so is remmina it seems | 17:45 |
| KatolaZ | nope bozonius | 17:45 |
| KatolaZ | how are you installing remmina? | 17:45 |
| bozonius | apt-get install remmina | 17:45 |
| bozonius | if i disable backports, it can't find remmina | 17:46 |
| KatolaZ | bozonius: apt-get install -t ascii-backports remmina | 17:46 |
| bozonius | I found I don't need to | 17:46 |
| bozonius | why is the -t needed | 17:47 |
| KatolaZ | because you have to specify which version you want | 17:47 |
| KatolaZ | and remmina is only in backports | 17:47 |
| bozonius | then why does it give me the message I posted, above? | 17:48 |
| KatolaZ | and if you don't specify -t apt won't satisfy the deps | 17:48 |
| bozonius | thanks, that's working now. | 17:50 |
| bozonius | so, there is a version of remmina in backports and in main? | 17:50 |
| KatolaZ | uh? | 17:51 |
| bozonius | (I'm confused) | 17:51 |
| KatolaZ | np | 17:52 |
| KatolaZ | ascii-backports is a suite | 17:52 |
| KatolaZ | it contains the components "main", "contrib" and "non-free" | 17:52 |
| KatolaZ | as any other suite, usually | 17:52 |
| KatolaZ | remmina is only in ascii-backports | 17:52 |
| bozonius | and libssh-4 | 17:53 |
| bozonius | with no "-t", I got: remmina : Depends: libssh-4 (>= 0.8.0~20170825.94fa1e38) but 0.7.3-2 is to be installed | 17:54 |
| KatolaZ | yes bozonius | 17:54 |
| bozonius | where was it finding out that remmina needed that dependency? If the -t is required, then to my way of thinking, it should have failed to find remmina | 17:55 |
| bozonius | how come it found it anyway? | 17:55 |
| bozonius | iow, KatolaZ, wouldn't apt need to first discover the dependency, which would require it to actually find the package (which is only in backports as you say) | 17:57 |
| bozonius | or is it discovering the dependency some other way? | 17:58 |
| KatolaZ | no bozonius | 17:58 |
| bozonius | ? | 17:58 |
| KatolaZ | -t changes the default release for that operation | 17:58 |
| KatolaZ | man apt-get | 17:58 |
| KatolaZ | look for "-t" | 17:58 |
| bozonius | yeah, I get that part | 17:58 |
| bozonius | that isn't what I am asking | 17:58 |
| KatolaZ | bozonius: if you don't set -t ascii-backports, apt tries to satisfy the deps according to their priority | 17:59 |
| KatolaZ | apt-cache polict libssh-4 | 17:59 |
| KatolaZ | sorry | 17:59 |
| KatolaZ | apt-cache policy libssh-4 | 17:59 |
| bozonius | so then the -t is for resolving the dependencies, not for finding the package? | 17:59 |
| KatolaZ | bozonius: look at the difference between | 18:00 |
| KatolaZ | apt-cache policy libssh-4 | 18:00 |
| KatolaZ | apt-cache policy -t ascii-backports libssh-4 | 18:00 |
| bozonius | I ran both commands, and got the same output | 18:03 |
| KatolaZ | impossible bozonius | 18:03 |
| KatolaZ | you got a different output | 18:03 |
| KatolaZ | and the difference is in the priority of the package | 18:04 |
| KatolaZ | the number before the url | 18:04 |
| KatolaZ | it's 500 in the first case | 18:04 |
| KatolaZ | 990 in the second case | 18:04 |
| KatolaZ | unless you have already installed the version in backports | 18:04 |
| bozonius | Ah, I missed that when eyeballing it. When I did a diff, I saw it | 18:04 |
| bozonius | but that doesn't answer my question | 18:05 |
| KatolaZ | yes, it does | 18:05 |
| bozonius | no | 18:05 |
| bozonius | is -t only for resolving dependencies? | 18:05 |
| bozonius | if it is, then it makes sense | 18:05 |
| bozonius | otherwise, I am still confused | 18:05 |
| KatolaZ | bozonius: again, -t sets the priority of the named suite to 990 | 18:06 |
| KatolaZ | dependencies are resolved using their priorities | 18:06 |
| KatolaZ | since you can have many suites that provide the needed deps | 18:06 |
| bozonius | ok, so then, as I said, -t is only for the deps | 18:06 |
| KatolaZ | ... | 18:06 |
| KatolaZ | no bozonius | 18:06 |
| KatolaZ | it's not only for the deps | 18:06 |
| KatolaZ | it sets the priority of the named suite to 990 | 18:07 |
| bozonius | ok, then how did apt-get find remmina without the -t ?? | 18:07 |
| KatolaZ | with all the consequences of that | 18:07 |
| KatolaZ | because you have ascii-backports in your sources.list | 18:07 |
| KatolaZ | o_O | 18:07 |
| bozonius | this is not quite as clear as you see it. I come from the rpm and pacman worlds | 18:07 |
| bozonius | they also have "pinning" and priorities, and such | 18:08 |
| KatolaZ | then you should read about apt | 18:08 |
| bozonius | but it done differently | 18:08 |
| bozonius | perhaps | 18:08 |
| bozonius | anyway, thanks for the help. SOrry if I am not a good student yet... | 18:09 |
| bozonius | I will read up more on apt | 18:09 |
| KatolaZ | sorry for not being a good teacher bozonius | 18:09 |
| KatolaZ | :\ | 18:09 |
| bozonius | nah, you're fine | 18:10 |
| bozonius | (remember you are talking to bozonius here) | 18:10 |
| bozonius | (I'm kinda slow...) | 18:10 |
| mtnman | elho | 18:27 |
| ml| | Hello, a long time Debian user that would migrate to Devuan. Have read the migrating instructions for stable. Would these also work when using 'testing' instead in the sources.list? Current system consists of a mix of testing[99%], and unstable and experimental as needed. | 23:14 |
| ml| | Current sources.list: https://paste.debian.net/1033037/ Would that sources.list work, for migrating to Devuan by only changing the urls? Thank You | 23:17 |
| ml| | s/would/would like | 23:18 |
| golinux | ml|: Since devuan does not always sync with the debian release schedule, use of stable, testing etc. is not recommended. | 23:26 |
| golinux | Instead use the release name - jessie, ASCII, Beowulf, Ceres etc. | 23:27 |
| golinux | AFAICR, no one has yet tried a Buster to Beowulf migration. | 23:28 |
| golinux | Please have a look at this page https://devuan.org/os/etc/apt/sources.list | 23:29 |
| ml| | golinux: Alright, was about to ask if using beowolf would work. heh | 23:29 |
| golinux | Depending on your setup it may or may not work. | 23:29 |
| ml| | Thank You for that link could not find that. | 23:29 |
| ml| | Like I said it is 99% testing with one or two packages from unstable and experimental. But yes understand. | 23:31 |
| golinux | You might try a generic buster in a VM and upgrade to beowulf | 23:32 |
| ml| | How about tracking unstable instead and migrating to Devuan then? | 23:33 |
| golinux | unstab;le is beowulf | 23:34 |
| golinux | Oops. Brain fart | 23:34 |
| ml| | Yes, will clone my current install before trying anything. And was going to mess around in a VM before trying anything also. Heh, no problem. | 23:35 |
| golinux | I thought of that but there were many changes in jessie > ascii that might not work if you don't pass through it. | 23:35 |
| golinux | I'm not very adventurous so not much experience. | 23:36 |
| golinux | It would be best to get your system in a VM. If you do try, please let us know how it goes. | 23:37 |
| ml| | Yes, typical it is better to follow the upgrade path instead of skipping over a step. | 23:37 |
| ml| | *typically | 23:37 |
| golinux | By the time Beowulf is stable, we'll have it figured out. | 23:37 |
| golinux | Your input could be useful, if you're up for it. | 23:38 |
| ml| | Will report back once get a chance to try these ideas out. Will try it, just need to find the time. Have a few things to upgrade before try these. | 23:39 |
| golinux | Yeah, it will eat up more than a few hours most likely | 23:40 |
| Chanku | Yeah, although I have to admit Devuan is remarkedly stable. It's slowly moving to what it needs, and I am pretty sure that the speed of releases is slowly getting a bit faster. | 23:41 |
| ml| | If all goes well, cloning will take most of the time. The rest should be easy, since do not run a DE, just a WM[xmonad]. | 23:42 |
| Chanku | Also I'm looking to Beowulf becoming stable enough to run testing on my local machine, as I will probably desire to upgrade to it at some point. | 23:42 |
| golinux | Note that beowulf is not yet even listed on the source.list page. Just add the codename where appropriate | 23:42 |
| golinux | You're chances of success are better using a WM rather than a DE | 23:43 |
| ml| | Should be, hopefully. | 23:45 |
| ml| | golinux: Thank You for your input. | 23:49 |
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