| mcr | is there a new live/rescue image that has dm_raid module? | 00:09 |
|---|---|---|
| fsmithred | I just uploaded some refracta no-X beowulf isos | 00:13 |
| fsmithred | mdadm is installed | 00:13 |
| fsmithred | mcr ^^^ | 00:13 |
| fsmithred | https://get.refracta.org/files/testing/ | 00:13 |
| mcr | oh, thank you. I could try that. | 00:20 |
| mcr | I wish the torrent files were easier to find on devuan.org. | 00:20 |
| fsmithred | there are no official devuan torrents or isos for beowulf yet | 00:22 |
| fsmithred | mcr, you want the ascii point release isos? | 00:23 |
| mcr | I found the torrent in the files... it was a bit obvious once I realized it was a file :-) | 00:24 |
| fsmithred | ok | 00:24 |
| fsmithred | it's on the front page of files.devuan.org | 00:24 |
| mcr | I just prefer to torrent stuff, and then seed :-) | 00:25 |
| fsmithred | great, we probably need more seeders | 00:25 |
| mcr | I was just all like... but I don't want files... I want... Oh, there it is. | 00:25 |
| EHeM | Given its unreleased nature, I wouldn't expect any sort of official beowulf available at all. | 00:25 |
| mcr | does 2.1 have dm_raid? | 00:25 |
| buZz | quite sure every devuan release ever has that enabled | 00:25 |
| mcr | I just need something with a kernel newer than jessie had, and with dm_raid to fix a LVM server whose disks are dying. | 00:26 |
| fsmithred | pretty sure we added lvm and mdadm to the 2.1 live isos | 00:26 |
| mcr | (yes, both of them) | 00:26 |
| onefang | I intend to add Devuan torrents to me Devuan ISO mirror. Sooner or later. It's on the TODO pile. | 00:26 |
| mcr | lvm was on 2.0, but the dm_raid module is not. | 00:26 |
| fsmithred | one second and I'll check | 00:26 |
| fsmithred | yeah, mdadm is installed | 00:27 |
| fsmithred | it's in both minimal-live and desktop-live | 00:28 |
| golinux | mcr: The torrent link is on the devuan.org index page | 00:29 |
| mcr | Could: https://devuan.org/os/debian-fork/ascii-point-release-announce-112119 where it says: Images will eventually be available via p2p torrent(s). | 00:33 |
| mcr | just say: "Torrent files can be found at http://files.devuan.org/devuan_ascii/ | 00:33 |
| mcr | oh, no /devuan_ascii part. | 00:34 |
| mcr | or maybe the torrent file could go into the distro dir too :-) hard links are cheap. | 00:34 |
| huuuhh | should I install mkfs? Trying to make a usb bootable but there is no utility in devuan to use, supposed to use dd, but I hate command line crap | 00:34 |
| fsmithred | huuuhh, you want to put an iso on usb to install the system to hard drive? | 00:35 |
| huuuhh | I want to try this fork https://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?id=3037&p=2 | 00:35 |
| huuuhh | on live | 00:36 |
| fsmithred | I don't recall if that one has special instructions, but I think you just dd or cat the iso to the whole device | 00:36 |
| huuuhh | I feel like I'm bloating and probably making the system unstable by installing thihngs | 00:37 |
| mcr | I also wish the install iso ran isolinux on /dev/ttyS0 too :-) | 00:37 |
| huuuhh | I'm following instructions that say to format it first | 00:37 |
| huuuhh | but wondering if there was already a tool installed | 00:38 |
| huuuhh | does dd format by default? | 00:38 |
| fsmithred | no, dd does its own thing, which will include wiping the partition table | 00:39 |
| fsmithred | I suggest following some of the links to the avmultimedia sites | 00:39 |
| fsmithred | do it the way they say to do it. It's different from most live systems around. | 00:39 |
| mcr | refacta gave me no working init found. tried on kvm too. | 00:43 |
| mcr | http://www.sandelman.ca/tmp/mcrcapture/8703.2019-12-13/capture1.png and http://www.sandelman.ca/tmp/mcrcapture/7786.2019-12-13/capture1.png | 00:48 |
| fsmithred | mcr, check sha256sum? | 00:56 |
| huhh | does dd have no sort of progress indicator, or is it hung up? http://i.imgur.com/Inzeu3W.png | 00:59 |
| Acacia | huhh: status= in the man page, there's a progress option | 01:04 |
| huhh | ah ok... I see it is working hard in htop | 01:04 |
| mcr | stock GNU dd has none. | 01:34 |
| mcr | BSD dd has, via termios ^T a status output, which is really cool. (On *BSD kernels only) | 01:35 |
| fsmithred | I use pv with dd for a progress bar | 01:37 |
| fsmithred | mcr, did you get that to boot? | 01:59 |
| EHeM | Hypervisors and TCP/IP have their moments, halt the computer, freezing all the VMs and ~30 min later when restarting the VMs come back with even an SSH connection surviving. | 02:26 |
| huh81 | when Iog in as recovery in the command line to install the Nvidia driver, I get it started then get the message that I have to stop the nouveau drivers. What is the specific command to do that, I've found conflicting information online. | 05:39 |
| golinux | Been years since I had a video card but iirc had to blacklist nouveau | 05:43 |
| huh81 | even my on board chip is Nvidia | 05:52 |
| huh81 | what is the startx and stopx equivalent? | 05:54 |
| huh81 | killall Xorg, does that work? | 05:57 |
| huh81 | anybody ever install Nvidia drivers in Devuan? | 05:57 |
| furrywolf | I have not. the only box I have with an nvidia card is using the free driver. | 06:00 |
| furrywolf | (which is buggy crap, but I don't care if that box works or not, so...) | 06:01 |
| furrywolf | to restart X, I usually restart the display manager, i.e. /etc/init.d/gdm/slim/whatever restart | 06:02 |
| huh81 | Interestingly, I saw online the gdm folder mentioned, but it is not on this computer... I do however have slim | 06:04 |
| furrywolf | sorry, I mixed up / as in path seperate and / as in alternative options. | 06:05 |
| furrywolf | /etc/init.d/((gdm)|(slim)|(whatever)) :) | 06:06 |
| huh81 | I see | 06:06 |
| huh81 | the Nvidia install somehow detects that there are Nouveau drivers present, the wording of it makes me think the drivers are running thus I should be able to stop them... although why they are running in the console I don't know. | 06:09 |
| furrywolf | I don't think the drivers run as a seperate thing, just as part of X, but I haven't used them in ages so who knows... | 06:09 |
| huh81 | so to stop it --> /etc/init.d/slim stop ??? | 06:10 |
| furrywolf | yes | 06:11 |
| golinux | Search "bklacklist noveau" and you will find the answer | 06:13 |
| golinux | sorry for the typo. | 06:13 |
| huhh | one error down, thank you. Now the Nvidia install script is complaining that it can't find the kernel source code tree... or something like that | 06:17 |
| furrywolf | you probably need to install the kernel-headers package appropriate for your kernel | 06:18 |
| furrywolf | if you're just using the stock kernel, that would probably be linux-headers-amd64 | 06:20 |
| furrywolf | if you're using the backports kernel, linux-headers-4.19.0-0.bpo.5-amd64 | 06:21 |
| huhh | Linux 4.9.0-11-amd64 x86_64 | 06:21 |
| furrywolf | that looks like the stock kernel, so apt-get install linux-headers-amd64 | 06:22 |
| huhh | cool | 06:24 |
| huhh | can't stop slim now for some reason http://i.imgur.com/O6PjkVc.png | 06:26 |
| huhh | I'll just reboot and try it | 06:26 |
| furrywolf | I'd assume that would mean slim isn't running. | 06:27 |
| huhh | but I'm in the windowed environment | 06:27 |
| huhh | reboootiiiing | 06:29 |
| furrywolf | you could have multiple managers installed, and are not using slim. | 06:29 |
| huhhh | apparently it worked! Didn't see the Nvida splash screen at boot though like I have before, but nvidia-smi indicates my driver | 06:54 |
| huhhh | I bet it will crash a lot less now | 06:54 |
| furrywolf | yeah, don't get your hopes up. the nividia driver does not have a great reputation. | 06:57 |
| huhhh | it's got to be easier on the processor | 06:59 |
| procra | i tried to run the “orca” program bun it gives me two warnings and one error. The error looks related to a system service. this is the error output: (orca:693): dbind-ERROR **: 23:15:10.648: AT-SPI: Couldn't connect to accessibility bus. Is at-spi-bus-launcher running? Trace/breakpoint trap | 06:59 |
| furrywolf | bbl | 07:03 |
| procra | oh, i think this is the wrong place to report it. sorry | 07:04 |
| huhhh | Window response isa lot faster when I shake them around, there is no lag now | 07:06 |
| huhhh | well a little bit, but not crazy with ghost image like the nouveau driver | 07:07 |
| wildjames | I read somewhere that devuan team is falling appart, should i be worried that i have to reinstall in the near future? I finnaly have something that works with my 2 nvidia cards it would be a shame to go through that again | 10:18 |
| tse_ | wildjames: wondergin teh same myself :) | 11:14 |
| se7en- | Would it be against the rules to just ask the ML how they're doing | 13:47 |
| se7en- | I once got banned for sending something I found funny with [Off-topic] to the ML | 13:47 |
| se7en- | So I wonder what is and isn't allowed | 13:48 |
| gnarface | why don't you drop into #devuan-dev and ask them there? | 13:50 |
| gnarface | i don't know | 13:50 |
| se7en- | Is this not the official channel? | 13:53 |
| gnarface | this is the official channel | 13:54 |
| fsmithred | tse_, tell wildjames that we just released an updated ascii and we're working on beowulf isos now. There's been no falling apart. | 13:54 |
| tse_ | awesome news fsmithred :) | 13:55 |
| se7en- | I still think you should add Pulseaudio to the banned/philosophy page | 13:56 |
| fsmithred | se7en-, some people want/need it | 13:58 |
| fsmithred | if you want to avoid lots of dependencies, don't install the desktop from the isos. Add the parts you want manually. | 13:59 |
| huhhh | fsmithred: "if you want to avoid lots of dependencies, don't install the desktop from the isos. Add the parts you want manually." but the ISO doesn't give you a choice | 17:45 |
| huhhh | So I apparently successfully installed the Nvidia drivers, but apparently I have the Nouveau kernel module still... should I worry about it? http://i.imgur.com/Wa58p25.png | 17:54 |
| golinux | huhhh: For the 3rd time . . . blacklist nouveau. I'm surprised it works at all with nouveau still active. | 17:56 |
| golinux | This is the way I used to do it: http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?p=435313 | 17:59 |
| huhhh | I did blacklist it, did it not take because it shows Nvidia and nouveau modules? http://i.imgur.com/IeO0HbU.png | 18:00 |
| golinux | Things seem to have changed since I had to do it. This info is very useful: https://smxi.org/docs/sgfxi-manual.htm | 18:03 |
| huhhh | My question is, since nouveau shows up under installed modules "Kernel modules: nouveau, nvidia", but not under driver, if it means that nouveau is still active? | 18:05 |
| golinux | sgfxi is an automated nvidia install script and it is a wonder! | 18:05 |
| golinux | In that documentation it seems you can now switch back and forth | 18:06 |
| golinux | It's been a decade sine I've had to deal with this issue . nouveau works a treat for me and saves a huge headache. | 18:07 |
| huhhh | It must be better to install the nvidia driver if you have nvidia equipment though | 18:08 |
| golinux | No nividia on my working machine. | 18:12 |
| fsmithred | huhhh, the choice in the installer is at the tasksel screen, where you can un-check some items. | 18:12 |
| fsmithred | just install standard system utilities and then reboot into the new system and install whatever window manager or desktop environment and other apps you want. | 18:13 |
| fsmithred | takes longer that way, but if you're picky about what's on your system, you can customize it exactly the way you want | 18:14 |
| huhhh | OK I'm just going to pretend the nouveau modules are gone lol... it doesn't seem to matter if the module still exists in teh kernel, as long as the right driver is running | 18:30 |
| huhhh | I'm editing GRUB to see if that will make the nouveau module disappear. Is it correct to have the command inside quotes as shown here? http://i.imgur.com/e4xgC4e.png | 18:43 |
| huuuhhh | Still shows nouveau kernel module is there... oh well. http://i.imgur.com/QDzKi4f.png | 18:54 |
| yann-kaelig | Hi. pbuilder-dist doesn't works with devuan ? I'm trying pbuilder-dist ascii amd64 create and the software is looking to http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/ascii/Release ! Am I doing something wrong ? | 19:14 |
| debdog | ascii is not an ubuntu release. pbuilder-dist seems to be part of ubuntu-dev-tools but not debian package builder. | 19:22 |
| debdog | https://packages.debian.org/search?searchon=contents&keywords=pbuilder-dist&mode=exactfilename&suite=stable&arch=any | 19:22 |
| debdog | https://packages.debian.org/buster/all/pbuilder/filelist | 19:22 |
| yann-kaelig | debdog: Hi. Yes you right that what I found, but it's look like it's also used with debian. At least the project I want ot build using it with debian too. | 19:24 |
| debdog | do you intend to build ubuntu packages? | 19:26 |
| debdog | hmm, or try stretch instead of ascii | 19:30 |
| debdog | https://devuan.org/os/releases | 19:30 |
| yann-kaelig | debdog: yep, thx | 19:32 |
| yann-kaelig | it's still ugly what happens to distributions with this division. I am a little afraid of the result and the problems that I will encounter with this pbuilder-dist soup | 19:40 |
| yann-kaelig | well it didn't last long, error, lol thx you very muche :D | 19:46 |
| yann-kaelig | thx for your help | 19:47 |
| thomaspeteroberl | good evening, is torbrowser working with devuan ascii? | 20:27 |
| Oldmoss | yes | 20:28 |
| thomaspeteroberl | what would you recommend - download the browser from the Tor-Site or get the torbrowser-launcher installed? | 20:30 |
| Oldmoss | I'm not the right one to answer what's best, but I downloaded it from Tor-Site | 20:31 |
| thomaspeteroberl | thank you Oldmoss | 20:32 |
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