Nematocyst | today's dbus update clobbered slim login manager. this happened last dbus update too, solved then by 'chmod +x /usr/lib/dbus-1.0/dbus-daemon-launch-helper. this time, the slim log reports that file's permissions wrong and it fails. startx works fine after login from terminal. I need to solve whatever permissions issues the repackaged dbus are exposing so this never happens again | 00:26 |
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Nematocyst | i have switched login managers and that works, but there's still a permission problem because no options to shut down exist (greyed out) | 00:27 |
Xenguy | https://paste.debian.net/hidden/3f3c81f8/ | 01:11 |
Xenguy | ^^ Getting some apt-get upgrade errors ATM | 01:11 |
Xenguy | Can I safely switch my mirrors to some alternative? | 01:12 |
fsmithred | Xenguy, yeah, I think so. The main repos are working. | 01:14 |
fsmithred | or try the same one again in a little while | 01:15 |
Xenguy | fsmithred: Would pkgmaster be alright to use? | 01:18 |
fsmithred | yeah, I just ran an update and both pkgmaster and packages are working | 01:18 |
fsmithred | also deb.devuan is working here | 01:18 |
fsmithred | I don't know what mirror I'm hitting | 01:18 |
Xenguy | Thanks, I prefer to err on the side of caution when it comes to updates | 01:19 |
fsmithred | Xenguy, you might want to wait | 01:21 |
Xenguy | Why's that? | 01:21 |
Jjp137 | yeah I was about to ask about that dbus update... | 01:21 |
fsmithred | Nematocyst, I guess you got an un-devuanized version of dbus | 01:22 |
Xenguy | ? | 01:22 |
fsmithred | Jjp137, did you have trouble? | 01:22 |
Jjp137 | I didn't install it | 01:22 |
Jjp137 | I saw the version number and the current version and thought "wait a minute" | 01:23 |
Xenguy | Jjp137: Glad you managed to dodge a bullet | 01:23 |
Nematocyst | fsmithred, interesting. from my apt logs, that looks possible (un-devuanized) dbus-x11:amd64 (1.10.28-0+deb9u1), libdbus-1-3:amd64 (1.10.28-0+deb9u1), libdbus-1-3:i386 (1.10.28-0+deb9u1), dbus:amd64 (1.10.28-0+deb9u1), libdbus-1-dev:amd64 (1.10.28-0+deb9u1). would they be foo+dev9u1? | 01:24 |
fsmithred | *** 1.10.22-1+devuan2 500 | 01:25 |
fsmithred | 500 http://pkgmaster.devuan.org/merged ascii/main amd64 Packages | 01:25 |
fsmithred | 1.10.28-0+deb9u1 500 | 01:25 |
fsmithred | 500 http://pkgmaster.devuan.org/merged ascii-security/main amd64 Packages | 01:25 |
Nematocyst | awesome. so why is that happening? | 01:25 |
fsmithred | I don't know if anything is in place to hold those packages until we fix them | 01:26 |
Xenguy | Weird. Alright, I'll hold off on the update. Thanks for the advice fsmithred | 01:27 |
fsmithred | check to see what else you would get. You might want some. | 01:29 |
fsmithred | firefox-esr | 01:29 |
Xenguy | Did exim get updated, do you know? | 01:31 |
Xenguy | For Ascii? | 01:31 |
Xenguy | There was some major vulnerability is all I know | 01:31 |
Nematocyst | there were exim updates that day, yes. i assume for that vuln | 01:32 |
Jjp137 | the version you should have is 4.89-2+deb9u4 | 01:32 |
fsmithred | Jjp137, version of what? | 01:33 |
Xenguy | fsmithred: The following packages will be upgraded: | 01:33 |
fsmithred | oh, exim | 01:33 |
Xenguy | dbus dbus-x11 libdbus-1-3 | 01:33 |
fsmithred | that's your whole list? | 01:33 |
Xenguy | Yep | 01:33 |
fsmithred | wait | 01:33 |
Xenguy | kk | 01:33 |
fsmithred | you upgrade pretty frequently? | 01:34 |
Xenguy | Yep, every day mostly | 01:34 |
Nematocyst | fsmithred, ok, so I can tell via: 'apt list --upgradable' for dbus, it looks like. seeing deb9u1 in this case as opposed to devuan2, is a red flag to wait. right? | 01:41 |
fsmithred | Nematocyst, yes that is correct | 01:41 |
Xenguy | Good to know | 01:47 |
Xenguy | Thanks folks | 01:47 |
Xenguy | .oO( The advantages of IRC ... ) | 01:47 |
fsmithred | instant gratification | 01:48 |
fsmithred | 13 CVE's got fixed in this firefox-esr | 01:49 |
fsmithred | has anyone read them already and can give me the short version? | 01:50 |
Xenguy | Not I, said the Little Ren Hen | 01:53 |
Xenguy | *Red | 01:53 |
fsmithred | I just skimmed them. My favorite is a race condition in the crash report generator. | 01:55 |
fsmithred | but then, when I was in kindergarden, I drew a picture of a firehouse on fire. | 01:55 |
fsmithred | and several have to do with javascript | 01:56 |
Xenguy | fsmithred: I like the meta | 03:14 |
Evilham | https://github.com/reyk/systemd-openbsd | 11:31 |
Walex | Evilham: "and so it begins..." :-) | 11:33 |
Evilham | make sure you check the README | 11:33 |
djph | I might actually have to run *BSD now | 12:41 |
detha | nothing wrong with that, but why 'have to' ? | 12:52 |
onefang | Cool, it supports SCTP. B-) | 13:02 |
djph | detha: because of this game https://github.com/reyk/systemd-openbsd | 13:38 |
detha | ah. I play that game another way: severely under-resource openbsd, and see what comes crashing down because someone forgot to check the result of malloc() | 13:40 |
djph | hahahaha | 13:52 |
nemo | anyone here happen to know what happened to https://without-systemd.org ? | 14:18 |
nemo | looks like db didn't start | 14:18 |
nemo | maybe a mysql upgrade config change followed by reboot? ☺ | 14:19 |
MinceR | 14 113126 < Evilham> https://github.com/reyk/systemd-openbsd | 19:30 |
MinceR | lol | 19:30 |
g4570n | o.O | 19:48 |
jiefk | Guys, I'm installing Devuan on a friend's PC (Intel Pentium Core, 3GB RAM, 500GB HDD, Integrated Intel chipset) | 21:20 |
jiefk | I'm installing KDE Desktop Env. and when I right-click on the desktop > Configure Desktop, I end upon the Wallpaper dialog, which takes a very loooong time to load. Others windows, say in System Settings, load with some time, but quite faster. | 21:23 |
jiefk | I installed iotop, and htop to try to see things, but no, there is no HDD nor CPU activity at all. | 21:23 |
fsmithred | how much ram is used? | 21:24 |
jiefk | At this very moment, Wallpaper still loads and iotop shows nothing. | 21:24 |
fsmithred | that doesn't sound right. | 21:24 |
fsmithred | kde is a resource hog, but it shouldn't be that bad | 21:24 |
jiefk | fsmithred: at this moment, about 500MB | 21:25 |
MinceR | kde went to shit long ago | 21:25 |
fsmithred | there may be some desktop stuff in the background that you could get rid of | 21:25 |
jiefk | I don('t know what to do next . | 21:26 |
fsmithred | well, I wasn't going to say that, but yeah | 21:26 |
fsmithred | check to see what startup apps are enabled, and maybe remove a few | 21:26 |
fsmithred | would your friend like to use xfce? | 21:26 |
system32 | Kir desktop environment >> kde | 21:26 |
jiefk | yeah I'll try that thanks. MinceR : KDE is still pretty :) (I personnally prefer it over gnome :p) | 21:27 |
fsmithred | not much gnome around these parts | 21:27 |
system32 | (dont google kir btw) | 21:27 |
jiefk | "pretty" as it gives a good first impression to Linux newcomers :) | 21:27 |
system32 | it looks like something from 2006 | 21:28 |
MinceR | well, sure, gnome is even worse | 21:28 |
MinceR | gnome3 tries to force systemd on users; kde5 also attempted something similar | 21:29 |
MinceR | also, with 4.x kde's focus shifted from functionality and reliability to bling | 21:29 |
MinceR | this resulted in a plasma which would regularly wipe its own settings | 21:29 |
system32 | lol | 21:29 |
system32 | so kir fits it perfectly | 21:29 |
system32 | Do not - i repeat - Do not google kir | 21:30 |
jiefk | "You have reached Kids Internet Radio (KIR.org)" ... | 21:39 |
jiefk | Do you have a link ? :) | 21:39 |
jiefk | system32: ^ | 21:39 |
system32 | what | 21:43 |
system32 | lol | 21:43 |
system32 | kir translates to ==D in english | 21:44 |
system32 | u happy now? | 21:45 |
jiefk | Well not much, my KdE install seems a bit flaky on this machine :/ Could it be due to some missing firmware or driver ? | 21:46 |
system32 | no . imeant do you know what kir means now? | 21:47 |
fsmithred | that would usually be with wireless or graphics | 21:47 |
system32 | ==D desktop environment | 21:47 |
jiefk | FTR, this PC had a Vista-upgraded-to-seven install before | 21:48 |
fsmithred | I'm running on a 2005 athlon X2 right now | 21:48 |
fsmithred | with 2G ram | 21:48 |
fsmithred | but xfce, not kde | 21:48 |
system32 | so devuan is exactly like debian without systemd or there are other differences too? | 21:49 |
fsmithred | how did you install kde? | 21:49 |
jiefk | Yeah, I just installed XFCE, a bit more snapy, but not as "beautiful" :/ | 21:49 |
fsmithred | lol | 21:49 |
MinceR | even xfce has degraded a lot recently | 21:49 |
fsmithred | it works, though | 21:49 |
jiefk | fsmithred: apt install task-kde-desktop | 21:49 |
MinceR | on one of my vm-s, it won't even start anymore | 21:49 |
system32 | use a CLI | 21:49 |
MinceR | as a quick fix, i switched it to icewm | 21:50 |
fsmithred | yeah, so you should really turn off some of the background stuff | 21:50 |
fsmithred | I don't remember the names | 21:50 |
jiefk | I turned off everything =) | 21:50 |
fsmithred | I want to say Nipmuk, but that's a Native American tribe. | 21:50 |
jiefk | Also, pulseaudio does not start at (session) boot | 21:55 |
fsmithred | sorry, I don't do pulseaudio | 21:55 |
jiefk | I can add a command on the KDE settings, sure, but is there a more general way (system-wide I would say) | 21:55 |
fsmithred | well, last I encountered it, it restarts itself every time you kill it | 21:56 |
fsmithred | but maybe in your desktop startups there's a way to enable it | 21:56 |
fsmithred | yesterday the conversation here was about replacing it with volumeicon-alsa and alsamixergui | 21:56 |
jiefk | I can't say I like alsamixer-gui, but I don't know about volumeicon-alsa, Might try this and remove pulseaudio then :p | 21:58 |
fsmithred | it's just a speaker icon for the taksbar. One volume control, you can select which channel it controls. | 21:58 |
fsmithred | and you'll need to add it to the startup apps | 21:59 |
fsmithred | and you'll need to remove PA, which may or may not be simple. | 22:00 |
jiefk | Upon further investigations (?!), it seems that windows that present large buttons with previews inside (like wallpaper chooser or desktop-theme chooser) have a serious performance issue on this computer. | 22:05 |
jiefk | Oh it seems plasmashell crashed :/ | 22:07 |
fsmithred | ok, somewhere in the setting you can turn down or off the desktop effects | 22:13 |
jiefk | yup already off --every plugins . | 22:14 |
fsmithred | you might do better with a leaner kde install. You installed the meta-meta-package | 22:15 |
fsmithred | or add more cores | 22:15 |
MinceR | or with a less broken DE | 22:18 |
fsmithred | hey, I installed kde for a friend on a new laptop, and it worked fine | 22:18 |
MinceR | i used kde and it worked fine | 22:18 |
fsmithred | I was surprised | 22:18 |
MinceR | but that was kde 3.5 | 22:19 |
fsmithred | lol, yeah, I liked that | 22:19 |
fsmithred | although it used to crash on me after about two weeks of being on | 22:19 |
fsmithred | jiefk, in my experience, people who don't know linux are more impressed with the speed of xfce than they are with the glitz of kde. | 22:25 |
fsmithred | if your friend already knows kde and wants to use some kde apps, install lxqt plus those apps | 22:28 |
jiefk | Guys, thanks for all the tips, Guess I'll go to bed for now, G'night and thanks again :) | 22:39 |
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