calamari | I'd like to try Devuan Beowulf, but I haven't been able to figure out how to download it. Is it available? Reason: I built a new system, figured it was my chance to break away from Ubuntu, and installed Devuan ASCII, but I hit a snag: Intel I219-V ethernet is not supported (Ubuntu 16.04 has the same problem). Tried out Ubuntu 18.04 and it worked there, so I'm hopeful that a new enough kernel is in Beowulf too. | 00:32 |
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furrywolf | you can install newer kernels on ascii, if all you need is a newer kernel. | 00:33 |
furrywolf | deb http://pkgmaster.devuan.org/merged ascii-backports main | 00:34 |
calamari | oops, I assumed it gave the latest by default. thanks! | 00:34 |
furrywolf | no, Devuan, like debian, ships well-tested versions by default. This means things are often a bit older, but known to work, and work with the included versions of other things. | 00:35 |
calamari | yeah you're right | 00:36 |
calamari | I need to put my Debian mindset back on | 00:36 |
furrywolf | looks like the ascii-backports one is 4.9... not bleeding edge, but newer than the default. | 00:37 |
furrywolf | bbl | 00:38 |
calamari | Is there is a recommended way to install the proprietary nVidia drivers on Devuan? (on Ubuntu it was recommended to use the graphics-drivers ppa) | 00:38 |
calamari | thanks again | 00:38 |
calamari | cya | 00:38 |
furrywolf | probably, but as I don't use them, I don't know. | 00:39 |
calamari | no problem, it's a question for anyone, thanks again :) | 00:39 |
gnarface | calamari: they're in the repo in non-free | 00:39 |
gnarface | calamari: check backports if you need a newer version | 00:39 |
gnarface | calamari: oh, you said it was beowulf... i don't think there is backports for beowulf, but i could be wrong | 00:40 |
DonkeyHotei | "..., and installed Devuan ASCII,..." | 00:40 |
calamari | no I have ASCII, I just made a bad assumption about it | 00:41 |
calamari | I'll stick with ASCII | 00:41 |
calamari | trying it! :D | 00:48 |
KatolaZ | furrywolf: ascii-backports has 4.17 | 01:00 |
KatolaZ | and will get newer kernels until beowulf will freeze, I guess | 01:01 |
KatolaZ | (well, buster, indeed) | 01:01 |
furrywolf | odd, I checked packages. and the metapackage pointed to 4.9 | 05:37 |
KatolaZ | furrywolf: https://pkginfo.devuan.org/cgi-bin/d1pkgweb-query?search=linux-image&release=ascii | 10:23 |
xrogaan | I need a software to monitor specific application network usage. | 10:26 |
xrogaan | I guess I need to use wireshark? But I'd love to see something less convoluted. | 10:26 |
gnarface | xrogaan: try jnettop or tcpdump maybe? | 10:50 |
xrogaan | how do you monitor an application with jnettop? | 10:53 |
gnarface | i'm not sure | 10:54 |
xrogaan | I want to know what a specific application does with the network. | 10:57 |
gnarface | netstat and fuser maybe? | 10:58 |
xrogaan | no, you can know that with lsof | 11:01 |
xrogaan | I want to know *what* it does, not if a socket is open. | 11:01 |
gnarface | i guess to actually read packet contents i only know of wireshark and tcpdump | 11:03 |
gnarface | and they're both pretty convoluted | 11:03 |
xrogaan | well I guess netstat + grep software name + tcpdump | 11:17 |
xrogaan | I was hoping a software could be used as a sniffing layer though. | 11:18 |
gnarface | hmmm | 11:56 |
gnarface | what about snort? | 11:56 |
gnarface | it's for monitoring, not really inspection, but maybe it can do inspection for logging purposes | 11:56 |
gnarface | just guessing | 11:56 |
gnarface | it might be more focused on ports and ip addresses than processes though | 11:57 |
Centurion_Dan | Upgrade to firefox-esr breaks audio... they dropped alsa support in firefox-esr in v62... | 11:59 |
Centurion_Dan | I'm rather pissed about that... | 11:59 |
telst4r | yeah | 12:02 |
gnarface | i think they dropped it in v60 actually | 12:03 |
telst4r | pulseaudio will become obsolete anyway as soon as systemd implements it :P | 12:03 |
Centurion_Dan | might be the last straw... I'm starting to get other browsers... | 12:04 |
Centurion_Dan | s/get/test/ | 12:04 |
telst4r | if only uzbl could run ff plugins.. :) | 12:05 |
furrymcgee | hell ya love uzbl | 12:06 |
xrogaan | gnarface: i'll check | 12:11 |
xrogaan | my concern is with this: http://dpaste.com/1J48R8T | 12:11 |
xrogaan | keepassxc-proxy connects to google and amazon | 12:12 |
xrogaan | that's ridiculous | 12:12 |
gnarface | what is that even? | 12:13 |
gnarface | oh, password management... | 12:14 |
gnarface | hmmm | 12:14 |
telst4r | That sounds suspicious. | 12:14 |
gnarface | well dpaste connected to amazon just now too | 12:14 |
gnarface | just fyi | 12:14 |
Hurgotron | xrogaan: probably related... https://github.com/keepassxreboot/keepassxc-browser/issues/100 | 12:23 |
Hurgotron | shit keeps getting too complicated. | 12:23 |
xrogaan | i'm using firefox though | 12:24 |
Hurgotron | The bug is about Firefox? | 12:25 |
Hurgotron | see the last four or so comments. | 12:26 |
xrogaan | oh, right. Thanks. Trying to figure out snort right now :p | 12:33 |
xrogaan | fixed in 61. Still running esr 60. :/ | 12:34 |
Beerbelott | Hello | 12:38 |
Beerbelott | I spot an inconsistency in Devuan packages repositories merged from Debian's | 12:38 |
Beerbelott | http://packages.devuan.org/merged/dists/ascii-security/main/binary-amd64/Packages shows firefox-esr-l10n-en-gb w/ version 52.9.0esr-1~deb9u1 | 12:39 |
Beerbelott | While http://pkgmaster.devuan.org/merged/dists/ascii-security/main/binary-amd64/Packages.xz shows proper 60.2.0esr-1~deb9u2 | 12:39 |
Beerbelott | https://packages.debian.org/stretch/firefox-esr-l10n-en-gb | 12:39 |
Beerbelott | Shall `pkgmaster` be preferred over `packages`? | 12:40 |
KatolaZ | Beerbelott: yes | 12:42 |
KatolaZ | since ascii | 12:42 |
KatolaZ | please read the release notes | 12:42 |
KatolaZ | you should use deb.devuan.org | 12:42 |
KatolaZ | which is in fact a bunch of mirrors | 12:42 |
Beerbelott | KatolaZ: Noted, thx! Why isn't `packages` one of the mirrors? Will that be decommissioned? | 13:16 |
KatolaZ | yes Beerbelott, it will be decommissioned | 13:27 |
xrogaan | snort is fascinating. | 13:32 |
xrogaan | huge pool of ridiculousness. The ruleset is deprecated by default, and you need to register to get a working software. | 13:33 |
Beerbelott | KatolaZ: K thx | 13:58 |
KatolaZ | np | 13:58 |
FlibberTGibbet | KatolaZ: is it still good to use (for example) gb.deb.devuan.org? | 14:14 |
FlibberTGibbet | Or should I omit the country prefix? | 14:14 |
KatolaZ | you can use the country prefix | 14:15 |
FlibberTGibbet | thanks KatolaZ | 14:15 |
KatolaZ | but you will still hit the same pool of mirrors | 14:15 |
KatolaZ | we are working on that actually | 14:15 |
KatolaZ | to have different pools for different continents at least | 14:15 |
FlibberTGibbet | that sounds good | 14:16 |
FlibberTGibbet | more resilient too, i guess | 14:16 |
KatolaZ | yep | 14:20 |
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