| gnarface | free_rabbit: can you elaborate? | 00:14 |
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| free_rabbit | oh hey! =) | 00:17 |
| free_rabbit | yes i will! | 00:17 |
| free_rabbit | the devuan installer boots and shows up | 00:18 |
| free_rabbit | but loading the installer components from cdrom failed. | 00:18 |
| free_rabbit | when checking the cdrom i pressed alt+f4 to see whats happen, there is many output and i can not write it all down... it fades to fast, but it says first that the chekcsum can not be | 00:18 |
| free_rabbit | verified and second taht it can not find the Packages.gz or /cdrom/foo/pool/DEBIAN/main, but all of these files are there, i have checked this in the shell. | 00:18 |
| gnarface | did you try to checksum the file before writing it to the USB key? this error is usually caused by a corrupted download | 00:18 |
| gnarface | there should be two checksums and a gpg signature you can use to triple-verify the thing | 00:19 |
| free_rabbit | gnarface: yes of course i do that everytime i download something that has the possibility to check it. | 00:24 |
| gnarface | hmm. strange | 00:25 |
| free_rabbit | 4 devuan downloads im doing this: first time i download the key, import it to my keychain. then downloading the file.iso and its SHAfoo and the SHAfoo.asc | 00:25 |
| gnarface | and this always worked before? | 00:26 |
| free_rabbit | i run gpg --verify shafoo.asc shafoo | 00:26 |
| free_rabbit | and then shafoo SHAfoo (for getting an ok for the iso file) | 00:27 |
| free_rabbit | gnarface: yes | 00:27 |
| free_rabbit | but probably there is more i need to tell, i do not know if it is important | 00:27 |
| gnarface | can you show me the exact command that you used to write the iso to the USB key? | 00:27 |
| free_rabbit | im using dd | 00:28 |
| gnarface | did you specify a block size greater than 1MB? | 00:28 |
| free_rabbit | no | 00:28 |
| gnarface | are you sure? | 00:28 |
| free_rabbit | but wait i want to tell u something otehr | 00:28 |
| free_rabbit | yes im sure ;) | 00:28 |
| gnarface | yes, please include anything weird about the machine or the install process | 00:28 |
| free_rabbit | i have 4 partitions on that usb device each partition contains something bootable | 00:29 |
| gnarface | hmm. you're not the first person to do that with an installer | 00:29 |
| gnarface | so that's not too weird | 00:29 |
| gnarface | which installer are you actually using? a netinstall iso or one of the live images? | 00:30 |
| free_rabbit | 1 partition has devuan 32-bit minimla live, one has the same in 64-bit, one has the 32-bit installer and one is empty at the moment (i will dd 64--bit installer there) | 00:30 |
| free_rabbit | for installing i always use the iso, i nver would do a net installer. | 00:30 |
| free_rabbit | my machine: lenovo thinkpad t60 with librebooot | 00:31 |
| gnarface | that's not a clear enough distinction i guess. you mean you're using one of the cd/dvd images, not the netinstall image OR live images? | 00:31 |
| free_rabbit | i used this: https://files.devuan.org/devuan_ascii/installer-iso/devuan_ascii_2.0.0_i386_dvd-1.iso | 00:32 |
| free_rabbit | and dd it to the usb stick | 00:32 |
| fsmithred | to the whole device, or to a partition? | 00:32 |
| free_rabbit | a partition the whole device where a waste of storage space... | 00:33 |
| free_rabbit | i have done this the first time, i had always used a burned to dvd iso before... | 00:33 |
| free_rabbit | *i have always used...? | 00:33 |
| fsmithred | it's an isohybrid image, which is meant to occupy the whole device and act like a CDROM | 00:33 |
| free_rabbit | what does that mean? | 00:34 |
| gnarface | fsmithred: i thought you could use it from a partition evena local harddrive partition though? | 00:34 |
| fsmithred | yeah, there's a way to do that if you copy the iso file or its contents | 00:34 |
| fsmithred | I don't know about dd to partition | 00:34 |
| gnarface | oh hmm. good point | 00:34 |
| fsmithred | free_rabbit, how do you boot it? | 00:35 |
| free_rabbit | so i should dd the iso to the whole usb device then? | 00:35 |
| gnarface | free_rabbit: he might be right. if that's the only thing weird about your install attempt, try it as the whole device | 00:35 |
| fsmithred | you will wipe all your partitions if you do that | 00:35 |
| free_rabbit | fsmithred: i booted it with some grub commandline commands | 00:35 |
| fsmithred | the other way around it is to play with mounting and symlinks in the installer | 00:35 |
| fsmithred | ok | 00:36 |
| free_rabbit | i know that it will wipe it when im using the whole device i know how dd works ^^ | 00:36 |
| fsmithred | ok, just wanted to make sure | 00:36 |
| free_rabbit | the commandline commands are explained in here: https://libreboot.org/docs/gnulinux/grub_boot_installer.html#booting-isolinux-images-manual-method | 00:37 |
| * free_rabbit is dding donald trump | 00:37 | |
| free_rabbit | muhahaha! | 00:37 |
| free_rabbit | gnarface: yeah.. probbaly i need to test it... | 00:38 |
| free_rabbit | gnarface: i thought it would be cool to have several live images and installer on one device... | 00:39 |
| free_rabbit | i dd it that will take some time... | 00:44 |
| free_rabbit | gnarface: you ask me: 00:28 < gnarface> did you specify a block size greater than 1MB? | 00:44 |
| free_rabbit | is the dd default greater then this? | 00:45 |
| fsmithred | I think the default is 1 byte | 00:48 |
| free_rabbit | the default block size i ment... | 00:48 |
| free_rabbit | fsmithred: ah ok =) | 00:48 |
| free_rabbit | i was asking because its display how fast it writes but that has nothing to do with the block size | 00:50 |
| gnarface | no, fsmithred free_rabbit the default is 512b which should be safe for everything | 00:50 |
| free_rabbit | ok cool thx you both, i always run it default, for everything | 00:52 |
| free_rabbit | ok i still need some time 2gb now ^^ | 00:53 |
| free_rabbit | how is devuan going? is the community getting bigger? more downloads then last year or something? | 00:54 |
| fsmithred | we've had some new developers join us in the past year | 00:54 |
| gnarface | i can't tell you anything specific but there is a steady trickle of new users | 00:55 |
| fsmithred | and new users, of course | 00:55 |
| free_rabbit | fsmithred: cool! =) | 00:55 |
| free_rabbit | sounds all great! hope it will getting bigger and mor people know about it! | 00:55 |
| free_rabbit | *get to know about it (tahts correct i think...) | 00:56 |
| fsmithred | I hope it will get easier instead of harder | 00:56 |
| free_rabbit | fsmithred: whta do you mean? | 00:57 |
| fsmithred | I hope we don't have to keep increasing the number of packages that we change. | 00:59 |
| free_rabbit | oh i see... =( | 01:02 |
| free_rabbit | ah! dd created two partitons one vfat and one dos with the iso.. maybe that was the problem? | 01:10 |
| gnarface | ah, right, that makes sense. the hybrid-iso images are themselves partitioned in a screwy way that won't nest properly in another partition set. | 01:11 |
| free_rabbit | cause i did not see one of my 4 partions split into two "subpartitions" | 01:11 |
| gnarface | i remember that coming up before now | 01:11 |
| gnarface | once you know that, there should be a way to do it though by just getting the parts of the installer you need into your own partitioning scheme | 01:11 |
| gnarface | nested partitions are a real thing though, if done right, so you might even be able to alter your existing top-level partitioning scheme to be compatible with the hybrid-iso | 01:12 |
| free_rabbit | gnarface: maybe thats to difficult for me... | 01:12 |
| gnarface | yea it might be more trouble than it is worth | 01:12 |
| gnarface | but it also would be a good learning experience | 01:12 |
| free_rabbit | gnarface: maybe i will come back to that "quest" after i recieved the exp from my other running projects ^^ | 01:13 |
| gnarface | i can't tell you off the top of my head how exactly, but it might just be as simple as copying the main partition out of the hybrid-iso image. i don't think you really need the rest of it if you're already providing your own boot loader | 01:13 |
| free_rabbit | will try now the installer again | 01:13 |
| free_rabbit | cool it runs! =D | 01:19 |
| free_rabbit | thak you very much for your help! | 01:19 |
| gnarface | no choking on cdrom verification? | 01:19 |
| gnarface | that's good | 01:19 |
| free_rabbit | gnarface: no! ^^ | 01:19 |
| gnarface | now that i think about it more, it must be about the partition numbers. | 01:20 |
| gnarface | i wonder if they could just be renumbered to work | 01:20 |
| gnarface | but once you have a working install, these types of questions quickly wane in priority | 01:20 |
| fsmithred | the extra partition is probably the efi partition | 01:23 |
| gnarface | i feel like i remember going through this before and someone did actually prove that it would work if you just renumber the partitions so it's coherent but i could have dreamed it | 01:39 |
| free_rabbit | lol | 01:44 |
| gnarface | hmm. that actually might have been before efi too | 01:46 |
| free_rabbit | im really excited if it will run without installing grub to disk. | 01:55 |
| free_rabbit | oh no whats going on! | 01:57 |
| free_rabbit | the 32-bit is runnign automatically every step! | 01:57 |
| free_rabbit | how to prevent this? | 01:57 |
| free_rabbit | when i instaleld 64-bit from a dvd in the past i have always to choose every single step manually... | 01:58 |
| gnarface | free_rabbit: you sure your enter key isn't stuck or something? | 02:00 |
| gnarface | free_rabbit: try expert mode | 02:00 |
| gnarface | did you experiment with preseeding and forget to remove the file from the image afterwards? | 02:01 |
| free_rabbit | gnarface: you said something! it doesnt ask me for that, i always run expert mode... | 02:01 |
| free_rabbit | did i need to set expert mode before booting with the grub cli? | 02:02 |
| gnarface | free_rabbit: wait, i thought you were talking about the installer. are you talking about an install or the installer? | 02:03 |
| free_rabbit | the only kernel parameter i set was fbalse, what deactivates the frame buffer and runs only in text mode | 02:03 |
| free_rabbit | the installer | 02:03 |
| gnarface | there should be a way to choose that from the installer menu without setting a kernel parameter | 02:04 |
| free_rabbit | it automatically selecting every single point, like configure the network, select software bla | 02:04 |
| free_rabbit | i have no installer menu ;) | 02:04 |
| free_rabbit | im booting the installer from grub with some commands | 02:04 |
| free_rabbit | i thin i need to specifiy it there but i dunno how.. =( | 02:05 |
| gnarface | i see, so you've bypassed the iso's boot menu? | 02:05 |
| free_rabbit | correct | 02:05 |
| free_rabbit | maybe i have to load that to... somehow | 02:05 |
| free_rabbit | or probably i have to... | 02:06 |
| gnarface | yea, i don't know how to make it choose a mode that way. you're in over my head | 02:06 |
| gnarface | sorry | 02:06 |
| free_rabbit | do you know that "booting with grub cli thing"? | 02:06 |
| free_rabbit | lol i dont think iam "in over my head | 02:07 |
| free_rabbit | *your | 02:07 |
| gnarface | i mean i know it's possible, but i would have to google the options | 02:07 |
| gnarface | i don't have the proper grub commands for that memorized or anything | 02:07 |
| free_rabbit | when u in grub then run ls to see all connected devices | 02:07 |
| free_rabbit | then when the sio is on sub 4example run: grub> set root='usb0' | 02:08 |
| free_rabbit | then you need to figure out wherer the kernel is, for me it is in /install.368/vmlinuz | 02:09 |
| gnarface | hmm | 02:09 |
| free_rabbit | now you load that kernel: | 02:09 |
| free_rabbit | grub> linux /path/to/kernel PARAMETERS MAYBE\_MORE\_PARAMETERS | 02:09 |
| free_rabbit | parameters are something like: fb=false <- this is deactivating graphical mode | 02:09 |
| free_rabbit | grub> initrd /path/to/initrd | 02:10 |
| free_rabbit | thats next | 02:10 |
| free_rabbit | and then run just grub>boot | 02:10 |
| free_rabbit | and it takes u directly into the installing process | 02:10 |
| gnarface | i see | 02:10 |
| free_rabbit | =) | 02:10 |
| gnarface | are there other kernels on there? | 02:11 |
| free_rabbit | and i think that i need to specify another paramter after the kernelpath to get the installer menu... | 02:11 |
| free_rabbit | ermm... | 02:11 |
| free_rabbit | mo there is only one | 02:11 |
| free_rabbit | *no | 02:12 |
| free_rabbit | i9 search 4 that paramter with metager.de brb | 02:12 |
| free_rabbit | i dont get it... =( | 02:31 |
| free_rabbit | fsmithred: are you still arround? | 02:31 |
| gnarface | i'm not sure it is a kernel parameter that is supposed to set that | 02:33 |
| gnarface | the installer mode | 02:33 |
| gnarface | i think disabling the framebuffer might force it to use text mode as a fallback but i don't think that's normally how it's done | 02:33 |
| free_rabbit | me too, but what else | 02:33 |
| gnarface | well i had assumed the installer runs as a userspace program | 02:33 |
| gnarface | not a kernel component | 02:34 |
| gnarface | so i wouldn't look in the kernel command-line for the controls | 02:34 |
| free_rabbit | isnt the expert installer always running as text mode? | 02:34 |
| gnarface | no there is a difference between expert mode and text mode. the text vs gui choice does not imply expert or normal mode | 02:34 |
| free_rabbit | funny, when i installed devuan (and before that debian) with expert installer i always had a text mode... | 02:35 |
| gnarface | i don't remember that being the case but i could be wrong | 02:36 |
| free_rabbit | i have ask now at #libreboot too | 02:36 |
| gnarface | anyway i am sure you can have text mode without expert mode | 02:36 |
| gnarface | it may be that some installers only have expert mode with text mode, but there should also be a text mode for normal installs too | 02:36 |
| gnarface | if you look in the installer iso there might be a shell command or a config file that shows you how they do it | 02:38 |
| gnarface | shell script i mean* | 02:38 |
| free_rabbit | 02:36 < gnarface> anyway i am sure you can have text mode without expert mode | 02:38 |
| free_rabbit | yes thats what i got here | 02:39 |
| free_rabbit | yes iam still searching... | 02:39 |
| fsmithred | back | 02:39 |
| fsmithred | what's up? | 02:39 |
| free_rabbit | fsmithred: how can i get into the expert installer from grub cli? | 02:43 |
| fsmithred | remmebering... | 02:46 |
| fsmithred | priority=log | 02:46 |
| fsmithred | no | 02:46 |
| fsmithred | priority=low | 02:46 |
| fsmithred | free_rab1it, ^^^ | 02:49 |
| gnarface | oh right | 02:51 |
| gnarface | the debconf priority | 02:51 |
| gnarface | you can pass that as a kernel command-line option? | 02:51 |
| fsmithred | yes | 02:51 |
| gnarface | weird | 02:51 |
| gnarface | that only works with the debian kernel i assume? | 02:51 |
| fsmithred | probably | 02:52 |
| fsmithred | never thought about that | 02:52 |
| free_rabbit | fsmithred: i will try that ou now... | 02:52 |
| free_rabbit | yay! works like a charm! thank u very much fsmithred ! =D | 02:55 |
| fsmithred | yw | 02:55 |
| gnarface | we definitely went through this before, i just never remember the last part | 02:56 |
| fsmithred | I remember it because I done unnatural things with the installer isos and live isos. | 02:57 |
| fsmithred | you can add a live iso to a mini.iso and it works, but if you add it to a netinstall iso, it complains that it can't find the cdrom. | 02:59 |
| free_rabbit | with the vesa rom of libre boot i will probably not to have booting the installer from grub cli, but befor i use that rom i need to test some things first. | 03:01 |
| free_rabbit | k.. new problem | 03:15 |
| free_rabbit | the installation is done. i have installed devuan on a hdd wich is connected via an usb cable | 03:16 |
| free_rabbit | i do not install a bootloader, because grub is on already on the flashchip with libreboot | 03:16 |
| fsmithred | you can add it to the existing boot menu? | 03:18 |
| free_rabbit | the installer said, that ineed to boot manually with the /vmlinuz kernel and /dev/mapper/HereMyVolumeGroup as a kernel argument | 03:18 |
| free_rabbit | fsmithred: ehat do you mean? | 03:19 |
| free_rabbit | *what | 03:19 |
| fsmithred | make an entry in the existing boot menu for the new installation | 03:19 |
| fsmithred | I assume you can do that | 03:19 |
| fsmithred | I know nothing about libreboot | 03:19 |
| free_rabbit | i dont know... =( | 03:20 |
| fsmithred | do you use grub to boot? | 03:20 |
| free_rabbit | i have ask at #libreboot but it seems that no one is there | 03:20 |
| GoatAvenger | free_rabbit, are you following a guide? | 03:21 |
| GoatAvenger | seems like you are trying to get full disk encryption with libreboot working | 03:21 |
| fsmithred | oh, you're doing full disk encryption? | 03:21 |
| free_rabbit | fsmithred: yes grub is ionside the flashchip, you get it when you replacing the BIOS with libreboot | 03:21 |
| * GoatAvenger doesn't know where he came in on the conversation | 03:22 | |
| free_rabbit | GoatAvenger: yes | 03:22 |
| free_rabbit | lol | 03:22 |
| free_rabbit | i always use encryption in everything ^^ | 03:22 |
| * free_rabbit do the crypto rocks dance | 03:22 | |
| fsmithred | I leave /boot unencrypted. Too slow with full-disk encryption. | 03:23 |
| free_rabbit | <(°o°<) (>°o°)> ^(°o°)^ | 03:23 |
| GoatAvenger | heh | 03:23 |
| fsmithred | so you need to tell grub about it | 03:24 |
| fsmithred | I hope the flagship is a debian-based distro | 03:24 |
| free_rabbit | GoatAvenger: i have flashed my chip with a libreboot text-rom first and now i have done this: https://libreboot.org/docs/gnulinux/grub_boot_installer.html#booting-isolinux-images-manual-method | 03:24 |
| fsmithred | GRUB_ENABLE_CRYPTODISK=y | 03:25 |
| fsmithred | in /etc/default/grub | 03:25 |
| free_rabbit | oh no wait iam sorry boot isnt encrypted yet! | 03:25 |
| fsmithred | yet? | 03:25 |
| free_rabbit | i first need to see if a normal encrypted devuan is booting and running | 03:26 |
| free_rabbit | the hdd is connected via usb | 03:26 |
| fsmithred | I'm not sure it works with lvm | 03:26 |
| fsmithred | I know I had a lot of trouble with that, but it was beowulf and it was at the beginning of this year. Things may have changed. | 03:27 |
| free_rabbit | when this all works iam going to figure out how to configure grub cfg and set full disk encryption and then i will reflashing libreboot with a vesa-rom | 03:27 |
| free_rabbit | i have always encrypted everything except /boot in devuan | 03:27 |
| free_rabbit | i have done that with a hdd connected via sata and with a usb connected via usb ^^ | 03:28 |
| free_rabbit | this is the first time i use a sata via usb | 03:28 |
| free_rabbit | i have a sata to usb adapter | 03:30 |
| fsmithred | I have two of them | 03:30 |
| fsmithred | one of them still works | 03:30 |
| free_rabbit | fsmithred: two of what? | 03:30 |
| fsmithred | sata to usb adapter | 03:31 |
| free_rabbit | ok =D | 03:31 |
| fsmithred | they do ide too | 03:31 |
| fsmithred | cheap shit. don't rely on it for long. | 03:31 |
| free_rabbit | thats more secure i have red at libreboot.org, because the sata has dma and usb>2.0 not | 03:32 |
| fsmithred | dma is insecure? | 03:32 |
| free_rabbit | https://libreboot.org/faq.html#hddssd-firmware | 03:33 |
| gnarface | yea :( | 03:33 |
| GoatAvenger | free_rabbit, an easy way to do things might be to tell the iso-installer to install grub to the MBR of a usb you won't use, then just copy and paste the needed grub menu entry (data) to libreboot's grub.cfg | 03:33 |
| free_rabbit | hss and ssd are running unfree firmware | 03:33 |
| fsmithred | oh yeah | 03:33 |
| free_rabbit | fsmithred: and that firmware can then use the dma to get password or something. theres even a creepy nsa tool for that... | 03:34 |
| free_rabbit | GoatAvenger: wait so i need to reflash libreboot after installing an os under libreboot? o_0 that sounds a bit weird are you sure? | 03:35 |
| fsmithred | no, you just need to add a menuentry in flagship's grub.cfg | 03:36 |
| GoatAvenger | free_rabbit, well, to the best of my understanding, if u want to modify grub on libreboot in anyway, you will need to reflash; but, yeah you can just command-line boot too | 03:37 |
| free_rabbit | because i can not editing the grub config now, or ma i wrong? | 03:37 |
| GoatAvenger | free_rabbit, I just don't know grub that well, so i'd take the easy route | 03:37 |
| free_rabbit | 03:37 < GoatAvenger> free_rabbit, well, to the best of my understanding, if u want to modify grub on libreboot in anyway, you will need to reflash; | 03:37 |
| free_rabbit | yes thats what i thought... | 03:37 |
| fsmithred | I like to install grub to the non-booting disk in case it becomes the booting disk at some time in the future. | 03:38 |
| free_rabbit | but i do not understand... | 03:38 |
| fsmithred | usually some unexpected time | 03:38 |
| free_rabbit | oh wait this here: https://libreboot.org/docs/gnulinux/encrypted_debian.html#booting-your-system | 03:40 |
| free_rabbit | cryptomount -a thats what you told me fsmithred isnt it? | 03:40 |
| free_rabbit | i will try it now... | 03:41 |
| free_rabbit | Slot 0 opened | 03:42 |
| free_rabbit | error: PATA passthrought failed | 03:43 |
| free_rabbit | can i ignore this error? | 03:43 |
| fsmithred | no, I didn't say that | 03:44 |
| free_rabbit | set root='lvm/matrix-rootvol' | 03:44 |
| free_rabbit | there is no matrix bla... | 03:44 |
| free_rabbit | fsmithred: oh... | 03:44 |
| fsmithred | I gave you a line for /etc/default/grub | 03:44 |
| free_rabbit | its so frustrating... =( | 03:45 |
| EHeM | Seems i386 stable is falling behind in a problematic way; for amd64 libexpat1 2.2.0-2+deb9u3 is available for i386 libexpat1 2.2.0-2+deb9u2 is the latest available. | 03:45 |
| fsmithred | but you don't need that line if /boot is unencrypted | 03:45 |
| free_rabbit | fsmithred: it is not encrypted | 03:45 |
| fsmithred | right | 03:45 |
| fsmithred | EHeM, thanks. I believe someone is working on that problem. | 03:46 |
| fsmithred | free_rabbit, are you using tab-completion on grub command line? | 03:46 |
| free_rabbit | fsmithred: yes | 03:48 |
| fsmithred | should be root=/dev/mapper/vgname-lvname | 03:51 |
| free_rabbit | fsmithred: you mean: set root='/dev/mapper/vgname-lvname'? | 03:59 |
| fsmithred | that's what it usually is | 04:05 |
| fsmithred | with lvm | 04:05 |
| fsmithred | no not set root | 04:06 |
| fsmithred | set root=(hd1,msdos1) probably | 04:06 |
| fsmithred | for the boot partition | 04:06 |
| fsmithred | on the linux line... | 04:07 |
| fsmithred | linux /vmlinuz-<version> ro root=/dev/mapper/vg-lg | 04:07 |
| free_rabbit | fsmithred: ah ok! what is that ro for? | 04:09 |
| fsmithred | read-only | 04:11 |
| fsmithred | brb phone | 04:11 |
| free_rabbit | YA! it works! =D | 04:11 |
| free_rabbit | thx so much! | 04:12 |
| fsmithred | oh, good | 04:12 |
| fsmithred | the read-only mount is temporary. It switches to read-right before it's done booting | 04:13 |
| fsmithred | wow | 04:13 |
| fsmithred | read-write | 04:13 |
| fsmithred | or read-wrong | 04:13 |
| free_rabbit | the right to read tongue-twister | 04:13 |
| fsmithred | lol | 04:14 |
| free_rabbit | lol | 04:14 |
| free_rabbit | sounds like something in a theme park | 04:14 |
| EHeM | Though if you split the /var and /home filesystems off of your root filesystem, it is quite possible to have the root filesystem mounted read-only during normal operations. | 04:14 |
| free_rabbit | "Everyone everyone! Get in the right to read read-write-wrong... ehrr whatever tongue twister!" | 04:15 |
| free_rabbit | EHeM: yes they are splitted | 04:15 |
| free_rabbit | i can create files everywhere: touch /testfile | 04:18 |
| free_rabbit | so it seems that is not read only | 04:19 |
| free_rabbit | and when i wont that process i carried out not, theb i have to add these lines on a specific place in the grub config right? | 04:21 |
| free_rabbit | then flashing the flash chip again with that edited grub.cfg inside | 04:22 |
| fsmithred | you might be able to add the lines to grub.cfg automatically. | 04:27 |
| fsmithred | boot the flagship and run update-grub | 04:27 |
| fsmithred | if the usb is plugged in, grub should fin... | 04:28 |
| fsmithred | never mind | 04:28 |
| fsmithred | it won't find it if it's encrypted | 04:28 |
| fsmithred | add a menuentry to /etc/grub.d/40_custom | 04:28 |
| fsmithred | in flagship | 04:28 |
| fsmithred | then run update-grub | 04:28 |
| free_rabbit | /etc/grub do not exist i need to change the configureation file and reflashing it. | 04:33 |
| fsmithred | ok | 04:33 |
| fsmithred | what linux is flagship? | 04:33 |
| free_rabbit | but no problem, thats what i need to done anyway, because i want to make a full disk encryption and using the vesa rom this time. | 04:34 |
| free_rabbit | what do u mean with flagship? | 04:34 |
| fsmithred | your main linux installation | 04:34 |
| free_rabbit | devuan | 04:34 |
| free_rabbit | =D | 04:35 |
| fsmithred | ok, then /etc/grub.d/ should exist and have a few files in it. | 04:35 |
| free_rabbit | im not shure if i understand sorry X) | 04:35 |
| free_rabbit | no i didnt install a bootloader with the devuan installer | 04:35 |
| fsmithred | how many linux installations are on your computer? | 04:35 |
| free_rabbit | one | 04:35 |
| free_rabbit | grub is inside the flash chip on my mainboard | 04:36 |
| fsmithred | oh, I assumed you had another linux on the hard drive | 04:36 |
| free_rabbit | no =) | 04:36 |
| free_rabbit | when you falshing libreboot you get libreboot as a bootloader and grub as a payload on you mainboard flash chip | 04:37 |
| free_rabbit | so you can make full disk encryption | 04:37 |
| free_rabbit | no one can easily manipulate you /boot partition and if anyone wnat to manipulate your grub he/she needs to flash the chip again but with the correct grub config entries to boot your system after that, and when you set a grub password... he or she wont be able to see those config | 04:39 |
| free_rabbit | i think thats a very cool security feature => | 04:39 |
| free_rabbit | HAH! Take THIS NSA!!1! | 04:40 |
| fsmithred | oh, they'll just wait until to boot up to read your disk | 04:41 |
| * free_rabbit makes rude gestics in NSA direction | 04:41 | |
| free_rabbit | lol X) | 04:41 |
| free_rabbit | but where are they? | 04:41 |
| * jonadab inserts a backdoor into the microcode on the CPU. | 04:41 | |
| fsmithred | Maryland, I think. | 04:41 |
| EHeM | More likely the NSA would call in the CIA to do some rubber hose cryptography. | 04:42 |
| free_rabbit | lol no i ment on my computer | 04:42 |
| free_rabbit | jonadab: i have a t60. when you libreboot it the me will be removed | 04:42 |
| free_rabbit | EHeM: ehat is rubber hose cryptography? o_0 | 04:43 |
| fsmithred | same as wrench cryptography | 04:43 |
| fsmithred | I hit you until you tell me the password | 04:43 |
| free_rabbit | https://www.coreboot.org/Intel_Management_Engine#Where | 04:44 |
| free_rabbit | fsmithred: then i hit back, i do quanfa since over ten years ;) | 04:44 |
| * GoatAvenger would prefer to be bruteforced with tickles | 04:44 | |
| fsmithred | :) | 04:44 |
| free_rabbit | https://libreboot.org/docs/hardware/gm45_remove_me.html | 04:45 |
| free_rabbit | fsmithred: =D | 04:45 |
| furrywolf | goats, rabbits, tickles... did I walk into another furry channel? :) | 04:45 |
| GoatAvenger | lol | 04:45 |
| free_rabbit | lol | 04:45 |
| GoatAvenger | well, technically I'm not a creature of the forest | 04:45 |
| GoatAvenger | or rather, goats aren't | 04:45 |
| fsmithred | time for sleep. see you all later | 04:46 |
| GoatAvenger | g'night | 04:46 |
| free_rabbit | GoatAvenger: good night | 04:46 |
| jonadab | GoatAvenger: Unscratchable itch. | 04:46 |
| free_rabbit | fsmithred: bye and thx a lot again! | 04:47 |
| free_rabbit | oh wait the Goat isnt going to sleep X) | 04:47 |
| jonadab | Which, many otherwise mundane itches can be made unscratcheable by simple dint of securing the hands behind the back. | 04:47 |
| furrywolf | and bondage too! | 04:48 |
| free_rabbit | im going to sleep now. thx to everyone who helped me out and have a nice day or night or what timezone ever you are in right now ^^ | 06:21 |
| free_rabbit | bye | 06:27 |
| gnu-noob | hey all | 08:52 |
| gnu-noob | finally giving devuan a try | 08:52 |
| gnu-noob | got so tired of debian and systemd | 08:52 |
| gnu-noob | this feels nice already | 08:52 |
| gnarface | welcome aboard | 08:56 |
| LtWorf | gnu-noob: by the way you can install sysvinit on debian too | 09:05 |
| LtWorf | i think (hope) the devuan fixes to init scripts and such get ported | 09:06 |
| gnu-noob | yeah i know but that isn't the point | 09:06 |
| gnu-noob | debian is infected with a whole new generation of people that beleive a whole lot of wacky stuff | 09:07 |
| gnu-noob | debian is no longer debian, it has been lobotomized by a cult | 09:07 |
| golinux | LtWorf: sysvinit is default on Devuan. It installs itself unless you chose another init | 09:07 |
| LtWorf | you do know that most of the packages in devuan come from debian tho right? | 09:08 |
| golinux | Oops misread. I'm tired | 09:08 |
| gnu-noob | LtWorf: indeed. this is debian before the takeover by the whackjobs | 09:09 |
| golinux | There is currently debate in Debian whether inits other than systemd will continue to be supported. | 09:09 |
| LtWorf | ah you're here to insult people, got it | 09:10 |
| golinux | Not for discussion here though | 09:10 |
| gnu-noob | insults cannot be given, they can only be taken | 09:10 |
| golinux | +1 | 09:10 |
| LtWorf | golinux: i see. I guess not many users are using them and it gets even more difficult to support them without frequent bugreports or maintainers using it | 09:10 |
| golinux | No that's not it. Let's go to #debianfork | 09:11 |
| gnu-noob | golinux: /join #debianfork | 09:11 |
| LtWorf | golinux: well considering that 99% of people who make debian packages have nothing to do with the init in use, and considering that those packages are directly imported into devuan… i don't see what you're solving | 09:12 |
| gnu-noob | oops sorry | 09:12 |
| golinux | LtWorf: Answered on #debianfork | 09:14 |
| LtWorf | since i'm not there and irc isn't slack, i don't see what the point is :) | 09:14 |
| golinux | Well, that ends this discussion, | 09:15 |
| golinux | Here at least | 09:15 |
| LtWorf | I replied to you on another irc server | 09:16 |
| gyrobalo | /join #debianfork | 09:22 |
| dabc | Maybe daily offtopic talks can be avoided if the channel topic will mention that for general discussions about init systems there is #debianfork. But I don't know how exactly this should be put | 09:25 |
| dabc | I guess #debianfork should be mentioned anyway | 09:26 |
| holycow | i don't think you need to be too black and white about the rules as the traffic here is not going to be too big for quite a while | 09:34 |
| holycow | someone can just remeind everyone of the rules when things get out of hand like earlier which is usually just fine imho | 09:35 |
| dabc | and that has been happening pretty much every day lately | 09:36 |
| holycow | ah. i can see where you are coming from then. makes sense. | 09:36 |
| onefang | When I woke up today, I saw there was almost 400 lines to catch up on in this channel. The last few lines where something about furries and bondage. I didn't bother reading all of those 400 lines to see if there was support stuff I could answer, or things I might learn. | 09:49 |
| onefang | "This is the Devuan https://devuan.org/ discussion channel " maybe change that to "This is the Devuan https://devuan.org/ support channel, discussions go to #debianfork "? | 09:50 |
| dabc | it sounds fine | 09:58 |
| holycow | good night. thanks for all the work on devuan. | 10:54 |
| topro | hi there, since raspi is a somewhat officially (?!?) supported plattform for devuan, is there going to be a 64bit beowulf image for raspi 4? If yes, is that one already actively being worked on? | 14:18 |
| Hurgotron | There seems to be a slight difference between the xterm in Ubuntu 14.04 and the one in Devuan ascii which is not reflected in the version numbers (both 327-2). Something about multibyte UTF characters. | 14:24 |
| Hurgotron | ah fuck, I always have problems which are so special no one is able to reproduce them anyway -.- | 14:25 |
| free_speech | which debian release is the base of devuan ascii ? | 14:30 |
| free_speech | 'cause I have xterm 344 | 14:30 |
| free_speech | debian buster ... | 14:30 |
| Hurgotron | yaay I got it. Took me a while. | 14:32 |
| onefang | Devuan ASCII is based on Debian Stretch. | 14:33 |
| free_speech | and ... isn't ubuntu (version doesn't matter in my context) based on debian testing ? | 14:33 |
| Hurgotron | ok, maybe it helps someone: I have mutt (text MUA) in screen running on my server. With ubuntu xterm everything is fine, with Devuan xterm the formatting was messed up here ebay has weird UTF8 icons in their subject lines. | 14:34 |
| onefang | Ubunut is generally based on Debian testing. | 14:34 |
| Hurgotron | xterm -mk_width fixes this. I guess it's default for Ubuntu. | 14:35 |
| Hurgotron | (the issue doesn't show without screen, for some reason) | 14:35 |
| fsmithred | pretty sure ubuntu is based on unstable. I think they did one or two releases based on testing, long time ag. | 14:39 |
| fsmithred | ao | 14:39 |
| fsmithred | ago | 14:39 |
| Wonka | also, didn't ubuntu diverge quite some way from debian? For years now? | 14:53 |
| onefang | Most likely. | 14:54 |
| nemo | https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=systemd-homed | 17:38 |
| james1138 | For any interested: The newest kernels are out along with their bug fixes - https://lwn.net/Articles/800244/rss | 17:39 |
| nemo | I thought at first it was a joke article | 17:40 |
| nemo | heh. the forum thread is funny | 17:41 |
| fsmithred | not a joke, and if you want to talk about it, #debianfork is the right place | 17:41 |
| golinux | nemo: What fsmithred said . . . please | 18:07 |
| UsL | anyone good with xfce in here? I lost my desktop. Panels are there but the desktop is gone with its menu and icons. | 20:00 |
| UsL | happened after normal reboot | 20:01 |
| UsL | https://paste.debian.net/1102229/ from xsession-errors. Canberra module stick out, but I don't know what it means | 20:02 |
| james1138 | UsL: This may help with Xfce: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=882792 | 20:19 |
| Hurgotron | <james1138> UsL: This may help with Xfce: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=882792 | 20:25 |
| UsL | thanks Hurgotron. Looked through it but no luck really. | 20:47 |
| fsmithred | UsL, try moving .config/xfce log out and log in. That will make it like the first login. If it doesn't work, you can put the old dir back. | 20:48 |
| UsL | I'll try that. | 20:49 |
| gnarface | UsL: if that doesn't work, make sure you have libcanberra-gtk-module installed still | 20:50 |
| UsL | what is canberra-module? I did have it missing in the log | 20:50 |
| UsL | https://paste.debian.net/1102229/ | 20:50 |
| gnarface | that is all i'm going on. i googled the error and that's the first suggested fix. | 20:50 |
| UsL | yup | 20:51 |
| UsL | I'll try it | 20:51 |
| gnarface | if that turns out to be the issue though, you're probably gonna wanna figure out what you did that removed it | 20:51 |
| gnarface | it is not something that it would have done without warning you | 20:52 |
| UsL | hm, I only do apt update/upgrade and apt auto remove really. Never really mess with stuff. Have no time for that ; ) | 20:53 |
| gnarface | well, when you do that there is sometimes a field clearly labeled as packages to be removed. it's important to actually read that and not skim over it | 20:54 |
| gnarface | though in normal operation it is not expected to do this except during upgrades, or if you're adding packages from other repositories (even backports or other versions of devuan) | 20:55 |
| UsL | I have main contrib and non-free | 20:55 |
| gnarface | it should only add or upgrade packages during normal operation as long as you stick with the official devuan repo and don't mix 3rd party packages in. | 20:55 |
| UsL | only security backports I think. | 20:56 |
| gnarface | contrib and non-free shouldn't change that on stable - for testing and unstable your mileage may vary | 20:56 |
| UsL | yeah. | 20:56 |
| gnarface | this type of stuff happens all the time to testing and unstable actually | 20:56 |
| UsL | I'll try with a fresh .config/xgce4 and see what happens | 20:56 |
| gnarface | i should have started by confirming you're still on ascii | 20:56 |
| UsL | I'll need to save my beautiful panels somehow first | 20:57 |
| UsL | I am stil on ascii : ) | 20:57 |
| gnarface | you could alternately just make a whole new user | 20:57 |
| UsL | been smooth sailing for 1½ year now | 20:57 |
| gnarface | or a backup of the entire home directory of that user | 20:57 |
| gnarface | hmmm | 20:57 |
| fsmithred | new user is probably the easiest | 20:57 |
| UsL | yeah. I'll tinker with it | 20:57 |
| UsL | thanks for helping | 20:58 |
| gnarface | anything bad that is only happening to one user is almost certainly a corruption in that user's private configuration | 20:58 |
| gnarface | if you can figure out what and prove it wasn't self-inflicted, then you have good info for a bug report that might even be taken seriously by upstream | 20:59 |
| UsL | yeah, If I'll get illuminated in the process that is : ) | 20:59 |
| UsL | see you on the other side | 20:59 |
| gnarface | good luck | 20:59 |
| UsL | thanks for helping fsmithred and gnarface | 21:00 |
| nemo | oh. speaking of ascii. is the new release coming up soon? | 21:15 |
| gnarface | nemo: no official word on that yet | 21:18 |
| gnarface | people are already using beowulf though | 21:18 |
| gnarface | i wouldn't recommend it, but people are | 21:19 |
| nemo | gnarface: I'm not about to try that on work servers so am not in a big rush | 21:20 |
| nemo | gnarface: however my SO's laptop could benefit from the kernel update | 21:20 |
| nemo | right now I'm manually cramming in a fixed kernel | 21:21 |
| gnarface | nemo: you can get the same kernel from ascii-backports safely | 21:21 |
| nemo | oh? finally? | 21:21 |
| nemo | I checked it semiobsessively for like a year | 21:21 |
| nemo | then gave up | 21:21 |
| gnarface | uh... for a few months now | 21:21 |
| nemo | nice! | 21:21 |
| gnarface | wait, which kernel do you need? | 21:21 |
| nemo | I'll do that when I get back home | 21:21 |
| gnarface | 4.19 is new enough right? | 21:21 |
| gnarface | or did you need the 5.2 one? | 21:21 |
| nemo | ummmm let me check to see if the machine is active | 21:21 |
| nemo | can tell you real quick | 21:21 |
| nemo | YES. 4.19 will work beautifully | 21:22 |
| gnarface | 4.19 is in ascii-backports, that solves driver issues for a lot of people | 21:22 |
| nemo | if I wasn't on my way home right now anyway, I'd update it immediately remotely | 21:22 |
| nemo | gnarface: yeah, after a bit of nagging, a debian kernel maintainer thoughtfully enabled the flag I needed | 21:23 |
| nemo | but getting the kernel patch he'd provided into stable debian was taking a looooong time | 21:23 |
| nemo | thought I'd have to wait for the new devuan release | 21:23 |
| nemo | I've been maintaining a custom kernel on her machine for over a year now | 21:24 |
| gnarface | lots of people are regularly in that position, so they created backports. always remember to check there first | 21:24 |
| nemo | oh for sure | 21:24 |
| nemo | I'd been checking like every week or two... | 21:24 |
| nemo | then every month | 21:24 |
| nemo | and as time rolled on kinda gave up | 21:25 |
| gnarface | i think there might be some mailing list you can get on actually | 21:26 |
| gnarface | not sure about that | 21:26 |
| gnarface | i thought there was an announcement list for package builds | 21:26 |
| gnarface | or repo submissions or whatever | 21:26 |
| gnarface | like from debian not devaun | 21:26 |
| nemo | well. I'd tracked the package creation, it was it showing up in backports that was taking forever | 21:27 |
| nemo | I guess writing a monitor script would've worked | 21:27 |
| UsL | solution was to type 'xfdesktop' in a terminal and hit enter. | 21:55 |
| UsL | I am dead inside now. | 21:55 |
| UsL | : ) | 21:55 |
| gnarface | hmm. xfdesktop4 - Xfce desktop background, icons and root menu manager? | 22:00 |
| gnarface | is that just a userspace daemon that should have been started automatically for him? i still don't feel like we know what caused this issue. | 22:00 |
| gnarface | my hypothesis remains that something important got deleted or removed | 22:01 |
| gnarface | but it is not clear if this was a self-inflicted problem or not | 22:01 |
| fsmithred | yeah, xfdesktop should start without user intervention | 22:02 |
| holycow | hi all | 22:03 |
| gnarface | hi holycow | 22:03 |
| holycow | anyone here have devuan virtualized on qemu and working with gpu passthrough on a radeon gpu? | 22:04 |
| gnarface | never tried it, but that is a thing that should work | 22:04 |
| holycow | i think the gpu firmware is not loading properly | 22:04 |
| gnarface | did you get the amd firmware package from non-free? | 22:05 |
| holycow | i tried firmware from debian repos to test but kernel crashes on boot | 22:05 |
| holycow | gnarface: i did indeed | 22:05 |
| gnarface | are you in ascii, using the ascii-backports kernel? | 22:06 |
| holycow | ascii but not using backported kernel | 22:06 |
| climbingturtle | I did try it on Devaun at first, but did not get i to work. I tried Fedora and got it to work. But I probably could'nt get i to work in devuan cuse I did not had the knowledge at the time. | 22:06 |
| gnarface | holycow: this firmware package, right? firmware-amd-graphics-20161130-5 | 22:06 |
| holycow | that is the one, correct | 22:07 |
| holycow | not using backported kernel though | 22:07 |
| gnarface | holycow: which radeon card? | 22:07 |
| holycow | r9 280x | 22:07 |
| gnarface | so a new one | 22:08 |
| gnarface | i have a couple theories | 22:08 |
| holycow | well kinda, its supported by the radeon drivers not amd-gpu | 22:08 |
| gnarface | can you dig the exact firmware loading error out of dmesg? | 22:08 |
| holycow | sure one sec | 22:08 |
| gnarface | this is on the host we're dealing with first, right? | 22:09 |
| gnarface | gotta make sure it works right for the host before addressing any guest issues | 22:09 |
| gnarface | paste the relevant section of dmesg at paste.debian.net | 22:10 |
| gnarface | but i'm thinking you might need the backport kernel, which would mean you need to make sure to get that firmware package from backports too | 22:10 |
| gnarface | it might need bug fixes that didn't make it into the stable kernel | 22:11 |
| gnarface | but i also seem to remember someone with similar hardware finding out they also needed firmware-linux-free or firmware-linux-nonfree | 22:11 |
| holycow | i installed those as well | 22:12 |
| holycow | note: i am typing from the actual devuan guest, i removed the virtual gpus | 22:12 |
| gnarface | hmm. ok | 22:12 |
| holycow | note: i have about a dozen virtual machiens (mostly debian) getting amd r9 280x gpu passthrough just fine | 22:13 |
| gnarface | ok. same exact hardware? | 22:13 |
| holycow | same exact hardare, correct. all running on same host. | 22:13 |
| gnarface | ok. good to know. | 22:13 |
| gnarface | that narrows it down to a probable permission or package version/installation issue | 22:14 |
| holycow | basically debian just needs the radeon driver and the amd firmware package | 22:14 |
| holycow | i think so too | 22:14 |
| gnarface | but that's debian current stable right? | 22:14 |
| holycow | current stable correct | 22:14 |
| gnarface | they're on stable sooner right now, so note that they'll have newer kernel versions than devuan ascii | 22:15 |
| holycow | *nod* | 22:15 |
| gnarface | if that's the key difference, then the ascii-backports kernel should be what you need | 22:15 |
| holycow | with devuan firmware the system does boot up and i can see the cli login via spice | 22:15 |
| gnarface | (or alternately you can use this as an opportunity to test devuan beowulf) | 22:15 |
| holycow | however | 22:15 |
| holycow | with debian firmware the kernel crashes on boot | 22:15 |
| holycow | i was thinking i may need to recompile the kernel | 22:15 |
| holycow | aha! | 22:16 |
| gnarface | rebuilding the kernel could work too but in theory someone has already done that work for you in ascii-backports | 22:16 |
| holycow | is this correct? --> deb http://deb.devuan.org/merged <release codename>-backports main | 22:17 |
| gnarface | well it only exists for ascii but yes | 22:17 |
| gnarface | some day that will also exist for beowulf | 22:17 |
| holycow | k, lets see what happens | 22:17 |
| gnarface | deb http://pkgmaster.devuan.org/merged ascii-backports main contrib non-free | 22:18 |
| gnarface | deb http://deb.devuan.org/merged ascii-backports main contrib non-free | 22:18 |
| gnarface | either of these should work ^ | 22:18 |
| gnarface | don't forget the non-free part for firmware-amd-graphics | 22:19 |
| gnarface | those firmware packages are not intended to be interchangeable, they go along with specific kernel version packages | 22:19 |
| gnarface | but you will want to avoid getting *everything* from backports because the stuff in there just isn't as thoroughly tested | 22:20 |
| holycow | right right | 22:20 |
| holycow | gnarface: thank you kindly for the tips. disconnecting, time to do some testing | 22:23 |
| kahiru | hey, I've read that "openrc is now an option at installation". Yet when I tried an install, there was no such option. Is it somewhere hidden and I need to look carefully? | 22:27 |
| gnarface | kahiru: choose expert mode | 22:27 |
| kahiru | I see | 22:28 |
| kahiru | here we go again | 22:28 |
| fsmithred | near the beginning of the install | 22:28 |
| fsmithred | there's a whole list of extra things to choose | 22:28 |
| fsmithred | openrc is in that list | 22:28 |
| kahiru | is in in the graphical installer as well? | 22:28 |
| fsmithred | should be | 22:28 |
| fsmithred | they are the same | 22:29 |
| gnarface | NOT the "live" one though | 22:29 |
| kahiru | this should probably be written somewhere | 22:29 |
| gnarface | indeed | 22:29 |
| fsmithred | it might be in the install instructions | 22:30 |
| fsmithred | nope. The install guide (the one with the pictures) is for a regular install. | 22:32 |
| kahiru | well either I'm blind, doing something wrong or its not in the graphical installer | 22:32 |
| fsmithred | you weren't presented with a list of extra components to add? | 22:33 |
| kahiru | oh I see | 22:33 |
| kahiru | grub > advanced options > graphical expert install, not some kind of "i know what I'm doing" withotu the installer itself | 22:34 |
| kahiru | that's a bit hidden, but thanks for pointing me in the right direction | 22:40 |
| Di0genes | Where does Devuan install liblmdb.so? | 23:45 |
| gnarface | Di0genes: varies by architecture. if you have it installed and you're trying to find it, just run this: dpkg -S liblmdb.so | 23:47 |
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