libera/#devuan/ Sunday, 2018-12-09

golinuxarmin: Nice!00:23
se7enI'm unable to use Mutt with Torsocks, it tells me there's a permission error with "mutt_dotlock"00:23
se7enMy loopback isn't set to automatically enable00:23
se7enfetchamil has the same permissions erorr when I torify00:24
se7enI have to give x11 root access in it's conf, this error is also reported in the debian ML00:24
se7enThere are many issues with the upgrade to ASCII00:24
se7enThese seem to be overlooked00:24
golinuxse7en: Or maybe other people aren't having them or they aren't being reported so we don't know about them00:59
golinuxThere's also always a chance they could be upstream so check there too.  Sorry I haven't followed this very closely.01:00
turbosnailHi. Do I have to install Devuan with SysVinit and then convert to OpenRC?01:56
turbosnailTrying to find a guide...02:00
Jjp137you can select OpenRC if you do an expert install02:00
Jjp137you'll have to load the choose-init component at the "load installer components from CD" step during said install02:01
Jjp137and then later you'll get asked which init to install02:01
turbosnailJjp137: thank02:01
turbosnailJjp137: thank you. much appriciated :)02:01
Jjp137np :)02:02
turbosnail:)02:02
joe9i am trying devuan installer in openbsd vmm. it cannot detect the cdrom. I am trying to figure out how to get to the shell. I press 2 and F2 and nothing happens.02:10
joe9the installer shows in the top 2 shell 3 shell. so , I figure there must be a way to get to it.02:11
se7enIt's M^F1 through M^F6, joe902:11
joe9se7en: M is mapped to my window manager. I will figure out how to get past that. Thanks.02:12
turbosnailwould like to run it without D-Bus, but wondering if FF-ESR 60 runs without?02:15
joe9where are the devuan man pages? I am trying to figure out how to change the grub boot options, but, it does not seem to be in /boot/03:00
joe9I am looking for grub.cfg in /boot03:00
joe9root@devuan:/etc/default# update-grub03:04
joe9/usr/sbin/grub-probe: error: failed to get canonical path of `overlay'.03:04
golinuxjoe9: Most Debian man pages are still valid for devuan03:11
joe9the devuan desktop live has a lot of packages. when I do refractainstaller, it installs all of them to the hard disk. I am thinking that I would need to remove those packages before doing the install.03:21
joe9and, also after the install, where are the grub options. I can change /etc/default/grub and update-grub as per the man pages. but, update-grub does not work after the install.03:22
golinuxThe refractainstaller rsyncs whatever is on the working disc.03:25
golinuxMaybe you'd prefer to build up your system from the minimal-live.iso03:26
golinuxjoe903:26
golinux^^^03:27
golinuxIt also uses the refractainstaller03:27
joe9ok, thanks. will try that.03:27
joe9devuan_ascii_2.0.0_amd64_dvd-1.iso i tried this but it had trouble with the serial console.03:28
joe9will try the minimal. thanks.03:28
rwpjoe9, The grub config file you are probably looking for is /etc/default/grub which is used by update-grub to create /boot/grub/grub.cfg03:29
rwpIIRC03:29
joe9update-grub is failing though. but, it could be because I am doing it from the refractainstaller.03:29
golinux/etc/default/grub is the file he altered03:29
golinuxYou probably have to do that on an installed system03:30
golinuxTry it in a vm first03:31
joe9ok, Thanks. sorry for the bother.03:31
rwpOr try chroot'ing into the target system?03:31
rwpIf you have installed into /target (or whatever) then you can chroot /target /bin/bash03:32
joe9oh, cool. the /target is what I need. thanks.03:32
rwpAfter you have chroot'd into the target system then you can run most commands as if you were in the system.  Change the passwords.  Create users.  Whatever.03:33
rwpBut the kernel running is still the host kernel not the target system one.03:34
rwpAnd unless /proc /sys /dev have been bind'mounted into the target then some programs looking for those will be unhappy.03:34
rwpBut very useful for setting up things like grub after creating the target.03:34
joe9thanks, this kind of help is unbelievable. Thanks guys.03:36
rwpI should perhaps have suggested 'chroot /target /bin/bash -l' to cause bash to be a login shell and load up .profile and .bashrc.03:36
rwpLoading them up from the target environment instead of inheriting them from the current environment.03:37
rwpgolinux, I have been hearing you talk about the refractainstaller and am intrigued that it installs by copying a reference system.  Where can I learn more about it?03:38
golinuxrefracta.org03:39
golinuxWritten by our very own fsmithred03:39
joe9cool, thanks.03:39
golinuxSpecifically: https://refracta.org/docs/readme.refractainstaller.txt03:40
rwpCool!  I'll check it out.  I have a good use for installing from a reference copy.03:40
* rwp is suffering on a network that is cycling up and down very frequently right now03:41
joe9i tried this image devuan_ascii_2.0.0_amd64_dvd-1.iso from a vm and it could not find the cdrom.03:47
joe9i am about to try with devuan_ascii_2.0.0_amd64_minimal-live.iso03:47
joe9just want to check if it is expected.03:47
XenguyIsn't the netinst pretty much always the best installation option?03:52
XenguyOh I see, test case first03:53
joe9this step takes a while. it keeps sending a lot of dhcp requests to the host [ ok ] Synthesizing the initial hotplug events...done.05:17
joe9[....] Waiting for /dev to be fully populated...05:17
joe9the /dev to be fully populated05:18
joe9is there an alternative to this command on devuan; sudo add-apt-repository ppa:webupd8team/java05:24
joe9it is an ubuntu command05:24
Unit193Launchpad PPAs are an Ubuntu thing.05:24
joe9ok, i am trying to install oracle-java8-installer05:25
joe9and, that repo provides it.05:25
joe9got it.05:30
joe9no, https://tecadmin.net/install-java-8-on-debian/ all the links point to using add-apt-repository05:40
joe9openjdk did the job. so, good riddance.06:11
golinuxjoe9: Please read this wiki page: https://wiki.debian.org/DontBreakDebian/06:16
joe9golinux:  thanks.06:17
golinuxSame holds true for Devuan.  Ubuntu pkgs and ppas can turn your box into a frankendevuan06:17
golinuxYou get ot keep all the pieces.06:18
golinux:D06:18
joe9makes sense. Thanks.06:21
joe9can anyone try this command: dig +short myip.opendns.com @resolver1.opendns.com07:33
joe9I am getting nothing and I do not know if it is devuan or my machine setup.07:33
cinchjoe9, that command shows my ip07:39
joe9ok, Thanks.07:48
fsmithredjoe9, rwp, refractainstaller pauses right before it installs grub so that you can chroot /target and make changes in the installed system. sys, proc and dev are already mounted for the chroot at that point.19:24
rwpHi fsmithred! I think joe9 was using the devuan installer trying to build a VM with a serial console.19:26
fsmithreddevuan installer is a modified debian installer, so if you've ever used d-i, you would recognize it.19:27
rwpAt that time the network I was parked on at a friend's house was so poor that it was really painful for me to do the work I was trying to do.19:27
fsmithredd-i is not in the live isos19:27
fsmithredok, must have been d-i. refractainstaller doesn't use network.19:28
rwpgolinux was talking up the refractainstaller and I have it queued up to try myself here since last night.19:28
fsmithredif you're interested in installing a reference system, you can make a live iso from an installed system19:29
fsmithredwith refractasnapshot19:29
fsmithredI predict you'll either love it or hate it19:29
rwpThat it installs by rsync'ing one file at a time from a reference system is very interesting to me.19:29
fsmithrednobody seems to fall in the middle19:29
rwp:-)19:29
fsmithredit's way faster than netinstall19:30
rwp(Perhaps I used rsync too generically for copy there.  Because when the target is empty then rsync is just a copy tool.)19:30
fsmithredeven with a fast connection, d-i still has to unpack and configure every package19:30
fsmithredbetter filtering than cp19:30
rwpYes.  All of that must happen again and again.  Cloning a reference system would seem to be much faster.19:31
rwpAnd I have an opinionated configuration for my own needs. Which means I do a lot of post-install configuration.19:32
rwpThe ability to easily and quickly install a preconfigured clone is appealing to me.19:32
fsmithredI think you'll like the tools. I try to make them easily adaptable.19:32
rwpDo you remember the old mondo rescue system?  That project is moribund now but at a high level some of the concepts seem similar.19:33
fsmithrednot familiar with mondo19:33
fsmithredrefracta project got started because meandean couldn't get d-i to work properly in isos he made with live-build (live-helper at the time)19:35
fsmithredso he made his own installer. simple, and it works.19:36
rwpSome years ago a Google person (I forget his name now) gave a talk and paper about how they upgraded their RHL 7 (RHL predates RHEL by years) infrastructure... one file at a time.19:38
fsmithredrwp, I have limited internet access right now. If you have questions, you can email me or post at the forum, and I'll answer within a day or two.19:38
rwpThanks for that offer!  I don't have any immediate problems.  I appreciate the information!19:38
fsmithredI started with RHL 7 on a Pentium (166?)19:39
rwpI remember it was a fascinating problem.  And one I have some experience with.19:39
rwpIt sounds like you need to run off so I won't hold you.  But large deployment is a topic I am interested in and have had to deal with before.19:40
fsmithredit might be possible to use refractainstaller to upgrade, but you'd have to make some changes in the way it works.19:40
fsmithredyeah, need to go soon.19:41
rwpRight now my hot topic is a skillet on the stove that is about to have breakfast go into it. :-)19:41
fsmithredlunch time here.19:41
fsmithredsee you later, I hope.19:41
fsmithred(later this week)19:41
fsmithredtake care, have fun (happy hacking)19:42
rwpI need to find and refresh my memory of that old conference presentation...19:44
marsxyz[m]Hey. On Jessie I have trouble reading mp3 files. Is there a specific package I should install ?21:06
rwpmarsxyz[m], It probably depends upon what player you are using. For example 'sox' wants 'libsox-fmt-mp3' installed.22:27
marsxyz[m]I have that both on firefox and clementine. After some inquiry, ogg doesn't work too. I guess the problem is somewhere else23:24

Generated by irclog2html.py 2.17.0 by Marius Gedminas - find it at https://mg.pov.lt/irclog2html/!