smk | hey any versions currently utilizing kernel 3.18? | 03:24 |
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gnarface | maybe oldstable (jessie) | 03:25 |
golinux | Not jessie - 3.16 | 03:26 |
gnarface | oh, close though! | 03:26 |
golinux | ascii | 03:26 |
smk | why was it phased out so quickly? | 03:26 |
golinux | LOL! | 03:26 |
smk | 3.16 stuck around forever it seems | 03:26 |
gnarface | smk: hardware vendors started dumping money into the kernel in earnest around then, so it went from 3.16 to 4.20 in near record time | 03:26 |
golinux | Seems I remember folks having issues with 3.18* | 03:27 |
gnarface | 4.9 is pretty good though honestly | 03:27 |
* man_in_shack records gnarface's time | 03:28 | |
smk | pfft, why couldent linus just a insult his funders like de raadt | 03:28 |
smk | actually he probably did.. | 03:29 |
gnarface | he definitely did, and a lot. that's why they're so mad at him | 03:29 |
smk | ok i'll check out ascii thanks | 03:29 |
phogg | smk: 3.16 is one of the versions people decided to support for the long term. So-called "LTS" releases. I believe 4.19 is another. | 03:29 |
smk | ya somehow linus gets away with a lot it seems.. or thats what the old news portrayal has been | 03:30 |
smk | ya i'm messing with rocm and upstream should work with 3.19 but its probably easier to find a 3.18 kernel where its officially supported | 03:31 |
smk | plus I use fluxbox as my gui so avoiding the monolithic architecture makes sense.. I should have stuck with this fork long ago | 03:31 |
smk | i'll check out ascii | 03:31 |
smk | cheers | 03:32 |
straube_ | hi all, anyone have confience with this problem: modprobe: ERROR: could not insert 'bridge': Unknown symbol in module, or unknown parameter (see dmesg) | 11:23 |
gnarface | did you specify a module parameter? | 11:24 |
gnarface | did you check to see what dmesg says about it? | 11:24 |
straube_ | dmesg don't say anything.. | 11:26 |
straube_ | where I can set a parameter? (thanks in advance) | 11:26 |
gnarface | on the command-line, or in a file in /etc/modprobe.d/ | 11:26 |
gnarface | normally i wouldn't expect this error unless you had specified an invalid parameter or value, or the "bridge" module you are trying to load doesn't match the kernel you're running | 11:27 |
gnarface | it could be a real bug though. are you fully updated? | 11:28 |
straube_ | Yes full. 4.9.0.8. How I can verify if the module is right for this kernel? And also, do you have a link where I can see different parameter that I can choose during activation? | 11:30 |
gnarface | well if the module came with your install and you didn't get anything from any 3rd party repos or build a custom kernel or anything like that, it should match the kernel | 11:34 |
debdog | modinfo bridge | 11:34 |
gnarface | yes, you can see available options with /sbin/modinfo [modulename] but bridge doesn't seem to have any now that i'm looking at it... | 11:35 |
straube_ | filename: /lib/modules/4.9.0-8-amd64/kernel/net/bridge/bridge.ko | 11:35 |
straube_ | alias: rtnl-link-bridge | 11:35 |
straube_ | version: 2.3 | 11:35 |
straube_ | license: GPL | 11:35 |
straube_ | srcversion: 010E6C7311B8862BB3B2AD0 | 11:35 |
straube_ | depends: stp,llc | 11:35 |
straube_ | retpoline: Y | 11:35 |
straube_ | intree: Y | 11:35 |
straube_ | vermagic: 4.9.0-8-amd64 SMP mod_unload modversions | 11:35 |
gnarface | please don't do that, we all can see it here | 11:35 |
straube_ | sorry | 11:35 |
gnarface | there's no parameters, so maybe your bridge configuration is the problem? | 11:35 |
straube_ | well, I didn't have problem before this week, the only configuration was the one that lxc-net do... but now I can't add bridge with brctl, when I try to do brctl addbr lxcbr0 this is the answer | 11:37 |
straube_ | add bridge failed: Package not installed | 11:37 |
gnarface | a brief google search suggests that some other module might be missing, like the ipv6 one perhaps... | 11:37 |
gnarface | could you have changed something in your config that changed which modules auto-load? | 11:38 |
gnarface | maybe you can just add them to /etc/modules to make them load again every boot if you can figure out which ones are all missing | 11:38 |
straube_ | I can try. I can put this path /lib/modules/4.9.0-8-amd64/kernel/net/bridge/bridge.ko in /etc/modules ? | 11:40 |
gnarface | no you don't need the whole path | 11:40 |
gnarface | you don't even need the .ko extension | 11:40 |
straube_ | so just bridge | 11:40 |
gnarface | you might need to add more modules than just bridge | 11:40 |
gnarface | you said you installed bridge-utils right? | 11:41 |
straube_ | sure | 11:41 |
gnarface | it's not a virtual machine, right? | 11:42 |
straube_ | not, is my laptop | 11:42 |
gnarface | i think it's probably another missing module | 11:43 |
gnarface | there's at least one other module that you need to load before bridge | 11:43 |
straube_ | how I can detect? | 11:43 |
gnarface | i'm not sure. | 11:43 |
gnarface | maybe the wifi module | 11:44 |
gnarface | maybe ipv6 | 11:44 |
gnarface | maybe even missing firmware for all i know | 11:44 |
gnarface | but regular networking works? | 11:45 |
gnarface | i would think dmesg might tell you something right after it fails to load | 11:45 |
straube_ | yes work, but problem appear in same moment that I have wifi problem. | 11:46 |
gnarface | hmmm | 11:46 |
straube_ | now I solved problem with wifi.. but not with bridge | 11:46 |
gnarface | any idea what caused the wifi problem? | 11:47 |
straube_ | no, was after an upgrade. I solved installing wicd | 11:47 |
gnarface | hmmm | 11:47 |
gnarface | i wonder if wicd or wpa_supplicant or one of the other dependencies of wicd is somehow interfering with the brige | 11:48 |
gnarface | *bridge | 11:48 |
straube_ | I can try to remove... | 11:48 |
straube_ | If I purge wicd, I have problem after reboot. I usually use ifdown ifup...but without wicd ifup is not able to take the wifi network | 11:50 |
gnarface | hmmm, this seems like it's gonna be complicated | 11:53 |
gnarface | i am not sure if wicd can even handle bridges | 11:53 |
straube_ | I guess too... I spent two days before arrive here... | 11:54 |
straube_ | :) | 11:54 |
gnarface | i wonder what changed with that update to break your wifi | 11:54 |
gnarface | have you checked the forums to see if anyone else has mentioned this issue? | 11:54 |
straube_ | In the forum I look for bridge problem not wifi | 11:55 |
straube_ | maybe some 3rd non free part? | 11:55 |
straube_ | my laptop is a lenovo so I need some non - free for wifi | 11:55 |
gnarface | it might be something simple, like wicd starts wpa_supplicant, so without wicd, you have to start wpa_supplicant yourself? | 11:56 |
straube_ | I dind't try this way | 11:56 |
straube_ | I just installed wicd | 11:56 |
gnarface | you did install the non-free packages your wifi needs, right? | 11:58 |
straube_ | yes sure | 11:59 |
gnarface | i don't know what's wrong, there might be a way to figure out how to make wicd play nice with your bridge but i suspect the easier way would be to figure out what changed or got uninstalled that wicd reinstalled or put back | 12:02 |
gnarface | then you can make it work the way it used to | 12:03 |
straube_ | I will try, thanks...I have three machine and the two where I have problem are with non -free component for network device | 12:06 |
gnarface | that might be a clue | 12:07 |
gnarface | (also i've noticed that pattern with non-free stuff as well in general) | 12:07 |
straube_ | argh! | 12:08 |
gnarface | are they using the same network driver, those two machines? | 12:09 |
gnarface | same firmware and wifi modules? | 12:09 |
gnarface | undoubtedly suspicious | 12:09 |
straube_ | unfrotunaly not | 12:10 |
straube_ | unfortunatly | 12:10 |
straube | this can give some indication? Starting LXC network bridge: :RTNETLINK answers: Operation not supported | 13:11 |
gnarface | oh, it could | 13:14 |
gnarface | i think | 13:14 |
gnarface | something to do with polkit/elogind | 13:14 |
gnarface | or permissions | 13:14 |
gnarface | i wonder if an update messed it up | 13:15 |
gnarface | are you on ascii? | 13:15 |
straube | yes on ascii | 13:37 |
straube | what I can try? | 13:44 |
straube | or see? | 13:44 |
gnarface | you're using a graphical login manager, right? | 13:48 |
gnarface | check the release notes for whether it needs polkit or elogind i guess | 13:49 |
gnarface | make sure you have the right one, and not both | 13:49 |
straube | yes lightdm | 13:50 |
straube | lightdm 1.18.3 | 14:05 |
straube | same problem with modprobe 8021q - - -> modprobe: ERROR: could not insert '8021q': Unknown symbol in module, or unknown parameter | 15:03 |
gnarface | run lsmod before and after wicd starts | 15:12 |
gnarface | see what is missing before hand | 15:12 |
straube | same... | 15:15 |
gnarface | hmmm | 15:16 |
gnarface | strange | 15:16 |
straube | now I put bridge in /etc/modules and dmesg after reboot give this line llc: Unknown symbol pskb_trim_rcsum_slow (err 0) | 15:26 |
buZz | straube: where did you get that module? | 16:01 |
straube | I think that came with bridge utils, no? | 16:02 |
buZz | cause that error is supposed to be telling you , that the kernel you are running does not match the kernel the module was built against | 16:03 |
KatolaZ | straube: are you using a custom kernel? | 16:03 |
straube | yes | 16:03 |
buZz | there you go :) | 16:03 |
buZz | you'll need to either rebuild just that module, or the entire kernel | 16:04 |
KatolaZ | straube: depmod -ea | 16:04 |
straube | how I can rebuild? | 16:04 |
buZz | grab source, read documentation? | 16:04 |
KatolaZ | it should give you a hint about which modules hae unresolved symbols, and why | 16:04 |
buZz | probably under 'how to build' :D | 16:04 |
buZz | KatolaZ: ah yez, depmod | 16:04 |
KatolaZ | straube: why do you nedd a custom kernel at all? | 16:04 |
KatolaZ | ~need | 16:04 |
KatolaZ | straube: did you compile the custom kernel or got the conf from somwehere? | 16:07 |
KatolaZ | ~somewhere | 16:07 |
straube | sorry guys, I am a little new... My kernel is the kernel that came with installation of devuan ascii..My module, lxc, bridge, worked since a week ago... | 16:21 |
KatolaZ | straube: what have you changed then? | 16:22 |
KatolaZ | straube: you shouldn't need to fiddle with the kernel | 16:22 |
straube | I know, happen after an upgrade | 16:23 |
KatolaZ | did you upgrade the kernel? | 16:24 |
fluffywolf | is there any danger to installing a newer debhelper on ascii? I notice a dh-systemd.deb got built when I built it, which is worrysome. | 19:15 |
fluffywolf | in dependency hell trying to build debian's newer smartmontools, might give up and build it from upstream and not package it... | 19:17 |
fluffywolf | is there an easy way to make apt-get -b source ignore build deps and try anyway? | 19:22 |
fluffywolf | I don't see an obviously -ignore-build-deps option... | 19:23 |
fluffywolf | ah, I can dpkg-buildpkg manually with -d.... | 19:25 |
fluffywolf | and it fails because I don't have systemd. | 19:26 |
fluffywolf | make: dh_installsystemd: Command not found | 19:26 |
fluffywolf | sigh... | 19:26 |
fluffywolf | fuck it, building from upstream | 19:27 |
DonkeyHotei | [Mon 2019-02-25 10:26:24 AM PST] <fluffywolf> and it fails because I don't have systemd. <-------- wut | 19:31 |
KatolaZ | furrywolf: what are you worried about? | 19:31 |
fluffywolf | breaking things. :) | 19:32 |
KatolaZ | dh-systemd works only if there are systemd-related triggers and files to move around | 19:32 |
fluffywolf | is this something devuan has de-systemd-ed? why does building smartmontools need to dh_installsystemd, and why is this not present on my ascii? etc | 19:33 |
KatolaZ | furrywolf: dh is only needed when you actually build a package | 19:33 |
KatolaZ | furrywolf: smartmontools has no dep on any systemd-related stuff | 19:35 |
KatolaZ | at all | 19:35 |
fluffywolf | the sid smartmontools has a build-dep for sid's debhelper, which seems to have lots of build-deps that end up with systemd stuff somewhere. | 19:36 |
fluffywolf | I'm just building the upstream tarball now instead of fussing with the debian packaged version. | 19:36 |
KatolaZ | furrywolf: again, the dh_systemd thing has nothing to do with systemd :\ | 19:36 |
KatolaZ | it is used by debhelper for those packages which provide systemd units | 19:36 |
KatolaZ | :\ | 19:37 |
fluffywolf | I gave up trying to figure out how much of sid I'd need to install after three levels of dependencies. :) | 19:37 |
fluffywolf | it may be hard to backport sid's smartmontools to ascii. heh. | 19:37 |
KatolaZ | furrywolf: why don't you just build on pbuilder? | 19:37 |
fluffywolf | well, for starters, I have no idea what that is... | 19:37 |
KatolaZ | ok | 19:37 |
KatolaZ | sorry | 19:37 |
KatolaZ | it's a way to build packages that does not involve actually installing stuff on your running system | 19:38 |
KatolaZ | you use a chroot | 19:38 |
fluffywolf | sigh, and the upsteam smartmontools, which claims to have added support for my drive, properly detects the drive and then fails with unsupported anyway! | 19:38 |
fluffywolf | bah, googling says it doesn't work with kernels >=4.14.... | 19:42 |
fluffywolf | need to use usb quirks on the command line for >4.14. bleh. | 19:52 |
franko | Hello everyone! | 19:54 |
franko | I am interested in experiences with hdmi support in Devuan with XFCE... How well does it go? | 19:55 |
franko | and, yes.. I am using beowulf, ATM, so info on that one would be most valuable, but any info will be appreciated. :-) | 19:57 |
fluffywolf | I'm not sure what the window manager would have to do with hdmi support, as opposed to the video driver... | 19:59 |
franko | oh, OK, it Intel.. | 19:59 |
franko | forgot about that | 19:59 |
franko | XD | 20:00 |
KatolaZ | franko: the WM is not at all relevant | 20:00 |
KatolaZ | you just need a way to configure the output | 20:00 |
KatolaZ | which might be as easy as launching `arandr` | 20:00 |
franko | It's not window manager I was really pointing at, but the screens and sound management of the DE... | 20:01 |
franko | displays and sounds* | 20:03 |
franko | [not a native english speaker] | 20:03 |
KatolaZ | franko: I don't know about sound, and I don't know about screens | 20:04 |
KatolaZ | I know that I can project my screen over hdmi on beowulf | 20:05 |
KatolaZ | mine is a lenovo laptop | 20:05 |
KatolaZ | with an intel video card | 20:05 |
KatolaZ | and it just works | 20:05 |
KatolaZ | but I don't have xfce | 20:05 |
franko | OK, that sounds encouraging | 20:06 |
franko | I might need it tomorrow, but I have no means of testing it ATM... XD | 20:06 |
franko | you haven't tested sound? | 20:07 |
franko | through hdmi | 20:07 |
KatolaZ | my mixer is mostly on mute anyway, franko :P | 20:08 |
franko | ...which is totally NOT my case... I am using sound through all the means I have... XD | 20:09 |
franko | It's just that I do not have a TV, or any other HDMI capable device at home, except for my laptop, of course, so I haven't tested that on Devuan, yet. | 20:10 |
KatolaZ | franko: does it work on any other distribution with a comparable kernel? | 20:11 |
franko | yeah, in Ubuntu it just worked, last time I used it | 20:12 |
KatolaZ | franko: which model is your laptop? | 20:13 |
franko | It's an old Toshiba Satellite C50-B-15N | 20:14 |
franko | well, when you told me the visual part just works for you with beowulf and intel, I started to feel somewhat optimistic | 20:15 |
franko | it means hdmi basically works, and then, we have pulseaudio, which should handle sound, just as Ubuntu has. So I am expecting it to work... but you never know... XD | 20:17 |
KatolaZ | franko: https://www.linux-on-laptops.com/toshiba.html | 20:17 |
KatolaZ | your model is not on linux-on-laptops but this does not mean much | 20:18 |
KatolaZ | mine is not there either | 20:18 |
franko | true | 20:20 |
KatolaZ | franko: do you see your device when you run `aplay -l` ? | 20:20 |
furrywolf | mine's not on there either. conclusion: not very useful. :) | 20:20 |
KatolaZ | franko: https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/390907/sound-via-hdmi-on-arch-linux <- this might be relevant | 20:20 |
furrywolf | bbl, work | 20:20 |
franko | Katolaz: yes, I see it with aplay | 20:21 |
franko | KatolaZ | 20:21 |
franko | yeah, I think it should work... I know how to use pavucontrol and all that... :-D | 20:24 |
franko | What I was most concerned about was if hdmi support was not related to systemd or something... | 20:25 |
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