| enyc | yeti: hah, well nonetheless thats debians' official policy, which can be quoted back at them $debian-maintainer-additude-deajudstment-tool etc | 00:08 |
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| enyc | yeti: nonetheless, being able to get some changes upstream imho definitely a good thing! | 00:09 |
| enyc | What I didn't see in the vote/resolution is a discussion of how best to handle systemd-feature-creep though maybe thats inherent in the question asked, etc | 00:09 |
| enyc | FWIW, those who didn't see -- Choice B voted formally https://www.debian.org/vote/2019/vote_002#textb | 00:11 |
| tuxd3v | prfilser, congratz!! | 01:08 |
| systemdlete | Finally, they are finding religion...? | 02:49 |
| tuxd3v | any good file manager gtk2, using low resources and fast? | 02:52 |
| tuxd3v | I was thinking in rox-filler.. | 02:52 |
| tuxd3v | its too much basic.. :) | 02:52 |
| tuxd3v | thunar needs some xfce4 dependencies :( | 02:53 |
| aaro | pcmanfm is the other one i know of but i use thunar | 02:54 |
| tuxd3v | I also use thunar in my xfce4 | 02:54 |
| tuxd3v | its nice | 02:54 |
| tuxd3v | but I wanted one for arm, low resources and low dependencies.. :S | 02:54 |
| systemdlete | Proposal H: Being Excellent to Each Other | 03:13 |
| systemdlete | Sorry, but that is not really a correct use of the word there. | 03:14 |
| systemdlete | "Respectful" "professional" "cooperative" ... how about those words instead? They seem to fit the context better. | 03:14 |
| fsmithred | tuxd3v, check out spacefm | 03:38 |
| fsmithred | with pmount or udevil, it can mount/unmount removable drives | 03:41 |
| tuxd3v | fsmithred, thanks I will try it out | 03:44 |
| tuxd3v | what you think is best pmount or udevil ? | 03:44 |
| tuxd3v | udevil seems to have 1 less dependency, but has bigger sugestions :S | 03:45 |
| tuxd3v | I think I will need to try both :) | 03:45 |
| fsmithred | I've always used pmount, but I don't know that it's any better | 03:47 |
| fsmithred | just habit | 03:47 |
| fsmithred | I know pmount can handle luks-encrypted filesystems. (Not tested in beowulf yet.) | 03:48 |
| tuxd3v | with pmount Iwill need 'gvfs' and 'policykit-1' ? | 03:49 |
| fsmithred | not gvfs | 03:49 |
| tuxd3v | its not a dependency, probably it doesn't | 03:49 |
| tuxd3v | ok, thanks | 03:49 |
| fsmithred | gonna check something... | 03:49 |
| fsmithred | pmount doesn't even need dbus | 03:50 |
| tuxd3v | nice, I think I will try first pmount :) | 03:51 |
| tuxd3v | seems cleaner at least from dependency checks, and recommends/sugestions | 03:51 |
| tuxd3v | :) | 03:51 |
| fsmithred | Take a look at this for fun: https://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?id=2158 | 03:51 |
| tuxd3v | it his a very good start, and very close to what I need | 03:56 |
| agris | hey golinux, can you link me to the article you posted on the Debian forums 2014 systemd debate on why the quality and reliability of Debian matters because of how widely it will get deployed throughout industry, even in the international space station? | 04:40 |
| golinux | agris: I'll try to find it | 04:51 |
| golinux | Sorry . . . came up empty. So I'll just post one of my favs from that time: http://lkml.iu.edu//hypermail/linux/kernel/1408.1/02496.html | 04:55 |
| agris | thanks | 05:04 |
| agris | is this from you? | 05:04 |
| golinux | Not understanding what you're asking | 05:10 |
| DonkeyHotei | authorship | 05:13 |
| agris | Is this just a random piece you like or did you write this? | 05:14 |
| * rrq wouldn't attach "random" to much of what golinux does :) but it's good to learn that her stage name is C Barry... | 05:24 | |
| frabbit | i use linux-libre kernel. i like to upgrade it automatically if a newer version is available with apt upgrade, is that possible? | 05:25 |
| golinux | <agris> Is this just a random piece you like or did you write this? No I did not. To date, still the best description of the problem. | 05:27 |
| agris | frabbit, linux-libre? | 05:29 |
| g4570n | frabbit: yes, add the repos | 05:31 |
| plasma41 | frabbit: yes. I run Devuan with linux-libre. Just add linux-libre's freesh apt repo to your sources.list. | 05:42 |
| frabbit | agris: yes | 05:43 |
| frabbit | g4570n: and plasma41 i did this | 05:43 |
| agris | what's that? | 05:43 |
| plasma41 | frabbit: You should be good to go then | 05:43 |
| plasma41 | agris: https://jxself.org/linux-libre/ | 05:44 |
| frabbit | but i need to run apt list linux-image*-gnu to see new versions and if tehre are new available i need to install them manually | 05:44 |
| g4570n | frabbit: 👍 | 05:44 |
| frabbit | deb https://linux-libre.fsfla.org/pub/linux-libre/freesh freesh main | 05:45 |
| frabbit | thats my repo for linux-libre | 05:45 |
| frabbit | g4570n: cant see what u have posted there... | 05:45 |
| plasma41 | frabbit: See the "Use Case" table on https://jxself.org/linux-libre/ | 05:45 |
| frabbit | plasma41: what 4? o0 | 05:46 |
| frabbit | ive already chosen a version | 05:47 |
| plasma41 | Oh, ok. So you're good to go? | 05:47 |
| frabbit | plasma41: what means good to go? | 05:48 |
| frabbit | cant translate that... | 05:49 |
| plasma41 | frabbit: All questions answered and all issues solved, I mean. | 05:50 |
| frabbit | plasma41: no o0 | 05:50 |
| frabbit | it doesnt upgrade automatic | 05:50 |
| agris | what about the binux kernel | 05:50 |
| frabbit | and doesnt listed too by apt list --upgradable | 05:50 |
| frabbit | as i said i need to do that manually everytime... | 05:51 |
| frabbit | agris: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linux-libre | 05:52 |
| plasma41 | frabbit: Did you add the repo's signing key with 'apt-key' as per the directions on https://jxself.org/linux-libre/ ? | 05:52 |
| frabbit | plasma41: of course | 05:53 |
| agris | the binux kernel as from the bubuntu binux | 05:53 |
| frabbit | else i couldnt get it o0 | 05:53 |
| g4570n | apt update? | 05:53 |
| frabbit | ... | 05:53 |
| frabbit | that doesnt work as i said before... | 05:54 |
| plasma41 | frabbit: I can't think of why it's not working. Maybe ask in #linux-libre? | 05:55 |
| g4570n | you | 05:55 |
| g4570n | last | 05:55 |
| g4570n | kernel | 05:55 |
| g4570n | kernel | 05:56 |
| g4570n | kernel | 05:56 |
| g4570n | kernel | 05:56 |
| g4570n | kernel | 05:56 |
| g4570n | kernel | 05:56 |
| frabbit | plasma41: =/ | 05:56 |
| g4570n | kernel | 05:56 |
| frabbit | whats that? a troll? | 05:56 |
| frabbit | oh hes kicked | 05:57 |
| agris | maybe his client glitched out | 05:58 |
| agris | it's rather excessive to automatically assume he's a troll because he just said kernel a couple times | 05:59 |
| frabbit | agris: thats ur pov not mine ;) | 06:00 |
| agris | your not wrong | 06:12 |
| bnjf | <3 thx devuan. enabled serial in /etc/inittab and that's enough to get cloud-init installed and back online with a saner debian :D | 16:10 |
| * gnarface claps excitedly | 16:21 | |
| xkr47 | :) | 17:05 |
| HeteroChromia420 | Greetings. | 17:46 |
| furrywolf | heyas | 17:46 |
| HeteroChromia420 | may i ask (if it is appropriate) how far is beowulf in development (and it's estimated release date if there's one)? i'm interested on this project, though i can't really use it yet because i rely on some packages from buster | 17:50 |
| wdcbb | I thought haveged was installed by default with the system (ASCII 2.1) but I was wrong. | 18:07 |
| wdcbb | It seems to me that it should be, but maybe there is a reason that it is not. I have looked | 18:07 |
| wdcbb | around a little and I have not found any guidance. Should I install it? This is on a | 18:07 |
| wdcbb | personal computer. If there are some parameters or considerations – what are they? | 18:07 |
| wdcbb | I am new to chat so please excuse my startup clumseyness. | 18:07 |
| yeti | you can manually upgrade 2.1 to 3.0 | 18:10 |
| golinux | Yes, you can install haveged. | 18:13 |
| wdcbb | I can install haveged, but I am trying to understand why it is not there by default. | 18:16 |
| wdcbb | Is there some reason not to install it? | 18:17 |
| yeti | I dont even know what that is... :-/ | 18:17 |
| yeti | asking marjory | 18:17 |
| debdog | https://issihosts.com/haveged/ | 18:17 |
| * debdog had to read up on in, too | 18:18 | |
| debdog | *it | 18:18 |
| yeti | does that help @boot? | 18:18 |
| yeti | sometimes I get delays because VMs have too less chaos | 18:18 |
| fsmithred | I added haveged to my live isos that have openssh-server installed, because without it takes too long to make new host keys on boot. That shouldn't be an issue with an installed system that keeps its host keys between boots. | 18:19 |
| yeti | ok... then the delays may have a different cause | 18:20 |
| fsmithred | I just got back. Where's the delay? | 18:20 |
| yeti | I cant ssh in long after reboot | 18:21 |
| yeti | and it looks like wiggling the mouse speeds it up | 18:21 |
| fsmithred | oh, that does sound like an entropy problem | 18:21 |
| fsmithred | but why there? | 18:21 |
| yeti | not devuan | 18:21 |
| yeti | I noticed that only in 2 void VMs | 18:21 |
| fsmithred | ssh -v give you any useful info? | 18:22 |
| yeti | ssh_exchange_identification: Connection closed by remote host | 18:24 |
| yeti | for a long time and its faster if I use the mouse overt the QEMU window some seconds | 18:25 |
| yeti | maybe the lack of entropy in a VM blocks something that is no problem in real hardware | 18:25 |
| yeti | but why only void? | 18:26 |
| fsmithred | maybe it needs some randomness on every login. I don't know. | 18:26 |
| yeti | it's not really urgent... | 18:26 |
| fsmithred | try installing haveged and see if that helps | 18:26 |
| yeti | Size required on disk: 171KB | 18:27 |
| yeti | oyg!!! | 18:27 |
| fsmithred | for void, my first guess would be that something is missing. But I don't actually know much about void. | 18:27 |
| yeti | restart in new qemu instance | 18:27 |
| yeti | no change | 18:28 |
| yeti | but definitely mouse movement speeds it up | 18:28 |
| fsmithred | are you booting a live iso or an installed system? | 18:29 |
| yeti | intsalled | 18:29 |
| yeti | it works ... just that delay is suspicious | 18:30 |
| yeti | I'l check that on real hardware... somewhen | 18:31 |
| yeti | but that probably has enough stimuli from real life | 18:31 |
| yeti | I should build an usb random generator | 18:31 |
| yeti | hmmm.... maybe even injecting some fake packets on ethernet could help | 18:32 |
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