| gnarface | i've got a curiosity... why is pkginfo.devuan.org no longer showing "steam" as present? it's still showing in jessie through sid on packages.debian.org | 00:24 |
|---|---|---|
| gnarface | the "steam-devices" package is present but there should also be "steam" and "steamcmd" packages | 00:25 |
| gnarface | "apt-cache search" is still showing steam in the repos so this may be a recent issue | 00:26 |
| fsmithred | gnarface, pkginfo show me steam in ascii, beowulf and ceres, but not in jessie | 00:35 |
| gnarface | that's curious. not for me. | 00:36 |
| fsmithred | apt-cache policy says it's in jessie, too | 00:36 |
| gnarface | https://pkginfo.devuan.org/cgi-bin/d1pkgweb-query?search=steam&release=ascii | 00:36 |
| gnarface | this page doesn't show it in anything | 00:36 |
| gnarface | but does show steam-devices | 00:37 |
| fsmithred | I selected 'any' for suite | 00:37 |
| gnarface | no change for me | 00:37 |
| gnarface | it's showing steam-devices in ascii, beowulf, and ceres, but not showing steam or steamcmd anywhere | 00:38 |
| fsmithred | if I search for steam in ascii, I get same result as the link you posted | 00:38 |
| fsmithred | just steam-devices | 00:38 |
| xrogaan | so I might have crashed my gpu with glmarks2, forcing the system to reboot. But I can't find anything in the logs. | 00:38 |
| fsmithred | oh | 00:38 |
| fsmithred | I only found steam-devices on my first search | 00:39 |
| fsmithred | but in the suites I mentioned | 00:39 |
| gnarface | yea. that's the behavior i'm seeing. it's showing steam-devices but not the other two packages | 00:39 |
| xrogaan | isn't steam a virtual package? | 00:40 |
| fsmithred | tell you in a couple seconds | 00:40 |
| xrogaan | you want steam-launcher. | 00:40 |
| fsmithred | xrogaan, does glmarks2 create heat? Check temps/dust. | 00:41 |
| fsmithred | yes, steam is a virtual package | 00:42 |
| xrogaan | yeah, glmarks is a benchmark tool. But heat was ok. | 00:42 |
| Acacia | try stress-ng | 00:42 |
| fsmithred | I get unexpected temperature reboots every once in awhile | 00:43 |
| xrogaan | steam launcher is supposed to install the bootstrap and the extra apt list | 00:43 |
| xrogaan | fsmithred: I mean, it's alright if it reboots. But there should be a message somewhere. | 00:43 |
| xrogaan | probably that my gpu couldn't handle some stuff though | 00:44 |
| xrogaan | where are the sources for pkgingo? | 00:46 |
| gnarface | maybe on git.devuan.org somewhere | 00:48 |
| Jjp137 | it looks like the main part of it is here: https://git.devuan.org/KatolaZ/d1pkgweb | 00:48 |
| Jjp137 | and the search page(?) is here: https://git.devuan.org/KatolaZ/d1pkgweb-query | 00:48 |
| Jjp137 | it's in Go | 00:48 |
| Jjp137 | and the config.yml in the first one might actually hint at the cause, which may be that the config.yml that pkginfo is using might not be including i386 packages | 00:49 |
| Jjp137 | and steam and steamcmd is i386 only, right? | 00:49 |
| gnarface | oh, maybe, lemme check | 00:50 |
| gnarface | yea, confirmed. those two packages only ever existed in :i386 | 00:51 |
| gnarface | steam-devices in stretch through sid, and steam in jessie through sid | 00:51 |
| Jjp137 | okay so perhaps pkginfo's config should be amended then | 00:51 |
| KatolaZ | Jjp137: pkginfo only reports stuff for amd64 atm | 00:51 |
| gnarface | i'm surprised this is just being noticed now. i wonder if it's a regression | 00:51 |
| KatolaZ | sorry | 00:51 |
| KatolaZ | it has always been like that | 00:51 |
| Jjp137 | ah okay | 00:51 |
| gnarface | ok snafu then | 00:52 |
| KatolaZ | ;) | 00:52 |
| gnarface | i was just trying to help filipdevuan sort out self-inflicted problems from inherited ones and suddenly couldn't tell the difference | 00:53 |
| filipdevuan_ | dont worry :P | 01:19 |
| filipdevuan_ | and thanks! :) | 01:19 |
| drwhite | anyone know how to get things to start on the start of X? | 01:19 |
| drwhite | On boot, I get "wlan0: failed to remove key (0, {mac here}) from hardware (-5) | 01:22 |
| drwhite | followed by "wlan0: failed to remove key (2, ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff) from hardware (-5)" | 01:22 |
| drwhite | anyideas? | 01:23 |
| gnarface | drwhite: most window managers have a feature for it, but you can also use ~/.xinitrc | 01:24 |
| gnarface | well, you might be able to use ~/.xinitrc, some login managers may preempt it | 01:25 |
| drwhite | I want it to be global, notjust one user. | 01:29 |
| fsmithred | somewhere in /etc/X11 | 01:30 |
| fsmithred | maybe Xsession.d | 01:30 |
| gnarface | yea there's a global one in there somewhere | 01:31 |
| drwhite | I have put the command into many different files, even created a new one, even put it into the file it says it always executed for every X session. | 01:31 |
| drwhite | Still ti doesn't run on start ox F | 01:31 |
| drwhite | of X | 01:31 |
| gnarface | well keep in mind that you have to use a different one based on whether you're using a graphical login manager or not | 01:31 |
| fsmithred | how are you running X? | 01:31 |
| fsmithred | what wm/de? | 01:32 |
| gnarface | drwhite: ^ this question is to you | 01:36 |
| drwhite | I'm running it by starting it. | 01:37 |
| drwhite | XFCE4 | 01:38 |
| fsmithred | apps menu -> Settings -> Session and startup -> Autostart applications | 01:38 |
| fsmithred | + | 01:38 |
| drwhite | "[10:29] <drwhite> I want it to be global, notjust one user." | 01:40 |
| fsmithred | not sure where it goes. Set it for one user and see where it is in ~/.config/xfce4 | 01:40 |
| fsmithred | then make that same change in /etc/xdg/xfce4/somewhere | 01:41 |
| drwhite | Thanks, will try it from this xdg location. | 01:42 |
| fsmithred | put the appropriate .desktop file in /etc/xdg/autostart/ | 01:43 |
| drwhite | so create a .desktop file? | 01:52 |
| fsmithred | yeah, if the program doesn't already have one | 01:52 |
| drwhite | Why is a user not allowed tomount a damn drive? | 01:53 |
| fsmithred | check in /usr/share/applications | 01:53 |
| drwhite | it doesn't have one. | 01:53 |
| fsmithred | removable drive? | 01:53 |
| gnarface | drwhite: users aren't allowed to mount drives because that's a security hole large enough to drive a battleship through | 01:55 |
| gnarface | you can configure it to allow any user to mount drives though, in a number of different ways | 01:55 |
| gnarface | if udisks2 is running it should already be working from the GUI though... | 01:56 |
| gnarface | other options are to add yourself to the "disk" group or put the drive in /etc/fstab with a "noauto" or "nofail" option | 01:57 |
| drwhite | yeah, damages all virtualisation though. | 01:59 |
| gnarface | if udisks2 is running and not working to allow drive mounts from the gui maybe Xorg still needs to be started as suid root ("legacy mode?") | 01:59 |
| drwhite | not legacy mode, just normal. | 02:00 |
| fsmithred | drwhite did you install xfce from the installer, or did you start with a minimal install and add the destkop later? | 02:00 |
| gnarface | well, if this is about virtualizatoin, root should be starting virtualized guests, or a specific non-console user who has been set up with just the permissions necessary to start guests but not to log in | 02:00 |
| drwhite | So the security put into Devuan is designed to hinder virtualisation? | 02:00 |
| drwhite | fsmithred: from installer. | 02:01 |
| drwhite | users start the guests, not root. | 02:01 |
| gnarface | hinder virtualization? please. | 02:01 |
| fsmithred | ok, so you probably got all the right polkit backends | 02:01 |
| drwhite | root starting them would just be stupid. | 02:01 |
| gnarface | how would that be stupider than granting blanket root permissions to all the users? | 02:02 |
| fsmithred | what are you trying to do? | 02:03 |
| drwhite | blanketing root is silly. | 02:04 |
| drwhite | I want security, not an open system | 02:04 |
| drwhite | Deny all and only allow what is NEEDED | 02:04 |
| drwhite | that maintains as much a security as one can. | 02:05 |
| drwhite | Devuan doesn't have SELinux does it? | 02:05 |
| fsmithred | pretty sure it does | 02:05 |
| gnarface | it has it it's just not installed by default | 02:05 |
| fsmithred | yeah, that | 02:05 |
| gnarface | i think that's different from redhat/fedora which installs it disabled by default | 02:06 |
| fsmithred | I just did a centos install today, and it's in the installer setup - I turned it off. | 02:06 |
| gnarface | drwhite: have you heard of sudo? it's kinda for stuff like this | 02:07 |
| gnarface | drwhite: su also works | 02:07 |
| gnarface | there was a 3rd one i forget the name of | 02:07 |
| fsmithred | sup? | 02:08 |
| gnarface | no it was something like runasuser | 02:08 |
| fsmithred | sux? (not sure if I saw that somewhere or made it up) | 02:08 |
| fsmithred | oh, that sounds familiar | 02:08 |
| gnarface | though you bring up a good point there may be several alternatives. mostly i use su at home and sudo at work (when i have to share access with other people) | 02:08 |
| gnarface | but for starting virtualized guests in such a situation, i'd probably create a dedicated user just for starting and stopping guests, and not allow it to do anything else | 02:09 |
| drwhite | I don't allow sudo. No point in it, either I'm using root, or the account doesn't have acccess to it. | 02:15 |
| drwhite | good, then selinux isn't the issue. | 02:15 |
| drwhite | it's ' su -c "{command here}" ' That is how to run something as root. Otherwise ' su {username} -c "{command here}" ' | 02:17 |
| drwhite | gnarface: I need to be able to have a user that has thr gith permissoins, and some of these things can only be done as links, so that's easy enough for targeting disks. But there are so many things that need to be worked out. | 02:18 |
| gnarface | well i don't know your setup but usually most of the permissions you'd actually need are already defined under one of the existing system groups | 02:20 |
| gnarface | su can be used to run commands as arbitrary users, not just root | 02:20 |
| gnarface | now, if you've come recently from a systemd distro, it ignores traditional permissions settings and just grants blanket root access to all locally logged-in console users. this is not only an outrageously bad idea but may also be disorienting to you if you weren't already familiar with the traditional unix user-and-group-based filesystem permissions | 02:24 |
| drwhite | I hate systemD | 02:24 |
| drwhite | I dasable most things in a SystemD distrobution. | 02:24 |
| drwhite | systemD barely has any permissions when I'm done with it. | 02:24 |
| gnarface | nonetheless, coming from one of those distros to devuan may seem like a regression because suddenly the default permissions setup is working right | 02:24 |
| drwhite | Actually, it doesn't seem like a regressions at all. | 02:25 |
| drwhite | It is an advancement. | 02:25 |
| gnarface | my point is it wasn't made that was by devuan. it predates devuan *and* debian. it wasn't designed to hinder virtualization. it was just designed to hinder infiltration. | 02:26 |
| gnarface | *that way by devuan | 02:26 |
| gnarface | actually it was designed long before virtualization was anything other than fringe science fiction | 02:28 |
| gnarface | the mere the idea of building computer that simulates computers back then would have been absurd. it would have been cheaper to just clone the machine. | 02:29 |
| drwhite | true | 02:32 |
| drwhite | The whole point of what I'm tryign to achieve is to produce a more secure system than what is already out there in virtualisation. | 02:32 |
| drwhite | Ther eis already a version out there that is built to have great security. | 02:32 |
| drwhite | But I have many issues with their system and way of doing things | 02:33 |
| drwhite | I see so many holes it's not funny. | 02:33 |
| drwhite | SystemD, SELinux.. they are 2 of the biggest holes | 02:33 |
| drwhite | And a passwordless sudo just leaves the system open. | 02:33 |
| drwhite | There is a lot of kerfuffle about systemD, and they ahve built so much for SystemD that requires SystemD it's not funny | 02:34 |
| drwhite | Try to install a package and "SystemD is not installed, we require this" | 02:34 |
| drwhite | So I'm rewriting their code. | 02:35 |
| drwhite | And moving things away from Python | 02:35 |
| drwhite | So I'm going for a full security version of what they are doing, which is supposedly very secure. | 02:35 |
| drwhite | And devuan is the distribution that I have seen and looked at that has most of the security I want. | 02:36 |
| drwhite | I'm tryign to move everything written in slow and clunky python to be written in native code | 02:38 |
| drwhite | thus faster and more efficient | 02:38 |
| booyah | and with memory exploits | 02:42 |
| xrogaan | is kde a systemd slave yet? | 02:45 |
| drwhite | I think all major ones are. | 02:50 |
| drwhite | only the smaller ones like xfce, mate, etc. are not. | 02:50 |
| xrogaan | Apparently it is distro dependent. Devuan could repackage gnome to be systemd free. | 03:28 |
| blinkdog | Somebody made a KDevuan: https://sourceforge.net/projects/kdevuan/ | 03:30 |
| xrogaan | oh, maybe not for gnome | 03:32 |
| blinkdog | I think Devuan ASCII supports Cinnamon; that's a fork of gnome, so there is kinda gnome support already | 03:34 |
| blinkdog | Maybe not gnome-proper but | 03:34 |
| terra | Guys, I want to install gtk2 version LXDE but it seems Devuan uses Qt version of it? | 11:09 |
| terra | I don't know what was in mind of Devuan devs during serving QT version of LXDE as default | 11:12 |
| terra | This issue really pissed me off since I was trying bare minimum system on 2GB dom disk. | 11:13 |
| terra | I can't do this due to QT dependencies | 11:13 |
| djph | perhaps depends | 11:26 |
| terra | yes qt is a hell of dependency | 11:29 |
| djph | I meant other dependencies in lxde-gtk2 | 11:30 |
| terra | yes i already assumed that | 11:30 |
| terra | even if I try to istall pcmanfm QT still comes as dependency | 11:31 |
| terra | what a mess! | 11:31 |
| terra | I'm using Alpine Linux but this is not a case with it. | 11:33 |
| terra | What kind of dependency make all QT stuff comes in? | 11:34 |
| gnarface | it's basically a gnome camp vs kde camp thing | 11:35 |
| gnarface | you can avoid it | 11:37 |
| gnarface | i don't know why lxde is pulling stuff in, but there are actually lighter-weight window managers if you're looking for minimalism | 11:37 |
| terra | QT dependencies makes all ideas behind LXDE baseless | 11:37 |
| gnarface | well it could be one of the recommends | 11:37 |
| gnarface | there's a way to find out... | 11:38 |
| gnarface | if you care | 11:38 |
| gnarface | or you could just remove qt and see what gets pulled out with it | 11:38 |
| terra | I have no space left. I can't install lxde-core | 11:38 |
| gnarface | are you really tied to lxde? i could recommend blackbox instead, but i'd hate for you to have to go through the trouble and find out that it was just some completely unneeded calculator app or something that was doing it | 11:39 |
| gnarface | maybe just try it again without recommends enabled | 11:40 |
| terra | Myself, I use jwm standalone. | 11:40 |
| terra | But this system is going to be in an office | 11:40 |
| gnarface | hmmm | 11:40 |
| gnarface | did you install libreoffice? | 11:41 |
| terra | 1gb ram 2gb disk | 11:41 |
| terra | 1.5G system + 500mb swap | 11:41 |
| gnarface | you can probably get away with a little less swap | 11:42 |
| terra | libreoffice writer.. no unfortunately | 11:42 |
| terra | Probably I will go with Void Linux or Alpine | 11:42 |
| terra | It took 500+mb base system which is too high for a non-systemd OS | 11:43 |
| gnarface | oh i bet you can get it down to 500 | 11:44 |
| terra | I really don't geti it | 11:44 |
| gnarface | aptitude why [package name] | 11:44 |
| terra | I mean Devuan after netinst, no-xorg | 11:44 |
| gnarface | apt-get --no-install-recommends install [package name] | 11:44 |
| gnarface | if you want a minimal install from the netinst, then at the tasksel panel, don't check any of the boxes | 11:45 |
| gnarface | lots of people assume it's inferred that you have to check *something* but you don't actually | 11:45 |
| terra | gnarface: I already didn't check anything | 11:45 |
| terra | even console-tools | 11:45 |
| gnarface | hmm. and it was above 500MB after install even with nothing else added? how much above 500MB are we talking here? | 11:46 |
| gnarface | maybe that really is as small as it gets now | 11:46 |
| terra | exact number shoul between 460-550 | 11:46 |
| terra | I don't remember | 11:47 |
| gnarface | yea i recall it being about 480 but it could have gained some weight | 11:47 |
| gnarface | i don't think you can get it much smaller than that without stripping out important stuff | 11:47 |
| gnarface | maybe void linux is better after all | 11:47 |
| terra | maybe | 11:47 |
| gnarface | you doing multi-arch? | 11:48 |
| terra | no this is a HP t5570 thin client | 11:48 |
| gnarface | the only other thing i could suggest would be you could try a debootstrap install | 11:49 |
| gnarface | then you can exclude packages on the command-line | 11:49 |
| terra | If I able to prepare an useful image many of them will geti rid of XP embedded on them | 11:49 |
| fsmithred | I just did a quick read of the scrollback | 11:50 |
| fsmithred | terra, if you want lxde, then don't install lxqt. | 11:50 |
| fsmithred | do minimal install, then install lxde afterward. | 11:50 |
| terra | fsmithred: I'm already doing that | 11:50 |
| fsmithred | it's in the repo. | 11:50 |
| fsmithred | ok, good | 11:51 |
| terra | but all QT stuff comes with regular lxde-core | 11:51 |
| fsmithred | good luck with the polkit shit. | 11:51 |
| fsmithred | ??? | 11:51 |
| gnarface | oh i had a thought. terra you're not including non-free and contrib at install time are you? | 11:51 |
| terra | is there a screen for that asking for it? | 11:52 |
| gnarface | yes but i usually install in expert mode. i dunno if it's in regular mode. | 11:52 |
| gnarface | i just don't remember. not sure i've ever looked actually | 11:53 |
| gnarface | you can know by checking the /etc/apt/sources.list file though | 11:53 |
| gnarface | it would still be there | 11:53 |
| terra | gnarface: I don't it will be useful since this a dependency related issue which breaks purpose LXDE | 11:53 |
| terra | *of | 11:53 |
| fsmithred | expert install with a mirror lets you select contrib/nonfree | 11:54 |
| gnarface | nothing in contrib or non-free will break the purpose of lxde if it's missing. | 11:54 |
| gnarface | some hardware-specific stuff might break kernel support if it's missing, but usually you can just install those packages without getting crap like colord included | 11:55 |
| terra | I don't geti it.. why entirely different repos would make apps have less deps? | 11:55 |
| terra | magically? | 11:55 |
| gnarface | i can think of several completely mundane explanations | 11:55 |
| gnarface | including the fact recommends are enabled by default | 11:57 |
| gnarface | which you should really try shutting off | 11:57 |
| gnarface | it might be what you're primarily complaining about | 11:57 |
| gnarface | if you're complaining specifically about disk-space only anyway | 11:57 |
| terra | yes | 11:58 |
| gnarface | keep in mind that package count alone could be misleading because debian tends to break certain things up into more separate packages than other distros | 11:58 |
| gnarface | that in and of itself doesn't really cause a lot of extra space usage | 11:58 |
| terra | I already don't have contrib and non-free | 12:00 |
| gnarface | ok | 12:00 |
| terra | only main | 12:00 |
| gnarface | fsmithred: is there a way to list just packages that were only included because of recommends? | 12:01 |
| fsmithred | not sure | 12:01 |
| fsmithred | still drinking first coffee of the day | 12:01 |
| fsmithred | I do see there's a bunch of qt installed in lxde | 12:02 |
| fsmithred | terra, did you get all of lxqt with lxde? Can you actually run an lxqt session? | 12:02 |
| terra | fsmithred: no i didn't install because that I saw all qt stuff at confirmation prompt | 12:03 |
| terra | libfm-gtk2 doesn't exist | 12:05 |
| fsmithred | in slim, only choices are lxde or openbox session | 12:05 |
| terra | it is libfm-gtk4 | 12:05 |
| fsmithred | omg, not yet, please | 12:05 |
| terra | and libfm-qt | 12:05 |
| fsmithred | libfm-gtk4 - file management support (GTK+ 2.0 GUI library) | 12:06 |
| terra | ?? | 12:06 |
| fsmithred | apt-cache search libfm | 12:06 |
| fsmithred | gives that result | 12:06 |
| terra | (GTK+ 2.0 GUI library) what does this mean? | 12:07 |
| fsmithred | looks like that's the one you want | 12:07 |
| fsmithred | it means gtk2 not gtk3 | 12:07 |
| fsmithred | and I guess gtk4 does not mean gtk4 | 12:07 |
| terra | yes pcmanfm uses libfm-gtk4 but still pushes lots of QT stuff | 12:08 |
| terra | liblxqt-l10n ?? | 12:10 |
| gnarface | internationalization library maybe? | 12:11 |
| fsmithred | yes | 12:11 |
| fsmithred | without that, we get cursed at in multiple tongues | 12:11 |
| terra | https://devuan.org/os/documentation/dev1fanboy/migrate-jessie-minimalism | 12:14 |
| terra | Configure minimalism -> this does things much smaller | 12:14 |
| fsmithred | yes, that's a good way to start | 12:15 |
| terra | Can append this before new install? | 12:15 |
| fsmithred | append what? | 12:16 |
| terra | APT::Install-Recommends "0"; APT::AutoRemove::RecommendsImportant "false"; | 12:16 |
| gnarface | maybe with debootstrap | 12:16 |
| fsmithred | where are you going to put that before an install? | 12:16 |
| gnarface | definitely with preseeding | 12:16 |
| terra | etc/apt/apt.conf.d/01lean | 12:17 |
| fsmithred | you're about to start a new install? | 12:18 |
| terra | yep | 12:18 |
| fsmithred | I usually un-check everything except standard system utilities | 12:18 |
| terra | maybe I could gain some space | 12:18 |
| fsmithred | you'll get a few recommended packages, but probably ones you want | 12:18 |
| fsmithred | then reboot into the new system and start adding desktop stuff | 12:19 |
| fsmithred | set 'no recommends' before you start adding stuff | 12:19 |
| terra | thanks guys. I will try. | 12:23 |
| fsmithred | terra, you may have to experiment with which polkit related packages are installed. | 12:25 |
| fsmithred | the reason lxde is not a choice in the installer is because we couldn't get it to work right without post-install fiddling | 12:25 |
| * jordila is trying to install nextcloud's desktop client ... as per https://www.linuxbabe.com/debian/install-nextcloud-desktop-client-debian-9-stretch | 14:29 | |
| djph | and ... ? | 14:30 |
| jordila | ' The following packages have unmet dependencies: libnextcloudsync0 : Depends: libqt5core5a (>= 5.9.0~beta) but 5.7.1+dfsg-3+b1 is to be installed | 14:30 |
| jordila | Depends: libqt5gui5 (>= 5.8.0) but 5.7.1+dfsg-3+b1 is to be installed | 14:30 |
| jordila | what am i missing here ? | 14:31 |
| * jordila jordila is clearly missing libnextcloudsync0 package ... | 14:34 | |
| jordila | ah... how to get libnextcloudsync0 package ? | 14:35 |
| fsmithred | jordila, are you mixing repos? | 14:37 |
| jordila | yes, i am fsmithred | 14:38 |
| fsmithred | seems like nextcloud for stretch wants versions of stuff that are newer than what's in stretch | 14:38 |
| fsmithred | 5.7.1+dfsg-3+b1 is stretch/ascii version | 14:38 |
| jordila | is it possible to succeed in installing NextCloud desktop client in Devuan ascii ? | 14:39 |
| fsmithred | I don't know | 14:41 |
| fsmithred | you added an ubuntu ppa? | 14:41 |
| fsmithred | try apt-cache policy libqt5core4a | 14:42 |
| fsmithred | see if the version you need is there | 14:43 |
| fsmithred | jordila, ^^^ | 14:45 |
| fsmithred | except with the right package name (5a not 4a) | 14:51 |
| jordila | yes fsmithred, i added an ubuntu ppa | 14:53 |
| fsmithred | n/m I just browsed the ppa and they don't have those packages | 14:53 |
| jordila | ah | 14:54 |
| fsmithred | that howto was written last december, before stretch went stable, so maybe some versions changed after that | 14:55 |
| fsmithred | after the article was written | 14:56 |
| jordila | ah... i can say that i have a Nextcloud desktop client running on a Debian Stretch system . | 14:56 |
| fsmithred | did you use zesty or artful? | 14:58 |
| jordila | bionic | 14:59 |
| fsmithred | use older than that | 14:59 |
| fsmithred | I'm looking at Packages.gz in the zesty repo, and it requires 5.7 instead of 5.8 for the libqt stuff | 15:00 |
| * jordila is trying wiht artful 's repo | 15:00 | |
| fsmithred | no, use zesty | 15:01 |
| fsmithred | arful wants ibqt5core5a (>= 5.9.0~beta) | 15:02 |
| jordila | ah | 15:02 |
| FlibberTGibbet | the nextcloud client is running fine or thereabouts on my ascii system | 15:02 |
| FlibberTGibbet | might have downloaded the deb direct from their site though | 15:02 |
| fsmithred | which version? | 15:02 |
| FlibberTGibbet | just a sec | 15:02 |
| FlibberTGibbet | 2.3.3 | 15:03 |
| FlibberTGibbet | don't know if that's latest | 15:03 |
| FlibberTGibbet | ah, no. i cheated and used the appimage | 15:03 |
| fsmithred | 2.3.3-2017 or -2018? | 15:04 |
| fsmithred | oh | 15:04 |
| fsmithred | so you got everything you needed in one bundle | 15:04 |
| FlibberTGibbet | yup. probably a humdinger of a security risk but it worked off the bat | 15:04 |
| fsmithred | I was wrong about the stretch release date - it was before that article. But still need to use the right version. | 15:07 |
| terra | I just noticed that drm module of via openchrome is missing on kernel | 15:32 |
| terra | thus, no glx on X | 15:33 |
| enyc | 'hrrm, any idea on changes in devuan and kernel and so on, such that auto-mounting usb-sticks on MATE desktop doesn't work any more "not authorized to perform operation" ? | 15:57 |
| enyc | [on ASCII]. Iirc this was an old issue before ascii was even released, or so. | 15:57 |
| fsmithred | enyc, see the section on policykit backends in the release notes | 15:57 |
| fsmithred | you might need to add or change a package or two | 15:58 |
| enyc | fsmithred: okies, will do!, thankyou! | 16:11 |
| EHeM | Well, either sledjhamr.org broke again or never actually got fixed (round-robin DNS makes testing something of a stochastic process). | 19:48 |
| Digit | that song's stuck in my head now. :3 | 19:48 |
| EHeM | (403 Forbidden yet again) | 19:49 |
| EHeM | KatolaZ: Finally interested in fixing a problem? | 19:51 |
| KatolaZ | EHeM: checking now | 19:58 |
| KatolaZ | (it would be good if you would understand that we are all volunteers here, not a customer service, but that's not essential I guess ;)) | 19:58 |
| KatolaZ | EHeM: I can't reproduce your 403 | 19:59 |
| KatolaZ | :\ | 19:59 |
| buZz | that sledjhamr.org works fine here aswell | 19:59 |
| buZz | 200 | 19:59 |
| EHeM | KatolaZ: I do understand that, but it gets annoying if something keeps getting reportted and you claim nothing is wrong, yet it reproduces fine. | 19:59 |
| KatolaZ | EHeM: I can't reproduce it | 20:00 |
| KatolaZ | could you please paste the command you are using to test it? | 20:00 |
| EHeM | `apt-get update`. | 20:00 |
| KatolaZ | which error do you get, again? | 20:00 |
| KatolaZ | :\ | 20:00 |
| EHeM | " 403 Forbidden [IP: 37.220.36.58 80]" | 20:00 |
| KatolaZ | on which URL, please? | 20:01 |
| EHeM | "Err:5 http://deb.devuan.org//merged stable-security Release" (also updates, backports and stable). | 20:01 |
| EHeM | So, does look like that mirror is missing some of the stable links; perhaps there is good reason for prefering the version-specific names, but for some purposes the stability level naming is very handy and generally allowed everywhere. | 20:04 |
| KatolaZ | EHeM: curl -L -f --header "Host: deb.devuan.org" http://37.220.36.58/merged/dists/ascii-security/Release > tmp | 20:05 |
| KatolaZ | gives 200 | 20:05 |
| KatolaZ | could you please use "ascii-security" instead than "stable-security"? | 20:05 |
| KatolaZ | again EHeM | 20:05 |
| EHeM | KatolaZ: Fine. `apt-get update` gives 403 Forbidden. | 20:05 |
| KatolaZ | EHeM: see above | 20:05 |
| KatolaZ | I get 200 | 20:05 |
| KatolaZ | please try the same line | 20:06 |
| EHeM | KatolaZ: That does in fact give 200 (but stable-security is supposed to work). | 20:06 |
| KatolaZ | nope, it is not | 20:06 |
| KatolaZ | since devuan uses codenames | 20:06 |
| KatolaZ | but I am tired of repeating the same stuff | 20:06 |
| KatolaZ | :\ | 20:06 |
| chillfan | also, i think it should be merged/ ascii-security and not merge ascii-security | 20:06 |
| chillfan | s/merge/merged/ | 20:06 |
| KatolaZ | chillfan: should not make a differerence actually | 20:07 |
| KatolaZ | since the server is apache | 20:07 |
| chillfan | ah | 20:07 |
| KatolaZ | (lighttpd might have problems according to how the redirect is configured) | 20:07 |
| EHeM | KatolaZ: The codenames are sensible for use in may situations. In the case of the particular computer though I have determined using "stable" is a better fit for circumstances, and "stable" is still considered valid usage even if some would like to get rid of it. | 21:59 |
| fsmithred | it will cause problems when buster goes stable and we're still on ascii | 22:00 |
| EHeM | fsmithred: Then for your circumstance using "stable" may not make sense. | 22:02 |
| enyc | fsmithred: that used to be a problem in debian.... they used to put 'stable' in sources.list aaagaes ago ;p | 22:02 |
| fsmithred | yes, I know. I did that going from sarge to etch by mistake | 22:02 |
| fsmithred | but this is a different problem | 22:02 |
| fsmithred | when stretch goes stable, all the packages from debian will be upgraded, and all the packages from devuan will stay at the ascii versions. | 22:03 |
| fsmithred | EHeM, what is your reasoning for using "stable"? | 22:04 |
| EHeM | fsmithred: For my systems I'm trying to avoid most of the known bugs, once a new release is out though generally I'm updating quickly (within a month at worst). | 22:10 |
| fsmithred | well, right before stretch goes stable, do yourself a favor and change "stable" or "ascii" or you'll end up with a half-upgraded system | 22:12 |
| fsmithred | maybe broken system | 22:12 |
| fsmithred | you understand how amprolla works? | 22:13 |
| fsmithred | devuan does not have a repository full of all the packages in debian | 22:14 |
| fsmithred | we host the packages we change, and amprolla pulls the rest directly from debian | 22:14 |
| benharri | stretch is already stable | 22:15 |
| fsmithred | so when the stable/testing/unstable links change over at debian, they will no longer correspond to devuan's stable... | 22:15 |
| fsmithred | buster | 22:15 |
| fsmithred | right | 22:15 |
| fsmithred | thanks | 22:15 |
| EHeM | fsmithred: I've done the experience of upgrading a machine which had been installed i386 to amd64, fixing issues is doable challenge. | 22:17 |
| benharri | so is it advisable to use the codename only and let amprolla figure it out? | 22:18 |
| fsmithred | yes | 22:18 |
| benharri | instead of the stable/testing/unstable labels? | 22:18 |
| benharri | ok | 22:18 |
| benharri | good to know | 22:18 |
| benharri | amprolla is a super cool tool | 22:18 |
| chillfan | it also avoids confusion with debian who has the stable, testing and unstable releases | 22:19 |
| fsmithred | yeah, you'll end up with a cluster-fsck without codenames | 22:19 |
| chillfan | since we have no testing release, it wouldn't make sense | 22:19 |
| chillfan | nor unstable | 22:19 |
| benharri | ah right | 22:19 |
| chillfan | by the way, debian do not recommend using those links as a rule because they could result in an unwanted major version upgrade | 22:20 |
| fsmithred | been there, done that | 22:21 |
| fsmithred | did not pay attention to "1400 packages will be upgraded" | 22:21 |
| benharri | oops! | 22:21 |
| fsmithred | yeah, and that was with the changeover from Xfree86 to xorg | 22:22 |
| chillfan | ah, so you hosed your x11 | 22:22 |
| fsmithred | yeah, I think I ended up reinstalling | 22:22 |
| fsmithred | it was a kid | 22:23 |
| benharri | probably not worth the effort to sort it out | 22:23 |
| chillfan | yeah I seem to remember there was some time for people to change over to xorg, like nvidia etc | 22:23 |
| fsmithred | kid's computer, so nothing important lost | 22:23 |
| Digit | :O :.( | 22:30 |
| Digit | all the best cures for cancer come from kids, dismissed in the culture of ageism. :3 | 22:31 |
| KatolaZ | EHeM: I don't know what to tell you | 22:41 |
| KatolaZ | the only reason we have those links there is that we need to modify a d-i component | 22:42 |
| KatolaZ | once we do that, there will not be any stable/testing link in devuan | 22:42 |
| KatolaZ | since that's misleading | 22:42 |
| KatolaZ | and can easily break working installations | 22:42 |
| KatolaZ | devuan uses codenames | 22:42 |
| KatolaZ | I don't know how to say it otherwise :) | 22:42 |
| KatolaZ | (so please, do not report "bugs" on mirrors that do not support links to codenames, because it is not considered a bug at all) | 22:43 |
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