golinux | armin: Nice! | 00:23 |
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se7en | I'm unable to use Mutt with Torsocks, it tells me there's a permission error with "mutt_dotlock" | 00:23 |
se7en | My loopback isn't set to automatically enable | 00:23 |
se7en | fetchamil has the same permissions erorr when I torify | 00:24 |
se7en | I have to give x11 root access in it's conf, this error is also reported in the debian ML | 00:24 |
se7en | There are many issues with the upgrade to ASCII | 00:24 |
se7en | These seem to be overlooked | 00:24 |
golinux | se7en: Or maybe other people aren't having them or they aren't being reported so we don't know about them | 00:59 |
golinux | There's also always a chance they could be upstream so check there too. Sorry I haven't followed this very closely. | 01:00 |
turbosnail | Hi. Do I have to install Devuan with SysVinit and then convert to OpenRC? | 01:56 |
turbosnail | Trying to find a guide... | 02:00 |
Jjp137 | you can select OpenRC if you do an expert install | 02:00 |
Jjp137 | you'll have to load the choose-init component at the "load installer components from CD" step during said install | 02:01 |
Jjp137 | and then later you'll get asked which init to install | 02:01 |
turbosnail | Jjp137: thank | 02:01 |
turbosnail | Jjp137: thank you. much appriciated :) | 02:01 |
Jjp137 | np :) | 02:02 |
turbosnail | :) | 02:02 |
joe9 | i am trying devuan installer in openbsd vmm. it cannot detect the cdrom. I am trying to figure out how to get to the shell. I press 2 and F2 and nothing happens. | 02:10 |
joe9 | the installer shows in the top 2 shell 3 shell. so , I figure there must be a way to get to it. | 02:11 |
se7en | It's M^F1 through M^F6, joe9 | 02:11 |
joe9 | se7en: M is mapped to my window manager. I will figure out how to get past that. Thanks. | 02:12 |
turbosnail | would like to run it without D-Bus, but wondering if FF-ESR 60 runs without? | 02:15 |
joe9 | where are the devuan man pages? I am trying to figure out how to change the grub boot options, but, it does not seem to be in /boot/ | 03:00 |
joe9 | I am looking for grub.cfg in /boot | 03:00 |
joe9 | root@devuan:/etc/default# update-grub | 03:04 |
joe9 | /usr/sbin/grub-probe: error: failed to get canonical path of `overlay'. | 03:04 |
golinux | joe9: Most Debian man pages are still valid for devuan | 03:11 |
joe9 | the devuan desktop live has a lot of packages. when I do refractainstaller, it installs all of them to the hard disk. I am thinking that I would need to remove those packages before doing the install. | 03:21 |
joe9 | and, also after the install, where are the grub options. I can change /etc/default/grub and update-grub as per the man pages. but, update-grub does not work after the install. | 03:22 |
golinux | The refractainstaller rsyncs whatever is on the working disc. | 03:25 |
golinux | Maybe you'd prefer to build up your system from the minimal-live.iso | 03:26 |
golinux | joe9 | 03:26 |
golinux | ^^^ | 03:27 |
golinux | It also uses the refractainstaller | 03:27 |
joe9 | ok, thanks. will try that. | 03:27 |
joe9 | devuan_ascii_2.0.0_amd64_dvd-1.iso i tried this but it had trouble with the serial console. | 03:28 |
joe9 | will try the minimal. thanks. | 03:28 |
rwp | joe9, The grub config file you are probably looking for is /etc/default/grub which is used by update-grub to create /boot/grub/grub.cfg | 03:29 |
rwp | IIRC | 03:29 |
joe9 | update-grub is failing though. but, it could be because I am doing it from the refractainstaller. | 03:29 |
golinux | /etc/default/grub is the file he altered | 03:29 |
golinux | You probably have to do that on an installed system | 03:30 |
golinux | Try it in a vm first | 03:31 |
joe9 | ok, Thanks. sorry for the bother. | 03:31 |
rwp | Or try chroot'ing into the target system? | 03:31 |
rwp | If you have installed into /target (or whatever) then you can chroot /target /bin/bash | 03:32 |
joe9 | oh, cool. the /target is what I need. thanks. | 03:32 |
rwp | After you have chroot'd into the target system then you can run most commands as if you were in the system. Change the passwords. Create users. Whatever. | 03:33 |
rwp | But the kernel running is still the host kernel not the target system one. | 03:34 |
rwp | And unless /proc /sys /dev have been bind'mounted into the target then some programs looking for those will be unhappy. | 03:34 |
rwp | But very useful for setting up things like grub after creating the target. | 03:34 |
joe9 | thanks, this kind of help is unbelievable. Thanks guys. | 03:36 |
rwp | I should perhaps have suggested 'chroot /target /bin/bash -l' to cause bash to be a login shell and load up .profile and .bashrc. | 03:36 |
rwp | Loading them up from the target environment instead of inheriting them from the current environment. | 03:37 |
rwp | golinux, I have been hearing you talk about the refractainstaller and am intrigued that it installs by copying a reference system. Where can I learn more about it? | 03:38 |
golinux | refracta.org | 03:39 |
golinux | Written by our very own fsmithred | 03:39 |
joe9 | cool, thanks. | 03:39 |
golinux | Specifically: https://refracta.org/docs/readme.refractainstaller.txt | 03:40 |
rwp | Cool! I'll check it out. I have a good use for installing from a reference copy. | 03:40 |
* rwp is suffering on a network that is cycling up and down very frequently right now | 03:41 | |
joe9 | i tried this image devuan_ascii_2.0.0_amd64_dvd-1.iso from a vm and it could not find the cdrom. | 03:47 |
joe9 | i am about to try with devuan_ascii_2.0.0_amd64_minimal-live.iso | 03:47 |
joe9 | just want to check if it is expected. | 03:47 |
Xenguy | Isn't the netinst pretty much always the best installation option? | 03:52 |
Xenguy | Oh I see, test case first | 03:53 |
joe9 | this step takes a while. it keeps sending a lot of dhcp requests to the host [ ok ] Synthesizing the initial hotplug events...done. | 05:17 |
joe9 | [....] Waiting for /dev to be fully populated... | 05:17 |
joe9 | the /dev to be fully populated | 05:18 |
joe9 | is there an alternative to this command on devuan; sudo add-apt-repository ppa:webupd8team/java | 05:24 |
joe9 | it is an ubuntu command | 05:24 |
Unit193 | Launchpad PPAs are an Ubuntu thing. | 05:24 |
joe9 | ok, i am trying to install oracle-java8-installer | 05:25 |
joe9 | and, that repo provides it. | 05:25 |
joe9 | got it. | 05:30 |
joe9 | no, https://tecadmin.net/install-java-8-on-debian/ all the links point to using add-apt-repository | 05:40 |
joe9 | openjdk did the job. so, good riddance. | 06:11 |
golinux | joe9: Please read this wiki page: https://wiki.debian.org/DontBreakDebian/ | 06:16 |
joe9 | golinux: thanks. | 06:17 |
golinux | Same holds true for Devuan. Ubuntu pkgs and ppas can turn your box into a frankendevuan | 06:17 |
golinux | You get ot keep all the pieces. | 06:18 |
golinux | :D | 06:18 |
joe9 | makes sense. Thanks. | 06:21 |
joe9 | can anyone try this command: dig +short myip.opendns.com @resolver1.opendns.com | 07:33 |
joe9 | I am getting nothing and I do not know if it is devuan or my machine setup. | 07:33 |
cinch | joe9, that command shows my ip | 07:39 |
joe9 | ok, Thanks. | 07:48 |
fsmithred | joe9, rwp, refractainstaller pauses right before it installs grub so that you can chroot /target and make changes in the installed system. sys, proc and dev are already mounted for the chroot at that point. | 19:24 |
rwp | Hi fsmithred! I think joe9 was using the devuan installer trying to build a VM with a serial console. | 19:26 |
fsmithred | devuan installer is a modified debian installer, so if you've ever used d-i, you would recognize it. | 19:27 |
rwp | At that time the network I was parked on at a friend's house was so poor that it was really painful for me to do the work I was trying to do. | 19:27 |
fsmithred | d-i is not in the live isos | 19:27 |
fsmithred | ok, must have been d-i. refractainstaller doesn't use network. | 19:28 |
rwp | golinux was talking up the refractainstaller and I have it queued up to try myself here since last night. | 19:28 |
fsmithred | if you're interested in installing a reference system, you can make a live iso from an installed system | 19:29 |
fsmithred | with refractasnapshot | 19:29 |
fsmithred | I predict you'll either love it or hate it | 19:29 |
rwp | That it installs by rsync'ing one file at a time from a reference system is very interesting to me. | 19:29 |
fsmithred | nobody seems to fall in the middle | 19:29 |
rwp | :-) | 19:29 |
fsmithred | it's way faster than netinstall | 19:30 |
rwp | (Perhaps I used rsync too generically for copy there. Because when the target is empty then rsync is just a copy tool.) | 19:30 |
fsmithred | even with a fast connection, d-i still has to unpack and configure every package | 19:30 |
fsmithred | better filtering than cp | 19:30 |
rwp | Yes. All of that must happen again and again. Cloning a reference system would seem to be much faster. | 19:31 |
rwp | And I have an opinionated configuration for my own needs. Which means I do a lot of post-install configuration. | 19:32 |
rwp | The ability to easily and quickly install a preconfigured clone is appealing to me. | 19:32 |
fsmithred | I think you'll like the tools. I try to make them easily adaptable. | 19:32 |
rwp | Do you remember the old mondo rescue system? That project is moribund now but at a high level some of the concepts seem similar. | 19:33 |
fsmithred | not familiar with mondo | 19:33 |
fsmithred | refracta project got started because meandean couldn't get d-i to work properly in isos he made with live-build (live-helper at the time) | 19:35 |
fsmithred | so he made his own installer. simple, and it works. | 19:36 |
rwp | Some years ago a Google person (I forget his name now) gave a talk and paper about how they upgraded their RHL 7 (RHL predates RHEL by years) infrastructure... one file at a time. | 19:38 |
fsmithred | rwp, I have limited internet access right now. If you have questions, you can email me or post at the forum, and I'll answer within a day or two. | 19:38 |
rwp | Thanks for that offer! I don't have any immediate problems. I appreciate the information! | 19:38 |
fsmithred | I started with RHL 7 on a Pentium (166?) | 19:39 |
rwp | I remember it was a fascinating problem. And one I have some experience with. | 19:39 |
rwp | It sounds like you need to run off so I won't hold you. But large deployment is a topic I am interested in and have had to deal with before. | 19:40 |
fsmithred | it might be possible to use refractainstaller to upgrade, but you'd have to make some changes in the way it works. | 19:40 |
fsmithred | yeah, need to go soon. | 19:41 |
rwp | Right now my hot topic is a skillet on the stove that is about to have breakfast go into it. :-) | 19:41 |
fsmithred | lunch time here. | 19:41 |
fsmithred | see you later, I hope. | 19:41 |
fsmithred | (later this week) | 19:41 |
fsmithred | take care, have fun (happy hacking) | 19:42 |
rwp | I need to find and refresh my memory of that old conference presentation... | 19:44 |
marsxyz[m] | Hey. On Jessie I have trouble reading mp3 files. Is there a specific package I should install ? | 21:06 |
rwp | marsxyz[m], It probably depends upon what player you are using. For example 'sox' wants 'libsox-fmt-mp3' installed. | 22:27 |
marsxyz[m] | I have that both on firefox and clementine. After some inquiry, ogg doesn't work too. I guess the problem is somewhere else | 23:24 |
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