gnu_srs1 | sokan: I think popcon helps a lot, especially wrt installed packages for Devuan. But I might be wrong... | 00:16 |
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g0zzy | Back to the issue of unattended-upgrades: could someone tell me the difference between ascii-updates and ascii-proposed-updates? | 00:58 |
fsmithred | sokan, don't format your efi partition - some motherboards don't like that. | 01:33 |
Dantalion | Switching from ISP based routers to PFSense was a big relief for me, I never tried OpenWRT maybe some day I will have time to play with it. | 08:17 |
evilham | I built my own router :-D | 09:53 |
evilham | It runs devuan and nftables :-) | 09:53 |
gnarface | congratulations | 09:55 |
gnarface | to both of you | 09:56 |
heaven- | i thought bpfilter was the new hot thing | 12:18 |
g0zzy | Just wondering what the best way to get the default desktop background a solid colour? Doesn't seem to be selectable by right-click on desktop | 13:00 |
gnarface | on xfce? there's gotta be something in the system menu somewhere | 13:03 |
gnarface | or something like that | 13:03 |
g0zzy | Well a right-click on the desktop should do it but it only allows me to choose different bg images | 13:04 |
gnarface | hmm. strange, i don't know. i'm not using xfce | 13:05 |
g0zzy | Ahh. Got it. 'None' is under the Style dropdown | 13:05 |
gnarface | oh, that makes sense | 13:06 |
g0zzy | gnarface: Thanks for your help | 15:10 |
gnarface | i didn't really help but you're welcome anyway | 15:11 |
g0zzy | :) | 15:11 |
sokan | fsmithred: currently my system has MBR w7 iirc | 15:23 |
sokan | And since I'm consiering going full dev1 I thought that I could go UEFI | 15:24 |
fsmithred | sokan, yes you can use uefi with devuan | 16:13 |
sokan | tmp TMP0 error occured while system was booting from DVD. is that normal? | 16:16 |
fsmithred | not normal, and I don't know what it means | 16:18 |
fsmithred | it's not a samsung notebook, is it? | 16:18 |
sokan | thinkpad t420 | 16:20 |
KatolaZ | sokan: does it boot anyway? | 16:20 |
sokan | tmp tmp0: A TMP error (6) occured attemptin to read a pcr value | 16:20 |
sokan | is what it says | 16:20 |
KatolaZ | sokan: does it boot anyway? | 16:20 |
sokan | and then everything goes well | 16:20 |
KatolaZ | ok | 16:21 |
sokan | isntallation starts yes KatolaZ | 16:21 |
fsmithred | oh | 16:21 |
KatolaZ | then forget it | 16:21 |
sokan | aye aye sir | 16:21 |
sokan | irreleavnt: I now understand why all devs addor thinkpads | 16:22 |
sokan | most solit laptop build I've come across so far | 16:22 |
KatolaZ | sokan: you will only fully understand it in five years ;P | 16:22 |
sokan | fingers crossed all we be well so i can confirm what you said | 16:23 |
sokan | since i've never worked with de*an before, I dl a .deb package and I install it via apt? | 16:25 |
KatolaZ | no need | 16:28 |
KatolaZ | (to download by hand) | 16:28 |
KatolaZ | apt will connect to the repos, download the packages you want, and install them | 16:28 |
KatolaZ | sokan: which distro were you using before? | 16:28 |
sokan | arch ~2-3 years ago, then a break from computers and came back with gentoo | 16:30 |
KatolaZ | sokan: apt is a package manager | 16:32 |
KatolaZ | (the real package manager is dpkg, to be precise, but you normally don't need to use it) | 16:33 |
KatolaZ | apt has a set of repositories configured | 16:33 |
KatolaZ | it will use them to retireve available software and install it | 16:33 |
golinux | Debian is a rudderless ship in the calms? https://lwn.net/SubscriberLink/782786/1b0334c3a2a9d8b1/ | 16:33 |
KatolaZ | not at all golinux | 16:35 |
KatolaZ | -_- | 16:35 |
golinux | I'm sure that RedHat would be happy to send someone to the rescue. LOL! | 16:36 |
sokan | thanks KatolaZ | 16:37 |
KatolaZ | golinux: the Debian leader has to be a DD | 16:37 |
MinceR | it seems unlikely that there wouldn't be a DD on rh payroll already | 16:39 |
KatolaZ | -_- | 16:40 |
sokan | what's the advantage of having a seperate /home partition? | 16:44 |
unixman | One can fill up home and the system will still boot. Fill up root and see what happens. | 16:46 |
sokan | fair point | 16:46 |
unixman | It's the same reason to have a separate /var. Runaway logging won't kill your ability to boot. | 16:47 |
errandir1 | also you can have multiple distros and still use the same /home | 16:49 |
MinceR | what could possibly go wrong? | 16:50 |
sokan | I'm going for an encryption as well | 16:50 |
unixman | Hehe, well, KDE might whine and die if you have different versions? Maybe? | 16:50 |
MinceR | dunno, plasma couldn't keep its settings intact even with only 1 distro using that /home... | 16:51 |
unixman | Not surprised. I left KDE for Xfce years ago. After the 3.x to 4.x debacle where the KDE devs would *not* own that it was their screw-up. | 16:52 |
errandir1 | so I must be using sensible software then... no problem with that | 16:52 |
MinceR | :) | 16:53 |
MinceR | took me a while to figure out which ones were sensible | 16:53 |
gnarface | well some stuff handles version switches on old configs better than others | 16:54 |
gnarface | that can mess you up even with just one distro | 16:54 |
gnarface | most the time those annoyances are minor and you just purge the ~/.directory | 16:54 |
sokan | hmmm. Idebootstrap error | 16:55 |
sokan | failed to determine the codename for the release | 16:55 |
MinceR | purge the unclean | 16:55 |
sokan | huh? | 16:57 |
gnarface | sokan: stackexchange says it could be an integrity failure of the install image (did you skip the integrity check?) or it could be that it got unmounted somehow by the LVM encrypting process, which can be corrected by remounting it from a side shell | 17:00 |
gnarface | seen in debian: https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/381408/debian-laptop-installation-fails-due-to-debootstrap-error-failed-to-determine-t | 17:01 |
sokan | gnarface: same issue even with "normal" patitionin without LVM | 17:01 |
sokan | maybe I use a stuck as an installer | 17:01 |
gnarface | yea i'd say maybe verify that install image | 17:02 |
gnarface | it is not unheard-of for them to get corrupted in transit | 17:02 |
gnarface | but the raid+encryption+lvm setup is a little fragile it seems too, judging from feedback | 17:03 |
sokan | gnarface: so I should better leave encyption for now? | 17:08 |
sokan | or try out installing via usb anyway? | 17:08 |
gnarface | what were you using before? | 17:09 |
gnarface | cdrom? | 17:09 |
sokan | yep | 17:09 |
sokan | DVD-rom to be precise | 17:09 |
gnarface | well you should run the integrity check on it, is what you should do first | 17:09 |
sokan | gnarface: any idea how ca I check that? | 17:10 |
gnarface | it should have been a menu option in there somewhere... | 17:10 |
KatolaZ | sokan: which image are you using? | 17:10 |
sokan | https://mirror.netzspielplatz.de/devuan/devuan_ascii_rc/installer-iso/devuan_ascii_2.0.0-rc_amd64_dvd-1.iso | 17:11 |
sokan | KatolaZ: ^ | 17:11 |
KatolaZ | why on earth are you using an RC? | 17:12 |
KatolaZ | FFS | 17:12 |
KatolaZ | https://files.devuan.org/ | 17:12 |
gnarface | hmm, yea don't ask for trouble | 17:13 |
KatolaZ | sokan: ^^^ | 17:15 |
sokan | what's wrong with RC? :\ | 17:52 |
KatolaZ | it's the release candidate | 17:52 |
KatolaZ | not the final one | 17:52 |
KatolaZ | we should remove that mirror from the list | 17:52 |
KatolaZ | but FFS, how could you pick the only one which was not updated? :D | 17:52 |
sokan | bad luck? XD | 17:53 |
sokan | dling the new one now | 17:53 |
KatolaZ | use files.devuan.org, please | 17:53 |
KatolaZ | and check the SHA256SUM | 17:53 |
sokan | aye aye sir! | 17:53 |
sokan | I always check SHA25 after dling :) | 17:53 |
KatolaZ | good | 17:53 |
KatolaZ | :D | 17:54 |
sokan | when I learned about it, it was a revelation | 17:54 |
sokan | so many pointless dvd-burns and usb stick usage | 17:54 |
KatolaZ | sokan: the SHA256SUM file is also signed | 17:54 |
KatolaZ | please refer to the README | 17:54 |
sokan | okey doke | 17:55 |
sokan | how can I combine gpg and sha25 checking? | 17:55 |
KatolaZ | please read the Release Notes : | 17:56 |
KatolaZ | https://files.devuan.org/devuan_ascii/Release_notes.txt | 17:56 |
KatolaZ | under "Getting Devuan ASCII" <- sokan | 17:56 |
sokan | okey doke | 17:58 |
sokan | ty | 17:58 |
KatolaZ | yw | 17:58 |
sokan | a few minutes to be able to fiiinally install devuan :3 | 18:36 |
sokan | btw, big big big big thumps up for the whole space conecpt of the distro :3 | 18:36 |
KatolaZ | sokan: uh? | 18:41 |
sokan | planets | 18:46 |
sokan | and all that | 18:46 |
sokan | and logo gives me a feeling or Nasa, SpaceX etc :P | 18:46 |
sokan | maybt it was unintentional but it's pretty cool :D | 18:46 |
MinceR | the logo was indeed inspired by a minor planet in orbit | 18:49 |
KatolaZ | oh sure sokan | 18:50 |
KatolaZ | it is all intentional :) | 18:50 |
sokan | KatolaZ: is it ok to PM you for verification about that gpg thingY? | 18:53 |
sokan | don't want to flood here | 18:53 |
KatolaZ | sokan: you shouldn't trust me | 18:53 |
sokan | hm | 18:53 |
KatolaZ | you should trust the PGP key :) | 18:53 |
sokan | well | 18:53 |
sokan | gpg: Good signature from "Vincenzo (KatolaZ) Nicosia <katolaz@freaknet.org>" [unknown] | 18:54 |
sokan | gpg: aka "Vincenzo Nicosia (KatolaZ) <me@katolaz.homeunix.net>" [unknown] | 18:54 |
sokan | gpg: aka "Vincenzo Nicosia (KatolaZ) <katolaz@yahoo.it>" [unknown] | 18:54 |
sokan | gpg: aka "KatolaZ <katolaz@freaknet.org>" [unknown] | 18:54 |
KatolaZ | no sokan | 18:54 |
sokan | gpg: aka "Enzo Nicosia <katolaz@freaknet.org>" [unknown] | 18:54 |
sokan | gpg: aka "Enzo Nicosia -- KatolaZ <katolaz@freaknet.org>" [unknown] | 18:54 |
sokan | gpg: WARNING: This key is not certified with a trusted signature! | 18:54 |
KatolaZ | you're gonna be kicked | 18:54 |
sokan | gpg: There is no indication that the signature belongs to the owner. | 18:54 |
KatolaZ | :( | 18:54 |
sokan | aha | 18:54 |
sokan | ok | 18:54 |
KatolaZ | there is a bot that kicks upon multiline pastes | 18:54 |
KatolaZ | :D | 18:54 |
KatolaZ | again, trust the signature | 18:54 |
sokan | that's fine. I wwas worried about emails or something | 18:54 |
sokan | I'm not sure how to "read" the signature. I followd the guidelines on how to check the immages and this was the result I got | 18:55 |
KatolaZ | (anybody can claim to be me, but only I can use that key) | 18:55 |
KatolaZ | sokan: it says :Good Signature" | 18:55 |
sokan | and this warning? | 18:56 |
KatolaZ | just means that you have not declared that you trust my key and there is no chain of trust to actually trust it | 18:56 |
KatolaZ | (you can ignore it unless you want to know me in person before trusting my GPG signature) | 18:57 |
fsmithred | Speaking of keys, are we going to have a key-signing party in Amsterdam? | 18:59 |
sokan | haha | 19:01 |
sokan | who knows? Maybe I will eventually :P | 19:01 |
sokan | (know you in person) | 19:01 |
sokan | so since gpg is ok and sha25sum is ok. I'm good to go with the burning | 19:02 |
KatolaZ | you should be fine, sokan | 19:04 |
KatolaZ | :) | 19:04 |
sokan | yep | 19:06 |
KatolaZ | fsmithred: I guess so | 19:08 |
sokan | bah... Bad DVD this time :\ | 19:40 |
sokan | w00t! it works now | 20:21 |
KatolaZ | sokan: good | 20:31 |
sokan | ssh server during installation means that my machine will work as an ssh server? | 21:06 |
sokan | or re-phrased: I can still use ssh without my laptop having ssh server installed? | 21:06 |
KatolaZ | sure you can sokan | 21:13 |
KatolaZ | that option is only to install an ssh server | 21:13 |
sokan | installed! :D | 21:47 |
sokan | erm | 22:07 |
sokan | my repos is from dvd still | 22:07 |
sokan | how do I change to something else? | 22:07 |
fsmithred | comment out the cdrom line in /etc/apt/sources.list | 22:07 |
fsmithred | there should be some lines with deb.devuan.org already, but if not, you can see an example at devuan.org | 22:08 |
sokan | upgarding as we speak. thanks fsmithred | 22:11 |
sokan | since I have kde working finely, can I safely remove xfce4 and all it's dependencies via apt somehow? | 22:15 |
sokan | figured it out :) | 22:35 |
sokan | how come there's no pcsx2 package in repo? :( | 22:35 |
KatolaZ | sokan: pkginfo.devuan.org | 22:38 |
KatolaZ | sokan: what is pcsx2? | 22:38 |
sokan | play stations 2 emulator | 22:38 |
KatolaZ | https://pkginfo.devuan.org/stage/ascii/ascii/pcsxr_1.9.94-2+b1.html | 22:38 |
KatolaZ | sokan: ^^^ could this be the one? | 22:38 |
sokan | sadly no. | 22:38 |
sokan | https://packages.debian.org/stretch/pcsx2 <--- for reference | 22:39 |
KatolaZ | sokan: that package is not in stretch | 22:39 |
sokan | hmmm | 22:39 |
sokan | weird | 22:40 |
KatolaZ | hold on | 22:40 |
KatolaZ | mmmhhh | 22:41 |
sokan | no luck eh? | 22:42 |
KatolaZ | it's strange | 22:42 |
KatolaZ | it looks like the package is in stretch | 22:42 |
sokan | but it's not somehow? | 22:44 |
KatolaZ | sokan: we are trying to understand why it's not there | 22:44 |
sokan | okey | 22:50 |
sokan | sorry for the trouble too | 22:50 |
KatolaZ | np | 22:50 |
Jjp137 | it's only available for i386 apparently | 22:57 |
sokan | oh dear | 22:59 |
Jjp137 | if you're on amd64, you can probably still install it, but first you need to enable the i386 arch with uh...let me find the command | 23:01 |
sokan | amd64 here yeah | 23:01 |
Jjp137 | with: dpkg --add-architecture i386 | 23:01 |
Jjp137 | then apt-get update | 23:01 |
Jjp137 | then install it | 23:01 |
sokan | so i need to make my system multilib so to say | 23:02 |
Jjp137 | probably with: apt-get install pcsx2:i386 | 23:02 |
Jjp137 | yes basically | 23:02 |
sokan | great! | 23:06 |
sokan | I can pull it now :) | 23:06 |
sokan | will try to install tomorrow | 23:06 |
sokan | thanks Jjp137 KatolaZ :) | 23:06 |
Jjp137 | np! | 23:07 |
sokan | whoever's running a wm, which panel do you use alongside it? (asking since polybar isn't in repo) | 23:14 |
MinceR | for now, xfce4-panel, but it has gone to shit, so i'm looking for a replacement | 23:18 |
sokan | MinceR: the only solutions I have atm are dzen2 and lemonbar but no clue how exactly they're configured | 23:20 |
MinceR | do they support multihead properly? | 23:20 |
MinceR | (fbpanel/lxpanel just stretches itself along the bottom of the desktop, even if it spans multiple displays...) | 23:21 |
sokan | xinerama support | 23:22 |
sokan | https://robm.github.io/dzen/ | 23:22 |
sokan | it's v. old though | 23:22 |
MinceR | i made a note to try bmpanel2 and pypanel but forgot about them | 23:25 |
sokan | and just saw tint | 23:25 |
MinceR | can dzen2 do font antialiasing? | 23:27 |
sokan | no clue man | 23:27 |
sokan | :P | 23:27 |
MinceR | :) | 23:28 |
heaven- | it doesnt do that by default? | 23:28 |
sokan | I've never used it so far | 23:28 |
heaven- | i imagine it reads the .xdefaults Xft.* settings or something | 23:28 |
sokan | I was a polybar person | 23:28 |
sokan | But I"m not planning on leaving dev1 just for polybar :P | 23:29 |
sokan | and there's also https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Tint2 MinceR | 23:30 |
MinceR | i used tint2 under #! but didn't like it. some screenshots suggest it can do more now, though | 23:31 |
sokan | ricing is tough crap | 23:31 |
MinceR | :) | 23:31 |
heaven- | =) | 23:31 |
KatolaZ | se7en: it's available only for i386 | 23:43 |
KatolaZ | sorry | 23:43 |
KatolaZ | sokan: it's pcsx2 is available only on i386 | 23:43 |
KatolaZ | you should enable multi-arch to install it | 23:43 |
sokan | Jjp137: led me there :) | 23:43 |
sokan | s/:/ | 23:44 |
KatolaZ | oh sorry | 23:47 |
KatolaZ | actually parazyd let me notice it | 23:47 |
sokan | nps | 23:49 |
sokan | it got solved so all is a-ok :) | 23:50 |
KatolaZ | good | 23:50 |
sokan | out of curiosity: if say debian goes on hiatus with that leader thingy, will devuan be affected by that? | 23:50 |
KatolaZ | sokan: I think the leader thing is pretty irrelevant, if you ask me | 23:51 |
sokan | swell | 23:52 |
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