| bpmedley | I'm not seeing a script that cleans /var/tmp. Is there one? Does /var/tmp persist forever? | 00:05 |
|---|---|---|
| yeti | I think /tmp shall be cleaned on reboots, /var/tmp not | 00:06 |
| GyrosGeier | /var/tmp was traditionally cleared | 00:07 |
| GyrosGeier | the main distinction to /tmp is that it's not expected to be cleared during operation | 00:07 |
| bpmedley | yeti , GyrosGeier : Thanks. I see /tmp cleansing in /lib/init/bootclean.sh. I haven't see anything for /var/tmp on boot or otherwisde. | 00:08 |
| GyrosGeier | yes, systemd dropped that | 00:08 |
| GyrosGeier | sysv-rc cleared /tmp /var/tmp and /var/run | 00:09 |
| bpmedley | GyrosGeier : Perchance do you know which script clears /var/tmp? | 00:11 |
| * GyrosGeier checks | 00:12 | |
| GyrosGeier | oh | 00:14 |
| GyrosGeier | seems that I misremembered | 00:14 |
| GyrosGeier | /etc/rcS.d/S12mountall-bootclean.sh: # Clean /tmp, /var/lock, /var/run | 00:14 |
| bpmedley | Thanks for looking!! | 00:15 |
| GyrosGeier | /var/tmp was not used widely, it seems | 00:15 |
| yeti | my experience contradicts | 00:20 |
| yeti | temp files in /var/tmp shall survive reboots | 00:21 |
| yeti | maybe kids do it different today | 00:21 |
| bpmedley | yeti : Agreed, however, is there anything that deletes the files in /var/tmp after 30 days or so? | 00:21 |
| yeti | may be some software tales care of their own files there | 00:22 |
| yeti | but I was used to putting e.g. ccache dirs into there because they survived reboots | 00:22 |
| yeti | vi's recover files make less sense there too if lost after reboot | 00:23 |
| yeti | maybe dir names should show the intended use better... | 00:25 |
| bpmedley | yeti : That may be true. Perhaps /var/tmp has morphed into a persistent storage location.. | 00:26 |
| yeti | /tmp often was on a small boot partition classically | 00:27 |
| yeti | or even a ramdisk | 00:27 |
| yeti | with /usr optionally on a bigger FS, /usr/tmp was common until they invented /var to allow a readonly /usr | 00:28 |
| Wonka | have a look at /etc/default/tmpfs | 00:28 |
| Wonka | with RAMTMP=yes you can still set /tmp to be a tmpfs | 00:28 |
| frabbit | rrq: i will try that | 00:50 |
| frabbit | rrq: it does nothing =( | 00:53 |
| frabbit | also it is that i have this low resolution from boot on | 00:55 |
| frabbit | my tty running all in this i dunno 1024x7something | 00:55 |
| rrq | did you try with adding the missing modeline before using it? I think it's onw xrandr --newmode, and one xrandr --addmode | 01:08 |
| frabbit | missing modeline? | 01:17 |
| frabbit | rrq: why do u think something is missing? | 01:18 |
| rrq | because it didn't show up in the log (that first log) | 01:19 |
| rrq | but let me caveat that I'm far from and X pert | 01:22 |
| rrq | -d +ex | 01:22 |
| fsmithred | frabbit, make sure the video cable is plugged in all the way. I get only low res on the display if the plug is falling out. | 01:36 |
| frabbit | rrq: ok | 01:36 |
| frabbit | fsmithred: yes it is. i use a kvm, i asked myself if eventually thats the reason... | 01:37 |
| fsmithred | I hope you did more than ask | 01:37 |
| frabbit | but "falling out" is nearly impossible X) | 01:38 |
| frabbit | with vga | 01:38 |
| fsmithred | I don't screw them in very tight | 01:38 |
| frabbit | fsmithred: i did not tried till now, cause i only thought of this a few minutes ago, also... this is a mess | 01:38 |
| frabbit | fsmithred: i do | 01:39 |
| frabbit | cause thats what the screws 4 =) | 01:39 |
| fsmithred | some of mine don't work anymore | 01:39 |
| fsmithred | not on the monitor end, but on the computer end | 01:39 |
| frabbit | fsmithred: u mean a port | 01:39 |
| fsmithred | screws | 01:40 |
| frabbit | ah.. thats bad... | 01:40 |
| fsmithred | loose nuts | 01:40 |
| fsmithred | as long as I don't trip over the wires, it's usually ok | 01:40 |
| frabbit | the possibylity to change the screws would be cool | 01:40 |
| frabbit | lol | 01:41 |
| frabbit | none of my cables 4 computing are on the floor | 01:41 |
| frabbit | they are to important.. o0 | 01:42 |
| frabbit | ok ill try direct vga conection.. but the t61 doesnt have a problem with running xrandr in .xinitrc while im using a kvm... so im not very optimistic... | 01:43 |
| frabbit | nope doesnt work too, as i thought... | 01:45 |
| frabbit | but hey fsmithred if u have a thinkpad, how about using a docking station? i never use the ports on my laptop | 01:46 |
| MinceR | i gave up on usb-c docking stations recently | 01:47 |
| buZz | i got a dock for my x230 | 01:47 |
| buZz | but plonking it in/out is too much hassle | 01:48 |
| MinceR | regularly the damn thing just decides that it will no longer send signal to at least one monitor connected via usb-c and freezes for like 10s every time it tries to | 01:48 |
| MinceR | it does this even on boot firmware screens | 01:48 |
| MinceR | i thought it was just the 2 docks i tried, but it does the same on a usb-c/dp adapter | 01:48 |
| fsmithred | got a thinkpad, but no docking station | 01:48 |
| frabbit | buZz: cool =) | 01:48 |
| frabbit | fsmithred: they are cheap | 01:49 |
| buZz | frabbit: i actually want to mod my x230 | 01:49 |
| fsmithred | what's it do? | 01:49 |
| buZz | then i cant use the dock anymore, but i'll have a 2k resolution screen | 01:49 |
| frabbit | buZz: what mod do u do? | 01:49 |
| fsmithred | 11.5 inches?? | 01:49 |
| MinceR | i looked at docks using the real docking port, but either lenovo won't say how many displays it can drive and in what configuration, or it says it can't drive 2 displays at fullhd | 01:49 |
| frabbit | fsmithred: wich thinkpad u got? | 01:50 |
| buZz | frabbit: hmmm | 01:50 |
| buZz | internet recommends https://nitrocaster.me/store/x220-x230-fhd-mod-kit.html | 01:51 |
| fsmithred | T420 right now | 01:51 |
| buZz | but its 1080p only, it seems | 01:51 |
| fsmithred | borrowed and kinda beat up, but it works | 01:51 |
| buZz | the other mod is by 51nb , it seems? | 01:52 |
| buZz | not sure | 01:52 |
| frabbit | fsmithred: i think u can use the advanced mini dock, just like me then | 01:53 |
| frabbit | buZz: wahaaa... google capture... | 01:54 |
| buZz | ? | 01:54 |
| frabbit | that site u linked | 01:55 |
| buZz | oh sure, who doesnt block analytics themselves? :P | 01:55 |
| frabbit | buZz: im interested in a thnkpad mod too, but 4 the t61, so it can run a quadcore cpu XD | 01:56 |
| buZz | hehe | 01:56 |
| frabbit | but thats a heavy hardware hack and maybe to geeky 4 me | 01:56 |
| buZz | 51nb i think made a custom motherboard | 01:56 |
| buZz | for t61? not sure | 01:56 |
| frabbit | yes u need to soldering and stuf... | 01:57 |
| frabbit | *stuff | 01:57 |
| buZz | frabbit: https://hackaday.com/2018/03/12/new-guts-make-old-thinkpads-new/ | 01:57 |
| buZz | you dont need to solder i think? just a replacement motherboard | 01:57 |
| buZz | supports up to 32GB ram, nice | 01:58 |
| frabbit | wow cool =D | 01:58 |
| MinceR | do any of them come without uefi and intel me? | 01:58 |
| frabbit | no for t61 u need to soldering | 01:58 |
| frabbit | MinceR: how could they? | 01:59 |
| buZz | MinceR: its got a 5th gen i7 , they require me | 01:59 |
| frabbit | only the t60 has no IntelME | 01:59 |
| MinceR | engineering | 01:59 |
| frabbit | and older ones... | 01:59 |
| MinceR | i have an X60s :> | 01:59 |
| frabbit | MinceR: hm im not sure 4 that... | 01:59 |
| * frabbit looks at coreboot website | 01:59 | |
| frabbit | oh yeah its the same =) | 02:00 |
| frabbit | coreboot.org/Intel_Management_Engine#Where | 02:01 |
| frabbit | buZz: here it is in english: https://forum.thinkpads.com/viewtopic.php?f=29&t=110620 | 02:06 |
| buZz | haha yeah | 02:06 |
| buZz | thats a bit too much for me :P | 02:07 |
| frabbit | =D | 02:07 |
| MinceR | that's what she said. | 02:07 |
| frabbit | buZz: 4me2 | 02:08 |
| frabbit | but a very cool mod | 02:08 |
| frabbit_ | someone yesterday said that next year this channel will be in german.. was that a joke? | 02:34 |
| onefang | They said it to me, it was a joke. | 02:35 |
| frabbit | ok =D | 02:36 |
| MinceR | frabbit: Nein! | 02:40 |
| MinceR | wait, it isn't the next year yet | 02:40 |
| buZz | ooo debian vote ended on > B: Systemd but we support exploring alternatives | 03:04 |
| buZz | guess devuans future is safe | 03:04 |
| buZz | :D | 03:04 |
| JackFrost | That does leave room for maintainers to rm -rf debian/*.init though. | 03:05 |
| MinceR | i don't think that makes devuan safe, as long as it depends on deadian | 03:06 |
| furrywolf | not bad. better than systemd-only, at least. I still wanted a "kill it with fire" option. | 03:06 |
| golinux | (MinceR scores another hit) | 03:07 |
| golinux | Send it to Elon Musk for expulsion from earth! | 03:07 |
| tuxd3v | ello huys :) | 03:09 |
| tuxd3v | \o/ | 03:09 |
| tuxd3v | the package 'desktop-base' installs xfce ? | 03:09 |
| fsmithred | tuxd3v, it should not. I'll be back in 5 min. | 03:13 |
| tuxd3v | fsmithred, thanks! | 03:15 |
| tuxd3v | does it include the slim theme for devuan, or that come with another package..? | 03:15 |
| tuxd3v | I don't find the theme package for slim.. | 03:15 |
| tuxd3v | apt-file search /usr/share/slim/themes/desktop-slim-theme | 03:15 |
| tuxd3v | the gorgeous slim devuan theme :) | 03:16 |
| tuxd3v | ho.. seems that it comes with slim package already :) | 03:17 |
| tuxd3v | thanks! | 03:17 |
| tuxd3v | :) | 03:17 |
| prfilser | test | 03:17 |
| prfilser | apt install sdl-ball yields | 03:18 |
| prfilser | Not Found [IP: 185.183.113.129 80] | 03:18 |
| prfilser | anyone else see this? | 03:18 |
| fsmithred | tuxd3v, are you installing ascii or beowulf? | 03:18 |
| tuxd3v | I am trying beowulf | 03:18 |
| tuxd3v | but its for armhf | 03:18 |
| tuxd3v | I trying to build a desktop image :) | 03:19 |
| fsmithred | what desktop do you want? Oh, armhf | 03:19 |
| fsmithred | cool | 03:19 |
| tuxd3v | fluxbox, due to memory contraints | 03:19 |
| fsmithred | yours or the computer? | 03:19 |
| tuxd3v | the computer | 03:19 |
| fsmithred | fluxbox is good | 03:20 |
| tuxd3v | for armhf that board comes with a lot less memory | 03:20 |
| fsmithred | on a recent install I got asked if I wanted slim or lightdm | 03:21 |
| tuxd3v | I hope it works well with slim login manager | 03:21 |
| fsmithred | slim works ok | 03:21 |
| tuxd3v | because slim, is awesome | 03:21 |
| tuxd3v | and with the devuan theme, marvelous! | 03:21 |
| fsmithred | I've used it with openbox in ascii | 03:21 |
| tuxd3v | thanks, don't know If I have to execute any command inside its config, when login in, you now to 'startfluxbox' | 03:22 |
| prfilser | devuan beowulf is running nicely on nvidia jetson nano here | 03:22 |
| tuxd3v | probably 'exec startfluxbox' | 03:22 |
| fsmithred | tuxd3v, check slim.conf | 03:23 |
| tuxd3v | prfilser, can you make a image and put it in : https://dev1galaxy.org/viewforum.php?id=24 | 03:23 |
| fsmithred | but only if you need to. It might just work. | 03:23 |
| tuxd3v | fsmithred, thanks a lot I will try with the default config first | 03:24 |
| prfilser | tuxd3v: i converted nvidia's ubuntu image to devuan live, and there are some problems i can't resolve yet | 03:26 |
| prfilser | if someone wants a not-fully-working image, no problem | 03:26 |
| tuxd3v | I hope that you succeed in bring a Image to Devuan ARMBuilds :) | 03:27 |
| tuxd3v | that board is nice | 03:27 |
| tuxd3v | are you with mainline kernel or yet with nvidia one? | 03:27 |
| prfilser | i have tried to upgrade kernel but i keep getting nvidia's at boot | 03:27 |
| tuxd3v | humm.. probably its Uboot fault, or extlinux fault I don't know if you see any menu at start | 03:28 |
| prfilser | i do not. i don't know uboot. | 03:28 |
| tuxd3v | check in your /boot | 03:28 |
| tuxd3v | for a boot.scr file | 03:29 |
| tuxd3v | if its there you can change booting kernel on that file.. | 03:29 |
| prfilser | there is none | 03:29 |
| tuxd3v | ho.. | 03:29 |
| tuxd3v | but is there any /boot/extlinux folder? | 03:29 |
| prfilser | yes, it contains extlinnux.conf | 03:29 |
| prfilser | -n | 03:29 |
| tuxd3v | ofcourse.. | 03:30 |
| tuxd3v | that file | 03:30 |
| tuxd3v | is were you need to change the default kernel that will boot :) | 03:30 |
| prfilser | initrd is a symlink to initrd.img-4.9.140-tegra | 03:30 |
| tuxd3v | you can boot without a initrd | 03:31 |
| tuxd3v | if you compiled the kernel | 03:31 |
| tuxd3v | you can add a new section | 03:31 |
| prfilser | ok. also there is only one "Image" in /boot. and extlinux.conf points to /boot/Image | 03:31 |
| tuxd3v | with your kernel | 03:31 |
| tuxd3v | but you have any | 03:31 |
| tuxd3v | vmlinux | 03:31 |
| tuxd3v | or vmlinuz | 03:32 |
| tuxd3v | there? | 03:32 |
| prfilser | yes | 03:32 |
| tuxd3v | nice | 03:32 |
| prfilser | 19916656 Dec 7 13:24 vmlinuz-5.3.0-3-arm64 | 03:32 |
| tuxd3v | in the new section you will copy from the one that exists | 03:32 |
| prfilser | and my own compiled 4.19.0 | 03:32 |
| prfilser | can we pm, this might be too offtopic | 03:32 |
| tuxd3v | change Image by 'vmlinuz-5.3.0-3-arm64' | 03:32 |
| prfilser | ok | 03:33 |
| tuxd3v | ok | 03:33 |
| enyc | interestingly, debian internally voted on https://www.debian.org/vote/2019/vote_002#textb choice B | 17:39 |
| enyc | In short, backs that debian maintainers should accept reasonable patches for non-systemd-support and are committed to working with downstreams that make different choices about init from debian. | 17:42 |
| yeti | optimist alert! | 18:48 |
| yeti | :-Þ | 18:48 |
| frabbit | hi. mz external monitor onlz turns on when booting process is nearly done. but i want output before (best from grub menu on) | 19:02 |
| divansantana | Hi All. Strange question from a mostly outsider, but I'm just wondering how "succesful" is devuan currently? Obviously it's behind in releases, but does it have a decent amount of interest/development? I do hope it is successful, I'm sure it is like swimming upstream. | 19:21 |
| divansantana | Hopefully other distribution and various efforts outside of devuan community also helps. | 19:22 |
| DanielTheFox | hi there | 19:25 |
| DanielTheFox | is there yet a way to upgrade Debian 10 (Buster) to Devuan? | 19:26 |
| DanielTheFox | or should I somehow wait/downgrade? | 19:26 |
| frabbit | divansantana: i think its more a niche product... sadly | 19:26 |
| fsmithred | DanielTheFox, yes, it's possible | 19:26 |
| fsmithred | hang on a sec | 19:26 |
| DanielTheFox | I haven't found a doc about it yet | 19:27 |
| DanielTheFox | at least not through google | 19:27 |
| frabbit | divansantana: the most people want shiny, fancy, bloatware and do not care about design principles or philosophy... | 19:27 |
| DanielTheFox | frabbit: I was one of them | 19:27 |
| DanielTheFox | until my eyes were open | 19:27 |
| DanielTheFox | which appears to have happened just about half an hour ago | 19:27 |
| frabbit | DanielTheFox: lol sounds religious XD | 19:27 |
| DanielTheFox | hence why I'm asking here | 19:27 |
| DanielTheFox | frabbit: religion is about ideas, too | 19:28 |
| fsmithred | https://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?pid=17716#p17716 | 19:28 |
| DanielTheFox | not that different from a psycological point of view | 19:28 |
| frabbit | DanielTheFox: very different... | 19:28 |
| fsmithred | Use nixer's method (don't reboot when you think you should) | 19:28 |
| DanielTheFox | fsmithred: I have to mention I use lightdm + lxde | 19:28 |
| DanielTheFox | I use ifupdown | 19:28 |
| DanielTheFox | but I haven't removed networkmanager (it is hanging around there, doing nothing) | 19:29 |
| fsmithred | yeah, ok. I only tested with standard system utilities. | 19:29 |
| frabbit | isnt it always a better idea to do a fresh new install? | 19:29 |
| DanielTheFox | oh, ok | 19:29 |
| golinux | DanielTheFox: https://devuan.org/os/documentation/dev1fanboy/ | 19:29 |
| fsmithred | any desktop has the potential to give you trouble in a migration | 19:29 |
| DanielTheFox | frabbit: but I don't want to lose my data, quite all I want to do is to switch to a pure sysV (or openrc) system | 19:29 |
| DanielTheFox | fsmithred: no problem, then | 19:30 |
| DanielTheFox | I can lose the GUI | 19:30 |
| DanielTheFox | just not the entire system | 19:30 |
| frabbit | DanielTheFox: i did that too first time (from Jessie there) | 19:30 |
| fsmithred | you fairly competent with apt, apt-get and aptitude? | 19:30 |
| frabbit | DanielTheFox: wish u success | 19:30 |
| fsmithred | some of the migrations I tried required using all three at different times, but that was before I tried it nixer's way. | 19:31 |
| DanielTheFox | fsmithred: nothing beyond apt update, apt upgrade, apt install, apt remove | 19:31 |
| fsmithred | back up your data! | 19:31 |
| golinux | That's for stretch to ascii but is probably mostly the same. Official documentation for Beowulf is not available yet. | 19:31 |
| DanielTheFox | glad my HDD is partitioned :) | 19:31 |
| frabbit | DanielTheFox: =) | 19:31 |
| fsmithred | golinux, I've been directing people to nixer's description. It's non-intuitive for anyone who's done a dist-upgrade. | 19:32 |
| fsmithred | and it works | 19:32 |
| DanielTheFox | nixer is the first one, apparently | 19:32 |
| DanielTheFox | oh, or the one I've been redirected to, lol | 19:33 |
| fsmithred | or my summary on the second or third page | 19:34 |
| fsmithred | biab. need to play with firewood. | 19:37 |
| DanielTheFox | lol | 19:45 |
| DanielTheFox | when I want to apt install sysvinit-core, apt complains about policykit-1 depending on libpam-systemd but not going to be "installed" | 19:45 |
| fsmithred | DanielTheFox, installing sysvinit-core is the first thing you're doing in buster? | 20:16 |
| DanielTheFox | fsmithred: nah | 20:18 |
| DanielTheFox | oh, and I solved that | 20:18 |
| fsmithred | oh, good. What did you do? | 20:18 |
| DanielTheFox | by forcing apt NOT to install packages on recommends/suggests | 20:18 |
| fsmithred | yeah, that frequently helps | 20:18 |
| DanielTheFox | and NOT to complain about removing packages that way | 20:18 |
| DanielTheFox | but now | 20:18 |
| DanielTheFox | I have altered the sources.list | 20:18 |
| DanielTheFox | I did apt update successfully | 20:19 |
| fsmithred | - boot buster, install sysvinit-core | 20:19 |
| fsmithred | - download and install devuan-keyring | 20:19 |
| fsmithred | - change sources to devuan, update, upgrade | 20:19 |
| DanielTheFox | but when I want to do apt upgrade, it complains about systemd conflicting with consolekit and libpam-ck-connector | 20:19 |
| DanielTheFox | fsmithred: oh, yes, I rebooted | 20:19 |
| DanielTheFox | before doing the big stuff | 20:19 |
| fsmithred | well, then I don't know what's going to happen | 20:20 |
| DanielTheFox | it's not the /first/ thing I ever do in my entire life with Buster | 20:20 |
| fsmithred | rest of my synopsis is: | 20:20 |
| DanielTheFox | whatever | 20:20 |
| fsmithred | - (optional) install eudev and let it fail. This might save some time on the first reboot. | 20:20 |
| fsmithred | - reboot and install eudev, remove or purge systemd if it doesn't get removed automatically. (possibly libnss-systemd also) | 20:20 |
| fsmithred | huh? | 20:20 |
| fsmithred | yeah, I figured you've been using buster. I mean first step of the upgrade would be to install sysvinit-core before changing sources.list. | 20:21 |
| u1f320 | Hi. Is it possible to upgrade from Debian to Devuan 2.1 ? I've a Debian in a virtualbox. I'm seeing this 2016 video here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wMvyOGawNwo&t=25m | 20:29 |
| u1f320 | which shows upgrading from Wheezy/Jessie to Devuan (as it was in 2016) | 20:29 |
| u1f320 | so, was wondering if those steps should still work? | 20:30 |
| u1f320 | I guess I'll try, after all, I've got Snapshot ability | 20:32 |
| fsmithred | u1f320, https://devuan.org/os/documentation/dev1fanboy/ | 20:41 |
| frabbit | do i need change /boot/grub.cfg 4 having another resolution on tty? | 20:41 |
| u1f320 | fsmithred, cheers! so uhm, uan=1 ? dev1 :) | 20:45 |
| u1f320 | lol: "We can now remove systemd without any complaints." | 20:49 |
| u1f320 | seems stuck(after reboot) at: [....] Starting system message bus: dbus | 20:52 |
| u1f320 | I'm on Debian "buster" | 20:52 |
| u1f320 | steps from here https://devuan.org/os/documentation/dev1fanboy/migrate-to-ascii | 20:52 |
| u1f320 | oh nvm, it eventually moved on... | 20:53 |
| u1f320 | hmm no mouse cursor visible or any movement(other than seeing wallpaper) after logged in with user and password | 20:54 |
| u1f320 | the console user/pass login takes about 10 seconds to get to prompt | 20:56 |
| u1f320 | now stuck at Processing triggers for dbus (1.12.16-1) ... (during the systemd purge) | 21:02 |
| u1f320 | there's no CPU usage, seems like a deadlock | 21:04 |
| frabbit | u1f320: better do a fresh new install ;) | 21:05 |
| u1f320 | I will , but I just wanted to see this working:) | 21:05 |
| u1f320 | I killed this and it unlocked: dbus-send --print-reply --system --type=method_call --dest=org.freedesktop.DBus / org.freedesktop.DBus.ReloadConfig | 21:06 |
| u1f320 | It relocked again so I killed this: /usr/bin/dbus-daemon --system | 21:06 |
| u1f320 | but got: Failed to open connection to "system" message bus: Did not receive a reply. Possible causes include: the remote application did not send a reply, the message bus security policy blocked the reply, the reply timeout expired, or the network connection was broken. | 21:07 |
| u1f320 | reruning $ sudo apt-get purge systemd did nothing | 21:07 |
| u1f320 | which makes me wonder, did the previous transaction succeed even though it died after that second "Processing triggers for dbus (1.12.16-1) ..." ? | 21:08 |
| u1f320 | what about the other triggers? guess they weren't as important to run for the second time | 21:09 |
| u1f320 | holy moly there are so many IPs for deb.devuan.org | 21:10 |
| u1f320 | 12 | 21:10 |
| u1f320 | well this step failed "Update the package indexes so we can install the Devuan archive keyring." | 21:11 |
| u1f320 | the next failed too: # apt-get install devuan-keyring --allow-unauthenticated | 21:11 |
| u1f320 | E: Unable to locate package devuan-keyring | 21:11 |
| u1f320 | Guess I can't migrate from Debian buster to Devuan ascii 2.1 | 21:11 |
| u1f320 | is Devuan ascii 2.1 using the same packages as Debian buster, for example for 'file' | 21:16 |
| u1f320 | just want to check to see if it's current enough and has some CVE fixed | 21:16 |
| gnarface | ascii is older, i think you want to try to migrate buster to beowulf instead. then most the packages should match | 21:17 |
| u1f320 | gnarface, but can't find beowulf in https://files.devuan.org/ ? where would it be? | 21:20 |
| u1f320 | Is there a web interface where I can browse for the 'file' package? | 21:21 |
| gnarface | pkginfo.devuan.org | 21:21 |
| gnarface | there is probably no beowulf installer yet, if that's what you're looking for... | 21:22 |
| u1f320 | thank you | 21:23 |
| gnarface | no problem | 21:23 |
| mrbitterness | Is updating to beowulf not a pain anymore? | 21:23 |
| tuxd3v | on arm it seems ok | 21:24 |
| fsmithred | u1f320, you can't go from buster to 2.1 | 21:24 |
| gnarface | i've only tried it headless, but it worked for me | 21:24 |
| fsmithred | that would be a downgrade | 21:24 |
| u1f320 | fsmithred, oh good :) | 21:24 |
| gnarface | ascii-beowulf arm64 | 21:24 |
| gnarface | also worked going to sid | 21:24 |
| gnarface | er, ceres i mean | 21:24 |
| fsmithred | different instructions for going from buster to beowulf | 21:24 |
| u1f320 | fsmithred, not yet available? | 21:25 |
| gnarface | i picked up some issues between there though... ascii is definitely still more stable | 21:25 |
| tuxd3v | but extlinux package is missing in armhf and I believe also im arm64 :S | 21:25 |
| u1f320 | that web inteface only shows me some description text https://pkginfo.devuan.org/stage/ascii/ascii/file_5.30-1+deb9u2.html | 21:25 |
| u1f320 | now urls for sources, or build logs? | 21:26 |
| fsmithred | https://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?id=3044 | 21:26 |
| fsmithred | tuxd3v, do those arm devices use ext filesystems? | 21:26 |
| u1f320 | *now=no | 21:27 |
| tuxd3v | yes | 21:27 |
| fsmithred | u1f320, that last link shows how to wget the keyring | 21:27 |
| tuxd3v | almost exclusively | 21:27 |
| fsmithred | oh, ok. Was thinking possibly syslinux would be there | 21:28 |
| u1f320 | fsmithred, thanks, I noticed they mention " 2) Manually download and install devuan-keyring (wget, dpkg -i)." | 21:28 |
| tuxd3v | you can boot witha vfat for boot, but majority for boot uses ext2 | 21:28 |
| tuxd3v | and ext4 for filesystem | 21:28 |
| tuxd3v | ext4 for rootfs | 21:28 |
| tuxd3v | extlinux because its very small its a must to change between kernels | 21:29 |
| fsmithred | u1f320, note that those instructions tell you not to reboot until the end | 21:29 |
| fsmithred | extlinux is nice. Simple. | 21:29 |
| u1f320 | good info, cheers | 21:29 |
| tuxd3v | and its there a syslinux( for fat and ntfs partitions...which no one uses ), but extlinux is not there :( | 21:29 |
| tuxd3v | fsmithred, yes very simpla and small :) | 21:29 |
| gnarface | i have been using xfs | 21:30 |
| gnarface | it feels faster | 21:30 |
| fsmithred | lol, that's what they said about arch | 21:30 |
| fsmithred | I wish I could get my browser to feel faster | 21:31 |
| frabbit | fsmithred: use lynx =p | 21:31 |
| fsmithred | was just thinking of that | 21:32 |
| fsmithred | links2 if you want the web to look like 1995 | 21:33 |
| fsmithred | Try it. It's very relaxing. | 21:34 |
| frabbit | i know links2 too but i like lynx | 21:34 |
| frabbit | and i like websites taht are not defective by design | 21:34 |
| frabbit | if a webside wnat me to enable javascript so i can read some text, then the dev of this site is an idiot and i wont visit this site anymore | 21:35 |
| frabbit | *website | 21:36 |
| fsmithred | webslide | 21:36 |
| fsmithred | (going downhill) | 21:36 |
| frabbit | fsmithred: =) | 21:36 |
| frabbit | yes thats what js does with websites | 21:37 |
| fsmithred | we're straying OT at high rate of speed | 21:37 |
| frabbit | or these huge images so u need to scroll two times or more to reach the beginning of the article... | 21:37 |
| frabbit | fsmithred: yeah... | 21:38 |
| frabbit | but maybe not that much OT, i mean look systemd seems to be necessary to run several big os, same with js and the web ithink... | 21:39 |
| frabbit | so same philosophy here devuan stands 4 right? =) | 21:39 |
| fsmithred | we have #debianfork for non-support conversation | 21:43 |
| frabbit | i see | 21:43 |
| fsmithred | makes it easier to find stuff in the logs | 21:43 |
| frabbit | =) ok | 21:43 |
| u1f320 | I see this but where can I see sources or build logs? https://pkginfo.devuan.org/stage/beowulf/beowulf/file_5.35-4+deb10u1.html | 21:44 |
| fsmithred | source code for that package would probably (maybe) be at salsa.debian.org | 21:45 |
| fsmithred | u1f320, what exactly are you trying to do? | 21:46 |
| u1f320 | like this: https://packages.debian.org/buster/file and https://buildd.debian.org/status/fetch.php?pkg=file&arch=amd64&ver=1%3A5.37-6&stamp=1571784031&raw=0 where I can see that this was applied: dpkg-source: info: applying cherry-pick.FILE5_37-67-g46a8443f.limit-the-number-of-elements-in-a-vector-found-by-oss-fuzz.patch | 21:46 |
| fsmithred | ok, it looks like you found the right page. | 21:47 |
| u1f320 | basically, I want to know how up to date Devuan keeps its packages, security wise, at least | 21:47 |
| u1f320 | so it's using Debian stuff? | 21:48 |
| fsmithred | That's not a package that we change | 21:48 |
| u1f320 | ok, sounds good then | 21:48 |
| fsmithred | yeah, we merge debian and devuan repos and serve them as devuan | 21:48 |
| fsmithred | package that we modify will have +devuan in the version | 21:48 |
| u1f320 | but the stable Devuan is ascii now? which means it's using https://pkginfo.devuan.org/stage/ascii/ascii/file_5.30-1+deb9u2.html which is older than 5.35 | 21:49 |
| fsmithred | ascii = stretch | 21:49 |
| fsmithred | beowulf = buster | 21:49 |
| u1f320 | so if I want to have buster equivalency, I'd need to use Devuan testing? | 21:49 |
| fsmithred | yes | 21:49 |
| u1f320 | k | 21:49 |
| fsmithred | use the directions on the forum that I posted earlier | 21:50 |
| fsmithred | nixer's post (or my summary on the next page) | 21:50 |
| fsmithred | https://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?id=3044 | 21:50 |
| u1f320 | for migrating you mean? | 21:51 |
| fsmithred | yeah | 21:51 |
| fsmithred | if you do it the way it was done in past releases, you will have trouble | 21:51 |
| u1f320 | oh I'm definitely using them | 21:51 |
| fsmithred | cool | 21:51 |
| fsmithred | beowulf is very close to ready | 21:52 |
| u1f320 | so when they say " 3) change apt sources from buster to beowulf." | 21:52 |
| u1f320 | that means like s/buster/beowulf/ ? | 21:52 |
| u1f320 | g | 21:52 |
| fsmithred | um, no | 21:52 |
| fsmithred | you have to change the whole URL | 21:52 |
| fsmithred | deb http://deb.devuan.org/merged beowulf main | 21:53 |
| u1f320 | so like in this https://devuan.org/os/documentation/dev1fanboy/migrate-to-ascii | 21:53 |
| u1f320 | but this one's 404-ing: deb http://deb.devuan.org/merged beowulf-backports main | 21:54 |
| fsmithred | yeah, no beowulf-backports yet | 21:54 |
| u1f320 | during "apt update" | 21:54 |
| u1f320 | ok so that's normal, thanks | 21:55 |
| fsmithred | leave it commented for now | 21:55 |
| fsmithred | or forever | 21:55 |
| u1f320 | yeah, that forum doesn't show the lines, so I got a lil worried :) | 21:56 |
| fsmithred | oh, good call. We'll have to add that when we turn it into official instructions | 21:57 |
| u1f320 | well, it seems to have worked | 21:58 |
| u1f320 | some epic delay for ssh-ing into it, must be the low kernel version lacking randomness in virtualbox, though pressing a key 5 times used to work in buster+systemd | 22:01 |
| fsmithred | oh that | 22:01 |
| fsmithred | installing haveged might help | 22:01 |
| u1f320 | actually I'm still unable to get a ssh prompt | 22:01 |
| u1f320 | looks like it's installed | 22:02 |
| u1f320 | oh my bad, eth0 is not UP | 22:03 |
| u1f320 | I skipped this because it was already so with "lo" # alter /etc/network/interfaces file to change enp0s3 to: | 22:03 |
| u1f320 | i see that I was semi-wrong :) there's no dhcp line | 22:04 |
| fsmithred | you can keep the enp0s3 if you add boot option: net.ifnames=1 | 22:05 |
| u1f320 | all fixed. But there was no enp0s3, it's eth0 for me, I guess maybe because I was using network manager before? | 22:05 |
| u1f320 | I mean, the auto and iface lines had to be added | 22:06 |
| u1f320 | there was only "auto lo" and its iface line | 22:06 |
| fsmithred | yeah, that's normal | 22:06 |
| u1f320 | anyway fixed now, works ssh | 22:06 |
| fsmithred | you should not put your interface in that file if you are using any network manager | 22:06 |
| fsmithred | they might fight with each other | 22:07 |
| u1f320 | I think I installed wicd as per migration steps from that dev1 | 22:07 |
| fsmithred | that's the default | 22:07 |
| u1f320 | that is replaced... | 22:07 |
| fsmithred | but n-m is available | 22:07 |
| u1f320 | n-m and wicd are only graphical? | 22:08 |
| MinceR | afaik both of those have some sort of non-gui frontend | 22:08 |
| u1f320 | ah there's wicd-curses | 22:08 |
| u1f320 | I guess since I haven't configured wicd, it didn't bring up my network | 22:09 |
| u1f320 | I only removed n-m and installed wicd, as per (old)migration steps | 22:09 |
| u1f320 | the boot menu is new, is it still grub? | 22:12 |
| golinux | Yes | 22:13 |
| u1f320 | I switched back to lxqt but things seem broken | 22:13 |
| u1f320 | there's no menu, and clicking "my computer" fails with "Operation not supported" | 22:14 |
| u1f320 | I wonder if it was that "autoremove" command | 22:14 |
| u1f320 | or maybe lxqt still depends on systemd stuff? no idea | 22:15 |
| gnarface | you might just be missing some package | 22:15 |
| u1f320 | Computer, Network, Trash all fail with the same error, but "user" folder opens just fine | 22:16 |
| gnarface | maybe one of these: apt-cache search ^lxqt | 22:16 |
| gnarface | or maybe just the one called "menu" | 22:16 |
| fsmithred | lxqt works in devuan | 22:16 |
| u1f320 | 0 upgraded, 129 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded. | 22:16 |
| u1f320 | I'm sure the autoremove command removed these! | 22:17 |
| u1f320 | after all I was on xfce4, for the migration | 22:17 |
| fsmithred | figure out what's missing and install it | 22:17 |
| gnarface | it is possible to have multiple window managers installed | 22:18 |
| fsmithred | there may be library conflicts between xfce4 and lxqt | 22:18 |
| fsmithred | some of the polkit stuff | 22:18 |
| gnarface | you can use the alternatives system to change the default WM by setting it to x-window-manager | 22:18 |
| gnarface | man update-alternatives | 22:18 |
| gnarface | and not all the window managers work right with all the session managers i guess | 22:19 |
| gnarface | due to polkit stuff | 22:19 |
| u1f320 | I mean, those "129 newly installed" were missing... more or less, since I did apt-get install lxqt xD all good after reboot | 22:19 |
| u1f320 | ok, not all good, but the menu bar is back; still not opening My Computer with "Operation not supported"- probably polkit stuff as you mentioned | 22:20 |
| gnarface | i really don't know for sure | 22:21 |
| gnarface | i don't use a session manager, and i'm using enlightenment for a window manager... and i deleted all those filesystem links because i hate them | 22:22 |
| u1f320 | I did use this to switch to lxqt: sudo update-alternatives --config x-session-manager | 22:22 |
| u1f320 | oh i see | 22:22 |
| u1f320 | that why you said x-window-manager | 22:22 |
| u1f320 | There is only one alternative in link group x-window-manager (providing /usr/bin/x-window-manager): /usr/bin/xfwm4 | 22:22 |
| gnarface | that looks right, the update-alternatives command | 22:22 |
| u1f320 | is enlightenment lightweight? | 22:22 |
| fsmithred | paste output somewhere (not here) for: dpkg -l | egrep "consolekit|elogind|policykit|polkit|libpam" | 22:23 |
| gnarface | u1f320: by modern standards, i've found it to be lightweight but that's not to say it can't soak up ram to speed up | 22:23 |
| gnarface | u1f320: it will look like it takes a lot of ram but it won't really crowd anything | 22:24 |
| u1f320 | ah, well, I'm running on a 2011 amd laptop, firefox is seconds slower than the snappy chromium, so I might feel it | 22:24 |
| gnarface | heh | 22:24 |
| gnarface | so i heard something weird in an arm channel | 22:24 |
| gnarface | i heard zram will speed up firefox a lot if you're ram constrained | 22:25 |
| gnarface | i haven't tested this wild theory myself | 22:25 |
| gnarface | like if you only have 2GB it is supposed to help a lot... | 22:25 |
| u1f320 | ram is 16G though, it must be something else slowing it down | 22:25 |
| u1f320 | maybe the fact that I've compiled it myself and without PGO, probably | 22:26 |
| gnarface | did you try disabling pocket, smooth scrolling, and hardware accellerated rendering? | 22:26 |
| u1f320 | all disabled | 22:26 |
| u1f320 | trying to find a paste site, any recommandations? | 22:27 |
| fsmithred | paste.debian. net? | 22:27 |
| fsmithred | anything that does not require javascript | 22:28 |
| u1f320 | oh yeah, that's the spirit | 22:29 |
| u1f320 | https://paste.debian.net/1122984/ | 22:29 |
| u1f320 | fsmithred, https://paste.debian.net/plain/1122984 | 22:30 |
| fsmithred | checking | 22:32 |
| fsmithred | looks like you got the right ones | 22:33 |
| u1f320 | I've toggled some shortcut displaying for Desktop and now the Trash icon is gone, even though it's still selected, maybe some kind of missing dir or permission is at hand | 22:34 |
| u1f320 | now only Computer and Network icons are showing that Operation Not Supported error | 22:35 |
| u1f320 | I'll temp-switch to the Debian snapshot to get more info.. | 22:35 |
| gnarface | did you check the release notes about the polkit/consolekit stuff? | 22:36 |
| fsmithred | I'm going to boot up an lxqt live-iso and see what's there | 22:36 |
| u1f320 | gnarface, oops :-" | 22:36 |
| DanielTheFox | hrm, I appear to have devuanized my system | 22:36 |
| DanielTheFox | although I have yet to find what did it destroy | 22:36 |
| furrywolf | yay, foxes! | 22:37 |
| gnarface | DanielTheFox: you might have issues with permissions, temperature sensors, and sleep/hibernate | 22:37 |
| gnarface | (also, general powermanagement usually works but sometimes widgets break) | 22:38 |
| gnarface | permissions is trivial if you know about them | 22:38 |
| DanielTheFox | permissions are easy-peasy | 22:39 |
| DanielTheFox | but, hrm | 22:39 |
| DanielTheFox | GUI has never started automatically since I disabled lightdm (when I had systemd) | 22:39 |
| DanielTheFox | I guess it's still the same | 22:39 |
| DanielTheFox | let's see what did I destroy (I used lxde) | 22:39 |
| u1f320 | DanielTheFox, when I ran this, there was an "auto" option: sudo update-alternatives --config x-session-manager | 22:40 |
| DanielTheFox | I intentionally disabled GUI autostart :> | 22:40 |
| DanielTheFox | let's see if I get the command correctly with sysV | 22:40 |
| gnarface | you might get some sensor support back if you install and configure the lm-sensors package | 22:42 |
| DanielTheFox | well, I don't use such widgets, so I guess nothing happens there | 22:42 |
| DanielTheFox | however, I'm apt autoremove -ing the system | 22:42 |
| u1f320 | gnarface, where can I read those release notes for beowulf(?) ? | 22:42 |
| DanielTheFox | apparently, 4 GB will be freed | 22:43 |
| DanielTheFox | gnarface: uhh, btw | 22:43 |
| u1f320 | gnarface, some apt command or website? | 22:43 |
| DanielTheFox | what is ascii? | 22:43 |
| DanielTheFox | I know the text format thingie | 22:43 |
| gnarface | u1f320: not sure, but the ascii release notes for that part may still be mostly relevant | 22:43 |
| DanielTheFox | but why did I need to change repositories to devuan ASCII? | 22:43 |
| u1f320 | gnarface, I'll try to find those then, cheers | 22:43 |
| u1f320 | yeah I found that confusing at first, ascii what | 22:43 |
| gnarface | DanielTheFox: https://devuan.org/os/releases | 22:44 |
| DanielTheFox | heh, oak | 22:44 |
| DanielTheFox | so I must still switch to Beowulf | 22:44 |
| DanielTheFox | maybe there's something broken in the downgrade? | 22:44 |
| DanielTheFox | I had Debian Buster | 22:45 |
| gnarface | yes, if you downgraded, extra things may have gotten broken. downgrading isn't actually supported in Debian either | 22:45 |
| DanielTheFox | hrm | 22:46 |
| DanielTheFox | Beowulf is still "testing", right? | 22:46 |
| DanielTheFox | but I just hope nothing happens if I upgrade now, lol | 22:47 |
| gnarface | correct, it's still testing | 22:47 |
| u1f320 | gnarface, found it https://files.devuan.org/devuan_ascii/Release_notes.txt no polkit mention? | 22:47 |
| gnarface | u1f320: sorry "policykit" | 22:47 |
| u1f320 | oh i just found it lol | 22:47 |
| DanielTheFox | gnarface: alternatively, I might remove /everything/ except the base system | 22:48 |
| DanielTheFox | and install it again | 22:48 |
| DanielTheFox | install everything again | 22:48 |
| gnarface | DanielTheFox: it might work | 22:48 |
| DanielTheFox | that is, leave Devuan as if I just had fresh-installed it | 22:48 |
| DanielTheFox | gnarface: is there a way to automatize that? | 22:50 |
| DanielTheFox | or it's easier to just dist-upgrade to Beowulf? (despite it being testing) | 22:50 |
| DanielTheFox | it is a personal computer, not a production system | 22:50 |
| brocashelm | question: is there any quality difference between hdmi or dvi? what if i convert a dvi monitor to hdmi signal (my gpu has both hdmi and dvi) | 22:50 |
| DanielTheFox | brocashelm: you lose audio | 22:51 |
| DanielTheFox | but you may never have had audio if your monitor doesn't have speakers | 22:51 |
| DanielTheFox | so in that case, it's mostly the same | 22:51 |
| u1f320 | gnarface, now I know why fsmithred asked for that paste xD | 22:51 |
| brocashelm | i use my own speakers | 22:51 |
| DanielTheFox | and HDMI is signal-compatible with DVI, so nothing prevents you from using a passive (electronicless) HDMI to DVI converter, HDMI was just designed with that in mind | 22:51 |
| DanielTheFox | and, in that very case, it'll be literally the same | 22:52 |
| brocashelm | ah, i see | 22:52 |
| brocashelm | my gpu is limited to dvi, hmdi, and dp, but my two monitors only do hdmi or vga (ew) | 22:52 |
| u1f320 | when I dblclick "My Computer" the command seems to be: "pcmanfm-qt computer:///" | 22:52 |
| brocashelm | one of each of those ports, by the way | 22:52 |
| u1f320 | but only this one doesn't err: "pcmanfm-qt /home/user" | 22:53 |
| gnarface | a note though - at equivalent resolutions, the monitors i have here have lower refresh ranges on HDMI than DVI... so i've found in one case DVI to be superior (not using the audio passthrough either0 | 22:53 |
| gnarface | ) | 22:53 |
| brocashelm | i haven't had any problems using this with xfce, but i do like having dual monitors | 22:53 |
| brocashelm | interesting. i'm using the exact same monitor models | 22:53 |
| DanielTheFox | HDMI ports can output DVI signals | 22:54 |
| DanielTheFox | I don't remember if HDMI monitors can receive DVI signals, I think they can tho | 22:54 |
| DanielTheFox | HDMI in monitor (no audio) mode is basically the same | 22:54 |
| gnarface | it is common for there to be multiple inputs yea | 22:55 |
| brocashelm | dell p2212h | 22:55 |
| DanielTheFox | HDMI TVs can receive audio in case you don't want to plug extra wires and you want to keep using the TV's speakers | 22:55 |
| brocashelm | using two of these on the same pc | 22:55 |
| gnarface | sometimes there's not speakers and it's just a audio jack | 22:55 |
| gnarface | for passthrough | 22:55 |
| gnarface | like a headphone jack | 22:55 |
| brocashelm | i do have an hdmi tv serving another desktop | 22:55 |
| gnarface | or line-out | 22:56 |
| DanielTheFox | on Linux, however, the HDMI audio output could mean you need to manually select either audio card (the video card becomes an audio card too!) | 22:56 |
| DanielTheFox | the one in your mobo, or the video+audio card | 22:56 |
| brocashelm | i haven't had to do that with alsa, iirc | 22:56 |
| DanielTheFox | if you use pulseaudio, nothing happens, it already does it for yo | 22:56 |
| DanielTheFox | you | 22:57 |
| gnarface | yes, that's true | 22:57 |
| DanielTheFox | but if you're anything like me, who hates pulseaudio's low performance on the command-line interface (I use tty mostly), then you have to contend with that, and gain some speed and less bugs in exchange | 22:57 |
| brocashelm | alsa works perfectly for me. i only had problems with pulse | 22:58 |
| DanielTheFox | me too | 22:58 |
| DanielTheFox | and most programs still use alsa without complaining | 22:58 |
| brocashelm | yup | 22:58 |
| brocashelm | even when switching sound outputs, very little to change | 22:59 |
| DanielTheFox | I guess no one will phase it out, especially since Raspbian doesn't use pulseaudio despite being a modern and frequently-used distro | 22:59 |
| brocashelm | what i like to do is hook up my headphone jack to my receiver so i can hear sound out of my speakers | 22:59 |
| DanielTheFox | oh well | 22:59 |
| brocashelm | independent from hdmi/dvi connectivity | 23:00 |
| brocashelm | but yeah, wanted to make sure if there was anything to keep in mind about dvi and hdmi. trying to make the best of my gpu | 23:00 |
| u1f320 | I remember at least one TV/monitor that would postprocess HDMI input compared to DVI input, I guess it thought it's doing me a favor by enhancing colors and other stuff | 23:00 |
| brocashelm | since there is still a displayport, i could look into a third instance of that monitor that converts dvi to dp | 23:00 |
| DanielTheFox | yeah, but now you'll need more electronics | 23:01 |
| DanielTheFox | a passive connector won't work anymore | 23:01 |
| DanielTheFox | unless the GPU or the monitor include the electronics, and all you need is to adjust the pins (but that's unlikely) | 23:01 |
| brocashelm | my gpu has one of each of those | 23:02 |
| DanielTheFox | brocashelm: can the GPU output to all those outputs at the same time? | 23:02 |
| brocashelm | dvi-d, hdmi, and dp | 23:02 |
| DanielTheFox | more monitors require significantly more video memory and may use more internal GPU RAM bandwidth, and if many screens are being used for gaming, it'll be more load for the GPU | 23:04 |
| brocashelm | the model is radeon rx 460 | 23:04 |
| DanielTheFox | oh, btw | 23:04 |
| DanielTheFox | do you really do gaming on your Linux box? | 23:04 |
| brocashelm | not on this one in particular, no | 23:05 |
| brocashelm | it's mostly for watching videos + productivity + web browsing | 23:05 |
| brocashelm | much of what i do gaming-wise is emulation | 23:05 |
| DanielTheFox | hehehe | 23:05 |
| u1f320 | How could I recompile a package with -DDEBUG -D_FORTIFY_SOURCE=2 -DQT_FORCE_ASSERTS ? kind new to this apt stuff | 23:06 |
| u1f320 | kinda* | 23:06 |
| DanielTheFox | I have a fairly old machine, yet I do /some/ gaming there | 23:06 |
| DanielTheFox | mostly emulation, PSX/NDS or below | 23:06 |
| brocashelm | yeah, my computers are all old (mid-2000s through early 2010s) | 23:06 |
| DanielTheFox | mine is ~2007 | 23:06 |
| brocashelm | yeah, i actually have epsxe loaded on my emulation pc | 23:06 |
| brocashelm | heck, all but one of my machines are still in the core2 era | 23:06 |
| DanielTheFox | Lenovo ThinkCentre A52 8382, Pentium 4 @ 2.8 GHz, 1 GB DDR2 RAM | 23:07 |
| brocashelm | but i've upgraded them to the quad cores (q9650) | 23:07 |
| DanielTheFox | mine's worse, lol | 23:07 |
| brocashelm | maxed their ram to 8 gb | 23:07 |
| DanielTheFox | I want to buy an entire new (but used) computer in the Core 2 Quad or i3 era | 23:07 |
| brocashelm | oh wow haha | 23:07 |
| brocashelm | the "best" one i have is an i5 3570 | 23:07 |
| DanielTheFox | my motherboard won't accept Core 2 Duo (unsupported by BIOS) | 23:07 |
| DanielTheFox | buuut I'm low in budget | 23:07 |
| DanielTheFox | so that won't happen until much later, haha | 23:08 |
| brocashelm | all it tells me is it's not so much what your budget is, but what you can do with what you have | 23:08 |
| brocashelm | and gnu/linux is perfect IMO | 23:08 |
| brocashelm | i missed the boat for windows 8 and beyond | 23:08 |
| DanielTheFox | yeah, I sometimes do video transcoding (mostly for fun, and for making old hardware start playing videos again) | 23:08 |
| DanielTheFox | the Pentium 4 is enough most of the time | 23:08 |
| brocashelm | ah, cool. i finally phased out vlc and just use mpv now | 23:08 |
| brocashelm | ffmpeg is ace | 23:09 |
| DanielTheFox | just as long as I don't do libx264 | 23:09 |
| brocashelm | oh yeah those would take centuries | 23:09 |
| brocashelm | precisely why i hate ripping dvds | 23:09 |
| DanielTheFox | encoding h264 is slow, even MPEG4 Part2 (my favorite, a fair compromise between CPU usage and bitrate) | 23:09 |
| DanielTheFox | yeah, when I rip DVDs, I use mpeg4, precisely | 23:09 |
| DanielTheFox | but then I have quite high bitrate (beyond 1 Mbps for SD video) | 23:10 |
| prfilser | DanielTheFox: Core Duo is preferable to Core 2 Duo ;); | 23:23 |
| prfilser | in good news, i am first person to get Blades of Exile running on devuan arm ;) | 23:24 |
| golinux | #debianfork is for non-support chitchat | 23:25 |
| prfilser | ty | 23:26 |
| DanielTheFox | oh well | 23:35 |
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