ericnoan | yeah just try and learn and you will get it soon | 00:00 |
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system32 | that is fine. i will read it. thanks guys. | 00:00 |
KatolaZ | yw | 00:00 |
KatolaZ | and sorry if I sounded harsh somehow | 00:00 |
KatolaZ | :\ | 00:00 |
system32 | also you made my work easier. by finding a good howto | 00:00 |
KatolaZ | you mentioned you wanted to learn, and learning requires some effort | 00:01 |
KatolaZ | (luckily, or unfortunately, depending on the point of view :P) | 00:01 |
system32 | i have learnt a ton this year. last year i didnt know what is linux ! but now i have my own server | 00:01 |
KatolaZ | system32: learning never ends | 00:02 |
KatolaZ | :) | 00:02 |
KatolaZ | I have used unix systems for a bit more than one year and I still learn a lot of things every day :P | 00:02 |
djph | like? | 00:29 |
* Xenguy is gettings errors from both 'pkgmaster' and 'deb' mirrors when doing 'apt-get update' ... | 00:47 | |
Xenguy | .oO( Known issue? ) | 00:47 |
KatolaZ | Xenguy: which error? | 00:52 |
Xenguy | https://paste.debian.net/plainh/a572f325 | 00:52 |
Xenguy | stable | 00:52 |
KatolaZ | Xenguy: apt-get update please | 00:53 |
KatolaZ | before apt-get upgrade | 00:53 |
Xenguy | (The pkgmaster errors are markely more verbose) | 00:53 |
KatolaZ | please post them | 00:53 |
Xenguy | KatolaZ: Did so, but will try again now | 00:53 |
KatolaZ | Xenguy: the one oyu sent is aboud deb.devuan.org | 00:54 |
KatolaZ | (all the mirrors look in order) | 00:54 |
Xenguy | Yes, deb gives errors, and so does pkgmaster; the latter gives more (I will paste them shortly since you expressed interest) | 00:55 |
KatolaZ | thanks Xenguy | 00:55 |
KatolaZ | please paste them | 00:55 |
Xenguy | apt-get update gives no errors; now I will upgrade | 00:57 |
Xenguy | KatolaZ: Strange, pkgmaster performed like a champ this time: no errors... | 01:00 |
Xenguy | I'll see if the previous errors are still in the (screen) buffer, sec... | 01:00 |
KatolaZ | Xenguy: you need to apt-get update before apt-get upgrade | 01:01 |
KatolaZ | (sorry to state the obvious) | 01:01 |
Xenguy | That's the 2nd time you've mentioned that now, and I'm not sure why. I always update before uprgrading. What gives you the impression that I didn't? | 01:03 |
Xenguy | Actually I think I tried both 'deb' and 'pkgmaster' a couple of times before mentioning it on IRC... | 01:04 |
Xenguy | Anyhow, it worked, so w/e was going on at my end is now past tense. | 01:04 |
KatolaZ | ok | 01:04 |
Xenguy | Thanks for you help | 01:04 |
KatolaZ | sorry for that Xenguy | 01:04 |
Xenguy | Not at all | 01:05 |
KatolaZ | and sorry for stating the obvious about apt-get update | 01:05 |
Xenguy | hah, np | 01:05 |
KatolaZ | :\ | 01:05 |
KatolaZ | I tried the same and did not see any error (on 6 different servers around the globe) | 01:05 |
KatolaZ | neither on deb nor on pkgmaster | 01:05 |
KatolaZ | that's why it looked strange | 01:06 |
KatolaZ | also, there have not been any error on the mirrors lately | 01:06 |
KatolaZ | anyway, glad to know that it works now :) | 01:06 |
Xenguy | I could do it in my sleep (been running Debian'ish since 1999) ... | 01:06 |
Xenguy | Well although I couldn't salvage the pkgmaster errors, the deb errors are in that paste, so something was going on, but I suppose I'll just chock it up to network anomolies, or something ; -) | 01:07 |
KatolaZ | Xenguy: maybe just a glitch due to the deb.DEBIAN.org mirror behind deb.devuan.org being updated? | 01:10 |
KatolaZ | it was certainly there, I don't doubt that | 01:10 |
Xenguy | Huh, you never know, but as network speculation, I'd say that's pretty good | 01:10 |
KatolaZ | the problem is that deb.debian.org hits more than 200 mirrors around the globe | 01:10 |
Xenguy | Hmm, not bad coverage | 01:11 |
KatolaZ | Xenguy: note: deb.DEBIAN.org ;) | 01:11 |
KatolaZ | deb.DEVUAN.org hits aroun 15 :) | 01:11 |
Xenguy | Gotcha | 01:11 |
Xenguy | Understandable, but I'm sure the mirrors will grow with time | 01:12 |
KatolaZ | well, they have grown a lot | 01:12 |
KatolaZ | and we are getting more mirrors in far East Asia and Oceania as well ;) | 01:12 |
Xenguy | And Debian has been around for ages, and was in on the ground floor | 01:12 |
Xenguy | Yay | 01:12 |
Xenguy | Good to hear | 01:13 |
Xenguy | The more mirrors the better. I'd even say get an 'onion' address, just for good measure ; -) | 01:13 |
KatolaZ | a few weeks ago I read a post (maybe on d1g) of somebody who was still "waiting to see if Devuan will stay around" | 01:13 |
KatolaZ | I wonder what these people need to see in order to believe | 01:13 |
KatolaZ | Xenguy: there is already an onion address | 01:14 |
Xenguy | Bah, I despise that laissez-faire, non-commital, 'wait and see' mentality | 01:14 |
watchcat | there are onion addresses for debian repos. | 01:14 |
Xenguy | Super! | 01:14 |
KatolaZ | there is an onion address for the devuan repo as well | 01:14 |
KatolaZ | hold on | 01:14 |
KatolaZ | devuanfwojg73k6r.onion | 01:14 |
Xenguy | That's forward thinking, good one | 01:14 |
watchcat | oops, i scrwwed that up, meant devuan. :P | 01:15 |
Xenguy | OK, gotcha | 01:15 |
* Xenguy steps outside for a puff... | 01:15 | |
KatolaZ | Xenguy: https://devuan.org/os/ | 01:15 |
Xenguy | tx | 01:16 |
KatolaZ | it's listed there ^^ | 01:16 |
Xenguy | You guys run a tight ship I'll say | 01:23 |
KatolaZ | Xenguy: it's *us*, and you are included ;) | 01:24 |
KatolaZ | as any other d1r | 01:24 |
Xenguy | Thanks man, I wish I could help more, but I'm a lousy volunteer it turns out : -) | 01:25 |
KatolaZ | doesn't matter | 01:25 |
Xenguy | I can report bugs, if nothing else | 01:25 |
KatolaZ | every single d1r is necessary for the success of Devuan :) | 01:26 |
Xenguy | d1r, I like it | 01:26 |
KatolaZ | time to sleep over here | 01:26 |
Xenguy | agreed | 01:26 |
KatolaZ | o/ | 01:26 |
KatolaZ | bbl | 01:26 |
Xenguy | OK, pleasant dreams | 01:26 |
specing | How many devs are there for devuan? | 01:27 |
Xenguy | Standard answer: too few | 01:27 |
KatolaZ | :D | 01:27 |
specing | as in how many "defected" from debian? I assume most still maintain stuff in debian? | 01:27 |
gnarface | specing: https://devuan.org/os/team/ | 01:27 |
gnarface | (too few) | 01:28 |
KatolaZ | Xenguy: mirror status is available online anyway: | 01:28 |
KatolaZ | https://pkgmaster.devuan.org/mirror_status.html <- Xenguy | 01:28 |
Xenguy | Word, thanks again KatolaZ | 01:28 |
KatolaZ | that file is present also on deb.devuan.org/mirror_status.html | 01:28 |
gnarface | awesome! we have mirror status now!~ | 01:29 |
Xenguy | weeeeeeee | 01:29 |
KatolaZ | gnarface: we have had it for a few months | 01:29 |
gnarface | oh, well i'm excited | 01:29 |
KatolaZ | (the public page, at least) | 01:29 |
KatolaZ | :) | 01:29 |
KatolaZ | maybe we haven't actually announced it | 01:29 |
KatolaZ | it's actually up since the end of 2018 | 01:31 |
KatolaZ | s/it's/it has been/ | 01:31 |
KatolaZ | sleeping | 01:31 |
KatolaZ | bbl | 01:31 |
KatolaZ | o/ | 01:31 |
Xenguy | gnarface: Hilarious descriptions on that staff page | 02:24 |
gnarface | Xenguy: i didn't do it | 02:27 |
Xenguy | Nevertheless, very enjoyable : -) | 02:28 |
Xenguy | And you posted it, so thanks for that | 02:28 |
golinux | Xenguy: I insisted on clever job descriptions | 02:30 |
Xenguy | I love it | 02:30 |
golinux | We are a whimsical bunch. | 02:30 |
Xenguy | Just my thing ; -) | 02:31 |
golinux | and have fun doing what we do | 02:31 |
Xenguy | Whimsy is the whisky of humor | 02:31 |
Xenguy | Who said that? | 02:31 |
golinux | Have no idea but getting OT | 02:31 |
Xenguy | I think I said it | 02:32 |
Xenguy | "Be that as it may" | 02:32 |
system16 | i got to try the rsync command | 17:31 |
system16 | rsync -av /home/userpub /home/userpub/sdb2/backup | 17:31 |
system16 | all i need to do is to put this in a "cron" (?) . | 17:32 |
system16 | now that the command is running , i noticed that the cpu usage is high. this server runs pi-hole. and i want to make pi hole top priority no matter what. | 17:33 |
system16 | or alternatively make the rsync process the lowest priority | 17:34 |
system16 | to not impact the pihole and its speed | 17:37 |
Akuli | why is libsystemd0 installed on my devuan system? | 20:36 |
debdog | aptitude why libsystemd0 | 20:38 |
Akuli | xvfb | 20:39 |
Akuli | lol why does such an innocent-seeming thing depend on libsystemd :( | 20:39 |
Akuli | hmm now i removed xvfb and aptitude says that vlc depends on libsystemd0 | 20:40 |
debdog | here it's openvpn. and I have no clue either. just like cancer | 20:40 |
Akuli | if i try to remove it with apt, it would also remove my mate desktop environment, cups, my web browser, gimp, ffmpeg, some xorg video drivers, ??? | 20:41 |
Akuli | this is wut | 20:41 |
golinux | Akuli: this has been explained over and over | 20:42 |
debdog | that's prolly because they all have been installed by (a) meta-package(s) | 20:42 |
Akuli | is there a thing i can read somewhere then? | 20:42 |
Akuli | i wouldn't want to annoy people by making them explain something like that again | 20:42 |
golinux | There is a sticky post under "Devuan" on the forum | 20:43 |
golinux | And you could also search the DNG archives | 20:43 |
xinomilo | https://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?id=1925 | 20:43 |
Akuli | nice thanks :) | 20:43 |
golinux | xinomilo to the rescus! | 20:44 |
golinux | rescue | 20:44 |
Akuli | libsystemd0 is used by some daemons to verify if systemd is running or not." :D | 20:44 |
golinux | I am hoping that we will soon have a search page come up on the forum before anyone tries to post. | 20:45 |
golinux | Need that here too | 20:45 |
specing | No libsystemd0 on my Gentoo system[s] | 20:46 |
golinux | If we had more hands on deck we could remove all those offending files. | 20:47 |
Centurion_Dan | golinux: that's a pointless exercise - like playing whack-a-mole | 20:59 |
Centurion_Dan | specing: we will soon have libelogind as a drop in abi compatible replacement for libsystemd0 | 21:00 |
KatolaZ | debdog: it has nothing to do with meta-packages | 21:16 |
KatolaZ | those packages have genuine deps on libsystemd0 | 21:16 |
KatolaZ | and still, this is not at all a problem | 21:16 |
KatolaZ | since libystemd0 does anythin only if systemd is actually running | 21:16 |
MinceR | allegedly | 21:18 |
furrywolf | we really should replace it with a library that just returns 0 for every function call. | 21:18 |
KatolaZ | furrywolf: you are welcome | 21:18 |
KatolaZ | libelogind does more or less that | 21:18 |
MinceR | nosystem does that | 21:19 |
MinceR | but i don't think it was packaged for devuan yet | 21:19 |
icarious | Does Devuan uses consolekit2 or elogind by default? | 23:38 |
golinux | icarious: It depends on the DE and login manager, Please read the Release Notes | 23:40 |
icarious | golinux: ok | 23:40 |
parazyd | https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Devuan-Conference-2019 | 23:58 |
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