libera/#devuan/ Sunday, 2020-01-12

waynedpjahoy all.  trying to install Devuan 2.1 to an existing encrypted Btrfs subvolume as described here https://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?pid=19401#p19401 .  some other pages i found seem to change the /target mount after partitioning step but before installation begins.  however with the desktop-live and netinst expert mode i cannot find a way to00:45
waynedpjprevent partition step to use my existing partition layout without formatting.  assuming that this is something simple that i am missing?  thanks.00:45
HurgotronI need to do a few clean Devuan installs. What's the recommended way to install Beowulf currently? Install ASCII and upgrade? (I can test stuff if someone wants me to)00:55
furrywolfI believe you still need to install ascii and upgrade, yes.01:00
fsmithredwaynedpj, with desktop-live you can tell the installer not to format your partitions. But I'm not sure if it will see btrfs partitions.01:01
fsmithred(the graphical installer, that is.)01:01
fsmithredthe cli installer will use whatever partitions you type in when it asks01:01
fsmithredset no-format in the config file01:01
fsmithredHurgotron, PM on the way01:02
waynedpjfsmithred hank you very much.  by cli installer i assume you mean with netinst?  i could not find a way to get an expert install running from the desktop-live image.04:17
plasma41waynedpj: expert install is not in desktop-live image, correct04:23
fsmithredoh, I answereed in pm04:23
fsmithredyeah, refractainstaller is in live isos04:23
fsmithredpartitioning has to be done manually04:25
waynedpjplasma41 thanks, so i can just refractainstaller from the desktop-live image?04:35
plasma41correct04:35
waynedpjplasma41 aha, so expert mode is just running the refractainstaller from the command line?04:45
waynedpjat least for desktop-live?04:45
plasma41no, expert install is an option of devuan's version of the debian-installer on the install-isos04:48
waynedpjOK, so is it possible to use the refractainstaller to install to an existing Btrfs subvolume?  i just tried and i cannot seem to find a way.  i have the subvolumes mounted but i guess the trick with changing the /target mount is only for the debian-based installer, i.e. netinst?04:56
plasma41I don't think you can do that with refractainstaller. You should be able to with the netinst.04:59
fsmithredwaynedpj, yes, you can install to btrfs05:02
fsmithredfirst, edit /etc/refractainstaller.conf and set no_format="yes"05:03
fsmithredthen run 'refractainstaller' from root terminal05:03
fsmithredhow many partitions are you installing to?05:03
fsmithredit will ask if you have separate /boot or /home05:05
waynedpjfsmithred thanks.  i have an EFI partition sda1 (not used on this BIOS PC but for future), sda2 is BIOS GRUB for booting on GPT, lastly sda3 is Btrfs and the target partition.  that sda3 has 2 subvolumes, 1 for / and other for /home, they are the places to which i am trying to install.05:06
fsmithredwhat are the device names for those subvolumes?05:07
fsmithredsomething like a /dev/mapper/ name maybe?05:07
waynedpjfsmithred hmm, not sure what you mean.  with Btrfs they are all located on the same device i.e. /dev/sda3.  that partition is actually LUKS1 encrypted so yes, i access it via /dev/mapper/storage but again the subvolumes are still in that device .. unless i am not following?05:08
waynedpjfor example i mount the subvolumes always using the same device /dev/mapper/storage05:09
fsmithredand they both mount together?05:09
fsmithredI mean at the same time05:09
fsmithredthere needs to be some way to name the subvolumes so the installer knows where to put /home and / contents05:10
fsmithredit uses rsync05:10
fsmithredif you were going to rsync something to one subvolume, what would the target be?05:10
fsmithredif you tell the installer to put the whole system on /dev/mapper/storage, it will do that05:11
fsmithredif you tell it to put / on /dev/mapper/storage and then tell it to put /home on /dev/mapper/storage you will get an error telling you that you can't use that partition again.05:12
waynedpjyes, they both mount together but to different mount points: the mount command for Btrfs can take an option that selects which subvolume of the device to mount05:12
waynedpjOK if it uses rsync then can i simply give it the path to the root and home subvolumes since they are mounted: /mnt/home /mnt/root ?05:13
fsmithredum, i don't think so05:14
fsmithredthe installer wants to mount the partitions you give it05:14
fsmithredwell, that might not be too difficult to hack05:14
fsmithredpossibly just comment out the mount lines05:14
fsmithred(it's a bash script)05:14
fsmithredor change it to the btrfs mount command05:15
fsmithredwaynedpj, please post the following on your thread at dev1galaxy:05:16
fsmithredoutput of mount when the subvolumes are mounted05:17
fsmithredthe btrfs mount commands you use05:17
fsmithredI need to sleep now. Can look at it tomorrow.05:17
waynedpjfsmithred me too, thanks for the help, will try to find you tomorrow.  good night!05:18
fsmithredand anything else you think I need to know.05:18
fsmithredg'night05:18
fsmithredhttps://refracta.org/docs/readme.refractainstaller.txt05:19
fsmithredwaynedpj, ^^^05:19
waynedpjthanks.  from what i can see might be easier to use netinst to install to existing Btrfs, will research some more before chatting.  thanks again!05:20
ejrwhat could be the reason that after upgrading to beowulf on a minimal devuan installation all of a sudden things like network-manager are removed (which i installed myself),, several packages like my i3wm statusbar as well, and xserver only works when i log into it with root? is that a known issue?10:51
buZzejr: huh, network-manager works without systemd? since when10:51
buZzmy x server worked totally fine after distupgrading to beowulf10:52
ejrbuZz: it always did as far as I know, at least I had it running without systemd before10:54
ejrjust delete some lines in the interfaces file and change some lines in NetworkManager.conf10:55
rrqI made 2020-01-09-1-devuan_beowulf_3.0.0_i386_desktop.iso with a few captain's calls and then the top of the popcon:vote list10:56
rrq310:56
buZzi386? :O10:56
onefangI still have a couple of i486s here I use for embedded work.11:01
adga137hello, friends!.14:14
adga137exists irc chat for speak spanish users14:42
adga137??14:42
fsmithredadga137, I think so14:47
fsmithredI don't know the name of the channel14:47
fsmithredLook around here - https://dev1galaxy.org/viewforum.php?id=2314:48
yetitelegram has some spanish devuan stuff15:32
yeti#devuan-es has 1 user says alis15:33
yetimaybe the topic should be "back soon, meanwhilke grab a cookie15:34
g4570no/16:03
g4570nWe need to recover that channel: #devuan-es, ran out of admin. Some dev of the project could retrieve it for us by talking with the Freenode staff16:04
g4570nyeti: do you speaks spanish?16:05
yetino16:07
TwistedFateHello16:45
TwistedFateHow can I monitor Ryzen 3000 series CPU temperatures?16:45
TwistedFateUsing Devuan unstable with 5.4 kernel16:45
fsmithredlm-sensors16:49
fsmithredTwistedFate, are you on the 3000 now?16:50
TwistedFatefsmithred: yes16:51
TwistedFatelm-sensors is giving confusing information16:52
TwistedFatesuch as this https://paste.debian.net/hidden/88933665/16:52
fsmithredtemps look good. I don't believe the 12816:54
fsmithreddid you run sensors-detect? (I haven't needed to do that lately.)16:54
TwistedFatefsmithred: yeah, ran that one before running sensors16:57
TwistedFatebut the thing is, i don't see per core temps anywhere16:57
TwistedFatenor a proper CPU temperature16:57
TwistedFatelike i did with intel i5 before16:57
fsmithredI think that would be lines 24 and 2516:58
TwistedFatefsmithred: i'm not even sure anymore.. after reading bunch of stuff on the interwebz, i got an impression it's the lines 40 and 4116:58
TwistedFatebut i don't know anymore >.<16:59
fsmithredyeah, k10temp would be cpu17:00
fsmithredis it 4 cores?17:00
TwistedFateit's 6 cores 12 threads17:00
fsmithredok, I was thinking maybe AUXTIN0-3 corresponded to cores17:00
fsmithreddo some cpu-intesive stuff and check temps every couple seconds17:01
TwistedFateGod, gnu+linux is a hot mess17:04
TwistedFatei can't believe they haven't figured out the temperatures yet17:04
TwistedFatei want to do some heavy compiling but i can't because i'm worried it's gonna overheat my CPU17:05
fsmithredmaybe a shutoff temp setting in bios17:06
fsmithredyou could set it lower for safety17:06
tuxd3vTwistedFate, can you do a 'lsmod' ?17:11
tuxd3vwhat is your motherboard?17:12
tuxd3vdepending on the Motherboard...Ausus /MSI you could need to compile a kernel module diferent..17:13
TwistedFatetuxd3v: yea, it's MSI B450 Tomahawk MAX https://paste.debian.net/hidden/afa97388/17:13
tuxd3vAusus -> Asus17:13
tuxd3vyou already have the sensor package installed 'nct6775-dkms'17:17
tuxd3vto a sensors-detect again nd check what it reports..17:17
tuxd3vthere are another driver for the temp sensor..17:17
tuxd3vMSI or use 'it87-dkms' or what you have  'nct6775-dkms'17:19
tuxd3vusually Asus chean with  'nct6775-dkms' I believe17:20
tuxd3vI haven't it , but there are tons of people cmplaining about that subject, in the web :S17:20
tuxd3vchean -> cheap17:22
tuxd3vin previous ryzens they have a ~30°C offset17:25
tuxd3vbut I believe the kernel module already make calculations with those values..17:26
minnesotags1Um, Devuan packages down?19:50
minnesotags1W: Failed to fetch http://us.mirror.devuan.org/merged/dists/ascii/InRelease  Temporary failure resolving 'packages.roundr.devuan.org'19:53
TwistedFatei keep getting that from time to time19:56
TwistedFatethought it was only me and that my connection/PC was at fault19:56
TwistedFatebut looks like it's not19:56
scaniatruckerTwistedFate: frlom my side no problems with apt update. Works smooth20:04
onefangTry deb.devuan.org.20:10
onefanghttps://sledjhamr.org/apt-panopticon/results/Report-web.html if you want to know the status of Devuan mirrors.20:11
onefangThough don't believe the speed it gives sledjhamr.org, it's running on that server, so that's disk speed, not network speed like the others.  lol20:12
golinuxminnesotags: Use deb.devuan.org.  Country code mirrors are not set up properly.20:19
golinuxShould have read all the scrollback20:20
golinuxAt least I get to say hi to minnesotags   :D20:20
DonkeyHoteiminnesotags1: ^20:27
golinuxHmmm . . . tab gave me minnesotags without the 120:29
DonkeyHoteiit's a client setting20:31
golinuxIt usually gets it right20:31
gnarfacetry repeated tabbing20:34
gnarfaceit gives me minnesotags on the 3rd try20:34
gnarfaceminnesotags1 is the first in the slot20:34
gnarfacefor some reason MinceR is between them20:35
gnarfaceit must be cached based on channel join order or something20:35
gnarfaceMinceR (ignore me)20:35
MinceR:)20:35
DonkeyHoteihexchat give the choice between A-Z order and Last-spoke order20:37
DonkeyHoteiin prefs20:38
gnarfaceah, i haven't looked at that recently20:38
cousin_luigiGreetings.21:29
XenguyWhat's up cuz?22:37
Xenguy^^ reminds me of Mr Robot22:37

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