| slvr | isn't that because jessie is already systemd? I had a really hard time upgrading directly from debian jessie to devuan jessie on a desktop workstation.... in a container I think it would be even harder. | 00:04 |
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| Xenguy | I've always heard that it was an easy upgrade, but haven't tried myself | 00:09 |
| buZz | slvr: upgrading devuan jessie to devuan ascii breaks a LXC container's ability to function | 00:25 |
| KatolaZ | buZz: it's just one option away in the lxc config file | 00:26 |
| buZz | KatolaZ: oooo , mind telling me which? :D | 00:27 |
| fsmithred | primary gpt table is corrupt - everything I'm reading says it's usually the secondary that's corrupt. Is there a way to fix it? | 00:33 |
| fsmithred | I tried gdisk, p - everthing looks ok, then w, and it writes, but gparted still gives that error | 00:34 |
| fsmithred | can I ignore it? | 00:34 |
| gnarface | fsmithred: sounds familiar | 00:36 |
| gnarface | fsmithred: something about replacing a MSDOS partition table that used to boot windows 7 with a GPT partition table, and gparted couldn't fully remove some random weird MSDOS partition table flag from the middle of the GPT sector because it was supposed to be untouched as per spec, maybe? i recall after extensive googling that i found a way to clear it properly with sfdisk or cfdisk | 00:38 |
| specing | fsmithred: there is a checksum in there | 00:38 |
| specing | fsmithred: so if it says its the primary, its the primary | 00:39 |
| gnarface | fsmithred: (using dd to zero the first couple megabytes of the disk should suffice too, but probably isn't what you want if you were trying to rescue the partitions) | 00:39 |
| fsmithred | yeah, I saw the think about old msdos partition table, but these are new drives | 00:40 |
| fsmithred | 4T | 00:40 |
| fsmithred | right, I copied 1.1T of files to it already | 00:40 |
| gnarface | did it ever boot windows 7? | 00:41 |
| fsmithred | nope | 00:41 |
| fsmithred | never booted anything | 00:41 |
| gnarface | hmm. i got nothing then | 00:41 |
| fsmithred | ok, thanks for trying | 00:41 |
| fsmithred | I probably need to start over | 00:42 |
| gnarface | i wonder if it could actually be a bios incompatibility with the 4T drive size | 00:42 |
| fsmithred | shouldn't be - it's not that old | 00:42 |
| golinux | Even as hardware challenged as I am, I had that thought | 00:43 |
| fsmithred | hm | 00:43 |
| fsmithred | using legacy/csm not uefi | 00:43 |
| gnarface | i still haven't tested anything larger than 1T here | 00:44 |
| fsmithred | now I can't remember what command I used, but in terminal it said... | 00:45 |
| fsmithred | T | 00:45 |
| fsmithred | oh | 00:45 |
| fsmithred | no slashes | 00:45 |
| fsmithred | /dev/md1 unrecognized disk label | 00:45 |
| fsmithred | then next line | 00:46 |
| fsmithred | the primary gpt table is corrupt | 00:46 |
| fsmithred | but it doesn't say which drive | 00:46 |
| gnarface | oh, right you said you were setting up a raid array with LVM on it, i also have never tried that yet | 00:46 |
| fsmithred | a raid array made on partitions would not have a partition table would it? | 00:46 |
| fsmithred | just the disks would have it. correct? | 00:47 |
| gnarface | pairing LVM with raid might be a source of additional complications, but i believe that a raid array DOES have partitions | 00:47 |
| gnarface | as in you are supposed to partition the raid array AFTER striping all the drives | 00:47 |
| fsmithred | that's what the lvm is for | 00:47 |
| gnarface | there's a way to make it work but i don't know what it is. i just remember that keeps coming up; raid + LVM faceplants without some extra step | 00:48 |
| fsmithred | it's been working for almost 4 years | 00:49 |
| gnarface | oh, really? hmmm... | 00:49 |
| gnarface | weird | 00:49 |
| fsmithred | well, I'm sure I did something wrong | 00:49 |
| fsmithred | brb | 00:50 |
| buZz | KatolaZ: why noooooot | 01:09 |
| buZz | :D | 01:09 |
| slvr | buZz: my web container is running ,Devuan GNU/Linux beowulf/ceres, upgraded wheezy > devuan jessie > ascii > beowulf | 01:18 |
| slvr | I just stopped it, made a backup, and yolo'd on through with only php package issues. | 01:19 |
| buZz | slvr: :D | 01:20 |
| buZz | on what host platform? | 01:20 |
| slvr | slackware 14.2 | 01:20 |
| buZz | ah, just lxc from scratch then? | 01:20 |
| buZz | or virt-manager perhps | 01:20 |
| slvr | lxc template for debian containers was copied from a debian lxc host | 01:21 |
| slvr | I use lxc download to make new containers | 01:21 |
| reubyawn | hexchat sound test | 03:02 |
| Xenguy | reubyawn: beep beep | 03:11 |
| reubyawn | Installed a wav file that hexchat play button activates, now how can hexchat make a sound when a post is made? https://www.sounds4email.com/sounds/various.php | 03:22 |
| fsmithred | I think it's in the settings | 03:22 |
| fsmithred | you need to find hexchat's beep wav file and replace it with yours, I think | 03:22 |
| fsmithred | Settings -> Text events | 03:23 |
| fsmithred | maybe not. I'm not sure what to do with that. | 03:24 |
| fsmithred | Settings, Preferences, Sounds | 03:24 |
| systemdlete | On my centOS box (soon to be replaced by devuan and some others), gparted recognizes 3 raid devices I created years ago, but not a brand new one I just created. Do I need to run a utility to update the kernel' internal cache or something? | 03:25 |
| systemdlete | *kernel's | 03:25 |
| fsmithred | you made the raid with that same centos? | 03:26 |
| systemdlete | I am asking here because this is the friendliest and most helpful channel I've ever encountered on IRC. | 03:26 |
| reubyawn | Setting, Preferences, Sounds is where I began | 03:26 |
| systemdlete | eh, no. I think this version of mdadm is more recent. | 03:26 |
| * systemdlete waves hi to fsmithred | 03:26 | |
| fsmithred | you could try running partprobe but you may need a newer kernel | 03:26 |
| fsmithred | hi | 03:26 |
| systemdlete | it is 2.6.32 | 03:27 |
| systemdlete | ah, partprobe. thanks... | 03:27 |
| fsmithred | after my experience with raid and lvm today, I suggest you burn it. | 03:27 |
| systemdlete | nope. but thanks; that was the command I couldn't think of off-hand | 03:28 |
| fsmithred | didn't work? | 03:29 |
| systemdlete | Actually, this is probably unimportant, but it is just odd. I am simplly wondering why this is. | 03:29 |
| fsmithred | maybe newer version of mdadm | 03:29 |
| buZz | parazyd: which Acer Chromebook (chromeacer) | 03:29 |
| systemdlete | In fact, I can see gparted runs partprobe and spits out the same messages | 03:29 |
| buZz | parazyd: does devuan support, actually? | 03:29 |
| buZz | seems they made a ton of different models | 03:30 |
| systemdlete | but it was worth a try anyway. | 03:30 |
| systemdlete | fsmithred: I am tending to think likewise. | 03:30 |
| fsmithred | I've seen similar problems with fsck | 03:30 |
| buZz | systemdlete: maybe just reboot the machine? | 03:30 |
| buZz | systemdlete: or maybe, try this ; https://bash.cyberciti.biz/diskadmin/rescan-linux-scsi-bus/ | 03:31 |
| systemdlete | The older raids are either 0.90 or v1.0; the new one is v1.2 | 03:31 |
| buZz | here without a 300 line bash script ; https://blogs.it.ox.ac.uk/oxcloud/2013/03/25/rescanning-your-scsi-bus-to-see-new-storage/ | 03:31 |
| systemdlete | maybe older gparted does not recognize this newer format | 03:31 |
| buZz | centos anything is 'older' | 03:33 |
| buZz | arent they still on 3.10 kernels? | 03:33 |
| systemdlete | buZz: thanks. Yeah, this is C6. Nope, older than that, buZz. 2.6.32 | 03:33 |
| systemdlete | which is why I need to move on to Devuan or Hyperbola or Alpine... | 03:34 |
| systemdlete | I am working on this now | 03:34 |
| koollman | well 3.10 for centos7 | 03:34 |
| buZz | systemdlete: holy f | 03:34 |
| buZz | systemdlete: forgot to install updates or something? | 03:35 |
| systemdlete | actually, if I cat those devices as per the article you cite, buZz, it only lists ahci 4 times and pata-atiixp twice. | 03:35 |
| koollman | although of course there's a bunch of backports in that kernel and you can get a more recent kernel easily enough | 03:35 |
| systemdlete | buZz. No. Support on C6 ran out years ago. | 03:35 |
| fsmithred | yeah, 3.10 is in centos 7 | 03:35 |
| buZz | systemdlete: thats why you install upgrades right? | 03:35 |
| buZz | to move to supported software :P | 03:35 |
| fsmithred | 3.10.0-862 so I guess it's well-maintained | 03:35 |
| systemdlete | right. But C6 is the last of the Mohicans (ie, pre-systemd) | 03:36 |
| systemdlete | There is no way I will have that monstrosity on any hardware I own. A VM perhaps. But not my precious hw | 03:36 |
| systemdlete | Yes, there are backports. | 03:37 |
| systemdlete | But, frankly, those are not well-supported. It's kind of use-at-your-own-risk | 03:37 |
| koollman | systemdlete: well, so is centos6. so ... :) | 03:37 |
| systemdlete | As it is, I am no longer able to get much support on C6. I am really, really anxious to get to Devuan installed here. | 03:37 |
| systemdlete | :) (indeed, buZz) | 03:38 |
| systemdlete | They are pushing everyone to C7, and now C8 is out a few days ago | 03:38 |
| systemdlete | well, RH8 | 03:38 |
| systemdlete | but they want everyone under the big Redtent | 03:39 |
| systemdlete | magical world of Harry Poettering | 03:39 |
| koollman | I would try adding elrepo, then kernel-lt package (or even kernel-ml), and see if you can boot on that. Then once you solve your problems, of course, use devuan :) | 03:39 |
| systemdlete | koollman, actually, if I am going to spend my time (and yours, thank you) on ANY project, it will be Devuan, Hyperbola, Alpine, etc. | 03:40 |
| systemdlete | The system is stable enough on C6. A bit frustrating at times, but stable. The next cold boot will be to install replacements. | 03:40 |
| systemdlete | # mdadm --version gives me: mdadm - v3.3.4 - 3rd August 2015 | 03:42 |
| systemdlete | gparted has little real RAID support anyway. OK. Time to get back to deployment... thanks to all who chimed in | 03:43 |
| systemdlete | always appreciate it! | 03:44 |
| buZz | mdadm - v3.4 - 28th January 2016 | 03:44 |
| buZz | random ascii system | 03:44 |
| buZz | my /dev/md0 is Version : 1.2 | 03:45 |
| systemdlete | whoops. I meant gparted gives me: 0.31.0 | 03:47 |
| systemdlete | (the more important part) | 03:47 |
| systemdlete | (since it is gparted that is goofing on me) | 03:47 |
| systemdlete | buZz: Does your gparted recognize /dev/md0 ? | 03:49 |
| buZz | i never used gparted | 03:49 |
| koollman | gparted (and parted) is not good with raid | 03:49 |
| systemdlete | then again, I created the new device as /dev/md_d2, which is a slightly different convention (completely legal and suppported, though) | 03:49 |
| buZz | do you mean fdisk? | 03:50 |
| koollman | and I dislike it because it's not good with much more than very basic cases | 03:50 |
| systemdlete | koollman: Yes, very limited support. You can create a pv with it | 03:50 |
| systemdlete | no, I mean gparted | 03:50 |
| systemdlete | oh. Wait. | 03:51 |
| systemdlete | Only CERTAIN types of RAID are partitionable. This format is not I think. | 03:52 |
| systemdlete | That is probably why it is not referencing it at all. | 03:52 |
| * systemdlete kicks himself in the head. He JUST read about all this not 45 minutes ago! | 03:52 | |
| systemdlete | By "types," I mean, depending on the naming convention used, it may or may not be partitionable. | 03:53 |
| systemdlete | And gparted is not likely to be interested in a device that can't be. | 03:54 |
| systemdlete | Mark this solved... | 03:54 |
| buZz | arent all mdadm raids just block devices? | 03:55 |
| buZz | you can always partition any block device | 03:55 |
| drawkula | some | 03:56 |
| systemdlete | man mdadm and search for the sections on device creation and naming | 03:57 |
| buZz | which mdadm raids are not block devices? | 03:57 |
| drawkula | can youpartition a floppy? | 03:57 |
| buZz | yes | 03:57 |
| systemdlete | drawkula: I know what buZz is saying, but actually, you really can partition almost anything. I've partitioned USB sticks in the past. | 03:58 |
| furrywolf | I've never seen a partitioned floppy, but I don't see why you couldn't... | 03:58 |
| systemdlete | furrywolf: Scientists have even split the atom. Big deal, right? | 03:58 |
| systemdlete | partitions on a 1.4Mb device | 03:59 |
| systemdlete | MB | 03:59 |
| buZz | well, its 2.0MB without filesystem :P | 03:59 |
| koollman | at some point, the question isn't "could you" but "should you" :) | 03:59 |
| systemdlete | :) | 03:59 |
| buZz | systemdlete: fdisk /dev/md_whateveryoucalledit | 04:00 |
| buZz | i'd wanna bet you can just do 'o' 'n' 'p' 'enter' 'w' and have a partition on your new mdadm raid | 04:00 |
| koollman | now I prefer unpartitionned devices as much as possible (for most non-booting disks) | 04:00 |
| systemdlete | buZz: no doubt. But as far as gparted is concerned, it doesn't seem to want to touch them. | 04:00 |
| buZz | o (new empty partitiontable) n (new partition) p (primary) | 04:01 |
| buZz | systemdlete: that matched my opinion about gparted so i have to respect its wishes | 04:01 |
| buZz | :D | 04:01 |
| buZz | if its not a black window with white text on it, its lowering your paygrade | 04:01 |
| reubyawn | Q: How does Thunar, Devuan's file manager, display the '.config' hidden directory? | 04:10 |
| brocashelm | ctrl + h | 04:11 |
| systemdlete | does devuan install do its work behind a firewall, or does it run "naked" to the Internet? | 05:23 |
| systemdlete | i.e., to clarify, does install set up a firewall before it begins install? | 05:23 |
| systemdlete | (I assume it does, but I want to be sure!) | 05:24 |
| koollman | it does not, afaik. I'm not sure why it would. it also does not setup the network until you have advanced into the installation. And there's no running service to connect to, unless you choose to start them | 05:25 |
| systemdlete | koollman, so I don't need Internet for install? | 05:26 |
| systemdlete | (I mean, the initial install from ISO) | 05:26 |
| koollman | you don't. it's nice to have internet to add packages that are not on the iso, but it is not necessary | 05:27 |
| systemdlete | I can add those after install/reboot/configure firewall | 05:27 |
| koollman | you could. I'm not sure why you think it is necessary | 05:27 |
| systemdlete | some distros are net install only, or have an option to. That's why I'm asking. | 05:27 |
| koollman | you also could setup basic firewalling during install, from a shell | 05:28 |
| slvr | If you want to install without telemetry, yeah it will work fine. | 05:28 |
| koollman | if you feel more secure that way | 05:28 |
| systemdlete | telemetry? More about being vulnerable during the install if grabbing packages off the net. | 05:28 |
| slvr | hah. I'm annoyed at ubuntu and firefox lately for colelcting user stats by default... | 05:29 |
| koollman | systemdlete: vulnerable to what ? what's the attack surface ? | 05:29 |
| systemdlete | slvr: What could devuan possibly do with my info? | 05:29 |
| systemdlete | koollman: Idk. An open internet port connected to a repo somewhere deep in the web? | 05:30 |
| slvr | I have an exhaustive list or anything, I'm just glad it's not aggressively collected is all. re, no net connection required during install | 05:30 |
| systemdlete | the odds are low. I'm just more on the paranoid side. | 05:30 |
| koollman | systemdlete: Paranoia is fine, but you have to know what you're trying to protect from | 05:31 |
| systemdlete | istr that back in the horse-and-buggy days of Linux, that some installs could be vulnerable. But I really don't remember clearly what that was. Seems like some issue with SuSE maybe? | 05:32 |
| koollman | systemdlete: can you think of an attack that wouldn't go through a proper firewall setup, but would work on a debian-based system being installed ? (I could now that I think of it, and will check what is running on the default installer :) ) | 05:33 |
| koollman | but I think it should be pretty safe | 05:33 |
| systemdlete | sorry, koollman. I'm not an expert on Internet hacking or security in general. I agree it should be OK. | 05:34 |
| koollman | (become expert then. not paranoid enough ;) ) | 05:38 |
| systemdlete | bbl... | 06:06 |
| systemdlete | thanks to all for help | 06:07 |
| Hund | What is Devuans stance on the whole Debian switching to Wayland thingy? | 10:55 |
| furrymcgee | does it depend on a specific init system? | 10:56 |
| furrymcgee | or logind | 10:57 |
| xinomilo | security upgrades for linux-image & intel-microcode ... | 13:51 |
| cosurgi | Guys, about this latest security vulnerability. https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=928989#12 - does it mean that I can do `lsmod | grep -i rds`, and if I don't have module rds loaded, than I am safe? | 16:27 |
| cosurgi | *then | 16:27 |
| gnarface | cosurgi: "This is therefore only exploitable on systems that actually use rds." | 19:14 |
| gnarface | cosurgi: (yes) | 19:14 |
| gnarface | assuming you didn't build your own kernel and statically compile it in | 19:15 |
| gnarface | because then it would not show up in lsmod | 19:15 |
| cosurgi | gnarface: thanks :) | 19:34 |
| cosurgi | gnarface: btw, I couldn't find a "security" section on https://dev1galaxy.org/ | 19:35 |
| cosurgi | If I wanted to ask about this on forum, I wuold have to post in "Other issues" ? | 19:35 |
| gnarface | good question. i guess so for now. | 19:35 |
| gnarface | there shouldn't be really much about security that's not directly inherited from debian at this point | 19:36 |
| golinux | That sounds like a good place | 19:37 |
| xrogaan | Debian switch to wayland? | 21:22 |
| se7en | I sent an email to the ML | 21:28 |
| se7en | And it has not come back yet | 21:29 |
| golinux | se7en: That's because you are moderated on the list. Not my doing but I'm not going to undo it because there must have been a reason. | 21:54 |
| se7en | golinux: I thought I was removed from the moderated list | 22:04 |
| se7en | I continued to tell this channel that I was erronesly put there, and I was told I was taken off the moderated list an entire year ago | 22:04 |
| se7en | I have a bug report to send | 22:04 |
| se7en | Take me off the blacklist | 22:04 |
| jaromil | se7en: I received your email | 22:06 |
| jaromil | from the ml i mean | 22:06 |
| se7en | So am I on a blacklist or not | 22:06 |
| se7en | Yes, I just recieved it to | 22:06 |
| jaromil | you are not | 22:08 |
| jaromil | as far as I can recall, you were blacklisted for forwarding a spam mail to the list, marked as OT | 22:08 |
| se7en | That is true | 22:09 |
| jaromil | I guess you just wanted to crack a joke, perhaps bad timing | 22:09 |
| se7en | several years ago now | 22:09 |
| jaromil | but you showed also consciousness since it was marked OT | 22:09 |
| jaromil | yes unfortunately attending this sort of unpleasant chores is noone's ambition | 22:09 |
| jaromil | i use some cock.li related mails now and then and also use tor so your report email is very welcome | 22:10 |
| jaromil | my setup is based on my own wrapper "jaro mail" and i also use fetchmail | 22:10 |
| jaromil | but not procmail | 22:11 |
| jaromil | will try something perhaps i can give you some hints | 22:11 |
| se7en | thank you | 22:11 |
| jaromil | my guess is that you are facing two different problems, one related to permissions and wrappers (mutt_dotlock) | 22:13 |
| jaromil | and one to fetchmail access to the mail spool as you point out | 22:14 |
| jaromil | i recommend migrating from /var/spool to a maildir in your own user directory | 22:15 |
| jaromil | perhaps that can sort out both issues | 22:15 |
| se7en | Could work, though I want to use that spool | 22:18 |
| se7en | jaromil: I just tested something and can say with certinty it is not my spool | 22:25 |
| se7en | I just torified mutt, and then ran it with my alternative muttrc for a different account. This one is pure mutt retrieving from the IMAP, no local save | 22:25 |
| se7en | It produces the same errors | 22:25 |
| jaromil | just mutt? no fetchmail / procmail involved then? | 22:26 |
| se7en | I must go now. Any new developments put into the ML since I won't be here. Thank you. | 22:26 |
| se7en | Well, fetchmail itself has issues | 22:26 |
| se7en | It seems the mutt issue and the fetchmai lissue are just coincidental to occur at the same time | 22:26 |
| jaromil | ok well... also mutt in my experience... gpg integration and such | 22:26 |
| se7en | Always torified | 22:26 |
| se7en | I will see you later | 22:26 |
| jaromil | ok, ciao | 22:26 |
| Hund | jaromil: Why can't I see who you're talking to? | 23:34 |
| golinux | Maybe you have them on ignore | 23:39 |
| Hund | No. | 23:40 |
| jaromil | strange. I was talking to se7en | 23:41 |
| jaromil | he is not a freenode registered user, FWIW | 23:41 |
| golinux | Can you see it here? http://maemo.cloud-7.de/irclogs/freenode/ | 23:43 |
| Hund | golinux: Yes. Weird. | 23:45 |
| golinux | Maybe some other filtering on your end? | 23:46 |
| Hund | No. I checked. :) I'm not saying it's not me though. | 23:46 |
| MinceR | unidentified users are silenced (there's $~a on the +q list), but i can't tell why some people can see what they're saying | 23:46 |
| MinceR | (or maybe that entry uses incorrect syntax and actually does nothing) | 23:47 |
| Hund | Ah | 23:48 |
| jaromil | I'm the channel founder so maybe that? | 23:51 |
| jaromil | but then the archiving both and anyone else would not see it also | 23:51 |
| golinux | I think I have ops here too. Maybe that's why | 23:52 |
| golinux | So does joerg. | 23:53 |
| MinceR | would every ircd keep consulting the access list? seems doubtful | 23:53 |
| MinceR | seemed to me they've gone to some ends to avoid having to do that and rely on modes instead | 23:53 |
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