| djph | DocScrutinizer05: exactly, the manual is where you tell people to put the design file in their package ... thing | 02:04 |
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| rah | does anyone know of an apt-cacher-ng mirrors file for Devuan mirrors? | 21:33 |
| rah | the source here doesn't seem to add one: https://packages.devuan.org/devuan/pool/main/a/apt-cacher-ng/ | 21:33 |
| gnarface | i figured it would just use the system sources.list. i didn't think they'd have hardwired in the debian mirror urls.... | 21:35 |
| golinux | rah: Use deb.devuan.org not packages,devuan.org/ and your problem should be solved. If you are still on jessie, make sure to update the key first | 21:40 |
| golinux | Sorry for the typos | 21:41 |
| rah | golinux: it looks like my problem is not the problem you think I have | 21:42 |
| rah | golinux: what problem do you think I have? | 21:42 |
| golinux | You can't find long descriptions for packages | 21:43 |
| rah | O_o | 21:43 |
| rah | eh? | 21:43 |
| rah | golinux: why do you think that's the problem? | 21:43 |
| golinux | Seems I misremembered something. | 21:44 |
| golinux | In any case packages.devuan.org is deprecated so please change it in you sources list. | 21:44 |
| rah | golinux: what makes you think I have packages.devuan.org in my sources list? | 21:45 |
| gnarface | rah: i think we both inferred it from the link you pasted. maybe we both also incorrectly inferred that you were asking because apt-cacher-ng isn't working for you. | 21:46 |
| golinux | <rah> the source here doesn't seem to add one: https://packages.devuan.org/devuan/pool/main/a/apt-cacher-ng/ | 21:46 |
| rah | I see | 21:46 |
| rah | I don't have Devuan installed | 21:46 |
| golinux | You are looking in the wrong place | 21:46 |
| rah | I'm about to install it | 21:46 |
| golinux | Try pkginfo.devuan.org | 21:47 |
| rah | I have a working, configured apt-cacher-ng installation on a server | 21:47 |
| golinux | to see if it's in there | 21:47 |
| rah | I want to configure that apt-cacher-ng installation so that it can be used as a cache for Devuan repositories | 21:47 |
| golinux | http://pkgmaster.devuan.org/devuan_mirror_walkthrough.txt | 21:48 |
| rah | golinux: pkginfo.devuan.org provides no links to source packages | 21:49 |
| rah | golinux: devuan_mirror_walkthrough.txt contains no information relevant to configuring apt-cacher-ng | 21:50 |
| gnarface | rah: i haven't actually tried apt-cacher-ng on devuan yet. but my understanding of how it works didn't include changing the source code to point to a different repository | 21:52 |
| golinux | I know that has been discussed here, on the forum or dng. Since our repos are built with amprolla, debian packages are pulled directly from the Debuian repos. | 21:53 |
| gnarface | i should really set up an instance here to make sure it's working but i've been lazy | 21:54 |
| golinux | So I don't know that apt-cacher-ng can do that. It requires amprolla3 to get all the redirects to the debian repos. | 21:55 |
| gnarface | yea i had a concern myself it might not work in devuan due to the repo changes, but it's a pretty simple creature. i wouldn't be surprised if it did work fine out of the box. | 21:56 |
| golinux | Anyway, I have never done this and never will so maybe I'm just adding noise. I'll bow out. | 21:56 |
| rah | does anyone know of an apt-cacher-ng mirrors file for Devuan mirrors? | 21:56 |
| gnarface | rah: do you actually have a mirrors file on hand for debian? | 21:57 |
| gnarface | rah: if you can actually pastebin one i can probably edit it to what it should be. again though, i really thought this worked by using the system's apt configuration | 21:58 |
| rah | gnarface: I'm quite capable of creating one myself | 21:58 |
| rah | gnarface: I'm not asking for help creating one, I'm asking whether one already exists | 21:59 |
| gnarface | rah: are you capable of showing me the debian equivalent? | 21:59 |
| rah | gnarface: you'll find a number of apt-cacher-ng mirror files here: https://github.com/Efreak/apt-cacher-ng/tree/master/conf | 22:00 |
| gnarface | ah oik | 22:01 |
| gnarface | rah: you should only need one entry for "deb.devuan.org" as that is the mirror fanout hostname | 22:01 |
| gnarface | rah: there are ALSO mirrors listed here, but i don't know if this list is exhaustive: https://devuan.org/get-devuan | 22:02 |
| gnarface | i can't tell you if anyone has checked a file for this in for apt-cacher-ng specifically. i have no idea. i'm not the one doing the work. | 22:02 |
| rah | 20:58 < rah> gnarface: I'm quite capable of creating one myself | 22:03 |
| rah | 20:59 < rah> gnarface: I'm not asking for help creating one, I'm asking whether one already exists | 22:03 |
| gnarface | yea, and i'm telling you i don't know if one exists already. i can guess by the very small amount of data it would include that it may not. | 22:03 |
| golinux | The mirrors nee the amprolla3 script to work properly | 22:03 |
| rah | gnarface: why are you telling me you can't help me? | 22:04 |
| gnarface | rah: because it seemed like a more polite way to admit that i didn't understand your initial problem than to just tell you to go fuck yourself | 22:04 |
| gnarface | i don't speak as an official maintainer of this project. i was just trying to help. you've been rude and evasive the whole time. | 22:05 |
| rah | gnarface: when I don't know how to help someone, rather than telling them to go fuck themselves, I just say nothing | 22:07 |
| golinux | https://lists.dyne.org/lurker/message/20170802.090410.d78d51fe.en.html | 22:08 |
| gnarface | rah: but here's the important key you seem to be glossing over; i thought i COULD at first, and it is largely your fault i was wrong about that. you bear some responsibility there. | 22:08 |
| gnarface | rah: part of getting help successfully is learning to accept it. | 22:09 |
| rah | dafuq? | 22:09 |
| rah | gnarface: nobody here owes you anything | 22:09 |
| gnarface | rah: wrong. YOU owe me an apology. | 22:10 |
| rah | gnarface: I disagree | 22:10 |
| gnarface | good luck with that | 22:10 |
| DonkeyHotei | rah: http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html | 22:10 |
| rah | DonkeyHotei: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karpman_drama_triangle | 22:11 |
| DonkeyHotei | rah: which one are you? | 22:14 |
| rah | DonkeyHotei: I avoid taking on roles in drama | 22:23 |
| rah | "the triangle maps a type of destructive interaction that can occur between people in conflict" | 22:23 |
| gnarface | that actually made me laugh | 22:23 |
| gnarface | you're fucking funny Bob Ham | 22:24 |
| gnarface | now stop wasting everyone's time | 22:24 |
| DonkeyHotei | rah: i see no conflict | 22:24 |
| rah | 21:10 < gnarface> rah: wrong. YOU owe me an apology. | 22:24 |
| rah | 21:10 < rah> gnarface: I disagree | 22:24 |
| rah | DonkeyHotei: ^ conflict | 22:24 |
| DonkeyHotei | [Wed 2018-09-05 01:04:01 PM PDT] <rah> gnarface: why are you telling me you can't help me? <----- the start of the drama, in victim mode | 22:25 |
| DonkeyHotei | per your own link | 22:25 |
| rah | DonkeyHotei: I would disagree; actually, that's more a tendency towards rescuing | 22:26 |
| rah | (on my part) | 22:27 |
| DonkeyHotei | you can disagree all you want, but that's what i took away from that article, hence my initial response to it | 22:32 |
| rah | DonkeyHotei: I see that my sentence could be misread; what I meant was: "why is the concept you are conveying to me the concept of not having the ability to help?" rather than "why are you harming me by denying me the help I need?" | 22:32 |
| DonkeyHotei | if you see that, then you must see the consequences of that | 22:33 |
| golinux | This board has a PM function. Maybe take it there . . . | 22:33 |
| rah | DonkeyHotei: sorry, too many "that"s in your sentence; I don't understand what you mean | 22:33 |
| golinux | Please . . . | 22:34 |
| rah | DonkeyHotei: the rescuing on my part was highlighting to golinux that part of his behaviour is to tell other people that he can't help them; he's not obligated to help anyone here so volunteering that admission highlights Rescuer behaviour on his part | 22:36 |
| fsmithred | yes | 22:37 |
| gnarface | woah | 22:37 |
| DonkeyHotei | i'm done | 22:37 |
| rah | err.. s/golinux/gnarface/ | 22:37 |
| gnarface | there you go | 22:37 |
| golinux | (rah is now 0 for 3) | 22:38 |
| fsmithred | my "yes" was in the wrong window | 22:38 |
| rah | golinux: oh noes! I lost! | 22:39 |
| rah | what will I do? | 22:39 |
| golinux | rah: You are irrelevant | 22:39 |
| rah | golinux: you wound me | 22:39 |
| golinux | No one cares about you widdle feewings | 22:39 |
| DonkeyHotei | i stand by everything i said | 22:40 |
| rah | DonkeyHotei: I didn't understand some of what you said | 22:40 |
| golinux | Please take this to #debianfork or a pm. (Not with me. I'm done) | 22:40 |
| DonkeyHotei | that's not my fault | 22:40 |
| rah | I tend to believe that the onus is on the writer to convey information clearly enough for the reader to understand | 22:41 |
| DonkeyHotei | and you failed to do that, causing conflict, which must now end | 22:41 |
| golinux | DocScrutinizer05: Some folks here need a time out. Can you please do the honors. | 22:42 |
| golinux | buZz: Maybe you can jump in with some quieting? | 22:42 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | behave, everybody! | 22:44 |
| rah | behave in what way? | 22:44 |
| golinux | Time to go stand in the corner rah | 22:44 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | you either know already or you'll learn it today | 22:45 |
| rah | that sounds like a threat | 22:45 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | golinux: please stop it | 22:45 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | it's over | 22:45 |
| rah | "The Persecutor: (a.k.a. Villain) The Persecutor insists, "It's all your fault." The Persecutor is controlling, blaming, critical, oppressive, angry, authoritative, rigid, and superior." | 22:45 |
| * rah runs | 22:45 | |
| * DonkeyHotei facepalms | 22:45 | |
| rah | I'm going :-) | 22:46 |
| rah | I | 22:46 |
| rah | I'll leave you in peace :-) | 22:46 |
| DonkeyHotei | apologies for feeding the troll. mea culpa. | 22:49 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | np. Thanks for stopping the feed | 23:05 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Mr Ham has a special skill in this regard, I fell for the same troll feeding several times - like 10 years ago already | 23:07 |
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