xrogaan | I had to compile several software I use daily, I'm reluctant to upgrade to beowulf | 01:49 |
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xrogaan | but I really want to. | 01:49 |
xrogaan | Is there a distro that is half rolling and half stable? Keeping the core libraries as LTS but day-to-day software like hexchat and gimp get fast upgrade lanes. | 01:51 |
golinux | Isn't that what backports is for? | 01:53 |
gnarface | xrogaan: did you check ascii-backports? | 01:53 |
gnarface | yes, that is what backports is for | 01:54 |
golinux | Ha beat you! :p | 01:54 |
gnarface | but there are limits to how far stuff can feasibly be backported | 01:54 |
gnarface | sometimes the only options are 1) wait 2) install something broken | 01:54 |
golinux | Testing and stable is the usual mix | 01:54 |
gnarface | plenty of "rolling-release" distros will happily ship you something they know is broken | 01:55 |
gnarface | it's rarely worth the risk in my experience | 01:55 |
golinux | Like the U distro. LOL! | 01:55 |
gnarface | heh, indeed | 01:56 |
gnarface | well, gentoo does it all the time too. they just accept the risk as par for course. my own statistical observations defy that logic though | 01:56 |
onefang | Every rolling distro I have tried eventually tied itself in knots and was no longer possible to update. | 01:56 |
golinux | gentoo users are masochists trying to prove something | 01:57 |
gnarface | i can confirm that first-hand | 01:57 |
golinux | There are a few in the Devuan camp. | 01:57 |
golinux | But we're getting OT | 01:58 |
shibboleth | yeah, i've never really trusted someone running gentoo | 02:11 |
shibboleth | like... with important stuff | 02:11 |
shibboleth | "breaks often" being the base of your platform? | 02:12 |
shibboleth | orly? | 02:12 |
xrogaan | gnarface: yeah, gimp ain't in there. | 03:18 |
gnarface | xrogaan: there's probably a good reason for it, like recursive dependencies all the way down to glibc | 03:19 |
xrogaan | It's an issue with maintainer I believe, not enough to properly maintain all the stuff. | 03:19 |
gnarface | xrogaan: may i suggest running beowulf in a chroot on your ascii system | 03:19 |
gnarface | (with the backports kernel on the host just to be safe) | 03:19 |
xrogaan | I'll probably just need to recompile everything I use, it's not a big deal, time consuming though. | 03:20 |
gnarface | yea, just rebuilding it all is an option in theory too... at that point it is possible that you might as well be just running beowulf anyway thoguh | 03:20 |
gnarface | i've been in that situation before too | 03:21 |
gnarface | backported most the system from testing to stable and then thought "well, that was stupid." | 03:21 |
gnarface | and i mean, it worked | 03:21 |
gnarface | but it took like 3 days to hammer down | 03:21 |
gnarface | when i could have just completed the update to testing in about 10 minutes | 03:21 |
gnarface | it does depend on your priorities though | 03:22 |
gnarface | is the primary use of this machine that gimp? and is having the new version of gimp mission-critical? if so... you know what you need to do | 03:22 |
Beerbelott | You could use a VM or containers on your host to run apps you wanna have in beowulf's version | 03:22 |
gnarface | that was sorta what i meant by the chroot, Beerbelott | 03:22 |
gnarface | but yea, any VM or type of container would be fine probably | 03:23 |
gnarface | qemu-kvm is fast | 03:23 |
Beerbelott | With a bit of adapting, you can craft proper devuan Docker images from that work: https://gitlab.com/paddy-hack/devuan | 03:23 |
Beerbelott | I did that on my box. Fresh hand(well... script)-crafted Devuan Docker images | 03:24 |
Beerbelott | Haven't pushed the scripts I used (no dependency on any GitLab instance whatsoever) anywhere yet | 03:25 |
xrogaan | Gimp was just an example. This is my main desktop. I was simply voicing my reluctance to make the step. ;) | 03:38 |
Beerbelott | You could simulate it | 03:42 |
Beerbelott | Use the live desktop, boot on it | 03:42 |
Beerbelott | (from ascii) | 03:43 |
Beerbelott | try to upgrade to beowulf & install/compile any major tool you might need | 03:43 |
Beerbelott | Well... scratch that | 03:43 |
Beerbelott | You'd need to reboot :| | 03:43 |
Beerbelott | If you got the hardware, and if standard backup is too complicated, I would dd everything to another disk, and try the upgrade | 03:45 |
Beerbelott | if things go south, just use the exact copy | 03:46 |
yeti | https://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?id=3127 <<< Tomorrow I will have sore muscles from shaking my head over this review. | 21:00 |
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