se7en- | It seems that the SocksV onion is down for apt | 07:51 |
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se7en- | deb tor+http://devuanfwojg73k6r.onion/merged | 07:52 |
yann-kaelig | Hi | 12:58 |
yann-kaelig | I'm creating devuan packages from scratch, by taking example from others packages and debian documentation. | 13:01 |
fsmithred | what packages? | 13:02 |
yann-kaelig | skarnet packages which are borken by design on debian and 66 frontend. | 13:03 |
yann-kaelig | I'm noob on devuan packaging so it's a first try | 13:04 |
fsmithred | cool. You might want to let folks know on dng mailing list and irc #devuan-dev | 13:04 |
fsmithred | have you got any packages that work yet? | 13:05 |
fsmithred | (BTW, I think the way you're doing it is pretty much what everyone does.) | 13:06 |
yann-kaelig | not right now, I'm working on the control file for my first package skalibs-2.9.1.0 and I have a first question | 13:06 |
fsmithred | ask | 13:07 |
fsmithred | the answer may come in seconds, minutes, hours or days | 13:07 |
yann-kaelig | lol | 13:07 |
yann-kaelig | ok, well so I have executed dh_make -f ../skalibs-2.9.1.0.tar.gz , then I selected libs and what I notice is in the control file I do not have doc section for the package > Package: skalibs-doc | 13:09 |
yann-kaelig | do I missed something, a dh_make option ? | 13:09 |
fsmithred | well, I don't have the answer. I just include docs in the main package. | 13:10 |
fsmithred | I do know that if you're making several packages from the same source, you need separate sections for each in the control file. | 13:10 |
fsmithred | paste your control file somewhere (not here) and maybe someone can see what's wrong | 13:11 |
yann-kaelig | I take example on debian package. Also there is something different from my control file, library package has another naming scheme than mine. I suppose it's a chocie from the packager ? but perhaps somethign changed between debina and devuan. On the debina side, it's Package: libskarnet and on mine, dh_make produce skalibsBROKEN. I understand that I have to rename the package name, but well. I will stick with dh_make choice by | 13:13 |
yann-kaelig | default | 13:13 |
yann-kaelig | I will | 13:14 |
fsmithred | where does the 'BROKEN' come from? | 13:15 |
fsmithred | is that dh_make telling you there's a problem? | 13:15 |
yann-kaelig | from dh_make after I choiced ' library' > "make sure you edit debian/control and change the Package: lines from skalibsBROKEN to something else, such as skalibs1 " | 13:16 |
yann-kaelig | perhaps I should start with a single package , test it and after that start to split it in a next pkg release | 13:18 |
fsmithred | that might work. | 13:18 |
fsmithred | you say this package is in debian? | 13:19 |
yann-kaelig | yes it is | 13:19 |
fsmithred | then it should also be in devuan, unless it requires systemd or is still in debian's experimental repo | 13:19 |
fsmithred | libskarnet2.7 in beowulf and 2.9 in ceres | 13:21 |
fsmithred | they don't work? | 13:21 |
fsmithred | brb | 13:22 |
fsmithred | yann-kaelig, here's the source repo. Did you clone this? https://salsa.debian.org/zhsj/skalibs | 13:33 |
yann-kaelig | yes | 13:33 |
fsmithred | does it build if you don't change anything? | 13:34 |
yann-kaelig | ok, very good :) Well. I will share everything as soon as I will have a system bootable with s6 and 66 frontend | 20:26 |
yann-kaelig | time to take a break, cu later | 20:27 |
yann-kaelig | The truth is devuan works perfectly with s6 and 66 but there is no package | 20:28 |
yann-kaelig | and debian s6 package can not be used to get a bootable system, that why I need to write them | 20:31 |
mason | Hrm. There is no "steam" package available for Beowulf at present. | 21:34 |
Humpelstilzchen | my beowulf shows steam 1.0.0.59-4 | 21:39 |
mason | Humpelstilzchen: I'm moving from deb.devuan.org to pkgmaster.devuan.org to see if it's just some lag | 21:40 |
mason | Humpelstilzchen: What are you using in your sources.list? Not seeing it either way here. | 21:42 |
Humpelstilzchen | mason: deb http://deb.devuan.org/merged/ beowulf main contrib non-free | 21:43 |
Humpelstilzchen | note the non-free | 21:43 |
mason | Humpelstilzchen: Yep, got that. | 21:43 |
mason | Moving back to deb.devuan as pkgmaster gives me the same results. | 21:44 |
mason | Humpelstilzchen: Did you 'apt update' to refresh? Can you share your 'apt-cache policy steam' on bpaste.net or similar, please? | 21:45 |
Humpelstilzchen | mason: http://paste.debian.net/1120708/ | 21:47 |
Humpelstilzchen | http://paste.debian.net/1120709/ without locale | 21:47 |
mason | Humpelstilzchen: Thank you. I'm a cluebat. I didn't realize the package was i386-only. | 21:48 |
mason | I'll add the arch. | 21:48 |
Humpelstilzchen | :) | 21:48 |
mason | Humpelstilzchen: We're replacing my oldest kid's computer with a Devuan box, and Steam will be critical there. :P | 21:50 |
specing | mason: replace steam with foss games | 21:53 |
mason | specing: I try to dabble in both. | 21:54 |
mason | We're into 0ad lately. | 21:54 |
specing | excellent | 21:54 |
specing | you can extend this further | 21:54 |
specing | there are a lot of foss games out there | 21:54 |
mason | Sure. Minetest is good, also. | 21:54 |
mason | I'm less zealous about games being free than necessary software. | 21:55 |
specing | games should be freer than other software | 21:55 |
* Humpelstilzchen likes warzone | 21:55 | |
specing | because games are not necessary to function in this world | 21:55 |
specing | so you can impose harsher restrictions on them | 21:56 |
mason | specing: That's just it. I think thinks we need ought to be free. Games are closer to luxury items, and as such, it's not as harmful if you don't have them. | 21:56 |
mason | But, yeah, if there's a free software equivalent, that's preferable. | 21:57 |
specing | mason: yes, and hence you can demand FOSS games and refuse to play proprietary ones | 21:57 |
specing | because they are luxury items and not needed | 21:57 |
mason | specing: I could. I won't impose that on my kids until they decide they want to make that moral choice. Also, unrelated, we might want to move this to #debianfork. | 21:58 |
sixwheeledbeast | Can't stop playing Mindustry at the moment. | 21:58 |
mason | sixwheeledbeast: Oh, looks neat. I hadn't ever heard of that previously. Thanks for the reference. | 21:59 |
sixwheeledbeast | It's very addictive source is available on github | 22:00 |
sixwheeledbeast | Very well designed IMO | 22:00 |
mason | sixwheeledbeast: Want to hop over to #debianfork? Be better to discuss it there, and I'd like to do so. (I like the notion that you can use Steam there to easily support the author.) | 22:07 |
golinux | mason: Thank you for minding the channel | 22:08 |
mason | golinux: Sure, sure. | 22:09 |
mason | And hello. | 22:09 |
mason | golinux: I've just seen the Devuan default login screen for the first time. We're using a stock XFCE4 for my daughter's machine, instead of the xdm/openbox I use for my own stuff. | 22:10 |
golinux | You need to install desktop base to get the theming | 22:11 |
mason | Oh, I'll do that. I just installed xfce4 to start. | 22:11 |
golinux | I love the slim design that hellekin did | 22:11 |
golinux | He and I did all the desktop graphics and logo | 22:12 |
mason | golinux: Oh, hrm. xfce4 seems to have pulled in lightdm by default. | 22:12 |
golinux | ugh | 22:12 |
golinux | Default should be slim | 22:13 |
mason | It does show Devuan theming... Red swoosh, "software theming, your way" text. | 22:13 |
mason | golinux: Did this change for Beowulf? I did an install straight to Beowulf, via debootstrap. | 22:13 |
golinux | Yeah I did a theme for it but it shouldn't be the default | 22:13 |
golinux | Speaking of theming . . . I'm starting to think about chimaera: https://dev1galaxy.org/files/deepsea-06222C.png | 22:14 |
golinux | https://dev1galaxy.org/files/deepsea-032430.png | 22:14 |
mason | Maybe when I install desktop-base it'll do the desired thing. | 22:14 |
golinux | It should set everything up from grub to the desktop | 22:15 |
fsmithred | at the moment I can't remember why lightdm gets pulled in | 22:15 |
mason | I like the blue/green feel. | 22:15 |
mason | fsmithred: It would have been with xfce4. I'll look. | 22:15 |
fsmithred | but if slim is installed, you can run 'dpkg-reconfigure lightdm' to set slim as the default | 22:15 |
mason | Mm. | 22:15 |
golinux | Color in honor of https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CV0D6G4CTio | 22:16 |
golinux | Hydrolagus trolli | 22:17 |
mason | fsmithred: Unsure why I got it: https://bpaste.net/show/JYSDA | 22:17 |
fsmithred | aptitude why lightdm | 22:18 |
mason | Oh, I'll try that. I never install aptitude any more, but I will. | 22:27 |
mason | fsmithred: Useful! https://bpaste.net/show/DOETG | 22:29 |
fsmithred | aha! mason 'apt-get --no-install-recommends' FTW | 22:33 |
golinux | fsmithred: It is fixed in desktop-base, right? | 22:39 |
mason | I'll be installing that soon and I can note what happens. | 22:42 |
mason | 0ad was a slow download | 22:42 |
mason | golinux: Ah, xfce4 seems to have pulled in desktop-base already. | 22:46 |
mason | Anyway, manually installing slim, and I'll boot into it. | 22:47 |
fsmithred | golinux, it's not broken in desktop-base | 22:47 |
fsmithred | xfce4 Recommends light-locker | 22:47 |
fsmithred | light-locker depends on lightdm | 22:48 |
fsmithred | in the dekstop-live isos, I've got code to remove lightdm before it makes the iso | 22:48 |
golinux | fsmithred: Clever! | 22:49 |
fsmithred | I don't know what we can do about installer isos | 22:50 |
golinux | Sunny afternoon. I'm going to wander about outside for a while. | 22:50 |
golinux | Let's discuss tomorrow. | 22:51 |
fsmithred | ok | 22:51 |
golinux | I'm thinking that Xfce might not suit us for Chimaera which would solve the problem going forward. | 22:51 |
fsmithred | and what instead? | 22:52 |
* fsmithred sends a shipping container of snow to onefang | 22:52 | |
fsmithred | openbox? | 22:53 |
golinux | I'm open to all suggestions . . . | 22:53 |
golinux | but that will have to wait till we see the headaches that xfce creates for us | 22:54 |
golinux | Sun is calling me . . . bbl | 22:55 |
ngshli[m] | hello | 23:09 |
ngshli[m] | do debian packages work on devuan? | 23:10 |
mason | ngshli[m]: Most Devuan packages *are* Debian packages. | 23:10 |
ngshli[m] | so i can get them from debian repositories? | 23:12 |
mason | ngshli[m]: You don't need to. Point to Devuan repositories, and those packages that aren't modified by Devuan are passed through from the Debian repositories. | 23:15 |
ngshli[m] | is there a list of devuan repositories? | 23:20 |
ngshli[m] | also do i download a specific package? | 23:20 |
ngshli[m] | how* | 23:24 |
ngshli[m] | i'm talking about downloading it from another system | 23:25 |
mason | ngshli[m]: There's a lot of information here: https://devuan.org/ | 23:26 |
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