ba55 | hey all | 02:10 |
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ba55 | any info on when Beowulf stable will release? | 02:10 |
gnarface | ba55: i don't think there is official word on that yet | 03:49 |
fsmithred | maybe we'll have a beta soon | 03:59 |
gnarface | someone already put up a release candidate for the installer iso somewhere didn't they? or did i dream that? | 04:11 |
Xenguy | gnarface: If you dreamnt it, it could happen | 04:11 |
fsmithred | there was a mini.iso a month or two ago, I think | 04:20 |
helios21 | systemd's approach to needing randomness during boot is just so broken: https://daniel-lange.com/archives/152-hello-buster.html | 11:27 |
helios21 | just booting my Devuan servers with random.trust_cpu=off now, as sysvinit does not need no randomness this early in bott | 11:33 |
helios21 | boot | 11:33 |
Luddit | Hello @all, pls where where can I find information about the publication (release) date of Beowulf ? Thx in advance | 11:38 |
gnarface | there isn't official word yet afaik | 11:39 |
gnarface | if you're impatient, you don't necessarily have to wait for the release to use beowulf though... | 11:40 |
Luddit | oh, like "the mother" (debian) back then: it comes out who it's finished (stable) with ;-) | 11:41 |
gnarface | yes, and you're welcome to help if you are able | 11:42 |
gnarface | but i'm not someone who you need to talk to for that, i don't work here | 11:42 |
gnarface | i could help walk you through upgrading to belowulf from a minimal ascii install though | 11:43 |
Luddit | @gnarface: i quest not for install. maybe i will make a release party (more dev1 PR) ;-) or similar | 11:43 |
gnarface | if you search around you can probably find a partial todo list the devs have put together | 11:44 |
Luddit | ok, dev-ml | 11:44 |
Luddit | I'll be I'm talking ... ;-) | 11:45 |
gnarface | yea, that would be a good place to start probably. i think they're putting a call out for an inventory of broken packages | 11:45 |
Luddit | gnarface : good idea, maybe on a VM. i will write about dist upgrade / migration ( and mayby i can put the article to a GER linux-magazin) | 11:47 |
Luddit | all i need to know ;-) => https://lists.dyne.org/lurker/message/20190511.131423.a99e5d4b.en.html (anyway, thanks for the info) | 11:55 |
FatPhil | any advice for a laptop user (yes, that laptop) who wants to be connected to both nfs and sshfs mounts, but who can't guarantee a continuous eth0 or wlan0 connection? | 12:02 |
gnarface | do you expect frequent unscheduled outages? | 12:03 |
FatPhil | time will tell, just got a report that wlan0 disappeared. | 12:04 |
gnarface | oh i see | 12:04 |
FatPhil | I upected that the rfkill key might have been hit | 12:04 |
FatPhil | that will be investigated. so I suggested just falling back onto good old fashioned eth0 | 12:05 |
gnarface | wires are much easier to control than radio signals | 12:07 |
gnarface | if you're using network mounts just within your LAN, it's possible just switching to eth0 is enough | 12:08 |
FatPhil | yeah, I prefer wires too, it's just that sometimes the bugger will want to move e.g. to plug it into the projector. | 12:27 |
omnio | Hi, I noticed that even when udev is not running there are some "static" files in /dev, is it ok to backup a running install with rsync and just exclude /dev (among other dirs to be excluded)? Why are those files there when udev is not running? | 12:33 |
omnio | there are just a few files in /dev: fd full nullptmx pts random shmstderrstdin stdout tty urandom zero | 12:33 |
gnarface | FatPhil: some brief googling suggests maybe try this: nfs.client.mount.options = intr,locallocks,nfc | 12:36 |
gnarface | FatPhil: check the mount_nfs(8) manpage for more info | 12:37 |
gnarface | you should be able to get nfs to respond more gracefully to temporary disruptions | 12:40 |
gnarface | you'll probably sacrifice some system load or performance somewhere for it | 12:40 |
gnarface | but maybe not much with modern hardware | 12:40 |
fsmithred | would autofs be helpful for FatPhil? | 12:43 |
gnarface | maybe? | 12:45 |
FatPhil | I vaguely remember autofs from the '90s | 12:46 |
James1138 | Question about upgrade Devuan from "Stretch" to "Buster"... would the info in this link work? https://linuxize.com/post/how-to-upgrade-debian-9-stretch-to-debian-10-buster/ | 15:54 |
fsmithred | James1138, this guide is relevant: https://devuan.org/os/documentation/dev1fanboy/migrate-to-ascii | 16:21 |
fsmithred | what desktop do you have? | 16:21 |
James1138 | xfce | 16:41 |
fsmithred | ok, that shouldn't be too bad | 16:43 |
James1138 | I thought ASCII was "stretch"? | 16:43 |
fsmithred | it is | 16:43 |
fsmithred | there aren't any guides for going from stretch to buster | 16:44 |
fsmithred | yet | 16:44 |
fsmithred | but the basic procedure should still be about the same | 16:44 |
James1138 | What would "Buster" be referred to when the time comes?? | 16:44 |
fsmithred | install sysvinit-core | 16:44 |
fsmithred | beowulf | 16:44 |
James1138 | okay | 16:44 |
fsmithred | do apt-autoremove | 16:44 |
fsmithred | reboot into sysvinit | 16:44 |
fsmithred | change sources to devuan, update, dist-upgrade | 16:45 |
fsmithred | might be some rough spots. I haven't tried it yet. | 16:45 |
James1138 | Just a thought... could someone make a youtube video of the upgrade to Beowulf for us common folk? | 16:45 |
fsmithred | sounds like a very boring video | 16:46 |
fsmithred | I did try buster to beowulf. The autoremove part proved to be crucial for success. | 16:46 |
fsmithred | after you boot into devuan you can install elogind and eudev if they're not already installed. | 16:47 |
fsmithred | James1138, I'm trying an upgrade of stretch with kde to beowulf. Getting devuan-keyring is a bit of a challenge, but other than that it seems to be going smoothly. | 20:06 |
James1138 | http://packages.roundr.devuan.org/devuan/pool/main/d/devuan-keyring/ | 20:13 |
fsmithred | yeah, that looks right. There's a .deb package in that dir | 20:14 |
fsmithred | you could also 'apt-get --allow-unauthenticated install devuan-keyring' | 20:14 |
fsmithred | otherwise, wget the package and dpkg -i ... | 20:15 |
fsmithred | dist-upgrade was smooth. I'm rebooting into beowulf (I think) now. | 20:17 |
fsmithred | I did not need to autoremove after installing sysvinit-core. Only a couple of unrelated packages were to be removed. | 20:20 |
fsmithred | Hm, reboot after 'apt dist-upgrade' using only devuan sources tells me I'm still running debian. 'apt-get dist-upgrade' shows me a long list of upgrades. I'm taking them. | 20:22 |
stiltr | That would make sense to me. Any packages that _need_ to be removed should be taken care of when sysvinit-core was installed. | 20:22 |
fsmithred | I'm not sure if apt and apt-get act differently, or if you just need to dist-upgrade twice. | 20:23 |
fsmithred | after the first one, only the same few packages were on the autoremove list | 20:23 |
stiltr | In theory, I think they should act the same. In practice...I've got no idea. | 20:23 |
fsmithred | same here | 20:24 |
fsmithred | looks like it's working now | 20:24 |
stiltr | Cool | 20:24 |
fsmithred | it would go faster if I paid attention and read the changelogs when they came up | 20:37 |
stiltr | :) | 20:41 |
fsmithred | after second dist-upgrade it says I'm in devuan, but I still need to get the new kernel, and it complains about a lot of packages when I try to install it. Rebooting... | 20:53 |
fsmithred | rebooted to cli login. System is more or less hosed. Can install anything, can't upgrade, can't --fix-broken install. | 20:58 |
stiltr | Woah. :( | 20:59 |
fsmithred | aptitude gives me some options, but I need to get back to that and read what it says. | 21:05 |
fsmithred | soon... | 21:05 |
stiltr | Good luck! | 21:05 |
fsmithred | aptitude says it can do it - remove dbus-user-session, install elogind and all the right backends and upgrade a thousand packages. | 21:34 |
stiltr | Huh, I wonder why apt can't do it. | 21:49 |
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