| agris | I can't connect to any wifi network with a unicode name | 05:20 |
|---|---|---|
| agris | wicd crashes | 05:20 |
| agris | in Devuan Stable | 05:20 |
| slphil | immediate recommendation: don't use wicd, I always have trouble with it (it still doesn't work in console without the patched version that is in nobody's repos) | 05:22 |
| tuxd3v | I use wicd and I have 0 problems with it.. | 05:24 |
| furrywolf | wicd is buggy in general. | 05:24 |
| tuxd3v | but usually I don't try to sabotage wicd :) | 05:24 |
| furrywolf | I have a lot more than 0 problems with it. lol | 05:24 |
| tuxd3v | a lot more than 0, ...is a problem.. :) | 05:26 |
| agris | what is the other solution? because I actually need wifi I can't just use wired all the time | 05:26 |
| tuxd3v | don't use utf8 chars in SSID? | 05:27 |
| agris | out of my control | 05:27 |
| furrywolf | I don't know. I had networkmanager on another box, and it's worse in every way. | 05:27 |
| slphil | using anything more than wpa_supplicant is hedonism | 05:28 |
| agris | yeah network manager has even more problems | 05:28 |
| furrywolf | if you'll always be connecting to the same network, you can manually set up wpa_supplicant. | 05:28 |
| agris | That's not ideal on a laptop | 05:28 |
| slphil | just use wpa_gui if you need graphical config, wpa_supplicant rules | 05:28 |
| slphil | text file configuration is the correct way | 05:28 |
| furrywolf | doesn't systemd have a wifi manager in pid1 now? :) | 05:29 |
| * agris sites down a random coffee shop, has to screw around with vim and sudo and editing system files just to connect to random wifi | 05:29 | |
| agris | *sits | 05:29 |
| agris | sure manual wpa_supplicant is a emergency fix, but that's not a long term solution | 05:30 |
| agris | Does Debian upstream wicd have this problem? | 05:30 |
| agris | or wicd from asci--backports | 05:30 |
| slphil | agris: `sudo su` `wpa_gui` problem solved | 05:30 |
| slphil | it even writes to the same config file | 05:31 |
| agris | what about network management like setting hostname, calling pre-up scripts, DHCP or static | 05:32 |
| agris | that's what wicd does, keeps profiles for the settings of each network | 05:32 |
| tuxd3v | who in this world uses utf8 chars in the SSID?? it is like...heresy?? | 05:32 |
| slphil | changing hostnames based on network seems like bad practice | 05:32 |
| agris | it's required on some networks setting the DHCP hostname | 05:33 |
| agris | tuxd3v, everyone who doesn't speak english | 05:34 |
| slphil | there are people who don't speak english?? | 05:36 |
| tuxd3v | agris: cant you guys just use system normal letters.. | 05:36 |
| slphil | well idk man, maybe grab the patched wicd from AUR and see if that fixes your problem, it solved the console issue for me | 05:36 |
| slphil | tuxd3v: the ssid standard doesn't even specify an encoding lmao | 05:36 |
| agris | Материал | 05:36 |
| agris | Как насчет русских | 05:37 |
| tuxd3v | its like creating folders with spaces in between...I saw that a dozen of times and past 20 years, I still don't understand it.. | 05:38 |
| agris | ¿Qué hay del español? | 05:38 |
| tuxd3v | fortunately for some utf8 is a lot more comun today, but that doesn't mean we should abuse it in every place.. | 05:38 |
| tuxd3v | in a text document, sure, but in the system? | 05:39 |
| agris | Sure | 05:39 |
| agris | How do you think icons work in status bars? | 05:40 |
| agris | there's a unicode symbol of block storage, network intrface, etc | 05:40 |
| agris | power symbol | 05:40 |
| agris | α β γ | 05:41 |
| tuxd3v | using letters outside system scope, only brings problems.. | 05:42 |
| agris | Not everybody lives in America tuxd3v | 05:50 |
| tuxd3v | slphil: but the software has some tendency to take some time to mature enough to accept/work as you expect.. in the mean time if you use caracters outside range, some strange situation could ocurr | 05:51 |
| tuxd3v | I play always on the safe side | 05:51 |
| tuxd3v | agris: I don't live in American continent, I live in Europe, probably like you do.. | 05:51 |
| agris | reminds me of the time a bank shut down because someone names one of their accounts an emoji | 05:52 |
| tuxd3v | not only banks.. look it hapens a lot of times with Asiatic alphabets, in browser, blue since BSODS, to reboots, and so on.. | 05:53 |
| tuxd3v | is now happens less times than in the past, but still hapens.. | 05:54 |
| tuxd3v | I avoid using indigenous alphabets, the most I can :) | 05:55 |
| agris | I did try fixing it myself but I couldn't find the actual line with the problem | 05:56 |
| tuxd3v | Actually you gave me an idea :) | 05:57 |
| agris | It's part of a function and python leaves horrible traces when things break inside functions | 05:58 |
| tuxd3v | maybe I will set the SSID in the work to something nasty.. nobody authenticates there :D | 05:59 |
| agris | If you leave the BSSID the same clients should still autoconnect despite the name change | 06:00 |
| tuxd3v | agris: even when you are at more than 75%-80% of your lease time? | 06:03 |
| tuxd3v | we have 1.7.4 version... 1.7.5 was not yet released.. | 06:06 |
| tuxd3v | I was looking for a changelog | 06:06 |
| agris | what? | 06:06 |
| tuxd3v | wicd: v1.7.4 | 06:06 |
| tuxd3v | I couldn't find a changelog reporting utf-8 support.. | 06:13 |
| agris | debian or devuan? | 06:14 |
| tuxd3v | Isearched the web for wicd.. | 06:14 |
| agris | Debian's got some utf8 patches but I don't know when the devuan fork occured | 06:14 |
| agris | the problem is where wicd saves the profile | 06:14 |
| agris | it's a for loop | 06:14 |
| agris | for sname in somearray | 06:15 |
| agris | I narrowed it down to the function but that function could be calling other sub-functions and the problem may lay elsewhere | 06:15 |
| agris | python problems | 06:15 |
| agris | I did try various variables related to ssids and names and appending var.decode('utf-8') to them but didn't manage to touch the actual line causing the issue | 06:16 |
| tuxd3v | that should be python 2.7 or ealier.. | 06:18 |
| tuxd3v | python3 defaults to utf-8 I believe | 06:18 |
| agris | yes wicd is python2.7 | 06:18 |
| tuxd3v | can you load python3 in the shebang, nad test after that? | 06:19 |
| agris | that's unlikely to work | 06:19 |
| slphil | agris: devuan uses the same packages from debian except for the ones that are modified | 06:20 |
| agris | Has wicd already been converted to that new language? | 06:20 |
| tuxd3v | #! /usr/bin/env /usr/bin/python3 | 06:20 |
| agris | python2. != python3 | 06:20 |
| slphil | they're not even kind of compatible lol | 06:21 |
| slphil | it's been a mess for over a decade | 06:21 |
| tuxd3v | indeed | 06:21 |
| agris | just checked it just in case | 06:23 |
| agris | it's not compatible | 06:23 |
| agris | complains about print syntax | 06:23 |
| tuxd3v | at least you tried! | 06:24 |
| agris | YEAH! =D | 06:24 |
| tuxd3v | if you do var.decode(), it should work, but then you need to be decoding and encoding , back and forward.. | 06:25 |
| tuxd3v | a mess | 06:25 |
| agris | yeah | 06:25 |
| agris | I'm not upgrading python2 stuff to python 3 | 06:25 |
| agris | I'd rather just use Perl for new deployments. Stupid stuff like this in python 3 too they'll probably break with a new incompatible version again in the future. | 06:26 |
| tuxd3v | probably, but it will tend to be each time more compatible.. | 06:27 |
| tuxd3v | python is a new language, or some sort of.. | 06:27 |
| tuxd3v | if you compare it with its father language ofcourse.. | 06:28 |
| tuxd3v | I believe Java born in 1992? Lua in 1993, and I remember that Java 20 years later still had incompatibilities, the same with Lua | 06:30 |
| tuxd3v | Lua 5.4 will have some incompatibilities with previous 5.3.. | 06:30 |
| agris | deprecations over a decade period's fine | 06:31 |
| onefang | And then there is Luajit, which I'm using right now to write the Devuan mirror checker script. I'm calling it apt-panopticon. | 06:31 |
| agris | completely rewriting the way the language works on the other hand is something else | 06:31 |
| agris | as in the case of python loops and exceptions | 06:31 |
| agris | I'll take another look at wicd tomorrow | 06:33 |
| tuxd3v | onefang: I am also using Lua, the PucRio version to develop a image builder.. | 06:33 |
| tuxd3v | if its python 2.7 is almost to forget.. | 06:35 |
| agris | wait so all strings in python are ascii by default? | 06:35 |
| tuxd3v | in python 2 I believe so | 06:35 |
| agris | wow | 06:36 |
| agris | just wow | 06:36 |
| agris | who | 06:36 |
| agris | who's idea was that? | 06:36 |
| tuxd3v | I don't know but probably utf-8 was not so used like today.. | 06:38 |
| tuxd3v | that's why you need to be using var.decode, and var.encode to ex:'CP1250' | 06:39 |
| agris | I think the problem is people not learning from history | 06:43 |
| agris | in this case the EBCID -> ASCII | 06:43 |
| tuxd3v | I found this: https://docs.python.org/2/howto/unicode.html | 06:43 |
| tuxd3v | but I recal that LSB scripts that are python2.7 I believe have unicode support | 06:45 |
| tuxd3v | /usr/bin/lsb_release | 06:46 |
| live2live | hi i just heard devuan is console only (but can then choose de) I could swear devuan 1 or 2 booted direct to xfce (or simple startx say) | 09:43 |
| live2live | is the new point release (or beowulf or ceres) boot to terminal now? do I need to install wm/de/x.org/displ mgr? | 09:44 |
| MinceR | devuan uses X and a display manager by default | 09:46 |
| MinceR | i haven't tried the new point release though | 09:46 |
| MinceR | but i doubt there's an actual intent to not boot to X | 09:47 |
| MinceR | by default | 09:47 |
| onefang | It depends on which method you use to install it. There's a server friendly install method that obviously doesn't install GUI stuff. | 09:47 |
| morruth | live2live: also it can depends on your video hardware | 09:56 |
| morruth | f.e on my laptop (dell 5575) devuan's stable release (ascii) can't use it's embedded gpu | 09:56 |
| live2live | ah i only test the live isos though, so maybe those are always gui, unlike installer isos say | 09:58 |
| live2live | onefang, have you tried the latest point release isos? | 09:58 |
| morruth | so i was neede to upgrade to unstable one (ceres) | 09:58 |
| morruth | live2live: what kind of video card you have? | 09:59 |
| onefang | I've not tried the latest ASCII point release ISOs. I debootstrapped ASCII onto my desktop and server long ago. | 10:00 |
| live2live | ah | 10:06 |
| Guest34 | Hi everyone! If I install Devuan from the net-install.iso with a Devuan desktop environment, I get libreoffice. If I install with just the cd-1.iso. I don't get Libreoffice, which is what I prefer. Is there are way to install the desktop from the net-installer.iso without Libreoffice? | 19:57 |
| furrywolf | you can always select individual packages instead of installing the complete tasks, or you could uninstall libreoffice. | 19:58 |
| Guest34 | Is there a way to select individual packages using the net-installer? | 20:02 |
| Guest34 | I don't remember seeing that option | 20:03 |
| Guest34 | maybe its in the GUI version of the net-installer? I always use the text version | 20:04 |
| loredlof | New kid on the block here (but been using devuan since the beginning) | 21:00 |
| tuxd3v | loredlof: Welcome! | 21:02 |
| tuxd3v | :) | 21:02 |
| loredlof | thanks | 21:03 |
| loredlof | does anyone know when (or if) there will be an image for raspberry pi 4? | 21:05 |
| golinux | When someone builds it. | 21:09 |
| golinux | You might try to do so yourself: https://devuan.org/os/distro-kit | 21:10 |
| loredlof | never tried building an image myself, wouldn't know where to start :( | 21:14 |
| loredlof | presumably it would involve using a cross compiler - never done that either! | 21:15 |
| fsmithred | if there's a debian image for rpi4 you could probable install that and then migrate it to devuan | 21:18 |
| loredlof | never thought of that. I've got a copy of rasbian-buster-lite. It works but is dog-slow to start, and I've given up trying to follow what *that* init system is doing :( | 21:21 |
| fsmithred | don't try to understand what it's doing. Boot it today. By tomorrow it should be ready to migrate. You can do something else until then. | 21:23 |
| fsmithred | I will warn you that migrating buster to beowulf might be tricky. | 21:23 |
| loredlof | I was afraid you might say that. | 21:24 |
| fsmithred | there are some discussions at dev1galaxy.org that will help. I'm not sure what the current best method it. | 21:25 |
| loredlof | Thanks. I'll see what I can discover -mind you I'm now remembering how it felt when I first tried using Linux circ. 2000 :o | 21:29 |
| fsmithred | I've been using that long, and it still feels like that sometimes. | 21:30 |
| loredlof | Heh | 21:32 |
| golinux | I prefer a time-warp to being strangled by systemd | 21:35 |
| loredlof | Exactly! The frustrating thing is that on the Pi3 devuan flies compared with rsapbian | 21:38 |
| loredlof | Oh well, things to do etc. TTFN | 21:57 |
| yeti | "if there's a debian image for rpi4" <<< if ther were one I would expect to see ith there >>> https://salsa.debian.org/raspi-team/image-specs | 23:17 |
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