fsmithred | stiltr, James1138: it doesn't seem like aptitude can do it, either. I think the problem is that our metapackages are not ready. | 01:05 |
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James1138 | That is okay with me. I can wait. | 01:05 |
fsmithred | a simple window manager install or even a desktop that was installed in parts would work a lot better. I've done it with refracta, which was installed in parts. | 01:06 |
fsmithred | and uses elogind. | 01:06 |
fsmithred | I noticed that there's no consolekit in beowulf right now. | 01:06 |
stiltr | Oh ok. So the dependencies of the meta aren't there? | 01:07 |
fsmithred | yeah | 01:07 |
stiltr | I don't remember much about the release workflow... Are the packages actually missing in beowulf or just broken / wrong versions? | 01:10 |
fsmithred | either/both | 01:10 |
fsmithred | consolekit is missing. The backends for it are there. | 01:10 |
fsmithred | consolekit is in ceres | 01:11 |
fsmithred | I'm not sure what version of task-kde-desktop I have right now, but I'm pretty sure it's not right. | 01:11 |
fsmithred | still waiting for the fourth 'aptitude full-upgrade' to finish. | 01:13 |
stiltr | Why would it be in ascii and ceres, but not beowulf? | 01:17 |
fsmithred | newer versions go into ceres and then migrate down | 01:20 |
fsmithred | so an older version migrated from ceres to ascii over a year ago | 01:21 |
fsmithred | and nothing has gone into beowulf yet | 01:21 |
stiltr | Ah, I guess I'd assumed that beowulf would start with whatever ascii had. | 01:23 |
nminix | hi there all. I accidentally clicked "terminate playback" on one of the entries in Volume Control, and now i have no sound :( not sure which entry it was | 01:58 |
nminix | have tried shutting down, reinstalling pulseaudio | 01:59 |
nminix | it was muted :X thanks! | 02:07 |
gmcastil | so just noticed that the devuan ascii live USB hangs indefinitely if it is unable to mount one of the filesystems of the host system | 04:45 |
gnarface | gmcastil: i'm not sure what's causing that, but if it even hangs when you issue the mount command manually in a terminal window it could be a sign of hardware failure, and not necessarily a devuan specific issue (or even a new one for linux) | 04:48 |
gmcastil | the machine dual boots with windows 7 and i suspect something has corrupted the filesystem | 04:49 |
gmcastil | fsck says it was not cleanly unmounted | 04:51 |
gnarface | also sounds plausible | 04:51 |
gnarface | ext4? | 04:51 |
gmcastil | yes | 04:51 |
gnarface | just using too old of a version of the filesystem tools is known to corrupt ext4 silently and irreversibly | 04:53 |
gnarface | it isn't apparent right away... the filesystem slowly unravels itself over the course of the following minutes to days (depending on usage) | 04:53 |
furrywolf | speaking of which, the ascii installer's "mount" can't do ext4 unless you specify -t ext4. which is surely a bug. but, given as beowulf should be ready real soon now... | 04:54 |
gnarface | hmm. the "mount" in the ascii installer, wouldn't that be part of busybox shell? | 04:56 |
gmcastil | yes | 04:56 |
gnarface | i don't actually know whether that is expected behavior for busybox or not | 04:57 |
gmcastil | i get an (initramfs) as a prompt and an ash shell along with some business about busybox | 04:57 |
gmcastil | it actually didnt hang - is just tried and failed to mount the fs a few hundred times and then dropped me to a shell prompt | 04:57 |
furrywolf | I think it's part of why it can't find firmware. one of the many issues with why it can't find firmware. of course, it doesn't find firmware with other filesystems either... | 04:58 |
gmcastil | so fsck.ext4 /dev/my_root_fs fixed a bunch of problems and it booted this time | 04:58 |
gmcastil | i somehow seemed to have missed the networking setup step in the installer | 05:01 |
gnarface | it's not important, you can set it up by hand | 05:17 |
gnarface | i think it skips networking if it can't find a network device | 05:18 |
gnarface | furrywolf: you sure you loaded the filesystem modules before you tried whatever you tried? that might be a cause for needing "-t ext4" | 05:19 |
gnarface | furrywolf: i think it only auto select from currently-loaded modules. i don't think it looks to autoload them. | 05:19 |
furrywolf | I didn't try loading any modules. | 05:24 |
gmcastil77 | ok, so windows is corrupting the root partition each time it boots and that's why i was getting an inability to mount it | 06:07 |
gmcastil77 | i fixed it with fsck.ext4 and rebooted to windows and then back to linux and it did it again | 06:08 |
furrywolf | do you have the partition type mis-set to something windows thinks it can use? | 06:10 |
FatPhil | Hmmm, I've just ssh'ed in as root and xauth'ed myself onto g/f's X session. Just started a tmux session too. How can I pop up an xterm on her screen such that it automatically attaches to my tmux session? | 11:30 |
FatPhil | Ah - xterm -e /bin/sh -c tmux attach | 11:34 |
FunkyBob | is ther somewhere special I need to look for a beowulf netinst? or do I grab an ascii and update apt.sources ? | 11:39 |
omnio | FunkyBob: https://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?id=2830 | 11:56 |
FunkyBob | guess that's a yes to the latter... thanks | 12:01 |
FunkyBob | I guess I'm too accustomed to debian | 12:01 |
FunkyBob | am just installing ascii in a VM currently | 12:02 |
fsmithred | FunkyBob, I recommend you only install standard system utilities and then install additional stuff after the upgrade. If you want a desktop, better to install the individual parts rather than the task- packages. | 12:13 |
FunkyBob | fsmithred: that was my plan, yes... thanks. :) | 12:14 |
FatPhil | In search of recommendations for a console-based newsreader. GNUS has stopped working for me, and I'm bored of fighting it. | 15:34 |
gnarface | i think there is one in emacs | 15:35 |
FatPhil | that's GNUS | 15:36 |
gnarface | oh, sorry | 15:37 |
FatPhil | Hmmm, I just did the dumbest thing to fix the problem - and it worked! | 15:37 |
gnarface | heh, cool | 15:38 |
FatPhil | It was complaining about a missing directory within its config area, which of course it has write access to. | 15:38 |
FatPhil | Stupidly, I presumed that if creating the directory would fix the problem, then it would have just created the directory itself, so I didn't bother.. | 15:39 |
FatPhil | Always try the dumb things before thinking. | 15:39 |
James1138 | https://www.tecmint.com/best-rss-feed-readers-for-linux/ | 15:44 |
James1138 | I am using FeedBro from within the browser myself instead of a additional external newsreader. | 15:46 |
gnarface | doesn't the mutt mail client also read news? | 15:46 |
gnarface | i don't use mutt, i could have dreamt that | 15:47 |
drawkula | http://www.courier-mta.org/cone/ <<< I havent looked at it for years, so no comment... | 15:49 |
FatPhil | I'd rather keep my smtp and nntp separate, and already use mutt for mail. | 15:52 |
gnarface | oh i thought that would be the benefit | 15:53 |
gnarface | one client for both | 15:53 |
FatPhil | Maybe I'm weird - I'd want 2 clients to be running in parallel, I'd never want the mail reader to leave mail, and never want the news reader to leave news. | 15:54 |
FatPhil | and wouldn't want notifications in one about something to do with the other. These are different things to me, I don't want them unified. | 15:54 |
FatPhil | I've noticed some people seem to have phones that have merged SMSs, emails, and whatsapp, so that when I use one of the first 2 methods to message them, they always respond using the 3rd, which I don't have. Unification is a bug, not a feature. | 15:56 |
gnarface | heh | 15:56 |
gnarface | alright | 15:56 |
drawkula | diversity makes a healty environment... | 15:57 |
FatPhil | see my root window | 16:00 |
FatPhil | oops, wrong chan. why is it never the interesting things that go to the wrong window?!? | 16:00 |
lsjet | FatPhil, I was looking for your root window. :) | 16:06 |
nemo | so... my attempt to symlink libcrypto.so.1.0.1 to 1.0.0 to get microsoft sql server client tools working under linux was clearly not an enormous success | 18:53 |
nemo | /opt/microsoft/msodbcsql17/lib64/libmsodbcsql-17.3.so.1.1: /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libcrypto.so.1.0.0: version `OPENSSL_1.0.0' not found (required by /opt/microsoft/msodbcsql17/lib64/libmsodbcsql-17.3.so.1.1) | 18:53 |
nemo | /opt/microsoft/msodbcsql17/lib64/libmsodbcsql-17.3.so.1.1: /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libssl.so.1.0.0: version `OPENSSL_1.0.0' not found (required by /opt/microsoft/msodbcsql17/lib64/libmsodbcsql-17.3.so.1.1) | 18:53 |
nemo | (that's from the ldd of libmsodbcsql) | 18:53 |
nemo | I was wondering if it is possible to install the actual 1.0.0 side by side with 1.0.1 | 18:53 |
nemo | hm. maybe it's as simple as apt install libssl1.0.0 or something | 18:54 |
* nemo tries | 18:54 | |
nemo | no installation candidate. dammit. | 18:57 |
retak | I cant find libcrypto.so.1.0.0 in any package. only libcrypto.so.1.0.2. but im sure you can set a symlink | 18:57 |
nemo | retak: symlink was what caused the error above | 18:58 |
retak | libssl1.0.2 | 18:58 |
nemo | clearly they are taking no chances with the crypto libs | 18:58 |
nemo | retak: yeah. I have 1.0.2... tried symlinking to 1.0.0 which triggered a number of misleading errors that took me a while to track down | 18:58 |
retak | it can be that much differenz between 1.0.0 and 1.0.2 | 18:58 |
retak | *can't | 18:58 |
nemo | finally occurred to me to ldd that mssql lib | 18:58 |
nemo | retak: whether there is or isn't, unfortunately... | 18:58 |
nemo | retak: the errors above are dumped by ldd - there must be some lib flag enforced | 18:59 |
nemo | https://stackoverflow.com/questions/32644157/forcing-a-binary-to-use-a-specific-newer-version-of-a-shared-library-so | 18:59 |
retak | what is the error msg with symlink to 1.0.2 ? | 18:59 |
nemo | ah... gotta add "oldstable" to sources | 19:00 |
nemo | rlibcrypto.so.1.0.0: version OPENSSL_1.0.0' not found (required by /opt/microsoft/msodbcsql17/lib64/libmsodbcsql-17.3.so.1.1) | 19:00 |
retak | ah okay | 19:00 |
retak | now i understand | 19:01 |
nemo | hm. I wonder what that mirror is and if any old mirror can be used | 19:01 |
nemo | https://wiki.debian.org/DebianOldStable | 19:02 |
nemo | ow. stretch is the current oldstable | 19:02 |
nemo | so gotta force jessie | 19:02 |
retak | jet the new debian version is out | 19:06 |
retak | *jep | 19:06 |
nemo | retak: I just dpkg -i'd the libssl1.0.0 - I remembered I had to do same for another commercial product too | 19:15 |
nemo | kinda lame | 19:15 |
* enyc meows | 19:23 | |
retak | if it works. fine | 19:25 |
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