| Xenguy | AEonFyr: Did you find a solution to the rogue dbus install? | 01:15 |
|---|---|---|
| AEonFyr | Xenguy: Yes, provided that you have the previous .debs still available locally, just: | 07:24 |
| AEonFyr | dpkg --force-downgrade -i /var/cache/apt/archives/libdbus-1-3_1.10.22-1+devuan2_amd64.deb | 07:24 |
| AEonFyr | dpkg --force-downgrade -i /var/cache/apt/archives/dbus_1.10.22-1+devuan2_amd64.deb | 07:24 |
| AEonFyr | And if they came in via the unattended-upgrades package, remove it and hold it to stop it installing again: | 07:25 |
| AEonFyr | apt-mark hold unattended-upgrades | 07:25 |
| Wonka | any idea when firefox 67.0.4 will be available in Devuan? | 10:45 |
| fsmithred | 60.7.1esr-1~deb9u1 500 | 11:05 |
| fsmithred | 500 http://auto.mirror.devuan.org/merged ascii-security/main amd64 Packages | 11:05 |
| xinomilo | release files on repos are stuck in 17/6. no updates coming in. (?) | 11:05 |
| fsmithred | correct. Use auto.mirror.devuan.org for now. | 11:06 |
| xinomilo | ok, & firefox 67.0.4 is there :) | 11:10 |
| fsmithred | where are you guys getting that number? | 11:13 |
| gnarface | i see 67.0.2 in ceres | 11:13 |
| sixwheeledbeast^ | look like pretty critical updates | 11:14 |
| xinomilo | apt policy firefox | 11:14 |
| xinomilo | firefox: | 11:14 |
| xinomilo | Installed: 67.0.4-1 | 11:14 |
| xinomilo | Candidate: 67.0.4-1 | 11:14 |
| xinomilo | Version table: | 11:14 |
| xinomilo | *** 67.0.4-1 500 | 11:14 |
| xinomilo | 500 http://auto.mirror.devuan.org/merged ceres/main amd64 Packages | 11:14 |
| gnarface | interesting | 11:14 |
| gnarface | that's because auto.mirror is more updated right now? | 11:15 |
| xinomilo | gnarface, switch repo as fsmithred wrote | 11:15 |
| xinomilo | yes | 11:15 |
| fsmithred | how did they jump from 60 to 67? | 11:15 |
| gnarface | fsmithred: firefox-esr in ascii is still 60.* | 11:15 |
| gnarface | the other one has been steadily progressing but requires rust, which isn't in stretch i guess? ... i recall vaguely after being over this twice before | 11:17 |
| gnarface | rust didn't make the stretch freeze | 11:17 |
| fsmithred | O | 11:18 |
| fsmithred | I'm still not seeing 67 | 11:19 |
| fsmithred | 60.7.2esr-1 50 | 11:19 |
| fsmithred | 50 http://auto.mirror.devuan.org/merged ceres/main amd64 Packages | 11:19 |
| gnarface | odd | 11:20 |
| gnarface | although that's esr | 11:20 |
| gnarface | not the regular firefox package | 11:20 |
| gnarface | they are both in ceres | 11:20 |
| fsmithred | oh yeah, forgot about the non-esr | 11:21 |
| fsmithred | I see it now | 11:22 |
| fsmithred | time to go back to lynx | 11:23 |
| nemo | fsmithred: I have 10 devuan machines I'd have to switch | 15:44 |
| nemo | fsmithred: it's kind of a pain | 15:44 |
| nemo | fsmithred: is that repo permanently dead? | 15:44 |
| nemo | is there any ETA for its unstuckness? is the person who volunteered to watch over it aware of the issue? | 15:45 |
| nemo | fsmithred: oh... and could the mirror at least be manually synced once to pick up the critical firefox patch? | 16:00 |
| _abc_ | Is firefox in ascii updates already updated for the latest bugfix? CVE-2019-11707, CVE-2019-11708 ? | 17:26 |
| _abc_ | Firefox ESR 60.7.2 and Firefox 67.0.4 apparently fix this. I am on a previous version. | 17:26 |
| gnarface | _abc_: if you don't see it yet in deb.devuan.org, try auto.mirror.devuan.org again i guess. that's what i heard anyway. | 17:39 |
| _abc_ | I don't know how to search in there. What is amprolla.txt? Full index? | 17:41 |
| golinux | nemo: Anything can be done. It just takes someone to do it. | 17:44 |
| * _abc_ hopes firefox can open a 19mb text file | 17:44 | |
| golinux | Goo luck with that. I think that file contains the logs | 17:45 |
| golinux | There has already been a request to truncate it. | 17:45 |
| _abc_ | It seems to work. Yes it is not what I need. No ls-lR.txt ? | 17:45 |
| golinux | so save your breath. | 17:45 |
| _abc_ | ascii-security or ascii-updates? | 17:46 |
| golinux | Probably ascii-security | 17:46 |
| _abc_ | Seriously, ls-lR.txt is an institution since the 1990s at least. Why not? | 17:46 |
| golinux | Gotta run. bbl | 17:47 |
| _abc_ | Thanks | 17:47 |
| nemo | golinux: sure. I just was wondering if it was in process, or if the server is hopeless | 17:48 |
| nemo | golinux: and I should set aside time to transition everyone before they get hacked | 17:48 |
| nemo | (basically myself, 2 coworkers I installed devuan on, and a few servers (low priority because obviously no one's running firefox on them 99.9% of the time) | 17:49 |
| nemo | ) | 17:49 |
| * _abc_ will be back later with the same question, not having found what he was looking for | 17:50 | |
| Evilham | abc: which question exactly? | 17:51 |
| Evilham | sigh gone | 17:51 |
| golinux | Evilham: <nemo> [08:45:31] is there any ETA for its unstuckness? is the person who volunteered to watch over it aware of the issue? | 18:21 |
| golinux | My response: nemo: Anything can be done. It just takes someone to do it. | 18:21 |
| Evilham | it looked like abc was talking about sth different | 18:22 |
| Evilham | in any case, indeed someone should fix the security bits, the log files shouldn't have anything to do with that | 18:23 |
| fsmithred | nemo, no pkgmaster is not permanently dead. Change sources on one machine to auto.mirror.devuan.org and download the package to install on the other machines. | 20:53 |
| fsmithred | I don't know when it's going to be fixed. | 20:54 |
| jelly | wasn't auto.mirror.devuan.org the site with outdated https certs the other day? | 20:55 |
| nemo | hm | 20:56 |
| nemo | fsmithred: can I just grab the .deb off of debian maybe? | 20:56 |
| stiltr | Is it possible to reroute the DNS in the mean time? (auto.mirror. -> pgkmaster.) | 20:56 |
| nemo | might be easier | 20:56 |
| fsmithred | yes, it's the same deb | 20:56 |
| nemo | ok | 20:56 |
| nemo | fetching | 20:56 |
| nemo | http://security.debian.org/debian-security/pool/updates/main/f/firefox-esr/firefox-esr_60.7.1esr-1~deb9u1_amd64.deb | 20:58 |
| nemo | this one right | 20:58 |
| stiltr | That looks like the latest one per https://packages.debian.org/stretch/firefox-esr | 20:58 |
| Evilham | yup | 20:58 |
| fsmithred | yeah | 20:58 |
| fsmithred | for ascii | 20:59 |
| weedloser | Will OpenRC be fully supported in beowulf? And perhaps other init systems? | 21:00 |
| stiltr | Isn't it already? (I haven't tried yet) | 21:01 |
| specing | it works | 21:01 |
| fsmithred | weedloser, what do you mean by 'fully supported'? | 21:03 |
| fsmithred | you can choose it in expert install (in ascii) | 21:04 |
| fsmithred | or you can add it later | 21:04 |
| weedloser | Oh yeah, I guess i was wrong there. | 21:04 |
| fsmithred | and people are working on s6 | 21:04 |
| weedloser | That's great news. | 21:06 |
| weedloser | Where can i see the progress? | 21:06 |
| fsmithred | I'll check | 21:06 |
| fsmithred | I think this is the right one: http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/pipermail/debian-init-diversity/ | 21:09 |
| stiltr | Hey, isn't that the putty guy? | 21:10 |
| fsmithred | I don't know | 21:11 |
| stiltr | https://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~sgtatham/putty/ : ) | 21:12 |
| palinuro | <weedloser "Will OpenRC be fully supported i"> i am using openrc on beowulf right now and it works | 21:16 |
| OmegaPhil | yep | 21:16 |
| fsmithred | I've made live isos with openrc and they work | 21:16 |
| palinuro | how often are the beowulf repositories synchronized with debian? | 21:26 |
| fsmithred | looks like every 5 minutes in the log | 21:37 |
| fsmithred | or maybe less on pkgmaster | 21:38 |
| roarde | Is kfreebsd still a thing? | 21:43 |
| drawkula | https://www.ports.debian.org/ | 21:45 |
| roarde | thanks! | 21:45 |
| drawkula | maybe therir moving to that site made them look silent or absent | 21:46 |
| roarde | But how can that relate to devuan? I'm new here. | 21:46 |
| fsmithred | Debian GNU/kFreeBSD is not an officially supported architecture. It has been released with Debian 6.0 (Squeeze) and 7.0 (Wheezy) as a technology preview and the first non-Linux port. Since Debian 8 (Jessie) it is though no more included in official releases. | 21:46 |
| fsmithred | there's a mailing list and irc channel | 21:47 |
| MinceR | they claim it has nothing to do with systemd not being able to run on the FreeBSD kernel | 21:47 |
| fsmithred | it could relate to devuan if | 21:48 |
| fsmithred | huh? | 21:48 |
| MinceR | but systemd people are well known to be liars | 21:48 |
| drawkula | they planned to have a netbsd kernel based debian too... back in the stoneage... unluckily this one died... being netbsd based would have covered much mor platforms... :-( | 21:48 |
| fsmithred | anyway, someone could make a devuan kfreebsd if they wanted to | 21:48 |
| MinceR | we don't even have manpower to have a libsystemd-free openssh-server, do we? | 21:49 |
| fsmithred | in beowulf, libelogind0 replaces libsystemd0 | 21:49 |
| MinceR | well, that's a step forward | 21:50 |
| fsmithred | easier to have that than to have to repackage everything that wants lsd0 | 21:50 |
| roarde | I've learned that NetBSD doesn't really cover the platforms it "covers". FreeBSD is closer to that, in practical terms. | 21:50 |
| roarde | I was a long-time follower of nbsd. Took quite a while for that to sink in. | 21:51 |
| jonadab | Is there an easier solution to the "current netinstall CD initially boots fine on this system, but then changes video modes and everything dies" problem, than trying various old prior-version netinstall CDs until one works, then upgrading through the intervening versions to current stable? | 21:51 |
| fsmithred | jonadab, what happens when it changes? | 21:52 |
| jonadab | fsmithred: The display appears scrambled. | 21:53 |
| fsmithred | right, I've seen that | 21:53 |
| jonadab | You can tell the system is still running, using the arrow keys to move up and down the menu changes the display in predictable ways. | 21:53 |
| fsmithred | have you tried setting the resolution at the grub menu? | 21:53 |
| jonadab | You can do that? | 21:53 |
| fsmithred | yes | 21:53 |
| jonadab | Booting from a netinstall CD? | 21:54 |
| fsmithred | yes | 21:54 |
| jonadab | Interesting, that might help. | 21:54 |
| fsmithred | I have to do that on one laptop | 21:54 |
| fsmithred | at menu, press e | 21:54 |
| fsmithred | to edit the boot entry | 21:54 |
| fsmithred | arrow down a couple lines to the empty space | 21:54 |
| fsmithred | and add: | 21:54 |
| fsmithred | set gfxpayload=<your favorite res> | 21:54 |
| fsmithred | then ctrl-x to boot | 21:55 |
| jonadab | Is there a way to get it to just use 80x24 CGA text mode? | 21:55 |
| fsmithred | for me, 1366x768 is the magic number | 21:55 |
| fsmithred | not sure about that | 21:55 |
| fsmithred | try it my way, and if it doesn't work, complain to me | 21:56 |
| jonadab | Ok. | 21:56 |
| jonadab | There are worse things in the universe than graphical install, I guess. | 21:56 |
| fsmithred | oh, don't do graphical install | 21:57 |
| fsmithred | it sucks | 21:57 |
| jonadab | Ah. | 21:57 |
| fsmithred | you have to keep going from mouse to keyboard | 21:57 |
| fsmithred | arrows and tab FTW | 21:57 |
| jonadab | Didn't realize your way would work with rthe other install. | 21:57 |
| fsmithred | what size is your screen? | 21:58 |
| jonadab | I've got several different monitors available. | 21:59 |
| fsmithred | so just use the optimum for each. I think you'll like it. | 22:00 |
| jonadab | Hmm. 1366x768 and 1280x1024 seem wrong. /me tries 800x600 | 22:00 |
| fsmithred | that's the one that kills my screen | 22:00 |
| fsmithred | 640x480 works, but it's ugly | 22:01 |
| jonadab | Yeah, that does exactly the same graphical glitch as not editing the line at all. | 22:01 |
| * jonadab tries 640x480. | 22:02 | |
| fsmithred | try next one up | 22:02 |
| jonadab | This only ever happens with isolinux. | 22:02 |
| * jonadab wonders if it's something to do with assumptions about which memory addresses are video memory. | 22:02 | |
| fsmithred | oh, not with grub? | 22:02 |
| jonadab | Booting from the netinstall CD. | 22:03 |
| fsmithred | I'm not sure if I'd get it with isolinux - the laptop in question is set for uefi | 22:03 |
| jonadab | Says Isolinux 6.03 before bringing up the boot menu. | 22:04 |
| fsmithred | ok, I'd believe what it says there | 22:04 |
| jonadab | At bottom, "Press ENTER to boot or TAB to edit a menu entry." | 22:04 |
| fsmithred | yeah | 22:04 |
| fsmithred | tab, isolinux | 22:04 |
| fsmithred | I think you can use the old vga= with isolinux | 22:04 |
| jonadab | vga=1024x768 or whatever? | 22:05 |
| fsmithred | no | 22:05 |
| fsmithred | vga=791 | 22:05 |
| fsmithred | or 788 | 22:05 |
| jonadab | Ah. | 22:05 |
| * jonadab tries one of those. | 22:06 | |
| fsmithred | one of those is 1024x768 which should work on just about any monitor that still works | 22:06 |
| jonadab | The hardware in question is quite new, incidentally. | 22:07 |
| jonadab | Though I've seen this issue for years, on hardware of basically all vintages. | 22:07 |
| jonadab | Well, all vintages since Pentium. | 22:07 |
| jonadab | AH, I see that vga=788 was the prebuilt line. | 22:08 |
| jonadab | And 791 appears to be doing better. | 22:08 |
| fsmithred | cool | 22:08 |
| jonadab | Yes, that is way better. | 22:08 |
| jonadab | Thank you. | 22:08 |
| fsmithred | yw | 22:08 |
| fsmithred | I have a long love/hate relationship with the debian installer | 22:09 |
| jonadab | Yeah. | 22:09 |
| jonadab | Wanna guess what OS I consider to be the easiest to install? | 22:09 |
| jonadab | (Hint: it's old.) | 22:10 |
| MinceR | one that fits in the boot sector | 22:10 |
| jonadab | Heh. | 22:10 |
| jonadab | That's probably even better. | 22:11 |
| jonadab | I was gonna say DOS. | 22:11 |
| MinceR | i wrote one called mini-windows which consisted of 2 bytes in the boot sector :> | 22:11 |
| MinceR | (cli and hlt instructions) | 22:11 |
| jonadab | Heh. | 22:12 |
| jonadab | The thing about DOS was you could literally just copy the files into place by hand, from a bootable floppy. | 22:12 |
| jonadab | From a 360k floppy even, if it was PC-DOS 3.3. | 22:13 |
| jonadab | I think DOS 5 and 6 didn't fit on 360k though. | 22:13 |
| MinceR | you would also need to "make it bootable", though | 22:13 |
| jonadab | Right, yes, you had to format it bootable first. | 22:13 |
| Taters | the bios, jonadab | 22:14 |
| jonadab | Taters: Yeah, but only old-school BIOS. UEFI is a nightmare. | 22:14 |
| Taters | but hey, easiest os to install is the one that comes preinstalled | 22:14 |
| jonadab | Eh, that's usually Windows, and it tends to need to be _reinstalled_ every couple of years, if you let normal users touch it. | 22:15 |
| Taters | that's bait | 22:15 |
| jonadab | Though putting them in a Limited account helps with that. | 22:15 |
| fsmithred | guys... | 22:19 |
| fsmithred | OT | 22:19 |
| roarde | Anyone used FreeBSD ports on devuan or debian? | 22:21 |
| jonadab | fsmithred: Sorry, yeah. | 22:28 |
| fsmithred | thanks | 22:29 |
| javashin | hello | 22:30 |
| javashin | on devuan chromium uses vaapi patches for video decoding ? | 22:30 |
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