| ServiceRobot | greetings, programs! | 03:33 |
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| golinux | 11000101101 | 03:36 |
| ServiceRobot | so I successfully installed devuan with runit on my personal server. everything appears to be going smoothly, except for dnscrypt-proxy. does anyone here use it? | 03:37 |
| ServiceRobot | I'm using beowulf since I really wanted the 2.0 version | 03:38 |
| furrywolf | golinux: 101010 1101000 1110101 1100111 100001 101010 | 03:41 |
| fsmithred | furrywolf takes little bytes | 04:02 |
| shnaps | Hello there. I'm thinking about moving to devuan. But I want to use i3 + xfce. Does devuan support them? | 17:56 |
| jyri | yes | 17:57 |
| jyri | though, I'm on i3 + WindowMaker | 17:57 |
| shnaps | Does it work without systemd? | 17:58 |
| jyri | yep :) | 17:58 |
| shnaps | Hm. I seen some depencencies in i3 for systemd. It made me thinking about it | 17:59 |
| shnaps | I think it was i3-utils or something similar to this | 18:00 |
| fsmithred | lots of people are using i3 in devuan | 18:03 |
| fsmithred | I think you can download a derivative iso that already has i3 on it | 18:03 |
| fsmithred | shnaps, https://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?id=1798 | 18:04 |
| shnaps | More derivatives for god of derivatives! | 18:07 |
| shnaps | I guess I'll just stuck with devuan and use it | 18:07 |
| fsmithred | lol, they're useful for testing | 18:09 |
| fsmithred | or, if you happen to find one that has exactly what you want. | 18:10 |
| shnaps | I'd like to test! But I'm too tired reinstalling different linux isos for last couple weeks. Now I just want working laptop, lol | 18:12 |
| fsmithred | they're live isos - just image a usb stick and boot it | 18:13 |
| fsmithred | but I can sympathize with you about too many installs | 18:14 |
| shnaps | I guess I can just for them at youtube | 18:15 |
| fsmithred | oh yeah, some of them are there | 18:19 |
| shnaps | Damn, haven't seen that I skiped the word "look" | 18:20 |
| fsmithred | I missed that, too. Could have sworn it was there. | 18:20 |
| shnaps | Huh, some black magic is going on | 18:22 |
| shnaps | Okay, downloaded netinstall, wish me luck. I'm going deep | 18:22 |
| fsmithred | you'll be fine | 18:22 |
| fsmithred | choose expert install | 18:23 |
| shnaps | Okay, got it. Thanks! | 18:24 |
| shnaps | Well, I wasn't able to load netinst for some reason. Don't know why | 18:41 |
| shnaps | Which cd should I download? 1/2/3? | 18:42 |
| golinux | shnaps: Please read the descriptions of the various isos on the devuan.org index page | 18:48 |
| shnaps | I already did it. I mean what is the difference between cd1, cd2, cd3? They are all cds. And I just need install iso | 18:50 |
| fsmithred | shnaps, what do you mean you couldn't load it? If it failed to boot, how far did you get? | 18:51 |
| shnaps | Just loaded grub and than got error | 18:52 |
| fsmithred | cd1 has what you need to get started, cd2 and cd3 have additional software. | 18:52 |
| KatolaZ | shnaps: if your box is connected to the internet during install, just download the netinst | 18:53 |
| fsmithred | are you booting from usb or optical media? | 18:53 |
| KatolaZ | shnaps: please explain "I wasn't able to load netinst for some reason. Don't know why" | 18:53 |
| KatolaZ | shnaps: what did you do exactly? | 18:53 |
| fsmithred | shnaps, come back | 18:56 |
| shnaps | Okay, I burned netinstall iso with utilite to my flash drive. Then rebooted laptop, choosed devuan and got error that I don't have some packages and not able to load it. That's all | 18:57 |
| fsmithred | utilite? | 19:01 |
| KatolaZ | shnaps: use dd | 19:01 |
| KatolaZ | and, please, report the exact error you see | 19:01 |
| shnaps | Well, redownloaded live iso. Started it and got just black screen on login. | 19:08 |
| shnaps | KatolaZ, not able to use dd, I have flash with multiple isos. | 19:08 |
| shnaps | fsmithred, yumi. Used it before, first time such problem | 19:09 |
| KatolaZ | shnaps: I don't know what you are talking about | 19:09 |
| shnaps | I mean that if I'll use dd, I'll loose all stuff that I have on my flash drive right now. So I use yumi. It always worked before | 19:11 |
| fsmithred | nvidia graphics? | 19:11 |
| shnaps | Nope, Intel hd 4000 | 19:11 |
| fsmithred | ok. any time I hear 'boots to black screen' the first thing I think of is adding 'nomodeset' to the boot command | 19:12 |
| fsmithred | oh, and sometimes just waiting for a few minutes does it | 19:12 |
| fsmithred | the desktop-live should install ok from a multi-boot usb if you can get it to boot. | 19:13 |
| fsmithred | the netinstall would probably require some manual tweaking to get it to find the cdrom | 19:13 |
| shnaps | I guess so | 19:14 |
| shnaps | Haven't expected this tho | 19:14 |
| shnaps | Rebooting now, gonna try "nomodeset" | 19:14 |
| murii | Hey, can someone tell me what mesa version you have? | 19:27 |
| murii | or from what year it is? | 19:27 |
| shnaps | Tried again with "nomodeset". Same stuff, devuan running, I see services running and than black screen instead of login(I guess after shim or slim got loaded). I managed to see for a moment when I exited with power button that I got like 6 errors in console that authorization invalid or something like that. | 19:27 |
| fsmithred | shnaps, did you try ctrl-alt-F1 to get to console? | 19:29 |
| KatolaZ | murii: https://pkginfo.devuan.org/cgi-bin/d1pkgweb-query?search=mesa&release=ascii | 19:30 |
| fsmithred | murii, mesa libs are 13.0.6... in ascii and 10.3.2... in jessie | 19:30 |
| KatolaZ | https://pkginfo.devuan.org/cgi-bin/d1pkgweb-query?search=mesa&release=ceres | 19:30 |
| KatolaZ | murii: ^^^ this is for ceres | 19:30 |
| KatolaZ | and beowulf | 19:31 |
| murii | thanks | 19:35 |
| shnaps | Sure, first thing that I did | 19:36 |
| fsmithred | and do you have a command prompt there? | 19:38 |
| shnaps | Nope, only black screen. | 19:39 |
| fsmithred | shit | 19:39 |
| fsmithred | is it very new hardware? | 19:40 |
| shnaps | Lol, no. Old laptop from 2011 | 19:40 |
| fsmithred | damn, that should work | 19:40 |
| shnaps | I have no idea why I getting this. Seems like basically it works | 19:41 |
| shnaps | But for some reason I'm not getting command promt after devuan loaded itself. Only black screen | 19:42 |
| shnaps | Anyway, I almost downloaded dvd install iso, going to check it | 19:42 |
| xcm | hello | 21:50 |
| amesser | hi xcm | 22:02 |
| xcm | just installed debian on a box and i can't reach it from another, but it's starting to look like it's not devuan's fault since i can reach it from other devices | 22:04 |
| xcm | *devuan, woops. | 22:04 |
| rdav__ | xcm from the devuan box, ipconfig, and check the network config, is it in the same subnet at the other boxes? | 22:06 |
| xcm | everything looks fine, looks like an openwrt issue instead so don't be alarmed! | 22:07 |
| amesser | maybe dns is not working as expected? | 22:14 |
| amesser | My fritz.box router sometimes didn't recognize the hostname of my devuan box. I had to manually configure dhclient to send a client identifier | 22:16 |
| amesser | otherwise the dnsmasq in the fritz.box didn't store the hostname | 22:16 |
| amesser | from the dhcp request | 22:16 |
| xcm | i had to put all the ethernet ports in the same vlan. sorry for the noise | 22:18 |
| gnarface | welcome aboard! | 22:19 |
| xcm | thanks! i needed some low-maintenance OS for this tiny home server. so far so good :) | 22:20 |
| rdav__ | xcm: no problemo, if you have time, could you put instructions up on devuan galaxy forum as a howto? | 22:22 |
| xcm | this was a problem with my router | 22:27 |
| rdav__ | ahh i see, the openwrt router? | 22:29 |
| xcm | yep. only recently switched to it and hadn't noticed this problem | 22:29 |
| shnaps | Okay, I failed install. Got windows installed. Still want to get devuan. I have uefi partition right now, debuan dvd and flash drive. What to do? | 22:29 |
| shnaps | devuan* | 22:30 |
| gnarface | shnaps: you probably have to disable secure boot | 22:31 |
| gnarface | (just a guess) | 22:31 |
| gnarface | shnaps_: you probably have to disable secure boot | 22:32 |
| shnaps_ | It is disabled, I used archlinux before | 22:33 |
| shnaps_ | With uefi also | 22:33 |
| gnarface | oh hmm. there's probably some second part to the trick then. check the forums it's mentioned in there somewhere. actually it might even be mentioned in the release notes. you're not the first person to run into this problem | 22:34 |
| gnarface | shnaps_: how did it actually fail? | 22:35 |
| gnarface | did it finish and just fail to boot? | 22:35 |
| shnaps_ | What do you mean? | 22:35 |
| shnaps_ | Which of errors do you want to know? | 22:35 |
| shnaps_ | I tried multiple isos | 22:36 |
| gnarface | just the last 10 or so | 22:36 |
| gnarface | make sure you removed "quiet" from the grub command-line so you can actually see what it's doing when it boots. | 22:36 |
| gnarface | does it make it at least to grub? | 22:36 |
| shnaps_ | Oh, let me tell | 22:37 |
| gnarface | i'm sorry i'm not clear on if you managed to even start the install or not | 22:38 |
| gnarface | you have to tell me more details about what went wrong so i'm not just guessing here | 22:38 |
| shnaps_ | Yeah, sure | 22:38 |
| shnaps_ | So, 1 time I tried network iso. Got wrong grub config, I guess | 22:38 |
| shnaps_ | I tried to fix it - no luck | 22:39 |
| fsmithred | better to tell symptoms than your conclusions | 22:39 |
| shnaps_ | Well, network - "/slug" not found, failed to find everything | 22:40 |
| shnaps_ | That's why I guessed that my utility flashed this iso wrong | 22:40 |
| fsmithred | have you been able to boot either live media or installer media? | 22:42 |
| shnaps_ | 2 try - live system. Got it running, loading all systems, seen wicd service started, slim? service started too. Then got black screen without any command promt. Tried to change tty - no luck, still no command promt | 22:42 |
| fsmithred | can you burn an iso to dvd? | 22:43 |
| shnaps_ | After couple tries with it, I tried "nomodeset" and still no luck | 22:43 |
| shnaps_ | Nope | 22:44 |
| fsmithred | or run out to the store to get a second usb flash drive that you can dd? | 22:44 |
| shnaps_ | It is hour past midnight here | 22:45 |
| shnaps_ | So, no luck, lol | 22:45 |
| shnaps_ | After this I tried to burn dvd install on my flash - too big, fat32 not allowed it | 22:46 |
| shnaps_ | But I still think that I can get devuan running. But I need some help. Where can I get grub example? | 22:46 |
| shnaps_ | I can try to burn it again and then fix it manually | 22:46 |
| gnarface | if it makes it all the way to slim, it's not a problem with grub | 22:47 |
| gnarface | it might be a elogind/polkit conflict | 22:47 |
| gnarface | check the release notes | 22:47 |
| shnaps_ | What place exactly should I check? I'm still little noob | 22:47 |
| gnarface | https://files.devuan.org/devuan_ascii/Release_notes.txt | 22:47 |
| fsmithred | what's the longest time you have spent looking at the black desktop screen? | 22:47 |
| shnaps_ | Like 5 mins | 22:48 |
| fsmithred | ok | 22:48 |
| shnaps_ | Oh, forgot to mention | 22:48 |
| gnarface | sound like it could be the common sesson management backend conflict problem | 22:48 |
| shnaps_ | I seen "Authorization invalid/failed" in console | 22:48 |
| shnaps_ | When I restarted laptop with power button | 22:49 |
| shnaps_ | And there where like 10 this errors 1 by 1 | 22:49 |
| fsmithred | oh, this utility that puts the iso on the usb... | 22:49 |
| fsmithred | does it create the boot menu entry? | 22:49 |
| fsmithred | or does it copy it from the iso? | 22:50 |
| fsmithred | make sure 'username=devuan' is there (in the destkop-live boot command) | 22:50 |
| shnaps_ | Let me check | 22:50 |
| shnaps_ | I guess it just copy stuff from iso | 22:51 |
| shnaps_ | Because I used it without any problems | 22:51 |
| shnaps_ | For arch/ubuntu/slack/etc | 22:51 |
| fsmithred | not relevant | 22:51 |
| shnaps_ | Nope? | 22:51 |
| fsmithred | what boot loader are you using? syslinux or grub? | 22:51 |
| fsmithred | whatever... | 22:51 |
| shnaps_ | grub | 22:51 |
| fsmithred | get to boot menu, press 'e' to edit the boot lines | 22:52 |
| fsmithred | make sure 'username=devuan' is there | 22:52 |
| fsmithred | this is only for the desktop-live | 22:52 |
| shnaps_ | Okay | 22:52 |
| shnaps_ | Burning image again, gonna take look at grub config in running system | 22:54 |
| watchcat | cp linux.iso /dev/sdX never fails me. | 22:56 |
| KatolaZ | cp? | 22:56 |
| watchcat | yep | 22:57 |
| KatolaZ | o_O | 22:57 |
| fsmithred | that should not work | 22:57 |
| fsmithred | cat will work | 22:57 |
| watchcat | cp to a block device does the same thing as dd, except faster. | 22:57 |
| watchcat | cp works fine. | 22:57 |
| fsmithred | but if you have a multiboot usb that you don't want to trash, neither will work | 22:57 |
| shnaps_ | https://pastebin.com/hp4qZzcR well, I don't have any username in my grub config | 22:58 |
| watchcat | right. it trashes the mbr/whatever. | 22:58 |
| fsmithred | KatolaZ, I'm about to try with the modified minimal iso | 22:59 |
| KatolaZ | ok fsmithred | 22:59 |
| KatolaZ | let me know | 22:59 |
| watchcat | note /dev/sdX, not /dev/sdXn | 23:00 |
| fsmithred | codepage cp437 not found | 23:00 |
| KatolaZ | watchcat: shnaps_ has a multi-boot device | 23:00 |
| fsmithred | over and over again | 23:00 |
| fsmithred | but at least it's trying to mount the fat partition | 23:00 |
| watchcat | i see. yeh, not applicable to that. | 23:01 |
| shnaps_ | Yeah, I used yumi to do it | 23:01 |
| KatolaZ | fsmithred: that's strange | 23:01 |
| xcm | great, this server is already serving all it ought to serve | 23:01 |
| KatolaZ | the kernel is the stock one | 23:01 |
| fsmithred | shnaps_, you must add it | 23:01 |
| fsmithred | username=devuan | 23:01 |
| watchcat | yumi works pretty well under windows. the linux one is very crude. | 23:01 |
| fsmithred | to the linux line | 23:01 |
| fsmithred | otherwise you will get a black screen and the errors you see when you shut down | 23:02 |
| golinux | shnaps_: HOWTO: Bypass the 4GB filesize limit in Refractasnapshot https://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?id=2416 | 23:15 |
| golinux | Which is not exactly what you need but it can be done. | 23:16 |
| shnaps_ | Oh, good to knowm, thanks! | 23:18 |
| fsmithred | shnaps_, remove "components" and "config" from the linux line, and add "username=devuan" | 23:45 |
| fsmithred | I would remove the "noprompt" too. | 23:46 |
| fsmithred | any idea what 'noprompt' is for? I can't find it in man live-boot or man live-config | 23:47 |
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