| nemo | james1138: Evolution has chat? O_o | 01:04 |
|---|---|---|
| nemo | james1138: HTTPS Everywhere? you seriously need that in yours? | 01:04 |
| nemo | james1138: theme. eh... | 01:05 |
| nemo | sounds like you enjoy installing addons | 01:05 |
| nemo | I had to install or enable plugins for evolution too. they just happened to not work | 01:05 |
| * Evilham thinks lightning is in thunderbird by default | 01:06 | |
| nemo | gnu_srs: what's with the spam? | 01:07 |
| Evilham | it's not spam | 01:07 |
| nemo | I mean the repetition | 01:07 |
| james1138 | The theme streamlines and reduces memory usage (Microbird). HTTPS Everywhere is used for browsers as well as Thunderbird for security to make sure the links in the email do not re-route me to someplace ugly. Chatzilla is IRC but I did not use that very much. Lightning is NOT included by default even in the newest version of Thunderbird. | 01:07 |
| nemo | james1138: ok. well evolution is hardly kind to memory usage either. AFAIK it has no equivalent to https everywhere... certainly does not have chatzilla | 01:08 |
| nemo | james1138: I was focusing on those 'cause it seems you're adding functionality evolution doesn't have and thunderbird probably does not need | 01:08 |
| james1138 | Evolution also has RSS ability. My point is that to make Thunderbird the "equal" of Evolution in functions - a lot of addons and tweaks have been needed. I know... first-hand | 01:09 |
| nemo | anyway. I'd say if you choose to use evolution you shouldn't be surprised if it suddenly demands a lot of gnome | 01:09 |
| nemo | james1138: my only point is your examples had no evolution equivalent. that's all. | 01:09 |
| nemo | james1138: thunderbird has rss | 01:10 |
| nemo | feeds | 01:10 |
| james1138 | Evolution also has integrated contact manager. | 01:10 |
| Evilham | well, OTOH, back when I used thunderbird, I didn't need all of those features and it'd have bothered me to turn them off | 01:10 |
| nemo | https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/how-subscribe-news-feeds-and-blogs | 01:10 |
| Evilham | it's hard to make software for everyone | 01:10 |
| Evilham | so plugins are a decent compromise | 01:10 |
| nemo | james1138: so does thunderbird. I have domain contact integration and local | 01:10 |
| nemo | james1138: did not require any extensions | 01:11 |
| nemo | LDAP is an old thunderbird feature | 01:11 |
| james1138 | It is a moot point - first hand experience is that for my needs Thunderbird take so much addons and tweaking it is not worth my time when I install Evolution and have it from the start. | 01:12 |
| Evilham | gnu_srs: I really should subscribe to that ML, much more interesting than anything happening on debian-devel lately | 01:14 |
| HumanG33k | hi | 01:31 |
| HumanG33k | where grub should be install on /dev/sda or on /dev/sda1 (/boot) ? | 01:33 |
| HumanG33k | i also have a / partition | 01:33 |
| gnarface | HumanG33k: for a typical install on modern hardware, try /dev/sda first | 01:55 |
| gnarface | that's usually what you want unless you're sharing the computer with competing boot loaders | 01:57 |
| gnarface | or if it's something really old that has bios support issues | 01:57 |
| systemdlete | I need libcrypto++9, but even beowulf and ceres are still at libcrypto++6. This is a dependency of 3rd party software I am installing. Is there a way to get around this, and what are potential gotchas? thanks again | 09:21 |
| systemdlete | ah. Jessie-security | 09:22 |
| systemdlete | and jessie also... but not in ascii? | 09:22 |
| yeti | grab the deb-src from jessie or beowulf(?) and try to build it on ascii | 10:07 |
| systemdlete | yeti: Figured out a different way, maybe a little unorthodox: I fetched the jessie versions from the repos. That mostly seems to have worked, but I need to test all this. | 10:08 |
| yeti | deb9..11 have it, so using deb9's version may™ work with ascii... but I prefer to rebuild the deb-sources on the target system instead of using foreign binaries. | 10:10 |
| yeti | as plan a | 10:10 |
| yeti | sometimes that fails, then I dare to try foreign binaries | 10:10 |
| systemdlete | deb 9..11 do not have the version required for this package I am installing. | 10:10 |
| systemdlete | and they are coming from debian's repo. I assume that most packages there will work with devuan? | 10:11 |
| yeti | ups! i searched the ++6 one | 10:11 |
| yeti | ++9 is in jessie und partially sid... | 10:11 |
| systemdlete | "ups?" you mean "oops?" heheh | 10:12 |
| systemdlete | right. ++9 is in jessie, which is the one I needed. | 10:13 |
| systemdlete | the only problem I see is that a lot of OTHER software, via their deps, require these other versions | 10:13 |
| systemdlete | so I may have difficulty running, say, mysqld or the like. | 10:13 |
| yeti | why? | 10:13 |
| yeti | does it replace the files of the ++6 version? | 10:14 |
| systemdlete | not exactly the issue here. Some of the packages that came up during the install as deps had a "v5" added to the end of their names. | 10:15 |
| systemdlete | so a package like "libmediainfo0" was actually "libmediainfo0v5" | 10:16 |
| systemdlete | the other packages look for the v5 version, whereas this package I installed wants the "regular" one (no "v5") | 10:16 |
| systemdlete | so one package essentially nulls the deps of the other by removing them, and those packages! Which I really don't want. | 10:17 |
| systemdlete | I'm thinking of starting all over with devuan jessie. | 10:17 |
| systemdlete | But first I want to see if I can get things working as is. | 10:18 |
| systemdlete | does this make more sense? | 10:20 |
| systemdlete | I mean, maybe there is a far better approach, such as rebuilding the packages from source, as you suggested. | 10:20 |
| yeti | I'm testing to build that on ascii from sources | 10:21 |
| systemdlete | to build... "libmediainfo0?" | 10:21 |
| yeti | that ++9 thingy | 10:22 |
| systemdlete | oh! | 10:25 |
| systemdlete | there's a slew of others I needed also. I downloaded and gdebi'd them all in | 10:25 |
| yeti | nah... fails to build... incompatible with newer gcc? | 10:27 |
| yeti | dware, │ buZz | 10:27 |
| yeti | ups... cannot cut&paste between VM and chat | 10:28 |
| systemdlete | http://paste.debian.net/1101547/ has a list of all the packages I've had to gdebi so far. There could be more, idk yet. | 10:28 |
| systemdlete | I don't think so. | 10:28 |
| yeti | a warning about a convrsion of a constant is treated as error. and wirh crypto stuff I wouldnt ignore that | 10:28 |
| * systemdlete nods. | 10:29 | |
| systemdlete | that's why I asked about repercussions, above, before you responded | 10:29 |
| systemdlete | so, there's one. | 10:29 |
| yeti | that needs a look from someone knowing more about it than me | 10:29 |
| systemdlete | I'm really becoming convinced that the best solution here would be to begin with jessie, not ascii | 10:30 |
| systemdlete | (devuan jessie of course) | 10:30 |
| systemdlete | but, then again... if you are telling me there's a bug in the older version, I'd be getting that there too, right? | 10:30 |
| yeti | a warning that now is treated as error | 10:31 |
| yeti | this could be turned off | 10:31 |
| yeti | but I definitely am not knowing which consequences this has | 10:32 |
| systemdlete | "now" -- you mean in the ascii versions of the packages? | 10:32 |
| yeti | mayne the gcc in jessi did not see that as serious but the newer one in ascii does | 10:32 |
| systemdlete | or in the older, jessie? | 10:32 |
| systemdlete | oh! | 10:32 |
| yeti | I tried on ascii | 10:32 |
| systemdlete | thanks for that clarification! | 10:32 |
| systemdlete | but still, doesn't this mean that there could be a real-live problem with jessie's crypto? | 10:33 |
| systemdlete | I mean, if it is ignoring or otherwise not handling it | 10:33 |
| yeti | maybe jessie's gcc overlooked the problem. | 10:34 |
| systemdlete | a lot of people are using ascii and its crypto | 10:34 |
| yeti | I cannot make a definitive statement | 10:34 |
| systemdlete | I know | 10:34 |
| systemdlete | I'm just worried | 10:34 |
| yeti | maybe ask someone in debian why it isnt in current stable? | 10:35 |
| systemdlete | with my nick? Are you nutz? LOL | 10:35 |
| yeti | they must have had a reason to kick it out | 10:35 |
| systemdlete | I'd have to change my nick. | 10:35 |
| yeti | and? | 10:36 |
| yeti | you only have 1 nick? | 10:36 |
| systemdlete | does this error happen with ++9, or only ++6? | 10:36 |
| yeti | :-Þ | 10:36 |
| systemdlete | (I'm a poor man, so let it be...) | 10:36 |
| yeti | I only tried to build ++9 on ascii | 10:36 |
| systemdlete | oh | 10:36 |
| systemdlete | that might be why, actually. Maybe they ran into the same error. | 10:37 |
| yeti | maybe on some of their mailing lists is some talk about that | 10:37 |
| systemdlete | no, I have a few extra nicks laying around somewhere. | 10:37 |
| * systemdlete looks through his drawers, attic, garage... | 10:39 | |
| yeti | the old nicks container... | 10:39 |
| systemdlete | ooh, I know! I could go as "guest3981" or something like that | 10:40 |
| yeti | "wasnt_me" | 10:40 |
| systemdlete | "imjustaskin" | 10:40 |
| systemdlete | "systemdsoooocoolman" | 10:40 |
| systemdlete | "noreallyitis" | 10:40 |
| yeti | systemE | 10:41 |
| systemdlete | E? | 10:41 |
| yeti | that name already exists somewhere... I remember a GUI theme with that name | 10:41 |
| systemdlete | in Canada, I think they call it systemEh | 10:41 |
| yeti | I think one of the kde2 or -3 windoews themes had that name | 10:42 |
| yeti | sytstem-e? | 10:42 |
| systemdlete | https://github.com/cryfs/cryfs/issues/56 "Ok I'm a bit confused by their versioning scheme. Seems libcrypto++9 is Crypto++ 5.6.1 and libcrypto++6 is actually newer with Crypto++ 5.6.3." | 10:43 |
| fsmithred | not fully caught up here, but did you guys notice that the ++6 version has a higher version number than the ++9 version? | 10:43 |
| systemdlete | fsmithred, see immediately above | 10:44 |
| systemdlete | weird! | 10:44 |
| fsmithred | yeah | 10:44 |
| systemdlete | so I think the software I am installing is built against older ware | 10:44 |
| yeti | so just rebuilding the deb-src of the other stuff against the ++6 version might do it | 10:45 |
| * systemdlete feels a headache coming on... | 10:45 | |
| yeti | systemdlete: set up some VMs to experiment... | 10:45 |
| fsmithred | or possibly a symlink would do it | 10:45 |
| systemdlete | well, actually, if this works as is, I'm good. | 10:46 |
| systemdlete | My worry was about that compile error. | 10:46 |
| * yeti trashed at least 2 beowulfs and 2 ceres within the last 7 days... but who cares... VMs! | 10:46 | |
| systemdlete | since the ++6 version is actually newer and no reported problem (we assume...) then all should be good | 10:46 |
| systemdlete | yeti: Yes, that is one of the many joys of virtualization | 10:47 |
| systemdlete | and I admit I don't exploit it nearly enough as I could | 10:47 |
| yeti | I'm using naked qemu | 10:47 |
| * systemdlete turns his eyes away, for modesty | 10:48 | |
| fsmithred | be careful with virtualization - you can fill up a hard disk in no time at all. | 10:48 |
| systemdlete | And I have, believe me. It has been so much fun, I had to get larger disks. | 10:49 |
| yeti | I threw away a lot of VMs some weeks ago... | 10:49 |
| fsmithred | me too | 10:49 |
| systemdlete | I did that just this afternoon. | 10:49 |
| fsmithred | and a bunch of live-isos | 10:49 |
| systemdlete | yep. | 10:49 |
| systemdlete | house cleaning and tidying | 10:49 |
| systemdlete | found some VMs in the wrong directories, and couldn't move them using vbox tools. So I just deleted them. | 10:49 |
| systemdlete | Just some experiments anyway. | 10:50 |
| yeti | I dont know these tools | 10:50 |
| yeti | using only qemu I am the manager | 10:50 |
| yeti | I move them as I want | 10:50 |
| systemdlete | vbox just upgraded from v5 to v6, and once again, they changed the UI, and god knows what else | 10:50 |
| yeti | never trust a GUI | 10:51 |
| yeti | and GUIs make 10% of global warming! | 10:51 |
| yeti | :-Þ | 10:51 |
| yeti | Vrijdays vor vt00!!! | 10:51 |
| systemdlete | for the longest time, I couldn't even get the "groups" function to work. And no one at vbox seemed to know which feature I was talking about. They thought I meant unix groups. | 10:51 |
| yeti | vt100 | 10:51 |
| fsmithred | javascript accounts for the other 90% | 10:51 |
| systemdlete | I thought Edge did. | 10:52 |
| systemdlete | or whatever MS calls its web bowser | 10:52 |
| yeti | ok... my xterms run in some GUI too... unluckily WWW and Mail force me to have it... | 10:52 |
| yeti | but the rest of the day "I live in xterm+screen" | 10:52 |
| systemdlete | there are cmd line mail readers | 10:53 |
| systemdlete | pine | 10:53 |
| yeti | i get too much "multimedia mail" | 10:53 |
| systemdlete | I used to use it back in the dark days before so-called "desktops" | 10:53 |
| sixwheeledbeast | there's also lynx for www | 10:53 |
| yeti | w3m can do images... but the pages look soooo ugly, you cannot find what you're looking for | 10:54 |
| fsmithred | images without X? | 10:54 |
| yeti | yip! | 10:54 |
| yeti | ooor? | 10:54 |
| yeti | maybe that's using sixels? | 10:54 |
| yeti | then a higher versioned vtXXX (300?) would do it | 10:54 |
| fsmithred | you lost me | 10:55 |
| * systemdlete wonders how much AGW can be attributed to systemd | 10:55 | |
| yeti | some younger terminals could do lineprinter like graphics | 10:55 |
| yeti | "sixels" | 10:55 |
| yeti | maybe w3m is using that in XTerm | 10:55 |
| yeti | there is even a sixel-xserver | 10:56 |
| fsmithred | links2 is kinda nice - makes the web look like the 90's | 10:56 |
| sixwheeledbeast | meh, some stuff is better with a GUI some better on CLI, IMO use the most appropriate tool. | 10:56 |
| systemdlete | so it looks like an atari or commodore terminal? | 10:56 |
| yeti | sixwheeledbeast: sure I would not want a text version of KiCAD | 10:56 |
| yeti | :-Þ | 10:56 |
| yeti | but since the days of my windows trauma, I cannot trust a GUI | 10:57 |
| systemdlete | some people never recover from Windows | 10:57 |
| yeti | if a GUI is optional, it's ok | 10:57 |
| systemdlete | multiple episodes of BSOD can cause permanent damage | 10:57 |
| yeti | cd \#debianfork # ? | 10:58 |
| systemdlete | see you there | 10:58 |
| yeti | :-) | 10:58 |
| free_speech | mail, web and IRC are the only reasons for me to have a GUI installed ... everything that differs from the mentioned uses can be done in CLI very well ... | 11:59 |
| djph | free_speech: you need a GUI for IRC? | 12:04 |
| djph | and mail? | 12:04 |
| free_speech | is there a CLI Mail-Client which can handle more than just one mailadress? | 12:07 |
| free_speech | I am always very thankful for tips and tricks I didn't yet know ... | 12:07 |
| free_speech | same for IRC ... I don't use only one channel ... not even only one server ... | 12:08 |
| omnio | weechat is very nice for an IRC client without GUI | 12:09 |
| * tarzeau likes irssi inside screen | 12:12 | |
| tarzeau | and links2 for web browsing the latest -g gui also supports own vector fonts (ttf/otf) | 12:13 |
| djph | yep, use irssi in screen myself. | 12:15 |
| djph | mutt can do multiple mail addresses, I just haven't ever had the need (secondary / tertiary are pretty much spam nowadays ) | 12:15 |
| * yeti is using >40 channels on >6 servers (and bitlbee) with weechat | 12:17 | |
| yeti | via mosh+screen on a cubietruck | 12:18 |
| yeti | xchat's ctcp replies were funnier... but that's the only thing I miss since switching | 12:19 |
| omnio | to follow >40 channels I'd need my day to have 48 hours | 12:20 |
| yeti | xchat could do multi line replies on ctcp... | 12:20 |
| yeti | omnio: some of them are just for following software projects and being able to search the logs for errors | 12:20 |
| yeti | some->most | 12:21 |
| yeti | .-) | 12:21 |
| yeti | and a 100hres day is on my wish list for at least 2 decades now, but santa refuses... | 12:22 |
| Acacia | w3m is using some weird trickery with xorg to display images, they're just overlaid on your terminal. no sixel | 12:40 |
| yeti | https://bitbucket.org/arakiken/w3m/branch/remoteimg then that is different to w3m-img | 12:58 |
| yeti | but a sixelish w3m exists | 12:59 |
| yeti | just thought w3m-img were the same | 12:59 |
| yeti | http://mlterm.sourceforge.net/ should work with a framebuffer | 13:00 |
| yeti | and can do sixels | 13:00 |
| yeti | and that way life without X could come nearer | 13:01 |
| yeti | and if all else fails, there is a sixel-xserver | 13:01 |
| yeti | someday I need to try that (in a VM?) | 13:02 |
| yeti | https://github.com/saitoha/libsixel | 13:02 |
| yeti | unluckily standard screen lacks sixel support | 13:02 |
| yeti | :-( | 13:02 |
| Hurgotron | free_speech: I assume you mean text mode instead cli... I've been using mutt for email for 20 years or so now. and multi-window ircii for a long time. (But since I neeeded a GUI anyway for other stuff, it's now xchat) | 13:04 |
| buZz | does anyone know what the 'eve' kworker does? | 16:34 |
| buZz | ah | 16:40 |
| buZz | Name: kworker/1:2-events | 16:40 |
| adlpaf | Hi everyone! Someone knows how to download an ISO for Devuan testing or experimental? | 16:49 |
| fsmithred | no official isos yet | 16:49 |
| fsmithred | some of the derivatives have isos based on beowulf (out testing) | 16:49 |
| buZz | adlpaf: i -think- there are tools to make one if you really want to | 16:50 |
| adlpaf | So, do I have to install the stable version and then pass to testing? | 16:50 |
| buZz | adlpaf: but recommended way for now is just install stable and then distupgrade | 16:50 |
| fsmithred | you can do that. | 16:50 |
| buZz | until its officially released | 16:50 |
| fsmithred | just install a minimal system first, then upgrade, then install your apps. | 16:51 |
| buZz | also, plz report bugs you encounter during the distupgrade to the ML | 16:51 |
| buZz | :) | 16:51 |
| buZz | its quite good already, there's not many big issues you could encounter | 16:51 |
| buZz | but more eyes see more bugs | 16:51 |
| adlpaf | Ok! Thanks a lot fsmithred and buZz | 16:51 |
| fsmithred | you may run into some conflicts around policykit and related things | 16:51 |
| adlpaf | Definetly hahaha | 16:52 |
| buZz | :) | 16:52 |
| buZz | cool adlpaf | 16:52 |
| adlpaf | Well! I'll try to do it into a VM, to see better what's going on | 16:53 |
| nemo | so... I read that mailing list thing from the other day. debian is seriously proposing packaging that eliminates alternate init support? | 16:53 |
| buZz | oh, that would increase our workload a lot | 16:53 |
| Wonka | really? assholes. | 16:54 |
| nemo | maybe I misread which was why I asked | 16:54 |
| adlpaf | That is one of the reason that I want to use another distro, especially Devuan | 16:54 |
| buZz | nemo: have a link to the archive? | 16:55 |
| nemo | yeah looking for it | 16:55 |
| buZz | adlpaf: with enough users we can do everything ;) | 16:55 |
| Wonka | buZz: with enough contributors. | 16:55 |
| nemo | 17:39 < gnu_srs> Hi; this is a must read: Sam is a very sensible person: https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2019/09/msg00001.html | 16:56 |
| nemo | 17:39 < gnu_srs> Hi; this is a must read: Sam is a very sensible person: https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2019/09/msg00001.html | 16:56 |
| adlpaf | YEs, it is | 16:56 |
| buZz | right, assuming X users always leads to X/something contributers | 16:56 |
| nemo | ack | 16:56 |
| nemo | sorry I'm using the crappy mouse today | 16:56 |
| nemo | it tends to double-send middle click | 16:56 |
| fsmithred | mine no longer sends a middle click. Can I have one of yours? | 16:57 |
| nemo | heh | 16:57 |
| nemo | fsmithred: forgot my decentish mouse at work ☺ | 16:58 |
| buZz | nemo: kinda reads like 'systemd is causing issues but we dont want to have these issues at all and dont know what to do' | 16:59 |
| buZz | but yeah, kinda looks bad for elogind | 17:00 |
| buZz | although we already have our own elogind packages it seems? | 17:00 |
| buZz | https://git.devuan.org/devuan-packages/elogind | 17:00 |
| nemo | " | 17:01 |
| nemo | So perhaps sysvinit and init scripts have had their chance and it is | 17:01 |
| nemo | time to move on. | 17:01 |
| nemo | So perhaps sysvinit and init scripts have had their chance and it is | 17:01 |
| nemo | aaaagh | 17:01 |
| nemo | ok. ctrl-shift-v for now | 17:01 |
| buZz | nemo: yeah 'perhaps' being the keyword | 17:01 |
| buZz | nemo: shift-ins? :D | 17:01 |
| nemo | "But right now there are no non-linux ports in the | 17:01 |
| nemo | main archive. So perhaps we don't even care about that" | 17:01 |
| nemo | that seems to be leaning more on the scale there | 17:01 |
| nemo | "Again, a | 17:01 |
| nemo | change, but a change that we can ask ourselves if we are ready to make." | 17:01 |
| nemo | seems like he's trying to cautiously sell it to me | 17:02 |
| buZz | debian has non-linux versions? | 17:02 |
| buZz | oh right, there's some freebsd debian i guess | 17:02 |
| nemo | I wonder what hypothetically devuan could do in a situation like that | 17:02 |
| buZz | lol from elogind readme ; | 17:03 |
| nemo | maintain a running set of patches from the debian changes to packaging for /etc/init.d etc? | 17:03 |
| buZz | > All of the credit for elogind should go to the systemd developers. | 17:03 |
| nemo | haha | 17:03 |
| nemo | welp. my fallback plan personally will just be gentoo on all my machines | 17:03 |
| buZz | i dno, it might just cause a new wave of devuan users inbound ;) | 17:04 |
| nemo | it's a shame because I like the convenience and extensive support of debian | 17:04 |
| buZz | whatever this ML will decide, it wont be for buster/beowulf | 17:04 |
| buZz | so worstcase , devuan just splits more from upstream debian | 17:05 |
| buZz | and atm not -that- many packages depend on systemd | 17:05 |
| buZz | or init system at all | 17:05 |
| buZz | so, even though it looks kinda bad, it might not be all that bad | 17:05 |
| Wonka | well, those that come with unit files but not init files would need fixing | 17:05 |
| buZz | right, -if- they decide to remove them | 17:06 |
| Wonka | ack | 17:06 |
| buZz | which the ML doesnt say, it just denotes some conflict | 17:06 |
| Wonka | but even a "don't care" decision would be bad enough | 17:06 |
| nemo | I *have* manually "fixed" a work package to add an init script and it wasn't terrible | 17:07 |
| nemo | since most init scripts don't do anything very interesting | 17:07 |
| buZz | yeah .. well i assume it'll work out, most contributors on devuan are highly motivated to keep devuan alive | 17:07 |
| buZz | if not all :) | 17:07 |
| Wonka | If I fixed up an init script for a debian package, I'd always at least try to get it into the debian package | 17:07 |
| nemo | Wonka: oh. nice. that's a good idea | 17:08 |
| nemo | Wonka: serves double purpose | 17:08 |
| Wonka | can't hurt much, at least | 17:08 |
| nemo | shows visibility/interest and helps the distro | 17:08 |
| nemo | I always enable popcon on my devuan machines | 17:08 |
| Wonka | helps both debian and devuan, if it succeeds | 17:08 |
| nemo | I realise it's a totally inaccurate vote | 17:08 |
| nemo | but even if devuan folks are ballot stuffing it shows they care… | 17:09 |
| Wonka | yep | 17:09 |
| klaus | hi all | 19:01 |
| klaus | how could prevent my browser to accessing a specific ip ? | 19:01 |
| buZz | nullroute the IP in iptables? | 19:02 |
| klaus | is this the simpliest way to go about doing this kind of things ? | 19:02 |
| buZz | something like iptables -I OUTPUT -t 192.168.1.100 -j DROP | 19:02 |
| buZz | TIMTOWDI klaus ;) | 19:03 |
| buZz | there is more then one way to do it | 19:03 |
| buZz | == timtowdi | 19:03 |
| klaus | i get : can't initialize iptables table `192.168.1.100': Table does not exist | 19:04 |
| buZz | eh derp, yeah | 19:05 |
| buZz | -d instead of -t | 19:05 |
| buZz | destination, not target ;) | 19:05 |
| buZz | klaus: dont you need to edit that IP ? :P | 19:05 |
| klaus | yes i did, i just used the same example you provided to report the problem i had | 19:06 |
| buZz | :) | 19:06 |
| klaus | it works | 19:06 |
| buZz | \o/ | 19:07 |
| DonkeyHotei | i'd do REJECT instead of DROP | 19:07 |
| buZz | https://linux.die.net/man/8/iptables | 19:07 |
| buZz | many stuff can be done | 19:07 |
| buZz | you could also bind that IP to your lo interface :P | 19:07 |
| buZz | lol | 19:07 |
| klaus | reject doesn't have my browser trying to connect to the ip but almost immediately shows a 'unable to connect' message | 19:08 |
| klaus | which is better | 19:08 |
| klaus | now if only i could even prevent the tab to open at all that would be perfect | 19:09 |
| klaus | but it's already a lot better, tahnks for the help buZz, DonkeyHotei | 19:09 |
| buZz | \o/ | 19:09 |
| buZz | klaus: what tab is it? | 19:09 |
| buZz | i mean, what service are you trying to prevent using? | 19:09 |
| klaus | it's a movie streaming site i use, every two or three clicks, it opens a new tab that leads me to some bullshit ads | 19:10 |
| klaus | the movie streaming site works well, but i just wanted it to stop spamming me by opening new tabs with ads | 19:11 |
| Hurgotron | use an ad blocker? | 19:12 |
| Hurgotron | ublock origin... | 19:13 |
| klaus | i already use ublock origin | 19:14 |
| klaus | this bypasses it | 19:14 |
| klaus | i tried to look for some place in ublock settings to specify an ip to ignore, but i didn't succeed | 19:14 |
| klaus | i tried to add "* ip * block", in my rules | 19:15 |
| klaus | but that didn't seem to make any change at all | 19:15 |
| nemo | klaus: huh. so the ads are probably hosted locally and since JS is required for your streaming... | 19:16 |
| nemo | klaus: you'll probably still get tabs, just with empty content | 19:16 |
| nemo | which isn't gonna reduce the annoyance enormously | 19:16 |
| nemo | klaus: you probably need some sort of custom filter for that site, like one that clears the click events | 19:16 |
| klaus | nemo: yes with the iptable rule, i get the tab, but nothing in it, it's already better | 19:16 |
| nemo | kk | 19:16 |
| nemo | klaus: violentmonkey might be the way to go | 19:17 |
| klaus | is that a firefox addon that would allow me to blacklist ips ? | 19:17 |
| nemo | klaus: BTW, years ago, I ran a browser profile for a few weeks with regular browsing. then took the top 30 or so most frequently set cookie domains and mapped them all to 255.255.255.255 in djbdns 😃 | 19:17 |
| buZz | klaus: uBlock origin | 19:18 |
| nemo | klaus: I think there are probably a ton of site blockers in addons | 19:18 |
| buZz | blocks practically -all- ads for me | 19:18 |
| nemo | klaus: you know, intended usually for parental blocking | 19:18 |
| klaus | buZz: visiting that site (with ublock installed): moviemagnet.unblocked.nz/movies/genre/ | 19:19 |
| klaus | every few click i get a new tab that point there (ads): http://35.224.227.218/MTgzMzE4MzE1MDI3LzE4MzMxOTkzODAzMi8weHIyc2UxZHh5 | 19:20 |
| nemo | buZz: it's gonna have a hard time stopping local onclick events like his… | 19:20 |
| klaus | it always starts with this ip 35.224.227.218 | 19:20 |
| nemo | but I bet filtering the click events would be pretty easy | 19:20 |
| klaus | this completely bypass ublock origin | 19:20 |
| buZz | nemo: not that i have found | 19:21 |
| buZz | klaus: not ublock, ublock origin | 19:21 |
| klaus | buZz: that's what i use | 19:21 |
| buZz | ok | 19:21 |
| nemo | klaus: interesting. after whitelisting the site for javascript I got a new popup tab on the reload of the initial 404 page you'd sent us to | 19:21 |
| nemo | klaus: so it probably doesn't even require clicks | 19:21 |
| nemo | is most likely in onload | 19:21 |
| nemo | klaus: hm. wish they had VF content | 19:22 |
| klaus | french dubbing is usualy utter crap | 19:23 |
| nemo | klaus: it varies in quality but I'm largely in agreement | 19:23 |
| nemo | klaus: the problem is that I'm trying to raise at least one bilingual kid | 19:23 |
| nemo | in the united states which is basically 100% american english | 19:24 |
| nemo | so if they are gonna go for entertainment dammit it could at least serve a secondary purpose | 19:24 |
| klaus | when i study a language, i like to use movies/series, then video games, and books | 19:25 |
| klaus | i played resident evil in french, english, japanese and german :) | 19:25 |
| klaus | of course you need games that let you pause and confortably read content | 19:26 |
| klaus | children books are nice too, i like ghost story haunted mansion, kind | 19:26 |
| Evilham | nemo: you are readoing only one part of that email | 19:26 |
| Evilham | it is not proposing that, it is claiming that debian, as a whole, has to figure out some general guidelines, because without those general guidelines, everyone ends up being frustrated | 19:26 |
| Evilham | so, one of the possible outcomes is that | 19:26 |
| Evilham | but it's not the only one, and the DPL certainly doesn't make a case for that | 19:26 |
| Evilham | jeez, don't just skim, read | 19:26 |
| Evilham | things are carefully worded, the situation is quite properly explained | 19:26 |
| Evilham | elogind was in devuan before debian IIRC | 19:26 |
| Evilham | and devuan is the upstream | 19:26 |
| Evilham | pff, I don't have the mental energy to repeat that you shouldn't read sentecnes, but the whole thing | 19:26 |
| Evilham | not anymore, it's out of archive | 19:26 |
| Evilham | anyway, if you keep picking sentences out of that email, you are contributing to inter-community misunderstandings | 19:26 |
| Evilham | it really isn't something that you can pick sentences from, but a full text piece to be read carefully and consciously | 19:26 |
| Evilham | probable case: things are clarified and it's easier to work with debian | 19:26 |
| Evilham | but of course everything ahs to be the worst case :-) | 19:26 |
| Evilham | anyway, better move this to #debian-fork or #debianfork, however that's called | 19:26 |
| Evilham | this is being utterly unproductive | 19:27 |
| klaus | someone's clipboard got berserk | 19:27 |
| buZz | klaus: fyi, i use https://torrentz2.eu/ for magnets usually | 19:27 |
| buZz | maybe thats unblocked on your isp? its got a shitton indexed anyway | 19:27 |
| buZz | but not as clean as moviemagnets, i agree | 19:27 |
| klaus | buZz: yes it's good to find something specific you search for. but about movies, i want to browse, see the cover, rating, and synopsis | 19:28 |
| Evilham | grrr delayed messages because of networking issues | 19:28 |
| Evilham | just ignore | 19:28 |
| Evilham | sorry for the noise | 19:28 |
| buZz | klaus: i understand, you miss popcorntime ;) | 19:28 |
| Evilham | the offtopic hint does apply though :-D | 19:29 |
| klaus | i must confess i never used iptables much | 19:30 |
| buZz | Evilham: i agree with your interpretation of the email being less negative then earlier suggested | 19:30 |
| Evilham | I'm glad, last thing we need is people going nuts because a phrase is taken out of context | 19:31 |
| nemo | I've read it a few times. I focused on that paragraph because it was the one that bothered me the most | 19:32 |
| buZz | going nuts isnt in anyone's favor :) | 19:32 |
| nemo | klaus: she's starting to get into games. her reading is still a WIP | 19:33 |
| nemo | klaus: hopefully will advance on that front this year | 19:33 |
| buZz | hmmm , i wanna log if my laptop is on charger , over time, so i can see how much time i charge it per day | 19:33 |
| buZz | does anyone have a good idea for a logging format that doesnt fill my disks too much? :P | 19:34 |
| Evilham | buZz: I like prometheus for htis kind of timeseries | 19:34 |
| Evilham | flexible, somewhat lean, does the job well | 19:34 |
| buZz | oh hmm, tnx i think , just got an idea , just log current state and only log current timestamp when state has changed | 19:34 |
| buZz | Evilham: my target system has 32MB ram :P | 19:34 |
| klaus | nemo: learning languages is fun thing to do, but if it's a children, you need to make him or her see that. | 19:35 |
| Evilham | uh :-D | 19:35 |
| klaus | most child might think it's heavy and boring | 19:35 |
| nemo | klaus: var adcashMacros={sub1:"",sub2:""},zoneSett={r:"1623005"},urls={cdnUrls:["//fbcdn2.com","//uptimecdn.com"],cdnIndex:0,rand:Math.random(),events:["click","mousedown","touchstart"], ← this one looks very much like the one that's probably causing you pain | 19:35 |
| buZz | prometheus looks a -bit- too fancy for 32MB ram :P | 19:35 |
| Evilham | tiny bit, yes | 19:36 |
| buZz | Evilham: this system btw ; https://nurdspace.nl/Zipit_Z2 | 19:36 |
| buZz | ;) | 19:36 |
| buZz | not something most ppl would use | 19:36 |
| nemo | klaus: in inspector you can immediately see some top level events on the <html> even on your error page which is a great minimal testcase | 19:36 |
| klaus | nemo: that maybe but then i don't know what to do about it | 19:36 |
| buZz | but its my main 'i'm cooking but i want irc near' machine ;) | 19:36 |
| Evilham | lel, cute | 19:36 |
| buZz | Evilham: cheap too | 19:36 |
| buZz | ~30 usd gets you one on ebay | 19:37 |
| Evilham | anyway :-D all this should really go to the OT channel | 19:37 |
| nemo | klaus: I'm gonna try to make a violentmonkey override. one moment | 19:37 |
| nemo | klaus: this sorta thing entertains me | 19:37 |
| Evilham | otherwise catching up is hell | 19:37 |
| klaus | nemo: thanks :) | 19:37 |
| buZz | Evilham: no worries, the topic was already settled i think ;) | 19:37 |
| buZz | i think we all agree that devuan will overcome | 19:37 |
| nemo | klaus: in this particular case I started from year 0 so it is natural. it's just a question of maintenance due to the environment | 19:39 |
| nemo | klaus: I think it's helped her with sign language (which she quite enjoys) and italian | 19:39 |
| klaus | btw it wasn't and error page i just missed the last character in the link i pasted | 19:39 |
| klaus | https://moviemagnet.unblocked.nz/movies/genre/7 | 19:40 |
| klaus | i missed the 7 | 19:40 |
| klaus | how old is she ? english, french, italian, and sign language that's quite some already | 19:41 |
| buZz | klaus: doesnt the original work for you? http://moviemagnet.co/ | 19:41 |
| buZz | that doesnt seem to have those injected ads | 19:42 |
| klaus | buZz: yes, probably i just use that link: https://unblocked.cam/ | 19:42 |
| klaus | to unblock lots of sites like that, that my country is blocking | 19:42 |
| buZz | seems whoever runs that is getting rich from ads ;) | 19:42 |
| klaus | ads are like cancer.. | 19:43 |
| nemo | klaus: 7 | 19:43 |
| klaus | maybe tomorrow they will find a way to insert ads in your foods, inside your steack or fruits ;) | 19:44 |
| yeti | dreams | 19:44 |
| klaus | nemo: she speaks more language than me at 7 ;) | 19:44 |
| nemo | klaus: pinged you in PM | 20:14 |
| nemo | klaus: FWIW, I think the quality of french dubbing has improved quite a lot lately, for disney in particular | 20:22 |
| nemo | klaus: they've clearly thrown money at it. and international dubbing in general | 20:22 |
| nemo | I'm sure you've seen the i18n frozen song youtube video | 20:22 |
| DonkeyHotei | there are multiple such videos | 20:23 |
| nemo | DonkeyHotei: yeah, I meant the one disney released to show off | 20:32 |
| nemo | with the actual singers in-studio | 20:32 |
| nemo | moana. similar thing. high quality song video VF released by disney for the feature song | 20:33 |
| nemo | they've been doing that a lot | 20:33 |
| nemo | I guess compared to the other production expenses it's a minor one that's gotten them a decent return, and nowdays editing stuff inside the renderings is a lot easier | 20:33 |
| golinux | Here I thought this was a Devuan support channel | 20:35 |
| golinux | Please move OT to #debianfork | 20:35 |
| * golinux should have that on speed dial | 20:36 | |
| onefang | Or maybe #disney? | 20:36 |
| yeti | someone could program that into an attiny85 which will play usb keyboard wit 1 key... | 21:04 |
| yeti | and a big red button... ;-) | 21:05 |
| golinux | onefang: Indeed. Most of what happens on this channel these days is bad comedy | 21:13 |
| phillipsjk | Am I correct in assuming getting Steam to run under devuan would be a pain in the butt? (Valve recommends Ubuntu 18.04 LTS) | 23:02 |
| james1138 | https://steamcommunity.com/discussions/forum/1/1745605598716363897/ | 23:06 |
| james1138 | https://developer.valvesoftware.com/wiki/Steam_under_Linux#Debian | 23:06 |
| james1138 | https://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=steam&searchon=names&exact=1&suite=all§ion=all | 23:07 |
| james1138 | Not a problem installing Steam/Valve at all. | 23:08 |
| phillipsjk | Is intalling Debian packages advised on devuan? | 23:13 |
| fsmithred | adding debian repos to sources.list can result in disaster | 23:13 |
| fsmithred | you are getting debian packages from devuan repos with the exception of the few we repackage | 23:14 |
| fsmithred | if you're talking about third-party packages, those generally work. ascii=stretch, beowulf(testing)=buster(stable) | 23:15 |
| phillipsjk | Is there a testing repo if we want newer drivers? | 23:15 |
| phillipsjk | IC Beowulf | 23:16 |
| fsmithred | yeah, beowulf is our testing repo. We don't have a repo that corresponds to bullseye yet | 23:16 |
| fsmithred | when we release beowulf, our stable and testing will be the same as debian's | 23:16 |
| fsmithred | make sense? | 23:17 |
| phillipsjk | Yes, was conidering testing for a newer kernel as well (was considering btrfs) https://btrfs.wiki.kernel.org/index.php/Changelog#By_version_.28linux_kernel.29_4.x | 23:19 |
| fsmithred | beowulf has 4.19 | 23:20 |
| phillipsjk | Is the best way to install testing to install ASCII, then do a dist-upgrade? | 23:20 |
| fsmithred | you could install a minimal ascii and upgrade | 23:20 |
| fsmithred | yeah | 23:20 |
| gnarface | for what it's worth 4.19 is in ascii-backports too though | 23:21 |
| fsmithred | don't install a full desktop from the installer or you'll run into kit trouble | 23:21 |
| fsmithred | oh yeah, ascii-backports | 23:21 |
| fsmithred | btrfs is also in ascii-backports | 23:30 |
| fsmithred | you can check versions at pkginfo.devuan.org | 23:31 |
| gnarface | oh this is about btrfs? you might need some other backports packages to go along with it | 23:36 |
| phillipsjk | Well, thank-you for you help. Just need to decide how to partition my disks now. (definitely needs to be 4k aligned, but think that is the defualt these days) | 23:36 |
| gnarface | there is also btrfs-progs, btrfs-tools, btrfs-heatmap, btrfs-compsize, and a bunch of btrfs-modules-[kernel and arch info] packages | 23:37 |
| gnarface | all in backports | 23:37 |
| gnarface | i recommend taking a look but don't just install everything from backports, that usually ends badly | 23:38 |
| phillipsjk | I think I will try testing. It will probably be "stable" eventually. | 23:38 |
| gnarface | it will but you should still make a backup first | 23:38 |
| gnarface | testing and unstable are prone to a certain category of breakages that the stable version isn't typically exposed to | 23:39 |
| phillipsjk | New computer, plan to SSH to the computer where my work is *really* stored. | 23:39 |
| gnarface | ah, well have fun then | 23:39 |
| gnarface | if you avoid the graphical login stuff then you will probably avoid the bulk of the current problems with testing | 23:40 |
| phillipsjk | So just invoke startx directly? | 23:40 |
| gnarface | yea | 23:40 |
| gnarface | though you might run into some unexpected changes in Xorg and how permissions are handled for certain drivers, it depends on the hardware you're using | 23:41 |
| * phillipsjk had broken X11 on freeBSD for over a year. | 23:41 | |
| gnarface | they've been merging out the default suid-root thingy, though not all the drivers have caught up to support, basically it's no longer the default to run Xorg as a user other than your own | 23:42 |
| gnarface | as long as you know that though, it shouldn't be difficult to work around | 23:42 |
| gnarface | but one consequence is that your log might be in ~/.local/share/xorg/ instead of /var/log | 23:43 |
| gnarface | and some drivers still need it | 23:43 |
| gnarface | (which means you have to put it back yourself) | 23:49 |
| gnarface | (you might have to manually add yourself to the "video" group too, like in the old days) | 23:50 |
| golinux | phillipsjk: Do not use "testing" in your sources list or you will get bullseye pkgs from Debian and break your system. Use beowulf. | 23:58 |
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