DocScrutinizer05 | you might appreciate this https://www.engadget.com/2019/01/19/eu-copyright-directive-rejected-at-council/ | 01:34 |
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Hurgotron | DocScrutinizer05: Yes, good one... but be assured that it will be brought up again at a more "convenient" time for the rights holders. | 02:04 |
ejr | what could be the reason that i can launch x with startx when no external screen is connected to my laptop, but not when there is? | 09:10 |
gnarface | ejr: could be a number of reasons. check the Xorg log | 10:19 |
gnarface | a second monitor would take up more video ram | 10:19 |
gnarface | it would be possible to configure it to need more than it has | 10:20 |
gnarface | (just for example) | 10:20 |
ejr | gnarface: i already checked the logs and posted them in the forum. my suspicion is that it might be related to a pipe 1 / pipe 0 error, but alas i don't know how to solve it. | 10:25 |
ejr | (see here: http://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?id=2604 ) | 10:26 |
systemdlete | gnarface: so I just looked at the logwatch email for PC1, where I made the USB stick that is failing to install jessie. I/O errors. | 10:43 |
systemdlete | So now I am doing a more thorough test on the stick to make sure it really is hard errors. Another thing is that I probably need to use the conv=sparse argument to dd | 10:44 |
systemdlete | otherwise, when I copy the image back from the stick to a temp file to cmopare the original ISO I downloaded to the image on the stick | 10:45 |
systemdlete | I run md5sum to see if they match. They don't; in fact, the temp file is huge by many orders of size. So sparse is part of the issue, but I think the drive may be wonky too | 10:45 |
systemdlete | s/drive/stick/ | 10:45 |
systemdlete | Just an update... I am continue to look into this matter with the KVM switch. This is step one. | 10:46 |
KatolaZ | systemdlete: just `dd if=image of=/dev/whatever` | 11:02 |
KatolaZ | no other options required | 11:03 |
hashlog | Hey, I have a problem updating from jessie to ascii. init-system-helpers is breaking sysvinit-utils and vice versa. Anyone got any idea how to fix this? (https://pastebin.com/yhWyvcrh) | 13:55 |
beatpanic | hello everyone, tired of systemd. I was wondering if it's possible to upgrade from debian sid to ceres | 14:03 |
sixwheeledbeast | Should be as simple as changing your sources.list | 14:14 |
beatpanic | sixwheeledbeast: sounds promising, it will remove also systemd and all that jazz? | 14:14 |
sixwheeledbeast | "should". As Devuan conflicts with systemd packages they would be removed with only libsystemd0 left IIRC? Maybe someone that had done that before can point you in the right direction. | 14:16 |
beatpanic | ok, I'll idle here then. thanks! | 14:17 |
hashlog | Hey, I have a problem updating from jessie to ascii. init-system-helpers is breaking sysvinit-utils and vice versa. Anyone got any idea how to fix this? (https://pastebin.com/yhWyvcrh) | 14:17 |
KatolaZ | beatpanic: you might to want to follow a Debian-to-Devuan upgrade guide | 14:21 |
sixwheeledbeast | beatpanic: this may give you a rough idea in the mean time https://devuan.org/os/documentation/dev1fanboy/migrate-to-ascii | 14:22 |
sixwheeledbeast | oh | 14:22 |
KatolaZ | hashlog: apt-get -f install | 14:23 |
beatpanic | KatolaZ: any links? I am fresh to devuan. thank you | 14:24 |
KatolaZ | hashlog: it might be good to know which version of either package you currently have | 14:24 |
KatolaZ | beatpanic: sixwheeledbeast provided a link above | 14:24 |
beatpanic | k | 14:24 |
beatpanic | I wonder of the migration to ascii applies also to ceres | 14:26 |
beatpanic | Thanks for the pointer folks, I'll try to migrate during the next weekend I believe | 14:27 |
sixwheeledbeast | That's the idea. You should be able to replace the DE for any of the Devuan available ones if xfce isn't your thing. | 14:28 |
sixwheeledbeast | Also init for openrc or what have you. | 14:29 |
KatolaZ | beatpanic: there might be some issues with policykit | 14:29 |
KatolaZ | but there is a guide on dev1galaxy about using the ascii versions | 14:29 |
KatolaZ | that should be hopefully solved soon-ish | 14:30 |
hashlog | Kataloz: init-system-helpers 1.24 and sysvinit-utils 2.88 https://pastebin.com/Xhr2Uvi8 | 14:35 |
hashlog | and which one should I force install? sysvinit-utils or init-system-helpers? | 14:43 |
fsmithred | I would try 'apt-get install sysvinit-utils=2.88dsf-59.9+devuan2' | 14:50 |
fsmithred | that's newer than the 59.3 that apt is complaining about | 14:50 |
fsmithred | hashlog ^^^ | 14:51 |
hashlog | fsmithred: fails with 'sysvinit-utils : Depends: util-linux (> 2.28-2~) but 2.26.2-6+devuan1 is to be installed' | 14:52 |
fsmithred | why is it trying to install jessie versions? | 14:53 |
fsmithred | you changed your sources to ascii and then did an update, right? | 14:54 |
hashlog | i have no idea. In my sources.list there are only ascii entries | 14:54 |
hashlog | fsmithred: yes | 14:54 |
fsmithred | anything pinned or a default release defined? | 14:54 |
hashlog | the apt-get upgrade went through without any problems, i'm getting the problems only on the dist-upgrade | 14:54 |
fsmithred | maybe try aptitude -s full-upgrade' | 14:55 |
fsmithred | to see what solutions it offers | 14:55 |
fsmithred | (-s is --simulate) | 14:56 |
hashlog | The option are either to keep init-system-helpers and util-linux at their current version, or to remove openssh-server. https://pastebin.com/mcQi9DKG | 14:58 |
hashlog | since it's a remote server, removing openssh-server is not an option | 14:59 |
fsmithred | if you 'apt-get upgrade' again, will it upgrade anything else? | 15:06 |
hashlog | nothing, just a notice about held back packages. | 15:08 |
hashlog | fsmithred: ^^^ any idea? | 15:27 |
fsmithred | hashlog, sorry, I've been trying to get an idea and I'm still waiting for it to come | 15:30 |
pardis | Something isn't right about this pastebin | 15:31 |
fsmithred | my guess is that one or more of those packages needs the version forced, but I don't know which ones. | 15:31 |
pardis | Those are the jessie versions of libncurses* stuff it's complaining about | 15:31 |
pardis | aptitude should be upgrading those to ascii too | 15:31 |
fsmithred | yeah, it's wanting jessie versions. I don't understand. | 15:32 |
pardis | Do you have any held packages? | 15:32 |
pardis | Or pins, or something like that? | 15:32 |
hashlog | pardis: no held packages (apt-mark showhold) and no pins | 15:33 |
pardis | What does `apt-cache policy libncurses5` say? | 15:34 |
hashlog | https://pastebin.com/VyrXv0rz . Might the mirror that I use be broken? | 15:35 |
pardis | Perhaps, what does your sources.list look like? | 15:36 |
pardis | There should definitely be a version of that package available from the Devuan repo | 15:36 |
hashlog | https://pastebin.com/f6vZf9i4 | 15:37 |
pardis | You're using just /devuan in those URLs | 15:38 |
pardis | It should be /merged so you get the Debian packages that Devuan hasn't modified as well | 15:38 |
hashlog | ohhh.... | 15:38 |
hashlog | that would explain a lot | 15:38 |
fsmithred | good call, pardis | 15:38 |
hashlog | Now suddenly there are 232 outstanding updates. looks good | 15:41 |
gnarface | ejr: the second monitor thing is still a mystery to me from those logs. but if you add yourself to the "dialout" group, your wacom tablet will probably start working | 18:29 |
gnarface | at this point i'd be trying to manually define the monitors and maybe the modelines for them too, if X isn't auto-detecting their optimal resolution and refresh properly | 18:30 |
gnarface | ejr: (you probably want to be in the video, audio, and input groups too) | 18:31 |
gnarface | ejr: hmmm... make sure /dev/ttyS0 even actually even exists before you add yourself to the dialout group though. yours might not be owned by the same group as mine here... | 18:33 |
gnarface | systemdlete: well, they don't last forever | 18:35 |
gnarface | systemdlete: (you can do a thorough test with the program "badblocks" but it will be very slow) | 18:38 |
buZz | hmm | 18:54 |
buZz | kinda wanna add the devuan conference to topic | 18:54 |
buZz | but it ends up being too long | 18:54 |
buZz | so i give up ;) | 18:54 |
saptech | hey all | 19:57 |
saptech | does anyone use CryFS? | 19:58 |
saptech | if so what are your thoughts about it? | 19:59 |
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