underd0g | hey guys | 00:05 |
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underd0g | anyone upgraded 1->2 ? | 00:05 |
fsmithred | lots of upgrades from jessie to ascii have been done | 00:07 |
underd0g | it's seamless ? | 00:09 |
underd0g | apt-get distupgrade , and off we go ? | 00:09 |
fsmithred | https://devuan.org/os/documentation/dev1fanboy/upgrade-to-ascii | 00:10 |
fsmithred | yeah, pretty much | 00:10 |
fsmithred | use deb.devuan.org not auto.mirror | 00:11 |
Psud0nym | Is Beowulf usable? | 00:15 |
Psud0nym | I've heard of the mixed installs pulling the desktop in from beowulf. | 00:16 |
fsmithred | desktop from beowulf is not ready | 00:16 |
fsmithred | plain window manager or just console should mostly work | 00:17 |
fsmithred | you might need to pin some packages if you're using a desktop, and maybe even if you're not | 00:19 |
Psud0nym | that's a shame. I was ready to drop it on a spare PC and see how well it shook down. | 00:19 |
fsmithred | I did upgrade a no-dbus install to beowulf, and it went pretty well | 00:19 |
fsmithred | openbox with lxpanel | 00:20 |
fsmithred | no display manager | 00:20 |
fsmithred | here's an account of an upgrade to beowulf: https://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?id=2301 | 00:21 |
underd0g | fsmithred: I have ascii/ceres installed in a vm from ur live install | 00:23 |
underd0g | is it egliable to be dd'ed to a hdd ? | 00:23 |
* man_in_shack stares at underd0g | 00:25 | |
man_in_shack | um | 00:25 |
man_in_shack | biggest issue there is what format is your vm image? | 00:25 |
underd0g | that's no issue | 00:26 |
underd0g | I can comfortly dd any image | 00:26 |
underd0g | I convert it into raw | 00:27 |
underd0g | that's how I usually do installs | 00:27 |
underd0g | so that I have the original state of the install safe on my main machine | 00:27 |
Psud0nym | underd0g: vm converted to raw then dd'ed to a bare metal drive? then add an entry to your bootloader? | 00:36 |
fsmithred | sounds like it would work. | 00:37 |
fsmithred | underd0g, I thought you just wanted to go from jessie to ascii - that's safer | 00:38 |
fsmithred | an old ascii/ceres mix could be messy | 00:38 |
Psud0nym | fsmithred: pretty much what the live installer does, right? | 00:38 |
fsmithred | live installer does rsync copy of the running live system | 00:38 |
fsmithred | with appropriate excludes | 00:39 |
Psud0nym | I hadn't considered that approach. | 00:39 |
underd0g | fsmithred: I just happen to have a spare drive | 00:39 |
Psud0nym | of course I've been doing debian netinstall since etch was current. | 00:39 |
underd0g | you know I do funny stuff to my disks | 00:39 |
fsmithred | ok, then go wild | 00:39 |
underd0g | Psud0nym: when dd'ed , no need to add anything to bootloader | 00:40 |
fsmithred | I have a love/hate relationship with d-i | 00:40 |
fsmithred | time to make dinner - afk | 00:41 |
Psud0nym | a little trial and error with partition manager on d-i, and that's pretty much the extent of the difficulty for me. set a partition from the drive as my home directory, and once all the software is installed it works as usuall. | 00:42 |
Psud0nym | saptech: everything working well, now? | 00:43 |
saptech | yes, it's up and running | 00:44 |
Psud0nym | are you on ascii now? | 00:44 |
saptech | I ran into one snag during boot up | 00:44 |
saptech | yes ascii | 00:44 |
saptech | which display manager is it using by default? | 00:44 |
saptech | running xfce3 | 00:45 |
Psud0nym | lightdm, I believe. | 00:45 |
saptech | well, after booting, I pressed F1 for session and it locked the system. only way out was to reboot | 00:46 |
Psud0nym | the release notes said that there are 2 display managers that work for xfce. | 00:46 |
saptech | if I don't press F1 and just type username/password it's okay | 00:46 |
saptech | right now everything is whatever is installed by default | 00:46 |
Psud0nym | are you looking to change to another display manager? | 00:47 |
saptech | yes, I prefer lxdm, is it available? | 00:47 |
Psud0nym | I will look. packages.devuan.org | 00:48 |
man_in_shack | wat | 00:48 |
man_in_shack | xfce3? | 00:48 |
saptech | heh, I meant xfce2 | 00:49 |
saptech | old eyes | 00:49 |
Psud0nym | man_in_shack: he means 4... | 00:50 |
man_in_shack | old xfce too (: | 00:50 |
saptech | well, yes 4 not 2 or 3...lol | 00:50 |
man_in_shack | or 5 | 00:50 |
saptech | xfce is old? | 00:50 |
man_in_shack | xfce3 is old | 00:50 |
Psud0nym | yes. xfce has had some staying power. | 00:51 |
Psud0nym | currently released as 4.12.x | 00:51 |
man_in_shack | yah | 00:51 |
saptech | it's okay. I haven't used it in a while | 00:51 |
NewGnuGuy | o/ | 00:51 |
man_in_shack | i switched to xfce ... would have been about 12 years ago i think :| | 00:51 |
man_in_shack | when did 4.0 come out? | 00:52 |
Psud0nym | I really liked kde3, but my first desktop what kde2 build by hand on redhat 3.2 | 00:52 |
man_in_shack | wow, 2003 | 00:52 |
saptech | I had to build kde1 or 2 around 2000 | 00:53 |
Psud0nym | back then I just couldn't figure out how to use the installer for debian, and knew nothing about testing. | 00:53 |
saptech | I was running Caldera linux | 00:53 |
Psud0nym | same here. after giving up on rpm dependency hell. | 00:54 |
man_in_shack | so yeah, i officially switched to xfce probably 12-13 years ago | 00:54 |
underd0g | I was on gnome for years | 00:54 |
man_in_shack | i know i trialed v3.8, and switched completely when v4.2 was current | 00:54 |
man_in_shack | before that, i'd been using gnome | 00:55 |
man_in_shack | when gnome2 hit, i was pissed :P | 00:55 |
underd0g | but gnome became such a hell | 00:55 |
underd0g | I could never go back to it | 00:55 |
Psud0nym | I remember gnome before they lost their minds. and Caldera lost theirs before that. | 00:56 |
man_in_shack | oh wait | 00:56 |
Psud0nym | Mandrake/pclinux os was were I went to from there. | 00:57 |
man_in_shack | would have been gnome2.10 or 2.12 i got pissed with | 00:57 |
man_in_shack | but i do know i was a late adopter to gnome2. gnome1 did the job | 00:57 |
man_in_shack | then gnome2 started getting clunky and slow | 00:57 |
man_in_shack | which was why i never liked kde | 00:58 |
man_in_shack | also fuck arts sound server | 00:58 |
Psud0nym | well, I didn't really know what I was doing when I used KDE. I looked pretty and I used to spend hours tweaking how it looked. | 00:59 |
Psud0nym | it looked pretty* | 01:00 |
Psud0nym | lately I've been pretty impressed with the minimalist approach (like Suckless.org) | 01:02 |
saptech | I ended up going with Slackware & Debian and using Gnome 2 | 01:02 |
saptech | I have a hard time finding my way around kde/plasma | 01:03 |
saptech | plus it installs too much stuff I don't want/need | 01:03 |
Psud0nym | I started using ubuntu around 2005, and switched to Etch about 2007. | 01:03 |
Psud0nym | yeah. the basics for the later releases and then cherry pick my tools from there. Mostly I will use cinnamon or lxqt these days. | 01:04 |
saptech | somewhere along the timeline, I wanted to try Mandrake and dual boot it with Win98. Well not knowing what I was doing, mandrake wiped the hdd and it was the only OS left standing. that is when I went with Linux only | 01:04 |
saptech | and back to kde, which wasn't bad with mandrake | 01:05 |
holla | saptech: lucky you - usally it's the other way round ;) | 01:05 |
Psud0nym | agreed. pclinuxos used that too. Texstar was a Mandrake developer. | 01:05 |
saptech | lol | 01:06 |
man_in_shack | mandrake was the first distro i tried back in 2002 | 01:06 |
man_in_shack | then debian in 2003 | 01:06 |
saptech | I decided to stick with mandrake, mandriva and now run mageia as my main distro | 01:07 |
man_in_shack | debian was so much easier to configure, and to install lib-dev packages for compiling stuff | 01:07 |
saptech | yes, debian actually was easy to use then some of the so called easy distros | 01:07 |
man_in_shack | and there was no dependency calculation in rpm at the time | 01:07 |
Psud0nym | mandrake arose as a redhat spin with KDE. there was some license issue ( | 01:07 |
man_in_shack | debian's sysvinit made so much more sense than rh/mandrake sysvinit | 01:08 |
* gnarface ponders what to do when this ancient e17 build stops working | 01:08 | |
man_in_shack | gnarface: build a new one that starts working again? | 01:08 |
gnarface | sure, in theory... | 01:09 |
gnarface | in practice that's not always so easy | 01:09 |
Psud0nym | gnarface: ...could package a new build | 01:09 |
gnarface | i should try it but i suspect there's a reason why nobody else has already, and that if it's beyond their reach then it definitely is beyond mine too | 01:10 |
man_in_shack | yah, enlightenment is a nice wm but the code is a massive clusterfuck | 01:10 |
Psud0nym | I can take acrack at i. what sources are you using? | 01:10 |
gnarface | Psud0nym: i was using the source package from ceres, but i think it's recently been redirected to an empty e22 directory | 01:12 |
gnarface | so you might have to dig it up from debian snapshots or something | 01:12 |
gnarface | you should probably grab all the efl libs from the same snapshot, too | 01:13 |
Psud0nym | on debian? | 01:13 |
gnarface | yea | 01:13 |
gnarface | yea from debian sid i guess | 01:14 |
Psud0nym | I'll see what I can do. | 01:14 |
gnarface | don't lose sleep over it | 01:14 |
Psud0nym | yeah. that's not happening. | 01:15 |
* man_in_shack sleeps on openrc | 01:15 | |
Psud0nym | any particular year for the snapshot you prefer? | 01:15 |
Psud0nym | I'm looknig at snapshot.debian.org | 01:16 |
Psud0nym | it goes back to 2005. | 01:16 |
gnarface | nah no particular year. just try to find the most recent version of the code that was pushed into sid | 01:16 |
gnarface | hmm | 01:16 |
gnarface | or rather, the most recent version that was successfully built into binaries that were pushed into sid, i should say | 01:17 |
gnarface | i'm showing 0.17.6-1.1+b1 here | 01:17 |
gnarface | something in the 0.17.6 should be fine | 01:17 |
saptech | Psud0nym, slim is the default with xfce. Is it okay to switch to lxdm? I can't find anything | 01:18 |
Psud0nym | ok... I'm going to try building them without changes on ceres, but I could try updating from a git repo or the like | 01:18 |
Psud0nym | saptech: sorry, I got sidetracked. | 01:18 |
man_in_shack | i use lightdm with xfce | 01:19 |
man_in_shack | basically, the login/desktop manager shouldn't affect your window manager/desktop environment | 01:19 |
Psud0nym | saptech: any of them is supposed to be agnostic and just call your .xinitrc | 01:19 |
man_in_shack | this ain't gnome :D | 01:19 |
man_in_shack | lightdm's power menu (shutdown/reboot/hibernate) doesn't work with elogind. seems to require consolekit instead | 01:20 |
man_in_shack | apart from that, components should all be interchangeable | 01:20 |
* man_in_shack has never used lxdm, and didn't like slim | 01:20 | |
Psud0nym | that's it. console kit isn't playing nice, I think. | 01:20 |
Psud0nym | I think that's what the release notes said. | 01:21 |
man_in_shack | yah | 01:21 |
saptech | I don't think slim have a switch user feature. that is why I like lxdm | 01:21 |
Psud0nym | man_in_shack: thx for the backup. I'm kind of recalling from when I was half awake reading the notes. | 01:22 |
man_in_shack | slim doesn't have autologin either | 01:23 |
golinux | <Psud0nym> saptech: any of them is supposed to be agnostic and just call your .xinitrc | 01:23 |
golinux | Remember that in ascii , different dm's require differen't backends. Some conflict | 01:24 |
saptech | ok | 01:24 |
golinux | Read the release notes | 01:24 |
Psud0nym | golinux: I read the notes, but didn't recall the exact details. It's not even all that long a read. | 01:25 |
Psud0nym | curse my brain! | 01:25 |
man_in_shack | release notes suggest elogind for lightdm though | 01:26 |
man_in_shack | sooooo ... | 01:26 |
man_in_shack | i'm gonna write my own /sbin/init, with blackjack, and hookers | 01:27 |
Psud0nym | man_in_shack: maybe a 12 step theme? | 01:28 |
man_in_shack | is that an alcoholics anonymous reference? | 01:30 |
Psud0nym | gnarface: take a look at the versions listed at snapshot. http://snapshot.debian.org/package/e17/ | 01:32 |
gnarface | Psud0nym: looks like it's this one for sure: http://snapshot.debian.org/package/e17/0.17.6-1.1/ | 01:33 |
gnarface | 2 years old sounds about right | 01:34 |
gnarface | yea and then it has become populated with e21-22 after that... sneaky | 01:35 |
gnarface | but it doesn't even work so | 01:35 |
gnarface | or anyway the package doesn't work | 01:35 |
Psud0nym | ok. I'll pull sources and relevent stuff for this and see what we can do | 01:37 |
gnarface | cool, thanks! | 01:37 |
gnarface | uh... i just had deja-vu. we may have been through this before once already | 01:38 |
fsmithred | Psud0nym do you have both consolekit and elogind installed? | 01:40 |
Psud0nym | It's saptech with the issue, unless your asking for another reason | 01:42 |
fsmithred | no, I just got back from the kitchen | 01:43 |
fsmithred | so I might not know what's going on | 01:43 |
fsmithred | oh, I just read the important part | 01:43 |
Psud0nym | gnarface: looks good so far. installing build-dep from ascii seems to be going well. | 01:43 |
fsmithred | and he's gone | 01:44 |
Psud0nym | fsmithred: maybe he's trying to switch display manager | 01:44 |
fsmithred | FTR, lxdm works with xfce with elogind and libpam-elogind | 01:45 |
Psud0nym | fsmithred: good to know. | 01:45 |
fsmithred | latest Refracta isos use that. I chose it because the language switcher works | 01:46 |
Psud0nym | gnarface: ok have the package building. | 01:47 |
Psud0nym | man_in_shack: yeah, it was. but still a joke. | 01:50 |
man_in_shack | yah well, alcoholics anonymous is all about giving yourself up to a higher power | 01:51 |
man_in_shack | so it's basically the systemd of rehab | 01:51 |
djph | like systemd | 01:51 |
djph | bahahhaaha | 01:51 |
Psud0nym | lol | 01:51 |
man_in_shack | (: | 01:51 |
Psud0nym | gnarface: are you wanting a later build that what's already in ascii? | 01:53 |
Psud0nym | cause the one in the repo just built like a champ. | 01:54 |
gnarface | Psud0nym: is it the same version as in sid? | 01:55 |
Psud0nym | e17_0.17.6-1.1.dsc | 01:56 |
gnarface | hmm, maybe they fixed it, i can try it again... | 01:56 |
gnarface | thanks for checking that for me | 01:56 |
fsmithred | 0.22.4-1 in sid | 01:56 |
Psud0nym | I can try that one too. | 01:56 |
Psud0nym | http://snapshot.debian.org/package/e17/0.22.4-1/ lookcorrect? | 01:57 |
Psud0nym | that's a yes | 01:57 |
fsmithred | yeah, looks right | 01:59 |
gnarface | hmmm | 01:59 |
fsmithred | that version is in beowulf, too | 01:59 |
gnarface | but that's e22 | 01:59 |
gnarface | it shouldn't even be in the e17 package | 01:59 |
fsmithred | well, it comes up with 'apt-cache policy e17' | 02:00 |
gnarface | package maintainers trying to scuttle e17 | 02:00 |
gnarface | didn't even install when i tried it | 02:00 |
gnarface | error about referring to nonexistent packages | 02:00 |
fsmithred | you tried to install e22 or e17? | 02:01 |
gnarface | e17 | 02:01 |
fsmithred | looks like that would work in beowulf | 02:03 |
fsmithred | meaning... it would install here except I'm not allowing dbus | 02:03 |
fsmithred | oh... beowulf that still has ascii repos enabled. gnarface you're on ceres? | 02:04 |
gnarface | yea, i'm on ceres. so mabye it failed because of the ceres efl versions... | 02:05 |
Psud0nym | oh. there's a build-dep for systemd | 02:05 |
Psud0nym | I'll see if uscan can apply the patches and update the code for you. | 02:05 |
fsmithred | you might find the missing packages in ascii | 02:05 |
benharri | o/ #devuan | 02:18 |
* man_in_shack glares at benharri | 02:29 | |
* benharri wonders whether man_in_shack is actually in a shack | 02:30 | |
* man_in_shack wonders if benharri is actually ben or harry | 02:34 | |
benharri | that's fair | 02:35 |
benharri | benharri{s,} | 02:35 |
man_in_shack | benharries? | 02:35 |
man_in_shack | more than one harry? | 02:35 |
benharri | it was my university-assigned username and it stuck i guess | 02:35 |
benharri | it's never taken cause no one wants a shitty name like that | 02:36 |
man_in_shack | well now i'm going to have to register it on every other irc network just to spite you (: | 02:36 |
benharri | lol ok | 02:37 |
Psud0nym | gnarface: still around? | 02:54 |
golinux | (gnarface is always around) | 02:56 |
Psud0nym | gnafface: looks like there is now a new library that needs to built prior to building the enlightenment. take a look at https://www.enlightenment.org/docs/distros/start for current build instructions. | 02:56 |
Psud0nym | golinux: thx | 02:56 |
golinux | gnafface won't call him though. ;) | 02:57 |
Psud0nym | ah. thx again | 02:58 |
Psud0nym | gnarface: looks like there is now a new library that needs to built prior to building the enlightenment. take a look at https://www.enlightenment.org/docs/distros/start for current build instructions. | 02:58 |
Psud0nym | I've been trying to help him build the latest packages for e17 (e22 or whatever) | 02:59 |
golinux | Yes, I read that. | 02:59 |
Psud0nym | golinux: looking at creating a new package for the efl library to be built from git. | 03:05 |
Psud0nym | don't recall the one-liner to debianize it. | 03:06 |
golinux | https://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?id=549 | 03:07 |
* man_in_shack $ debianize /path/to/efl/library | 03:10 | |
man_in_shack | (: | 03:10 |
golinux | Psud0nym: I posted the link for building devuan packages | 03:12 |
Psud0nym | golinux: thx I looked at that earlier today. | 03:12 |
Psud0nym | brain seize or something. | 03:12 |
* man_in_shack seizes Psud0nym's brain | 03:14 | |
golinux | Psud0nym: Yeah, I'm never going to be packaging for devuan | 03:17 |
gnarface | Psud0nym: thanks for the heads-up | 05:21 |
conjunctivitis | fsmithred: are you around? | 11:53 |
fsmithred | conjunctivitis, yes | 11:57 |
fsmithred | hi | 11:57 |
fsmithred | what's up? | 11:58 |
conjunctivitis | fsmithred: hi i was talking to n4dir in #debian and he suggested i ask for your advice | 11:58 |
fsmithred | ok | 11:58 |
conjunctivitis | i am trying to install an audio-focussed distro on a computer i have had and used for a long time | 11:59 |
conjunctivitis | the distro uses systemback for installation | 11:59 |
conjunctivitis | from a live usb key | 11:59 |
conjunctivitis | i can boot and run the usb key fine, but after installation i don't even get a grub menu | 11:59 |
conjunctivitis | after post it just gives me a blank screen | 11:59 |
fsmithred | I'm not familiar with systemback | 11:59 |
conjunctivitis | i have been successfully using older versions of this distro (always with systemback installation) for years | 12:00 |
fsmithred | sounds like it failed to install a bootloader | 12:00 |
conjunctivitis | fsmithred: i have attempted to manually reinstall grub from the live distro several times using ubuntu tutorials | 12:00 |
conjunctivitis | although the distro is debian based i presume grub installation should be largely identical | 12:00 |
fsmithred | did you chroot into the installed system? | 12:00 |
conjunctivitis | yes | 12:00 |
fsmithred | did you run grub-install and get any errors? | 12:01 |
conjunctivitis | fsmithred: no errors | 12:04 |
fsmithred | you put grub in the mbr? (e.g. /dev/sda not /dev/sda1) | 12:05 |
conjunctivitis | yes | 12:07 |
conjunctivitis | whoah weird | 12:07 |
fsmithred | ? | 12:07 |
conjunctivitis | i just tried using f12 to get to the boot options menu | 12:07 |
conjunctivitis | upon manually selecting the internal hdd it seems to be working | 12:07 |
conjunctivitis | so i presume this could be a bios issue? | 12:07 |
fsmithred | yeah, maybe just need to change the boot order | 12:08 |
conjunctivitis | fsmithred: weird, ok i'll give that a try. thanks | 12:08 |
fsmithred | yw. I don't think I did anything. | 12:09 |
conjunctivitis | haha | 12:10 |
conjunctivitis | fsmithred: so the internall hdd is still listed as 1st in the boot order | 12:11 |
conjunctivitis | but the only way i can get it to boot is by pressing f12 and manually selecting it | 12:11 |
conjunctivitis | this system is a laptop with two hdds | 12:12 |
conjunctivitis | (technically an ssd and an hdd now) | 12:12 |
conjunctivitis | could it be picking the wrong hdd to boot from? | 12:12 |
Vajb | hey. I was here the other day asking about powermanager. Installing xfce4-powermanager fixed my problem. There is just one minor flaw in it. If I have laptop lid closed while it is plugged in and if I remove the plug the laptop wont recognize this. Why this matters is, I set it to suspend when not plugged in and lock the screen when plugged in. Is this something that could be fixed? | 12:17 |
fsmithred | yeah, which one did you install to? You could probably install grub to both | 12:17 |
conjunctivitis | fsmithred: i installed to the drive that contains my os | 12:17 |
fsmithred | which one is that? | 12:17 |
conjunctivitis | fsmithred: can i install grub to the other drive as well and point it to the os? i believe there's only one. | 12:18 |
conjunctivitis | os is on /dev/sda1 | 12:18 |
conjunctivitis | swap is /dev/sda3 | 12:18 |
conjunctivitis | home is /dev/sdb1 | 12:18 |
conjunctivitis | grub should be on /dev/sda | 12:18 |
fsmithred | chroot into the installed system and install grub to sda and sdb | 12:18 |
fsmithred | they'll both point to the right system | 12:19 |
conjunctivitis | can i do that from the running system? it is currently running, can i just install grub to /dev/sdb now? | 12:19 |
fsmithred | yeah | 12:19 |
conjunctivitis | fsmithred: what about update-grub do i need to run that as well? and if so, how do i tell it i want to update-grub on /dev/sdb? | 12:21 |
fsmithred | update-grub re-writes grub.cfg, which is on /dev/sda1 | 12:22 |
fsmithred | you can run it again, but probably don't need to | 12:22 |
conjunctivitis | ok cool let's see if this worked. | 12:22 |
fsmithred | when you install the grub package and it asks you where to put the bootloader, it suggests putting it in more than one drive, just in case... | 12:23 |
conjunctivitis | ok i reset bios to defaults and between that and installing grub to both hdds it seems to be working fine now | 12:28 |
conjunctivitis | thanks again | 12:29 |
fsmithred | so you don't know which fixed it? | 12:29 |
conjunctivitis | resetting the bios fixed it | 12:30 |
conjunctivitis | but i first installed grub to sdb | 12:30 |
conjunctivitis | so i don't know if that step was necessary or not | 12:30 |
fsmithred | did you try booting after installing grub to sdb but before changing the bios? | 12:31 |
conjunctivitis | yes, but it didn't work | 12:33 |
conjunctivitis | hung up with no grub just like before | 12:33 |
fsmithred | ok, I guess something was set wrong in the bios | 12:35 |
ebrasca | Hi | 14:01 |
ebrasca | Is it easy to port devuan to Talos II? | 14:01 |
fsmithred | Centurion_Dan might be working on that | 14:02 |
ebrasca | Centurion_Dan: Hi , are you working on porting devuan to Talos II? | 14:04 |
fsmithred | he might be asleep now | 14:04 |
ebrasca | It is 14:05 | 14:05 |
fsmithred | not in NZ | 14:05 |
KatolaZ | ebrasca: in your TZ... | 14:05 |
KatolaZ | this is the Internet | 14:05 |
KatolaZ | :) | 14:05 |
fsmithred | Eastern Standard Tribe here | 14:06 |
* ebrasca continue porting parabola to Talos II | 14:11 | |
furrymcgee | any clue where to look for svn://svn.debian.org/svn/pkg-mixmaster | 14:17 |
Psud0nym | Good morning | 14:18 |
djph | furrymcgee: svn.debian.org perhaps? | 14:27 |
James1138 | I think I accidentally turned off error reporting to Devuan. How do I turn it back on? | 16:14 |
fsmithred | James1138, what error reporting are you talking about? | 16:19 |
fsmithred | reportbug? | 16:20 |
James1138 | Sorry. When I used Ubuntu, to help developers of future versions - apport would send data about errors and stuff. I realized apport did not install in Devuan or I accidently removed apport. | 16:25 |
fsmithred | no package by that name in devuan | 16:26 |
fsmithred | (or debian, for that matter) | 16:26 |
James1138 | Ok. I guess I was paranoid I messed something up. | 16:27 |
James1138 | General question about Devuan. I saw that it came with WICD instead of Network Manager - but I was under the impression that WICD is difficult to work with VPN. Is that true?? | 17:51 |
fsmithred | James1138, wicd does not support vpn, but you can install network-manager or connman instead | 17:59 |
James1138 | I did install Network-manager. I thought about staying with WICD since it has fewer dependancies. | 18:02 |
skyroveRR | Heya guys, it seems there isn't /proc/mdstat file in the /proc directory, where does it come from? I'm using devuan 1.0. | 19:56 |
nemo | skyroveRR: raid? | 19:59 |
skyroveRR | Yeah. | 19:59 |
nemo | skyroveRR: do you have the md module loaded? | 19:59 |
nemo | sudo modprobe md ? | 19:59 |
skyroveRR | Ahh. | 20:00 |
skyroveRR | No, didn't have that. Loaded it now and it appeared :) | 20:00 |
skyroveRR | I'm actually using the devuan kernel for my custom distro, so should I be worried about the kernel being unable to load certain modules? | 20:00 |
nemo | uh | 20:01 |
nemo | what do you mean the kernel is unable to load certain modules? | 20:01 |
nemo | you just loaded it? | 20:01 |
skyroveRR | yeah. | 20:01 |
nemo | ok. so what's the problem ☺ | 20:02 |
skyroveRR | I had to load md manually, does devuan 1.0 make you do this for RAID or does it load the said module automatically? | 20:02 |
nemo | skyroveRR: uh. did you add it to /etc/modules ? | 20:03 |
nemo | most of us don't need raid ☺ | 20:03 |
skyroveRR | I will, but this kinda seems strange to be loading certain modules manually. | 20:04 |
nemo | how is /etc/modules manual | 20:04 |
nemo | it's a config file | 20:04 |
skyroveRR | Uh, I don't have that file, I didn't bother stealing it from the distro ;) | 20:04 |
nemo | well there you go then 😝 | 20:04 |
nemo | *my* devuan has it 😝 | 20:05 |
skyroveRR | I'll steal it then ;) | 20:05 |
James1138 | Question. I installed FSLint Janitor on Devuan 2.0 but cannot run it in administrative/super-user without going to terminal window. I tried changing the menu item to "gksudo fslint-gui" but that does nothing. Does anyone have any suggestions? If I run it from menu - I cannot delete anything such as temp files. | 21:41 |
gnarface | James1138: did you make sure gksudo is installed? | 21:42 |
James1138 | yes | 21:43 |
gnarface | hmm, interesting, since it doesn't appear to be in the devuan 2.0 repo.... | 21:43 |
gnarface | maybe check again on that | 21:43 |
gnarface | you might be able to use gksu instead though | 21:44 |
James1138 | gksu... okay | 21:46 |
fsmithred | gksudo comes with the gksu package | 21:47 |
gnarface | oh, i guess i don't have either here anyway | 21:48 |
gnarface | James1138: run `gksudo fslint-gui` from a terminal and see what errors it prints | 21:49 |
gnarface | hmm, it seems to have been removed from ceres... is that going to go away? | 21:50 |
golinux | Yes. It's being deprecated. Will will probably fork it iirc | 21:50 |
fsmithred | yes, no more gksu | 21:50 |
James1138 | MAJOR thnaks!!! The gksu did the trick | 21:50 |
fsmithred | it's been replaced with pkexec, which is buggy | 21:51 |
saptech | hello all | 21:58 |
jaromil | ahoy. I think we fixed the mailinglist archives. old mails reappeared too, but with different urls. non-deleted mails are still there. | 21:59 |
* golinux goes to check the archives | 21:59 | |
saptech | fsmithred, I finally got devuan installed with the desktop iso | 21:59 |
fsmithred | cool | 21:59 |
golinux | Congrats! | 21:59 |
saptech | One issue I noticed after booting, at the DM login screen, pressing F1 for sessions, it froze the system | 22:01 |
saptech | this is xfce4 with slim DM | 22:01 |
golinux | jaromil: Yes! November 2014 has reappeared!!!! | 22:02 |
golinux | Most excellent news!! | 22:02 |
P-G | Hey, has anyone here tried hpn-ssh? | 22:03 |
jaromil | golinux: happy to have good news for the meeting :^) did it with parazyd today | 22:04 |
fsmithred | saptech, that's not a known problem | 22:06 |
saptech | If I boot to the login screen and just sign in it wasn't an issue, only if I would press F1 first it would lock | 22:08 |
saptech | anyway, I didn't want Slim so I switched to LXDM | 22:08 |
fsmithred | how's lxdm working for you? | 22:12 |
fsmithred | I'm using lxdm in Refracta now | 22:13 |
saptech | so far so good :) | 22:15 |
saptech | I like to switch user with the family and once before I had problems with some other DMs, but lxdm worked fine | 22:15 |
fsmithred | saptech, are you using consolekit or elogind with it? | 22:20 |
saptech | elogind | 22:21 |
James1138 | If I may make a suggest for future versions of Devuan... I am finding "File-Roller" handles a wider variety of compressed files than Xarchiver. | 22:30 |
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