libera/#devuan/ Monday, 2019-02-25

smkhey any versions currently utilizing kernel 3.18?03:24
gnarfacemaybe oldstable (jessie)03:25
golinuxNot jessie - 3.1603:26
gnarfaceoh, close though!03:26
golinuxascii03:26
smkwhy was it phased out so quickly?03:26
golinuxLOL!03:26
smk3.16 stuck around forever it seems03:26
gnarfacesmk: hardware vendors started dumping money into the kernel in earnest around then, so it went from 3.16 to 4.20 in near record time03:26
golinuxSeems I remember folks having issues with 3.18*03:27
gnarface4.9 is pretty good though honestly03:27
* man_in_shack records gnarface's time03:28
smkpfft, why couldent linus just a insult his funders like de raadt03:28
smkactually he probably did..03:29
gnarfacehe definitely did, and a lot.  that's why they're so mad at him03:29
smkok i'll check out ascii thanks03:29
phoggsmk: 3.16 is one of the versions people decided to support for the long term. So-called "LTS" releases. I believe 4.19 is another.03:29
smkya somehow linus gets away with a lot it seems.. or thats what the old news portrayal has been03:30
smkya i'm messing with rocm and upstream should work with 3.19 but its probably easier to find a 3.18 kernel where its officially supported03:31
smkplus I use fluxbox as my gui so avoiding the monolithic architecture makes sense.. I should have stuck with this fork long ago03:31
smki'll check out ascii03:31
smkcheers03:32
straube_hi all, anyone have confience with this problem: modprobe: ERROR: could not insert 'bridge': Unknown symbol in module, or unknown parameter (see dmesg)11:23
gnarfacedid you specify a module parameter?11:24
gnarfacedid you check to see what dmesg says about it?11:24
straube_dmesg don't say anything..11:26
straube_where I can set a parameter? (thanks in advance)11:26
gnarfaceon the command-line, or in a file in /etc/modprobe.d/11:26
gnarfacenormally i wouldn't expect this error unless you had specified an invalid parameter or value, or the "bridge" module you are trying to load doesn't match the kernel you're running11:27
gnarfaceit could be a real bug though.  are you fully updated?11:28
straube_Yes full. 4.9.0.8. How I can verify if the module is right for this kernel? And also, do you have a link where I can see different parameter that I can choose during activation?11:30
gnarfacewell if the module came with your install and you didn't get anything from any 3rd party repos or build a custom kernel or anything like that, it should match the kernel11:34
debdogmodinfo bridge11:34
gnarfaceyes, you can see available options with /sbin/modinfo [modulename] but bridge doesn't seem to have any now that i'm looking at it...11:35
straube_filename:       /lib/modules/4.9.0-8-amd64/kernel/net/bridge/bridge.ko11:35
straube_alias:          rtnl-link-bridge11:35
straube_version:        2.311:35
straube_license:        GPL11:35
straube_srcversion:     010E6C7311B8862BB3B2AD011:35
straube_depends:        stp,llc11:35
straube_retpoline:      Y11:35
straube_intree:         Y11:35
straube_vermagic:       4.9.0-8-amd64 SMP mod_unload modversions11:35
gnarfaceplease don't do that, we all can see it here11:35
straube_sorry11:35
gnarfacethere's no parameters, so maybe your bridge configuration is the problem?11:35
straube_well, I didn't have problem before this week, the only configuration was the one that lxc-net do... but now I can't add bridge with brctl, when I try to do brctl addbr lxcbr0 this is the answer11:37
straube_add bridge failed: Package not installed11:37
gnarfacea brief google search suggests that some other module might be missing, like the ipv6 one perhaps...11:37
gnarfacecould you have changed something in your config that changed which modules auto-load?11:38
gnarfacemaybe you can just add them to /etc/modules to make them load again every boot if you can figure out which ones are all missing11:38
straube_I can try. I can put this path /lib/modules/4.9.0-8-amd64/kernel/net/bridge/bridge.ko in /etc/modules ?11:40
gnarfaceno you don't need the whole path11:40
gnarfaceyou don't even need the .ko extension11:40
straube_so just bridge11:40
gnarface you might need to add more modules than just bridge11:40
gnarfaceyou said you installed bridge-utils right?11:41
straube_sure11:41
gnarfaceit's not a virtual machine, right?11:42
straube_not, is my laptop11:42
gnarfacei think it's probably another missing module11:43
gnarfacethere's at least one other module that you need to load before bridge11:43
straube_how I can detect?11:43
gnarfacei'm not sure.11:43
gnarfacemaybe the wifi module11:44
gnarfacemaybe ipv611:44
gnarfacemaybe even missing firmware for all i know11:44
gnarfacebut regular networking works?11:45
gnarfacei would think dmesg might tell you something right after it fails to load11:45
straube_yes work, but problem appear in same moment that I have wifi problem.11:46
gnarfacehmmm11:46
straube_now I solved problem with wifi.. but not with bridge11:46
gnarfaceany idea what caused the wifi problem?11:47
straube_no, was after an upgrade. I solved installing wicd11:47
gnarfacehmmm11:47
gnarfacei wonder if wicd or wpa_supplicant or one of the other dependencies of wicd is somehow interfering with the brige11:48
gnarface*bridge11:48
straube_I can try to remove...11:48
straube_If I purge wicd, I have problem after reboot. I usually use ifdown ifup...but without wicd ifup is not able to take the wifi network11:50
gnarfacehmmm, this seems like it's gonna be complicated11:53
gnarfacei am not sure if wicd can even handle bridges11:53
straube_I guess too... I spent two days before arrive here...11:54
straube_:)11:54
gnarfacei wonder what changed with that update to break your wifi11:54
gnarfacehave you checked the forums to see if anyone else has mentioned this issue?11:54
straube_In the forum I look for bridge problem not wifi11:55
straube_maybe some 3rd non free part?11:55
straube_my laptop is a lenovo so I need some non - free for wifi11:55
gnarfaceit might be something simple, like wicd starts wpa_supplicant, so without wicd, you have to start wpa_supplicant yourself?11:56
straube_I dind't try this way11:56
straube_I just installed wicd11:56
gnarfaceyou did install the non-free packages your wifi needs, right?11:58
straube_yes sure11:59
gnarfacei don't know what's wrong, there might be a way to figure out how to make wicd play nice with your bridge but i suspect the easier way would be to figure out what changed or got uninstalled that wicd reinstalled or put back12:02
gnarfacethen you can make it work the way it used to12:03
straube_I will try, thanks...I have three machine and the two where I have problem are with non -free component for network device12:06
gnarfacethat might be a clue12:07
gnarface(also i've noticed that pattern with non-free stuff as well in general)12:07
straube_argh!12:08
gnarfaceare they using the same network driver, those two machines?12:09
gnarfacesame firmware and wifi modules?12:09
gnarfaceundoubtedly suspicious12:09
straube_unfrotunaly not12:10
straube_unfortunatly12:10
straubethis can give some indication?  Starting LXC network bridge: :RTNETLINK answers: Operation not supported13:11
gnarfaceoh, it could13:14
gnarfacei think13:14
gnarfacesomething to do with polkit/elogind13:14
gnarfaceor permissions13:14
gnarfacei wonder if an update messed it up13:15
gnarfaceare you on ascii?13:15
straubeyes on ascii13:37
straubewhat I can try?13:44
straubeor see?13:44
gnarfaceyou're using a graphical login manager, right?13:48
gnarfacecheck the release notes for whether it needs polkit or elogind i guess13:49
gnarfacemake sure you have the right one, and not both13:49
straubeyes lightdm13:50
straubelightdm 1.18.314:05
straubesame problem with modprobe 8021q - - -> modprobe: ERROR: could not insert '8021q': Unknown symbol in module, or unknown parameter15:03
gnarfacerun lsmod before and after wicd starts15:12
gnarfacesee what is missing before hand15:12
straubesame...15:15
gnarfacehmmm15:16
gnarfacestrange15:16
straubenow I put bridge in /etc/modules and dmesg after reboot give this line llc: Unknown symbol pskb_trim_rcsum_slow (err 0)15:26
buZzstraube: where did you get that module?16:01
straubeI think that came with bridge utils, no?16:02
buZzcause that error is supposed to be telling you , that the kernel you are running does not match the kernel the module was built against16:03
KatolaZstraube: are you using a custom kernel?16:03
straubeyes16:03
buZzthere you go :)16:03
buZzyou'll need to either rebuild just that module, or the entire kernel16:04
KatolaZstraube: depmod -ea16:04
straubehow I can rebuild?16:04
buZzgrab source, read documentation?16:04
KatolaZit should give you a hint about which modules hae unresolved symbols, and why16:04
buZzprobably under 'how to build' :D16:04
buZzKatolaZ: ah yez, depmod16:04
KatolaZstraube: why do you nedd a custom kernel at all?16:04
KatolaZ~need16:04
KatolaZstraube: did you compile the custom kernel or got the conf from somwehere?16:07
KatolaZ~somewhere16:07
straubesorry guys, I am a little new... My kernel is the kernel that came with installation of devuan ascii..My module, lxc, bridge, worked since a week ago...16:21
KatolaZstraube: what have you changed then?16:22
KatolaZstraube: you shouldn't need to fiddle with the kernel16:22
straubeI know, happen after an upgrade16:23
KatolaZdid you upgrade the kernel?16:24
fluffywolfis there any danger to installing a newer debhelper on ascii?  I notice a dh-systemd.deb got built when I built it, which is worrysome.19:15
fluffywolfin dependency hell trying to build debian's newer smartmontools, might give up and build it from upstream and not package it...19:17
fluffywolfis there an easy way to make apt-get -b source ignore build deps and try anyway?19:22
fluffywolfI don't see an obviously -ignore-build-deps option...19:23
fluffywolfah, I can dpkg-buildpkg manually with -d....19:25
fluffywolfand it fails because I don't have systemd.19:26
fluffywolfmake: dh_installsystemd: Command not found19:26
fluffywolfsigh...19:26
fluffywolffuck it, building from upstream19:27
DonkeyHotei[Mon 2019-02-25 10:26:24 AM PST] <fluffywolf> and it fails because I don't have systemd. <-------- wut19:31
KatolaZfurrywolf: what are you worried about?19:31
fluffywolfbreaking things.  :)19:32
KatolaZdh-systemd works only if there are systemd-related triggers and files to move around19:32
fluffywolfis this something devuan has de-systemd-ed?  why does building smartmontools need to dh_installsystemd, and why is this not present on my ascii?  etc19:33
KatolaZfurrywolf: dh is only needed when you actually build a package19:33
KatolaZfurrywolf: smartmontools has no dep on any systemd-related stuff19:35
KatolaZat all19:35
fluffywolfthe sid smartmontools has a build-dep for sid's debhelper, which seems to have lots of build-deps that end up with systemd stuff somewhere.19:36
fluffywolfI'm just building the upstream tarball now instead of fussing with the debian packaged version.19:36
KatolaZfurrywolf: again, the dh_systemd thing has nothing to do with systemd :\19:36
KatolaZit is used by debhelper for those packages which provide systemd units19:36
KatolaZ:\19:37
fluffywolfI gave up trying to figure out how much of sid I'd need to install after three levels of dependencies.  :)19:37
fluffywolfit may be hard to backport sid's smartmontools to ascii.  heh.19:37
KatolaZfurrywolf: why don't you just build on pbuilder?19:37
fluffywolfwell, for starters, I have no idea what that is...19:37
KatolaZok19:37
KatolaZsorry19:37
KatolaZit's a way to build packages that does not involve actually installing stuff on your running system19:38
KatolaZyou use a chroot19:38
fluffywolfsigh, and the upsteam smartmontools, which claims to have added support for my drive, properly detects the drive and then fails with unsupported anyway!19:38
fluffywolfbah, googling says it doesn't work with kernels >=4.14....19:42
fluffywolfneed to use usb quirks on the command line for >4.14.  bleh.19:52
frankoHello everyone!19:54
frankoI am interested in experiences with hdmi support in Devuan with XFCE... How well does it go?19:55
frankoand, yes.. I am using beowulf, ATM, so info on that one would be most valuable, but any info will be appreciated. :-)19:57
fluffywolfI'm not sure what the window manager would have to do with hdmi support, as opposed to the video driver...19:59
frankooh, OK, it Intel..19:59
frankoforgot about that19:59
frankoXD20:00
KatolaZfranko: the WM is not at all relevant20:00
KatolaZyou just need a way to configure the output20:00
KatolaZwhich might be as easy as launching `arandr`20:00
frankoIt's not window manager I was really pointing at, but the screens and sound management of the DE...20:01
frankodisplays and sounds*20:03
franko[not a native english speaker]20:03
KatolaZfranko: I don't know about sound, and I don't know about screens20:04
KatolaZI know that I can project my screen over hdmi on beowulf20:05
KatolaZmine is a lenovo laptop20:05
KatolaZwith an intel video card20:05
KatolaZand it just works20:05
KatolaZbut I don't have xfce20:05
frankoOK, that sounds encouraging20:06
frankoI might need it tomorrow, but I have no means of testing it ATM... XD20:06
frankoyou haven't tested sound?20:07
frankothrough hdmi20:07
KatolaZmy mixer is mostly on mute anyway, franko :P20:08
franko...which is totally NOT my case... I am using sound through all the means I have... XD20:09
frankoIt's just that I do not have a TV, or any other HDMI capable device at home, except for my laptop, of course, so I haven't tested that on Devuan, yet.20:10
KatolaZfranko: does it work on any other distribution with a comparable kernel?20:11
frankoyeah, in Ubuntu it just worked, last time I used it20:12
KatolaZfranko: which model is your laptop?20:13
frankoIt's an old Toshiba Satellite C50-B-15N20:14
frankowell, when you told me the visual part just works for you with beowulf and intel, I started to feel somewhat optimistic20:15
frankoit means hdmi basically works, and then, we have pulseaudio, which should handle sound, just as Ubuntu has. So I am expecting it to work... but you never know... XD20:17
KatolaZfranko: https://www.linux-on-laptops.com/toshiba.html20:17
KatolaZyour model is not on linux-on-laptops but this does not mean much20:18
KatolaZmine is not there either20:18
frankotrue20:20
KatolaZfranko: do you see your device when you run `aplay -l` ?20:20
furrywolfmine's not on there either.  conclusion:  not very useful.  :)20:20
KatolaZfranko: https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/390907/sound-via-hdmi-on-arch-linux <- this might be relevant20:20
furrywolfbbl, work20:20
frankoKatolaz: yes, I see it with aplay20:21
frankoKatolaZ20:21
frankoyeah, I think it should work... I know how to use pavucontrol and all that... :-D20:24
frankoWhat I was most concerned about was if hdmi support was not related to systemd or something...20:25

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