libera/#devuan/ Sunday, 2019-10-27

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caedesHi! What's the state of Devuan Beowulf? Do install images exist already? Where can I get them? Couldn't find anythong on files.devuan.org or the mirrors01:56
buZzthere's no install images yet01:57
buZzalso hi caedes :)01:57
caedesso the way to use it is to install ascii, edit sources.list and do apt-get dist-upgrade?01:57
buZzyeah01:58
caedeshow stable is it? does it make sense to use it on a productive but not super important system that I would prefer not to reinstall in the foreseeable future?01:58
tuxd3vbuZz: you mean 'ceres' ??01:58
tuxd3vho...forgot01:58
tuxd3vshame on my eyes... lol01:59
buZzits pretty much stable01:59
buZzsome package issues still01:59
buZzbut nothing big01:59
caedesis there a list of issues somewhere so I can check if I even care about those packages?02:00
buZzhmm, there might be02:01
buZzi havent seen any though02:01
caedesok02:03
* tuxd3v tuxd3v is on Terminator Genisys mode, goes with the bigger gun02:58
agrisgolinux, do you have a minute?03:42
golinuxOK03:43
golinuxIs there a question?03:44
n0a110wdevuan cd team- is there an ISO with only one El Torito boot record for BIOS only? similar to the special iso that debian puts out for old apple macs?03:59
rrqafaui the installer iso all include 3 boot variants: el torito, uefi and bios04:17
* tuxd3v John Connor talks too much...follow me..!04:36
xrogaanI got some signature issue:08:07
xrogaanErr:5 http://deb.devuan.org/merged ascii-security InRelease08:07
xrogaan  The following signatures were invalid: BADSIG BB23C00C61FC752C Devuan Repository (Amprolla3 on Nemesis) <repository@devuan.org>08:07
xrogaanErr:6 http://deb.devuan.org/merged ascii-updates InRelease08:07
xrogaan  The following signatures were invalid: BADSIG BB23C00C61FC752C Devuan Repository (Amprolla3 on Nemesis) <repository@devuan.org>08:07
xrogaanErr:7 http://deb.devuan.org/merged ascii-backports InRelease08:07
xrogaan  The following signatures were invalid: BADSIG BB23C00C61FC752C Devuan Repository (Amprolla3 on Nemesis) <repository@devuan.org>08:07
onefangYes, we are looking into that now.08:07
xrogaanthanks :)08:07
FleaFartin Devuan 2.1 there are 6 of the same thing, I remove the last 4 and it worked.08:13
FleaFartin the Repositories08:14
onefangThe BADSIG error should be resolved on all the mirrors by now.09:31
onefangxrogaan: ^^^09:34
xrogaanyes, I'm on -dev too. I just woke up at the time and didn't have the backlog nor awake enough to check everything :)09:35
xrogaanthanks :)09:36
onefangYou're welcome.09:36
n0a110wrrq, due to the nature of the old mac firmware, i need an ISO that is NOT hybrid, but instead just contains one el torito record for BIOS. Any idea how i can repack the ISO for BIOS only?10:44
rrqascii 2.1 amd64 ?10:46
rrqor i386 maybe?10:51
fsmithredyjsy10:51
fsmithredpp[d10:51
fsmithredthat's isohybrid too10:51
fsmithredhow old a mac is it?10:52
rrqyeah: I meant I want to know which arch is needed10:52
fsmithredmount iso, rsync copy to another directory, then make a new iso with xorriso minus the options for isohybrid and uefi10:53
fsmithredsome old macs want 64-bit system with 32-bit uefi bootloader10:54
n0a110wits a 2006 macmini1,1 very special case11:10
n0a110wi was looking for the exact flags needed to pass to genisoimage , i've never worked with packing ISOs before11:11
n0a110wdebian puts out an ISO for the old mac firmware, as they mention here https://wiki.debian.org/MacMiniIntel#Macmini_1.2C111:12
n0a110wworks, but systemd is not for me :)11:13
rrqmy old mac mini was happy installing from usb11:14
rrq(the devuan iso dd-ed onto the usb) (netinstall I think)11:16
n0a110wwhat year/model is it? my mac mini won't boot from usb11:30
fsmithredI believe it was a 2006 macbook pro that needed the 32/64 mix.11:31
fsmithredn0a110w, I can probably give you the xorriso command to use - when I'm a little more awake.11:31
n0a110wthat'd be perfect fsmithred11:32
fsmithredpretty sure I have it in a file somewhere11:32
n0a110wgood deal. i've done similar to build a Puppy image for this mac before (using mkisofs) , but am unsure how to adapt it to devuans structure11:36
fsmithredif you have a newer machine with space to install devuan into a VM, you could build your own iso using refractasnapshot11:38
n0a110wi do, im not familiar with refractasnapshot but ill check it out11:39
fsmithredboot one of the live isos11:40
n0a110wooo fancy11:44
fsmithred?11:45
n0a110wlooking at the frecta snapshot options, not seeing an immediate option for uefi disabled or BIOS only11:45
fsmithredlook in the config file11:45
fsmithredthere's an option to turn on/off isohybrid11:46
n0a110wso there is11:46
fsmithredisohybrid is on by default, uefi is off by default (I think)11:46
n0a110wthat's excellent11:46
n0a110will give it a go11:46
fsmithredyou'll need to use refractainstaller, which is also in the live isos11:47
n0a110wand how would that work exactly?11:52
fsmithredhang on a sec...11:52
fsmithredrefractainstaller installs the live system that's running11:54
fsmithredyou can boot the devuan iso in a VM, run refractainstaller to install to virtual disk, then boot the VM and make whatever changes you want in packages and configs, then run refractasnapshot to make your own live-iso, then boot that on the macmini11:56
fsmithredthe installer is set up to allow separate /boot and /home partitions if you want11:56
n0a110wOh okay i gotcha11:56
fsmithredif you want fancier partitioning, the script has a nasty hack to make more separate partitions11:57
fsmithredif you want raid or lvm, you can do some manual partitioning and then install11:57
n0a110w i can do that later, i just need to boot up from an iso and install the core system11:58
fsmithredit will allow encryption of / and /home11:58
fsmithredxorriso commands. You want the last one: https://termbin.com/chtf12:01
fsmithredfpr that, mount the iso you want, rsync copy to empty dir (myiso/ in this case), then run the command to make the same iso without the uefi and isohybrid features12:02
n0a110wahhhh, you are the man12:02
n0a110wEXACTLY what i need12:02
fsmithredbut not as much fun as making your own custom iso12:03
n0a110wlooks like it anyways, hopefully12:03
fsmithredyeah, that should work12:03
fsmithredand will be easier12:03
n0a110whmm, the isolinux.bin file could not be found12:11
fsmithredoh, that might need to be isolinux/isolinux.bin like it is in the first command12:12
fsmithredalso -c isolinux/boot.cat12:13
n0a110woh, duh12:13
fsmithredyeah, the command I gave you got copied from one that was used for repacking a mini.iso, which does not have an isolinux directory12:14
n0a110wsweet, works good virtually. now to go try it on the mac itself12:17
]BFG[xrogaan use netvibes12:20
n0a110wfsmithred, it worked :) good looking out12:33
fsmithredcool!12:34
fsmithredn0a110w, does it require i386 or amd64?12:35
n0a110wi38612:35
fsmithredok, maybe I'll make one and put it up on my own site12:35
n0a110wfor sure12:36
n0a110wwhat's your site?12:36
xrogaanwhat?12:37
fsmithredrefracta.org12:40
fsmithredbrb need more coffee12:40
n0a110wOh, nice, i see you12:43
fsmithredneed to light the wood stove, too. I'll be back in about 15 minutes12:43
xrogaanwhy did I get hl?12:47
fsmithredxrogaan, what?12:59
onefangxrogaan is referring to the comment by ]BFG[ about using netvibes.  I'm wondering the same thing, and suspect ]BFG[ might have been responding to the wrong person.13:03
rrqn0a110w: great you got it working. Mine is a mac mini 2,1 (4GB) and was "interesting" to tickle into booting from USB.. then using UEFI I believe (already some weeks ago)14:16
n0a110wthanks rrq, and that's great.. the mac mini's seem to be rock solid15:04
JTechnois there an iso image for testing?19:03
fsmithredJTechno, soon - we're working on them19:34
JTechnook, thank you20:27
premobosshi. father with children and... youtube. i wish to block some of those channel but not all youtube.  itried to isntall a dedicated linuxbox as accesspoint with squid and dasnguardian.  but then i see dansguardian DOES NOT block attps, so it is unusefull. so, i ask here if it is possible to block part of internet (i.e. XXX websites) and some channel of youtub based on words (i.e. minecraft).21:29
specingjust block whole youtube and give your children some books21:34
FleaFart_premoboss, I wonder if a router could be made to block them, so the devices couldn't create a work-a-round.21:34
specingno, it wouldnt21:35
FleaFart_thanks21:35
agristhe internet treats censorship as a fault and routes around it. Sure there's nannyware out there but it's always trivial to bypass or has unintended consequences.21:35
agrisPerhaps a more one on one approach would be effective21:36
FleaFart_The problem with one on one; is some teens are in a rebel stage. I would assume that why a parent has to be a parent.21:37
agrisand no amount of router configuration is going to stop a middle school-er with a copy of tor browser21:38
agrishttps://invidio.us/watch?v=DkEqWGF3cvg21:42
JTechnowhy do I get "ifup: interface eth0 already configured" on boot if I just configured the network on /etc/network/interfaces?23:10
rrqprobably that there are multiple networking solutions at play23:31

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