| DocScrutinizer05 | djph: >>user@host: starts in $HOME ...<< $HOME of which system, which user? | 00:10 |
|---|---|---|
| DocScrutinizer05 | well, I can answer: the $HOME of the user/system the shell that expands the env var runs in/on | 00:11 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | which frequently is _not_ user@host | 00:12 |
| djph | DocScrutinizer05: $HOME of 'user' on 'target' e.g. if i'd scp file DocScrutinizer05@docshost: ... "file" would be placed in whatever directory is home of " DocScrutinizer05 " on " docshost " | 00:13 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | sorry, ambiguous statement. $HOME is local user shell's env namespace. user@host: is remote user@host's home | 00:14 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and ~ == $HOME | 00:14 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | IOW ~ gets expanded by local shell | 00:15 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | no? | 00:15 |
| djph | im contesting your use of user@host:/path/to/home/directory/file | 00:15 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | hm? | 00:15 |
| djph | and saying the correct simplification is user@host:file | 00:15 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | what's wrong with it? | 00:16 |
| djph | its unnecessary, is all. | 00:16 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I added it to make utterly clear | 00:19 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | jr@saturn:~> echo ~ | 00:21 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | /home/jr | 00:21 |
| metala | DocScrutinizer05: that's kind of obvious, isn't it? | 00:22 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | this is $HOME of local user, not of remote account you access by scp $foo user@10.0.0.3:~/devuan-logo-purpy.txt | 00:22 |
| metala | I have missed the conversation start, sorry. I know htat SCP does not expand tilde to home at remote. In that case you just use the current dir, it should be home. | 00:24 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | [8 Feb 2019 16:49:39] <DocScrutinizer05> >><KatolaZ> humma: user@10.0.0.3:~/devuan-logo-purpy.txt<< don't do that! ~ is local | 00:24 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | [8 Feb 2019 17:01:08] <DocScrutinizer05> what you want is user@10.0.0.3:/home/user/devuan-logo-purpy.txt | 00:25 |
| metala | yep, ok | 00:25 |
| metala | I'd add that ~ is not local, it is expanded in bash if the argument starts with it., thus in scp's case ~ is just like bash \~, it doesn't get expanded since it's part of the argument | 00:29 |
| metala | ref: https://www.gnu.org/software/bash/manual/html_node/Tilde-Expansion.html | 00:30 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | then I been totally wrong | 00:34 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | wasn't aware of >>it doesn't get expanded since it's part of the argument<< | 00:40 |
| metala | I have been quite wrong myself, I thought scp get's the tilde literally, however | 00:41 |
| metala | my test shows that: scp file.txt user@localhost:~/file2.txt | 00:41 |
| metala | copies the file in my home directory, rather than $HOME/~/ | 00:42 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yeah, actually local scvp snd destinatzion "~/file2.txt" to remote sshd verbatim, and remote sshd then expands vars under remote "user" environment | 00:51 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | scp sends* | 00:51 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | sorry for typos: http://maemo.cloud-7.de/share-service/video_2019-02-08_23-58-45.mp4 | 00:53 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | one thing I almost choked on noticing: osuse bash completion does complete scp remote paths, go figure! No surprise it sometimes takes several seconds | 00:59 |
| gnarface | metala: you might be confused because the copy of ssh they forked for OS X did it wrong | 01:02 |
| gnarface | i don't know if that's one they ever fixed either | 01:02 |
| gnarface | but the misbehavior did persist for at least the first few major releases | 01:02 |
| gnarface | basically, failure to expand shell wildcards where expected | 01:03 |
| gnarface | you would get stuff like errors about not being able to find any file named "*" | 01:04 |
| gnarface | (i vaguely recall the workaround, for some reason, was to single-quote everything) | 01:07 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | oh hey, so maybe my "knowledge" wasn't totally wrong, just obsolete? Quite possible | 02:48 |
| va7lnx | this motherboard is soooo much better than the last one. the system operates like night and day | 07:59 |
| va7lnx | brb. rebooting | 08:00 |
| va7lnx | hi. anyone know how I can install the nvidia proprietary drivers? I've installed them, but the module isn't found when I boot. | 08:13 |
| va7lnx | okay. let's try that again without rebooting the maching from the shell. | 08:15 |
| Jjp137 | some guesses: did the DKMS modules get built? if not, did you have the appropriate linux-headers package installed at the time you installed the nvidia drivers? | 08:21 |
| Jjp137 | oh that person left heh. | 08:22 |
| va7lnx | got it. took a bit of futzing | 08:28 |
| va7lnx | yay! my printer works now! | 09:51 |
| va7lnx | sweet. looks like all my peripherals work now | 09:52 |
| va7lnx | both printers, nvidia card. sound. new motherboard. | 09:52 |
| gnarface | grats, va7lnx | 10:51 |
| va7lnx | thanks gnarface | 10:51 |
| va7lnx | I also have 12GB of RAM | 10:51 |
| va7lnx | so that makes a different | 10:51 |
| shibboleth | gnarface! | 11:08 |
| shibboleth | :P | 11:08 |
| shibboleth | new week, new systemd vulns | 11:08 |
| golinux | LOL! True dat! | 11:09 |
| va7lnx | shibboleth: on what day can you find new systemd vulns? | 11:20 |
| va7lnx | any day ending in 'y' | 11:20 |
| va7lnx | :) | 11:20 |
| va7lnx | well, long overdue for bed. | 11:21 |
| va7lnx | ttyl | 11:21 |
| shibboleth | just going through deb and ub seclists | 11:23 |
| Wasp | Does anybody kndows the IRC channel for gajim (assuming there is one)? | 16:30 |
| furrymcgee | maybe in #freenode | 16:31 |
| Wasp | One like to send a bug report but there gitlab server doesn't send me an email for regsitration | 16:31 |
| Wasp | tried already, there is #gajim but only one person there who is not responding | 16:32 |
| furrymcgee | you could ask the debian maintainers too | 16:34 |
| DonkeyHotei | Wasp: looks like their chat is over xmpp, not irc | 17:21 |
| DonkeyHotei | pidgin doesn't seem to join it with a GApps acct though | 17:29 |
| Wasp | DonkeyHotei: yes, noticed also. However, as you mentioned, cannot join it with gajim nor with conversations | 17:30 |
| Wasp | send an email to the mailing-list registration address, let's see if they read it or if it is a bot-only | 17:31 |
| DonkeyHotei | https://lists.gajim.org/pipermail/gajim-devel/2018-October/001277.html | 17:31 |
| Wasp | yea, okay. However, doesn't work. ;) | 17:32 |
| Wasp | guy didn't even bother to put the xmpp address into the email :/ | 17:33 |
| xcm | what doesn't work when sending to the mailing list? | 18:03 |
| cybpun | hello i was registering at the forum and i give a wrong email address, someone can help me? | 18:23 |
| jonadab | Re-register and give a not-wrong email address? | 18:23 |
| cybpun | say it´s spam | 18:24 |
| cybpun | Unfortunately it looks like your request is spam. If you feel this is a mistake, please direct any inquiries to the forum administrator at IRC freenode #d1g-users | 18:25 |
| Wasp | cybpun: arn't you in the wrong channel though? | 18:26 |
| cybpun | i´m in the other one too | 18:26 |
| cybpun | both | 18:26 |
| Wasp | The message asks you to contact you the admins in #dlg-users | 18:27 |
| cybpun | there are no admin in the other one | 18:27 |
| Wasp | how you know? | 18:27 |
| Wasp | however, no clue :) | 18:28 |
| cybpun | no @ | 18:28 |
| cybpun | anyway someone knows how to install katoolin in devuan? | 18:28 |
| Wasp | did you just asked? | 18:28 |
| cybpun | yes | 18:28 |
| Wasp | -ed | 18:28 |
| cybpun | i already installed but when i add the kali repositories it says gpg: failed to start the dirmng... | 18:30 |
| cybpun | is a problem with the certificate | 18:31 |
| cybpun | ok now working | 18:33 |
| Wasp | DonkeyHotei: can I ask you where you are conneting from, since I'm in contact on the gajim mailing list and assuming it is a server to server issue because of "worksforme" | 19:40 |
| Wasp | +they | 19:41 |
| DonkeyHotei | from home | 19:51 |
| DonkeyHotei | using a GApps login | 19:51 |
| DonkeyHotei | should be the same as gmail | 19:52 |
| Wasp | DonkeyHotei: obviously I meant the country. ;) | 19:58 |
| DonkeyHotei | usa | 20:00 |
| Wasp | Didn't know that gmail still supports Jabber. I mean they also use XMPP but I think on proprietary servers encapsulated from the jabber servers | 20:01 |
| Wasp | thanks | 20:08 |
| phogg | Wasp: as far as I know gmail jabber still works only for people who had used it when it was officially supported. New accounts haven't for years. This is just what I hear. | 20:08 |
| DonkeyHotei | calls using jingle do not, though | 20:11 |
| greenjeans | hiya gang! | 23:20 |
| fsmithred | greenjeans!!!!! | 23:22 |
| fsmithred | hey man, how's it going? | 23:22 |
| greenjeans | Hey buddy! How's life? | 23:22 |
| fsmithred | pretty good. f'ing cold here, but the stove is hot. | 23:23 |
| greenjeans | same here man, 10 degrees with 30-40 mph winds, chill factor -15 | 23:23 |
| fsmithred | you win. (and I'm glad of it.) | 23:24 |
| greenjeans | thank goodness i'm still young enough to swing a splitting axe, fireplace is a necessity here | 23:24 |
| greenjeans | saw you put out a new refracta, gonna down it here in a sec | 23:25 |
| fsmithred | cool. I finally got the polkit issue solved. | 23:25 |
| greenjeans | front page of distrowatch right now! | 23:25 |
| greenjeans | polkit issue? | 23:26 |
| fsmithred | yes, I know. | 23:26 |
| fsmithred | yeah, synaptic and gparted would either not start or start without asking for password | 23:26 |
| technivore | Hello | 23:26 |
| fsmithred | turned out there were some live-config files hanging around | 23:26 |
| fsmithred | hi | 23:26 |
| greenjeans | okay i remember, yeah I worked around that, but was not a real solution, how'd you fix it? | 23:27 |
| technivore | you don't know how happy i m to be here | 23:27 |
| fsmithred | you sure we don't know? | 23:27 |
| technivore | i hate more and more debian | 23:27 |
| technivore | we can t go on their channel if we are not register | 23:28 |
| fsmithred | deleted the offending files and made sure p'kit-1-gnome was installed | 23:28 |
| fsmithred | from what I've heard, there's not really any reason to go to the debian channel | 23:28 |
| technivore | sooo usefull when your main computer won t boot | 23:28 |
| fsmithred | ...assuming you're going there to get help | 23:29 |
| technivore | i have one, i use debian testing | 23:29 |
| technivore | but i pretty sure you will help me | 23:29 |
| technivore | so let s start | 23:30 |
| fsmithred | ask. Worse that can happen is nobody gives you an answer | 23:30 |
| technivore | i just reboot after a kernel update and my computer won't boot | 23:30 |
| fsmithred | do you get a grub menu? | 23:31 |
| technivore | i only have the bios logo and after that a prompt like this _ blinking | 23:31 |
| technivore | no grub | 23:32 |
| fsmithred | I would try booting from a live-CD (or usb) to check it out. | 23:32 |
| technivore | i just do it | 23:33 |
| fsmithred | if it's due to the kernel, maybe try rolling back to the previous kernel | 23:33 |
| fsmithred | look in /var/cache/apt/archives/ for the linux-image package and whatever else came with it. | 23:33 |
| fsmithred | but it sounds more like a grub problem than a kernel problem | 23:34 |
| fsmithred | you using uefi or legacy bios? | 23:34 |
| technivore | how can i check it | 23:34 |
| technivore | ? | 23:34 |
| technivore | the bios is configure for old bios not uefi | 23:35 |
| fsmithred | if you're chrooted into the installed system, run: dpkg -l |grep grub | 23:35 |
| fsmithred | ok | 23:35 |
| fsmithred | so you should have grub-pc | 23:35 |
| golinux | greenjeans: Howdy!!!! | 23:35 |
| fsmithred | oh, you could boot the installation media and reinstall grub | 23:35 |
| technivore | i already try a grub-install ... | 23:36 |
| fsmithred | or in chroot you could run grub-install /dev/whatever and update-grub | 23:36 |
| greenjeans | Hi Golinux, was hoping you'd be on! | 23:36 |
| greenjeans | How are ya? | 23:36 |
| fsmithred | technivore, how many drives does the computer have? | 23:36 |
| technivore | 2 all encrypt with lvm | 23:37 |
| fsmithred | with or without separate partition for /boot? | 23:38 |
| technivore | with | 23:38 |
| golinux | greenjeans: Doing OK. | 23:38 |
| greenjeans | Good to hear, i'm freezing currently and missing Texas, lol | 23:38 |
| golinux | It's cold here too but nothing like you're experiencing. Was 80 last week | 23:39 |
| fsmithred | you can open the lvm and mount it? | 23:39 |
| golinux | I've been working on beowulf theming | 23:39 |
| technivore | on the first disk yes | 23:40 |
| fsmithred | and everything that belongs in /boot is there? | 23:40 |
| golinux | I think it ,matches miyo music! https://dev1galaxy.org/files/5C262A-5E272B-L.png | 23:40 |
| golinux | greenjeans: ^^^ | 23:40 |
| fsmithred | did you try booting from the other hard drive? | 23:40 |
| fsmithred | in case the order switched | 23:41 |
| technivore | my /boot is not on lvm the second drive only contain /home | 23:41 |
| technivore | grub | 23:42 |
| technivore | * grub-pc is install | 23:42 |
| fsmithred | yeah, that's the question - where is grub? | 23:42 |
| fsmithred | do you and the bios agree on which drive is the first drive? | 23:42 |
| greenjeans | wow, that's like very red | 23:43 |
| greenjeans | the FSR color combo? ;-) | 23:43 |
| fsmithred | I didn't come up with that color | 23:43 |
| fsmithred | it's nice to look at it on a cold day | 23:43 |
| technivore | let me check | 23:43 |
| golinux | No bloody beowulf red | 23:43 |
| fsmithred | I'm hoping for an ice theme for the summer | 23:44 |
| greenjeans | How about Grendel gray instead? | 23:44 |
| golinux | greenjeans: Doesn't systemd have you seeinf red? | 23:44 |
| golinux | Alliterative. Cute but no. | 23:44 |
| greenjeans | no, because I have no systemdumb on my system, lol | 23:45 |
| golinux | This one is called cinnabar https://dev1galaxy.org/files/Cinnabar.jpg | 23:45 |
| greenjeans | cinnabar, cool color, but seems a bit much... | 23:45 |
| golinux | Just the thought of systemd increases my "redness" | 23:46 |
| greenjeans | but you know me, i'm pretty boring and monochromatic | 23:46 |
| golinux | I really am liking it on my desktop and red is about my least favotite color | 23:46 |
| golinux | cinnabar is pretty monochromatic | 23:47 |
| greenjeans | Is there an upcoming Devuan to be based on another LTS kernel? | 23:47 |
| golinux | Isn't jessie already in LTS? | 23:48 |
| fsmithred | yeah, and jessie ends in 2020 | 23:48 |
| greenjeans | oh yeah it is, that's why I used it for Vuu-do, | 23:48 |
| greenjeans | yep, so by first of next year I need to roll a new one | 23:49 |
| fsmithred | beowulf will be out by then | 23:49 |
| golinux | stretch is still stable and buster is a ways off | 23:49 |
| greenjeans | was wondering if any of the new releases will also be LTS | 23:49 |
| ezcape | strech still got cryptsetup 1.7.x | 23:50 |
| ezcape | thats sad | 23:50 |
| golinux | Doesn't old stable turn into LTS? | 23:50 |
| fsmithred | 2022 for stretch (ascii) https://www.freexian.com/services/debian-lts.html | 23:51 |
| golinux | fsmithred: Maybe you should send current refracta screenies to distrowatch. | 23:53 |
| golinux | I hoe you used the dark purpy ones on the iso. | 23:53 |
| golinux | hope | 23:53 |
| fsmithred | yeah, they have old screenshots | 23:54 |
| golinux | Those are looking pretty tired. | 23:54 |
| fsmithred | ezcape, debian stretch versions are a couple years old now | 23:55 |
| fsmithred | and won't change. That's just the way it works. | 23:55 |
| ezcape | fsmithred: really? That's shocking | 23:57 |
| greenjeans | hmmm, I guess 2022 will do....but man, gonna take a while, I got a whole lotta bad GTK3 juju to go through and fix to make an ascii version, that's why I put it off | 23:58 |
| fsmithred | still running jessie on my main machine | 23:59 |
| fsmithred | got an ascii with openbox on one laptop, and that does what I need | 23:59 |
| greenjeans | i'm running it on all my machines | 23:59 |
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