| tuxd3v | Hello, | 01:14 |
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| tuxd3v | If anyone wants a arm64 devuan base rootfs, with minimal tools: | 01:15 |
| tuxd3v | https://meocloud.pt/link/8e725c8d-5831-481f-8119-00726adedac7/Devuan-ascii-base-arm64.tar.gz/ | 01:15 |
| asbesto | yo :) | 12:16 |
| ukine | hi | 12:17 |
| GyrosGeier | \o/ | 12:19 |
| ukine | yay~ | 12:19 |
| ukine | \._0\ | 12:19 |
| * GyrosGeier wonders where to get a sticker for his laptop | 12:20 | |
| ukine | cafepress | 12:20 |
| ukine | that is how i made a lot of mine. | 12:20 |
| GyrosGeier | I just need one though | 12:20 |
| ukine | including eff but when i can't trust someone i lie my ass off. | 12:21 |
| * ukine hugs. i'm agreeable when not stepped to... | 12:22 | |
| * ukine dances internally | 12:25 | |
| * ukine eyes you all right back. | 12:27 | |
| ukine | AT ALL. | 12:28 |
| jordila | I'm having trouble when Ascii ->> Beowulf, ..with a package being 'stucked' after completing the whole process. ( even tried 'aptitude safe-upgrade') ... No joy for now. Stucked/Offending so to speak is cgroupsfs-mount. Is it such a critical package ? Can i (for now) live without it (thus removing) in order to finish the upgrade process ? | 19:05 |
| debdog | jordila: what does "aptitude why cgroupsfs-mount" return? | 19:08 |
| debdog | https://github.com/tianon/cgroupfs-mount | 19:10 |
| debdog | it's not installed on my system which runs fine | 19:12 |
| debdog | not quite sure what these control groups actually are | 19:12 |
| golinux | jordila: https://pkginfo.devuan.org/cgi-bin/d1pkgweb-query?search=cgroupsfs-mount&release=any | 19:22 |
| golinux | 0 results for "cgroupsfs-mount" in any (in 17.418597ms) | 19:22 |
| golinux | Looks like a 3rd party pkg. | 19:23 |
| debdog | hmm, I have it in the list for available packages, too. and the only third party repo I am using is palemoon | 19:24 |
| jordila | hey, thxs for the feedback ... root@kali:/# aptitude why cgroupsfs-mount -->> | 19:24 |
| jordila | E: No package named "cgroupsfs-mount" exists. | 19:24 |
| Jjp137 | did you mean cgroupfs-mount instead (not "groups") | 19:25 |
| * jordila ummh... i played around, not anymore, witch lxc ...in the past. Maybe it is where it comes from ? | 19:26 | |
| debdog | oops, my bad. *aptitude why cgroupfs-mount | 19:26 |
| jordila | sequence of the error, goes like this ... : | 19:26 |
| golinux | Indeed. cgroupfs-mount is in the repos | 19:27 |
| * jordila may i use my one pad... in order not to flood the IRC channel ? , you can trust it... even if SSL cert is not so up to date... | 19:28 | |
| jordila | Please... http://pad.librebits.info/p/beowulf | 19:30 |
| jordila | Jjp137 , no. It's cgroupfs-mount . | 19:32 |
| jordila | My point, is when (after Asccii --> Beowulf ) rebooting, without such a package, would everything keep going fine ? yay? , i'm gonna try to get rid of cgroupfs-mount ... | 19:36 |
| * jordila feels like its fresh Bewulf is in a unstable status ? | 19:42 | |
| debdog | jordila: aptitude why cgroupfs-mount (without said s) | 19:43 |
| jordila | ah. | 19:44 |
| jordila | debdog see it ^^ http://pad.librebits.info/p/beowulf ,updated with the aptitude why info | 19:45 |
| jordila | it is, indeed, linked to lxc. | 19:46 |
| * jordila gonna remove lxc ^^ | 19:47 | |
| jordila | no way... even removing the related lxc package, cgroupfs-mount keeps being alive, no way to get rid of ? | 19:52 |
| debdog | I think your problem is: [....] Unmounting cgroupfs hierarchyumount: /sys/fs/cgroup/elogind: target is busy. | 19:53 |
| debdog | line 20 | 19:53 |
| mason | elogind is only necessary with some desktop software - maybe that can go. I nuke it from all my installs here. | 19:54 |
| * jordila ah... in fact, i'm having such a weird random problem, like slim not being able to authenticate my username/passwd... linked to elogind issue ? | 19:54 | |
| jordila | mason, would switching to... say iw3m desktop packages circumvent the issue ? | 19:55 |
| mason | jordila: It's certainly possible. I'm using plain old xdm here, and I run openbox out of .xsession, so I end up not invoking any of that vast, byzantine, fragile infrastructure. | 19:55 |
| mason | jordila: I'd suspect slim is more likely to require elogind than the window manager, but it'd probably be a step in the right direction. | 19:55 |
| jordila | or swith slim -> lightwm ? | 19:56 |
| mason | jordila: Hm, when I say "apt install slim" it does not try to pull in elogind, so if you'd be happy with i3, then that may well help, yeah. | 19:56 |
| jordila | mason, would awesomewm (iw3m cousin ? ) do the trick too ? | 19:56 |
| * jordila that's my guess.. uh | 19:57 | |
| mason | Not related codebases, but yeah, I think anything that's not one of the heavyweight desktop environments would likely free you from elogind. | 19:57 |
| mason | Also, your login errors could conceivably be logged to ~/.xsession-errors, so maybe you can just debug what you've got, too. | 19:58 |
| * jordila right now, his Xfce (original) devuan desktop is completeley screwed... BTW | 19:58 | |
| mason | Hm, I do see the xfce metapackage pulling in elogind. But also verify that you can log in on the console, etc. before assuming it's a display manager issue. | 19:59 |
| mason | or even an elogind issue | 19:59 |
| debdog | or see which process accesses /sys/fs/cgroup | 20:00 |
| debdog | with "lsof cgroup" or similar | 20:00 |
| debdog | stop that process and try updating the package again | 20:00 |
| jordila | mason: yes, i do have access to console prompt | 20:00 |
| jordila | debdog 'lsof cgroup' fails to give info.. nothing running relates to (see updated 'log' at the the pad : ) | 20:02 |
| debdog | hmm | 20:03 |
| debdog | well, i am out | 20:03 |
| * jordila ok, let's give iw3m a chance ? | 20:10 | |
| debdog | or shut down the DE entirely, incl. display manager and try again | 20:10 |
| jordila | ah, debdog you mean like 'killing' the xfce4 processes... and/or gdm ? | 20:12 |
| debdog | everything, yes | 20:12 |
| debdog | logout then switch to console and run /etc/rc2/slim stop | 20:13 |
| debdog | or gdm stop | 20:14 |
| debdog | whatever display manager you're using right now | 20:14 |
| debdog | haha, my bad again, now he's gone | 20:26 |
| debdog | ftr: lsof | grep cgroup | 20:26 |
| mason | Oh, didn't notice the lack of a pipe. He ran it with no pipe, didn't he...? Ah, well. | 20:27 |
| golinux | I think you may need consolekit for slim | 20:32 |
| mason | Oh, I didn't think to look for that. When the current apt operation is concluded I'll look. | 20:34 |
| systemdlete2 | Getting tons of dbus errors in my new Ascii VM | 20:36 |
| systemdlete2 | https://pastebin.com/JVUtUCKX | 20:38 |
| systemdlete2 | and a lot of delays and snags with cut and paste -- this problem with the clipboard exists in both mate and lxde desktops. | 20:39 |
| golinux | Form this week's meet notes: - beowulf gets both slim and lightdm. https://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?id=3124 | 20:39 |
| systemdlete2 | I think I am updated | 20:39 |
| * systemdlete2 double-checks | 20:39 | |
| systemdlete2 | yep. | 20:39 |
| golinux | This is the problem. LeePen has a proposed fix but the build host still isn't functional to build packages that are waiting in the queue | 20:40 |
| systemdlete2 | so I have the latest and greatest of everything from repo | 20:40 |
| golinux | mason: ^^^ jordila | 20:41 |
| golinux | elogind is what allows removal of libsystemd0 | 20:42 |
| mason | golinux: libelogind0 does, elogind is distinct | 20:44 |
| mason | You can have the library but not the daemon installed. | 20:44 |
| fsmithred | systemdlete2, is eudev installed? | 20:44 |
| systemdlete2 | yes | 20:45 |
| golinux | On my beowulf I have slim and elogind (and no linsystemd0) | 20:45 |
| fsmithred | oh, lxde | 20:46 |
| systemdlete2 | AND mate also, fsmithred! | 20:46 |
| golinux | mason: Senior moment | 20:46 |
| systemdlete2 | in fact, I was having these problems even before I ever even installed lxde | 20:46 |
| fsmithred | oh | 20:46 |
| systemdlete2 | (just fyi) | 20:46 |
| mason | golinux: I haven't poked at this to be 100% confident, but it seems like slim requires one of elogind or consolekit. If I purge slim, I can then remove elogind without it insisting on installing consolekit. | 20:47 |
| systemdlete2 | yeah, I installed lxde because somehow I messed up my mate desktop, trying to narrow down the source of the problems I am having | 20:47 |
| fsmithred | ok, my problem with lxde is that I couldn't figure out what polkit backends it needed | 20:47 |
| systemdlete2 | so those are polkit rejection notices I am seeing from dbus? | 20:47 |
| fsmithred | not sure what it's rejecting | 20:47 |
| golinux | I just booted to check the depends | 20:48 |
| fsmithred | it's using consolekit, which is normal for mate | 20:49 |
| systemdlete2 | the logs I posted are lxde (I believe) | 20:49 |
| systemdlete2 | history: Yesterday, I installed lxde and tried it. Worked marginally better than mate, tbh. | 20:50 |
| fsmithred | and I see lightdm-gtk-greeter and lxsession-logout mentioned | 20:50 |
| systemdlete2 | the log is from last night's logwatch | 20:50 |
| golinux | mason: consolekit | libpam-elogind | logind | 20:50 |
| systemdlete2 | fsmithred: Are you saying I have a botched install/configuration? | 20:50 |
| systemdlete2 | (I'd believe it) | 20:50 |
| fsmithred | yes | 20:50 |
| fsmithred | not necessarily botched, but um... | 20:51 |
| fsmithred | not ideal | 20:51 |
| systemdlete2 | as far as I know, I removed mate after installing lxde | 20:51 |
| mason | golinux: makes sense | 20:51 |
| systemdlete2 | so, lightdm and lxde don't play well together? | 20:52 |
| systemdlete2 | but I hate slim! | 20:52 |
| systemdlete2 | not that it matters anyway -- this VM is configured to bypass login | 20:52 |
| systemdlete2 | (which, duh, might be an issue right there...) | 20:52 |
| fsmithred | not sure how to get lxde to play nice | 20:53 |
| mason | systemdlete2: There's xdm as well, and that'll play well with anything and everything. | 20:53 |
| systemdlete2 | mason, fsmithred: thanks. | 20:53 |
| fsmithred | you might try lxdm with lxde | 20:53 |
| fsmithred | and you might need to switch from consolekit to elogind, but that's just a guess | 20:53 |
| systemdlete2 | Is there *ANY* desktop that plays well on devuan, after having systemdshit surgically removed? | 20:53 |
| mason | systemdlete2: If you decide to go the bloody-knuckle route, look at ck-launch-session for launching your desktop environment session. | 20:53 |
| fsmithred | I'm using lxdm with xfce in refracta/ascii | 20:53 |
| fsmithred | and elogind | 20:54 |
| mason | systemdlete2: You just need to be creative. | 20:54 |
| golinux | systemdlete: There is a reason that lxde is no longer being offered during installation and you have found it. | 20:54 |
| systemdlete2 | omg | 20:54 |
| systemdlete2 | oh, just goodie | 20:54 |
| fsmithred | the closest I come to using lxde is openbox with lxpanel | 20:55 |
| golinux | The backends defied living in harmony. | 20:55 |
| systemdlete2 | and mate? What is its issue, if anyone actually knows? I mean, other than the fact it is a resurrection of the great god gnome 2 itself | 20:55 |
| fsmithred | there may be a way to do it. Someone posted on forum about it in the last couple months. | 20:55 |
| systemdlete2 | I am NOT opposed to a complete re-install anyway, things being so messed up on this VM | 20:56 |
| systemdlete2 | So, ideally, how would I install from scratch to get a workable, decent, loving, respectable and reliable desktop? | 20:56 |
| systemdlete2 | Whatever the magic is, I'll do it, OK? | 20:56 |
| systemdlete2 | I would simply like to be able to use the clipboard in peace, amen. | 20:57 |
| systemdlete2 | I HOPE that "getting creative" is not the only path here | 20:58 |
| fsmithred | xfce? | 20:58 |
| systemdlete2 | I mean, what would you recommend so that I have a working clipboard, copy/paste, and all the functoinality of a modern desktop? | 20:58 |
| systemdlete2 | *functionality | 20:59 |
| systemdlete2 | You know, I am using xfce on my host system, so... yeah. | 20:59 |
| nemo | systemdlete2: I'm a fan of MATE personally | 20:59 |
| systemdlete2 | I love MATE. | 20:59 |
| fsmithred | I think most people around here start with just the standard system utilities and then add whatever desktop stuff they want later. | 20:59 |
| nemo | systemdlete2: I've given XFCE an honest effort over the years but MATE just seems to have everything together | 20:59 |
| systemdlete2 | the only problem is, I've been having issues with clipboard | 21:00 |
| nemo | systemdlete2: huh. like what? | 21:00 |
| nemo | systemdlete2: and it's broken in XFCE *and* MATE? | 21:00 |
| systemdlete2 | copy paste for one | 21:00 |
| nemo | systemdlete2: you're unable to copy/paste? | 21:00 |
| systemdlete2 | lxde and mate. Not sure about xfce, but it seems to be fine there | 21:00 |
| nemo | systemdlete2: or is it, like, the keyboard shortcuts don't work? | 21:00 |
| nemo | systemdlete2: could you have possibly accidentally messed up your keyboard config? | 21:00 |
| systemdlete2 | sometimes copying 2 or 3 or even 4 times to get it to stick to the clipboard | 21:01 |
| nemo | O_o | 21:01 |
| systemdlete2 | O_o indeed... | 21:01 |
| nemo | systemdlete2: you know that it's ctrl-shift-c/ctrl-shift-v for terminals right? ☺ | 21:01 |
| fsmithred | using keyboard or mouse? | 21:01 |
| systemdlete2 | nemo: yes | 21:01 |
| systemdlete2 | mouse only | 21:01 |
| nemo | systemdlete2: aaand is this the X paste system (select/middle click) or the gnome one which uses the keyboard bindings | 21:01 |
| systemdlete2 | but even the keyboard shortcuts don't seem to be any more responsive tbh | 21:01 |
| fsmithred | check with keyboard. Or try a different mouse. | 21:02 |
| systemdlete2 | nemo: above my paygrade, sorry. | 21:02 |
| systemdlete2 | fsmithred: Mouse works fine on host and other VMs, so... | 21:02 |
| fsmithred | oh, maybe it's the VM | 21:02 |
| nemo | systemdlete2: the X one is the one that does text-only and you just select then middle click to paste. it's pretty nice to have 2 paste systems IMO | 21:03 |
| systemdlete2 | the VM? That is a multi-faceted statement | 21:03 |
| nemo | windows users make fun of it, but... they are the ones pasting to url bar on their browser and sending the info to google, just to clear out rich text formatting ☺ | 21:03 |
| fsmithred | yeah, I just threw some more targets onto the field | 21:03 |
| systemdlete2 | I mean, which aspect of "VM" do you mean | 21:03 |
| systemdlete2 | (thanks, I needed more targets... lol) | 21:03 |
| systemdlete2 | All this is damage from... | 21:04 |
| fsmithred | not sure, but I sometimes get weird problems with mouse/keyboard in VM | 21:04 |
| systemdlete2 | But I don't get it in other VMs! | 21:04 |
| fsmithred | how did you install devuan? | 21:04 |
| systemdlete2 | we are talking vbox here, right? (not parallels or such) | 21:04 |
| fsmithred | yeah, I use vbox a lot and lately qemu | 21:05 |
| systemdlete2 | How? Was I standing or sitting at the time? Or do you mean which ISO? Or expert or dummy install? Sorry, fsmithred... | 21:05 |
| fsmithred | the latter, please | 21:06 |
| * systemdlete2 scratches his head... trying to remember events of a month or more ago | 21:06 | |
| fsmithred | you selected mate in the installer? | 21:06 |
| systemdlete2 | omg. I really wish I could remember now... | 21:06 |
| nemo | systemdlete2: this is kind of silly but... does it happen for all users of the system? | 21:06 |
| nemo | could narrow it down to a config problem in a specific user at least | 21:06 |
| systemdlete2 | I know you are trying to help me, but you are helping someone who is not a native debianite | 21:07 |
| fsmithred | well, you either got all your desktop apps with the initial install or you had to add them all later. | 21:07 |
| nemo | "have you tested with a clean profile" to paraphrase firefox support question #1 | 21:07 |
| * systemdlete2 looks around his apartment. No other people here, not even a dog. | 21:07 | |
| fsmithred | I'm talking about libreoffice, gimp and all the rest of it | 21:07 |
| nemo | systemdlete2: you could create a new user on the system to test... | 21:07 |
| systemdlete2 | fsmithred: Since I can't remember | 21:08 |
| systemdlete2 | maybe better to start all over? | 21:08 |
| fsmithred | get root and run 'history' | 21:08 |
| fsmithred | or 'history | grep install' | 21:08 |
| systemdlete2 | I don't mind, and maybe it would spare you all a problem trying to sort this out | 21:08 |
| systemdlete2 | Uh, I guarantee my history does not go back that far. I've been very busy here. | 21:08 |
| systemdlete2 | (in the VM) | 21:08 |
| systemdlete2 | Now, the apt history might be interesting, idk? | 21:09 |
| fsmithred | you can also look in /var/log/apt/history.log (and the backup files) | 21:09 |
| * systemdlete2 thinks: great minds think alike. He wishes he were one of them. | 21:09 | |
| fsmithred | and yes, a reinstall might be faster than diagnosing and fixing the problem | 21:09 |
| systemdlete2 | :D | 21:09 |
| systemdlete2 | well, is any of this diagnosis helpful to the project, such as discovering mismatches etc? | 21:10 |
| systemdlete2 | or is it all just a guessing game? | 21:10 |
| fsmithred | not so much for ascii | 21:10 |
| fsmithred | we're trying to sort that out for beowulf | 21:10 |
| systemdlete2 | [They just could not leave Linux alone. They had to "improve" it. They just had to. There was no alternative. Then came the great surgeries to remove the infections. But nothing worked right after that...] | 21:11 |
| fsmithred | I have to go afk soon. Will be back in about an hour. | 21:11 |
| systemdlete2 | [but this is for debianfork, not devuan...] | 21:11 |
| systemdlete2 | fsmithred: I'll probably have the new VM done before you return! | 21:11 |
| fsmithred | cool | 21:12 |
| systemdlete2 | Thanks for trying, seriously. | 21:12 |
| fsmithred | yw | 21:12 |
| systemdlete2 | and thanks to nemo and golinux and the gang here. I always appreciate it, even if I sound otherwise. | 21:12 |
| systemdlete2 | So... xfce and -- assuming I will be bypassing login -- which DM? | 21:15 |
| buZz | 'slim' is nice and minimal | 21:16 |
| systemdlete2 | The reason is I am trying to build a sort-of appliance for my backups | 21:16 |
| buZz | 'lightdm' is another of my fav | 21:17 |
| buZz | systemdlete2: why would that need a gui? | 21:17 |
| systemdlete2 | I prefer lightdm myself. But I won't really be using it here | 21:17 |
| systemdlete2 | buZz: It really doesn't. | 21:17 |
| systemdlete2 | But a full working desktop sure is nice when I have to go in and figure out what went booooom. | 21:18 |
| buZz | well, not running a GUI saves a ton of cpu and ram | 21:18 |
| systemdlete2 | true that! | 21:18 |
| fsmithred | you can set it so it doesn't boot to desktop. Just call that up when you need it. | 21:20 |
| systemdlete2 | I could set it up so that it would only run a desktop if I explicitly log in and start it | 21:20 |
| systemdlete2 | (right!) | 21:20 |
| systemdlete2 | I thought you had gone to lunch | 21:20 |
| fsmithred | not yet | 21:20 |
| fsmithred | waiting for someone to arrive | 21:20 |
| systemdlete2 | I am wondering... how close is beowulf now? Weeks? Months? | 21:20 |
| fsmithred | I'm hoping we're only weeks away from beta installer isos | 21:21 |
| systemdlete2 | I am guessing since there isn't a beta yet | 21:21 |
| systemdlete2 | probably a few months to release, maybe 1Q2020? | 21:21 |
| systemdlete2 | 2020Q1 | 21:21 |
| fsmithred | which reminds me, I need to play with an install I made from a beowulf live today | 21:21 |
| mason | FWIW, hand-installs of Beowulf have been working nicely for me, but they're not something folks will generally want to do. | 21:21 |
| systemdlete2 | I have one of those, mason. | 21:22 |
| systemdlete2 | I haven't touched it in months though. | 21:22 |
| fsmithred | last few upgrades to beowulf were easy | 21:22 |
| mason | Ah, I'm actively using Beowulf on a few systems now. | 21:22 |
| systemdlete2 | I use it for reference and to try to follow convos here in the channel, just to see what they are talking about | 21:22 |
| yeti | I've no more ascii on real hardware... just in some VMs for reference | 21:23 |
| systemdlete2 | beowulf more or less gets nonsystemd debian caught up, right? | 21:23 |
| buZz | anyone here on beowulf with working wine32? :P | 21:23 |
| yeti | eeeek | 21:23 |
| mason | systemdlete2: Depending on your definition, it's kind of there now. From my limited perspective, libelogind0 is the big thing, since it's already possible to run sysvinit on Buster. | 21:25 |
| systemdlete2 | "now?" | 21:25 |
| mason | I have one such server running today. Whether it can dist-upgrade when the time comes is an open question. | 21:26 |
| systemdlete2 | So if I think of the whole series as a sort-of "rolling" release... | 21:26 |
| mason | systemdlete2: Well, Beowulf is Buster. So if you have it running happily, it's getting stable packages from Debian. | 21:26 |
| systemdlete2 | So it looks like (from debian.org/releases), buster is the current release there. Beowulf WOULD in fact bring devuan up to current then. | 21:32 |
| systemdlete2 | Soooo. Good job guys! You done good. | 21:33 |
| systemdlete | anyone here using the "virtual" ascii ISO? | 23:10 |
| live2live | anyone know if #devuan-hurd and #devuan-kfreebsd are basically fake/not active projects? they have the same 3 users, called gnu_srs[0-2] | 23:11 |
| systemdlete | rephrase that: Anyone here using devuan ascii from the "virtual" ISO? | 23:11 |
| fsmithred | I think it's just a qcow image. You can convert it to vbox image if you want | 23:11 |
| systemdlete | there is actually a .vdi.zx there already for download | 23:12 |
| fsmithred | zx or xz? | 23:12 |
| mason | live2live: I'm unaware of work with those kernels, but you never know. This would be a more appropriate place for them than upstream Debian now I imagine. | 23:12 |
| systemdlete | my question was more, like, how stable is it vs the other sorts of installs? Are there any things hanging around from whoever's image it came from? | 23:13 |
| mason | live2live: Someone in #devuan-dev might know more. | 23:13 |
| systemdlete | iow, any gotchas or things to look out for. | 23:13 |
| systemdlete | or, put yet another way, how was the qcow or vdi images created? From what? | 23:14 |
| fsmithred | I haven't used a virtual image since the valentine release | 23:14 |
| fsmithred | from sdk | 23:14 |
| fsmithred | I think it's just a base system | 23:14 |
| systemdlete | So they exported it out of vbox? | 23:18 |
| fsmithred | no, they built it with sdk | 23:19 |
| fsmithred | similar to how the live isos are made | 23:19 |
| fsmithred | https://git.devuan.org/sdk/vm-sdk | 23:20 |
| systemdlete | it's designed to be used from a terminal. Hmmm. | 23:23 |
| systemdlete | That might be ideal for an appliance box, yes. | 23:24 |
| systemdlete | I'd still like an optional desktop, which I could add myself. I'd like to configure it for autologin without desktop. | 23:26 |
| systemdlete | It's 2.0.0, not 2.1. OTOH, since it is already installed, maybe an immediate upgrade would still be safe? | 23:28 |
| fsmithred | that's usually just a setting in the display manager config file | 23:28 |
| fsmithred | yeah, upgrade | 23:28 |
| systemdlete | it's only an install before the apt fix (ie. 2.0) that's a problem. | 23:29 |
| fsmithred | why not just use a netinstall iso? | 23:29 |
| systemdlete | That was my 2nd choice, yes. | 23:30 |
| systemdlete | I already downloaded it (whew it was fast today!). | 23:30 |
| systemdlete | I will go with netinstall | 23:30 |
| fsmithred | uncheck everything except standard system utilities at the tasksel window | 23:30 |
| fsmithred | and maybe ssh server if you plan to use that | 23:30 |
| systemdlete | no ssh | 23:30 |
| fsmithred | then add what you want | 23:31 |
| systemdlete | as far as desktops, maybe wait until after install? | 23:31 |
| fsmithred | yes | 23:31 |
| fsmithred | it's not as easy, but you end up with only what you want | 23:31 |
| fsmithred | and if you want to remove something, it's MUCH easier | 23:31 |
| fsmithred | the task-*-desktop packages pull in a lot (everything) and make it harder to customize | 23:32 |
| fsmithred | you could just add xorg and a plain window manager if you want to keep it light | 23:34 |
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