libera/#devuan/ Saturday, 2019-08-17

nexgenhello, please let me know, what is the easiest method to copy the latest deb file for the ascii release?03:30
furrywolfnexgen:  I'm not sure what you're asking.03:30
nexgenit seems apt-mirror copied debian instead of devuan03:30
furrywolfdevuan is the same as debian except for ~300 packages03:31
furrywolfso if you try getting everything, the vast majority of it will be debian packages.03:31
nexgenthere is a directory /var/cache/apt/archives/03:31
nexgenit is populated during apt-get03:31
nexgenI share it via NSF for all my hosts03:32
furrywolfthat should work fine03:32
nexgenI would like to copy all (not only installed) deb files into this directory from Devuan repository03:32
nexgenfrom internet to /var/cache/apt/archives/03:32
furrywolfno, you don't want to do that.  That would be very, very large.  :)03:32
nexgendoes not matter03:33
nexgenI do not care, it is a big ZFS pool03:33
nexgensometime connection lost may matter much more03:33
furrywolfyou can use any mirroring tool to download all the debs from a mirror into that directory.  wget, for example.  but I really think you should think twice about doing that.  if you want to run a local mirror, there are better ways than dumping a million debs into one directory.03:34
nexgenplease suggest one03:35
furrywolfmirror the entire mirror directory structure, and use it as an apt source, rather than dumping everything into the cache directory.03:36
furrywolfand then make it internet-accessible to repay the world for all the bandwidth you just used, too.  :)03:36
furrywolfyou do realize this is like 3TB, right?03:37
DonkeyHoteiwget is actually not allowed for that. you must use rsync instead03:37
nexgenplease suggest an url from which I can download packages for the ascii03:39
furrywolfuse the fastest mirror from the mirror list.03:39
furrywolfbrb03:40
nexgenbtw, apt-mirror produced only 150GB in /var/spool/apt-mirror/mirror/ftp.us.debian.org/debian/pool03:40
nexgenapt-get --print-uris install03:55
nexgenindicates actual full URL03:55
nexgenlike https://cdn-aws.deb.debian.org/debian/pool/03:56
nexgenbut I do not see a release name in the URL03:56
nexgenhow to distinguish jessie vs ascii, etc?03:56
rrqnexgen: the sources.list points identify Packages files in /var/lib/apt/lists that define the contents of those sources.lists points.04:36
nexgenI know which release is pointed to from my source.list04:36
nexgenbut I cannot understand where it is indicated in the URL04:37
nexgenhttps://cdn-aws.deb.debian.org/debian/pool/04:37
nexgenwhere release is in the url04:38
rrqthe Packages files tell which packages there are04:38
DonkeyHoteihttps://cdn-aws.deb.debian.org/debian/dists/04:38
nexgenor do all releases pull their files from the same URL?04:38
rrqthe packages of all distributions/variants is in the same pool of packages04:38
nexgenahh04:38
rrqit's the Packages files in /var/lib/apt/lists that define what each "distibution/section" is04:39
nexgencan you please refer me to a devuan package example, may be it is marked somehow in the dpkg -al output04:41
nexgenmost likely openrc is a good example04:41
rrqmy "apt-cache policy openrc" gives the following:04:42
rrqopenrc:04:42
rrq  Installed: (none)04:42
rrq  Candidate: 0.23-1+b104:42
rrq  Version table:04:42
rrq     0.40.3-1 9004:42
rrq         90 http://deb.devuan.org/merged beowulf/main amd64 Packages04:42
rrq         90 http://deb.devuan.org/merged unstable/main amd64 Packages04:42
rrq         -1 http://deb.debian.org/debian buster/main amd64 Packages04:42
rrq     0.23-1+b1 50004:42
rrq        500 http://deb.devuan.org/merged ascii/main amd64 Packages04:42
rrq     0.13.1-4 9004:42
rrq         90 http://deb.devuan.org/merged jessie/main amd64 Packages04:42
rrq(end)04:42
rrqbecause I have manydown-pinned source.list points04:42
nexgenhere are no actual full URLs for which I am looking for04:43
nexgen apt-get --print-uris --download-only install sysv\*04:43
nexgenhttps://pkgmaster.devuan.org/merged/pool/DEVUAN/main/s/sysvinit/sysvinit_2.88dsf-59.9+devuan2_amd64.deb04:43
nexgenhow DEVUAN vs DEBIAN part is handled at URL resolution time?04:44
nexgenis it some time of redirection?04:44
nexgensome *type04:44
rrqright.. yes, that's supposed to be handled by the web server's re-write rules04:45
nexgenmay be that is why I did not see different releases in DEBIAN pool before04:46
nexgennot sure04:46
nexgenif i try to open above /devuan/pool/04:48
nexgenI get not found if came via redirection04:48
nexgenhow to see above https://pkgmaster.devuan.org/merged/pool/DEVUAN/04:49
nexgenI would like to choose a release04:49
nexgenmost likely I have to specify actual mirror to which it is redirected04:50
rrqwell pkgmaster onl holds the devuan pool, not the debian pool04:50
rrqy04:50
rrqbrb04:51
nexgenbtw, do you agree with a statement that Debian was attacked by corporates and ended with a systemD without alternatives?04:51
nexgenso Devuan is more like olf Debian now than Debian is now04:52
nexgen*old04:52
nexgenattacked by *corporations04:52
fsmithredcorporados04:53
nexgenwhat if the want to attack Devuan too in some way?04:54
nexgenfork again?04:54
nexgenI guess an attack is done onto the leads04:54
nexgenwhen they pawn the control over leads they direct the whole thing into a wrong (for the community) direction04:55
fsmithredthis is not the place to discuss that, but I'll say if you knew the devuan devs, you'd know how unlikely that possibility is04:55
nexgenand someones who did not agree have to leave and fork04:55
nexgenI am just a user04:56
drizztnexgen: that's way more complicated10:56
drizztthere are alternatives in debian, but using them is a real pain10:56
drizztand the fork happend because when we told debian devs that many people did not want to have systemd they told that :10:57
drizzt- devs have the lead and are the only ones responsible for taking decisions (packagers in fact, as they are not devs, the devs are those who wrote the thouthands of softwares so they can package them, but they don't care about users, even when they are the ones who wrote the softwares)10:59
drizzt- there is no way (from their point of view) to know what the users want, so they (the debian packagers) don't care11:00
drizzt- if someone is not happy with that (even if that breaks point 4 of the Debian Social Contract : Our priorities are our users and free software) then he should fork11:01
drizztso the fork finaly happened, after days and months of flame trying to get them understand that many disagreed and a barely more than 50% vote in favor of systemd11:04
drizztand then, many debian devs said "hey, why did you fork ? this has split the community and many devs have left debian, you should stop your fork and come back to us"11:05
drizzt...11:05
drizztthis may be a little bit biased, but quite a good recap from my point of view11:07
KjetilSomeone know how to disable elogind from logging to dmesg?12:58
gnarfacei think rsyslogd controls that13:02
gnarfaceor, some syslogd.  there are more than one, iirc13:03
gnarfacemaybe just two though13:03
gnarfaceif i'm wrong about it being a syslog daemon that controls it, just check the command-line options in whatever init script launches it13:04
kreyrenrequesting devuan mirror for packages17:10
kreyrenhttp://deb.devuan.org/ got it17:11
golinuxOr https://pkgmaster.devuan.org/17:15

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