fsmithred | waynedpj, askpass is missing from initrd | 00:06 |
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fsmithred | cryptsetup is missing | 00:06 |
mason | fsmithred: This bites me sometimes, if I have cryptsetup installed, but not cryptsetup-initramfs. | 00:17 |
fsmithred | I have cryptsetup-initramfs | 00:17 |
fsmithred | and /etc/cryptsetup-initramfs/conf-hook has CRYPTSETUP=y | 00:17 |
fsmithred | gotta go. bbl. | 00:22 |
golinux | mason: Just caught up with you post about getting PXE booting working on Devuan. What a great project! There was recently an email on DNG from someone wanting this . | 00:56 |
mason | Working at it. | 00:56 |
golinux | :D | 00:57 |
golinux | That would be a great contribution! | 00:57 |
mason | This would go so much more smoothly if I didn't typo config options. | 01:00 |
mason | Anyway, I've got Debian net-install pxe booting, so it ought to be a matter of replacing the relevant bits with Devuan installer bits and life will be grand. | 01:01 |
mason | Oddly, I can get hardware to netboot, but I'm struggling to get virtual machines to do it. | 01:08 |
mason | debugging that now, as I need both cases to work | 01:09 |
mason | golinux: Alright, this is progress. I can boot VMs and hardware, and it looks like it won't take much work to adapt the Devuan net installer ISO content for PXE booting. | 01:59 |
mason | Basically I just need to change relative paths. | 01:59 |
golinux | mason: That's really good news!! | 02:31 |
mason | golinux: I'm writing up initial notes/instructions now, and you'll see it on DNG presently. | 02:31 |
golinux | Good. I'm sure you saw this post: https://lists.dyne.org/lurker/message/20200109.223409.d0622c25.en.html | 02:33 |
mason | I did, yes, and only a couple days after I was thinking it's something I wanted. | 02:34 |
golinux | I figured | 02:34 |
mason | I'm going to go through the steps as I write them to verify, so it'll maybe be 20 minutes. | 02:37 |
waynedpj | is there a log for this channel? | 02:45 |
fsmithred | yeah | 02:46 |
fsmithred | http://maemo.cloud-7.de/irclogs/freenode/ | 02:46 |
fsmithred | and I just posted on your thread again | 02:46 |
fsmithred | use --type luks1 in the format command | 02:47 |
waynedpj | fsmithred: i had been checking for that after reading about GRUB not supporting the new default in cryptsetup LUKS2. maybe the cryptsetup installed was old enough to still use LUKS1 but i never got stuck at the GRUB prompt, always after. | 02:55 |
waynedpj | BTW do i need to file a big about the missing tools in the initramfs? | 02:56 |
fsmithred | this is the first time I have seen cryptsetup missing in initramfs | 02:56 |
waynedpj | big->bug | 02:57 |
fsmithred | and I've done a few encrypted installs wtih beowulf | 02:57 |
waynedpj | wait, is beowulf or ceres testing? | 02:57 |
fsmithred | neither | 02:57 |
fsmithred | it's buster | 02:57 |
fsmithred | we are behind debian on releases | 02:58 |
waynedpj | on Devuan? i thought the Toy names were for Debian? | 02:58 |
fsmithred | yeah, "Where no toy has gone before." was an early devuan slogan | 02:58 |
fsmithred | we are beowulf (minor planet names) | 02:58 |
waynedpj | LOL :) | 02:58 |
waynedpj | OK, so if i want to change my Devuan install to be a rolling release based on testing, i should change my sources to use ceres? | 02:59 |
fsmithred | beowulf is still testing, but 95% of the packages are unchanged from debian | 02:59 |
fsmithred | and beowulf pulls from buster, which is stable | 02:59 |
fsmithred | this is why we tell people to use codenames in sources.list and not "stable" or "testing" | 03:00 |
waynedpj | so beowulf is testing? sorry for all the ?s, a bit confused | 03:00 |
golinux | Just use release names an you won't bork your system | 03:01 |
fsmithred | yes, beowulf is testing because we haven't relased it yet | 03:01 |
waynedpj | oh, because the Debian page for changing to rolling testing release says to use either codename or testing https://wiki.debian.org/DebianTesting | 03:01 |
fsmithred | for debian, that works | 03:01 |
waynedpj | but eventually i would use testing, once things settle, to have an indefinite rolling release based on testing? | 03:02 |
fsmithred | but if you use testing in devuan right now, you'll get a mix of packages from debian bullseye and devuan beowulf | 03:02 |
fsmithred | and beowulf expects packages from buster | 03:02 |
fsmithred | is compiled from tools that are in buster | 03:02 |
waynedpj | OK, so no testing in the short term for Devuan, codenames only .. unfortunately from this page https://devuan.org/os/releases since ascii is now stable i assumed the ceres was testing and now my system is doing an apt upgrade .. to unstable? | 03:04 |
fsmithred | ceres is sid (unstable) | 03:05 |
golinux | Not in the long term either because our release dates will never be aligned | 03:05 |
waynedpj | and ceres will always be unstable, like sid for Debian? | 03:05 |
golinux | ceres/sid would be the only constant. | 03:06 |
golinux | But then systemd stuff might slip in. | 03:06 |
fsmithred | yeah, you might be able to upgrade all the way to ceres if you mixed up your system | 03:06 |
fsmithred | you're gonna reinstall anyway, right? | 03:07 |
waynedpj | i am trying to get a rolling release on Devuan testing so i messed up. any chance i can change sources to be beowulf and go back to testing? | 03:07 |
fsmithred | or is there actual data on this system? | 03:07 |
fsmithred | yeah | 03:07 |
fsmithred | I have to remember how to do it | 03:07 |
fsmithred | pin beowulf to 1001 priority | 03:08 |
waynedpj | no data but i was hoping to not reinstall. however if it is easier then i can just do the live installer again. | 03:08 |
fsmithred | you can boot it ok? | 03:09 |
waynedpj | OK thanks fsmithred i will try that to get back to beowulf. | 03:09 |
fsmithred | see man apt_preferences for information on pinning | 03:09 |
waynedpj | yes, i could boot after i chrooted in and 1) apt upgraded 2) changed /etc/cryptsetup-initramfs/conf-hook to have CRYPTSETUP=y | 03:11 |
fsmithred | I don't understand why I didn't get cryptsetup in the initramfs. | 03:12 |
waynedpj | though you mentioned some other things potentially missing before e.g. /run/udev /run/cryptsetup | 03:12 |
fsmithred | yeah | 03:12 |
waynedpj | ditto, i thought that it would be added automagically with the encrypted partition | 03:12 |
waynedpj | oh, and obviously i rebuilt the initramfs after doing all that | 03:13 |
fsmithred | it's supposed to be automatic if you need it | 03:13 |
fsmithred | do you know for sure that you're using luks type1? | 03:14 |
waynedpj | so to be clear, if i would like a rolling Devuan release based on testing indefinitely right now i cannot do that since i have to use codenames? | 03:15 |
waynedpj | yes, i checked with luksDump | 03:15 |
fsmithred | it would be difficult to do a rolling devuan | 03:15 |
waynedpj | in the short term or indefinitely? | 03:16 |
fsmithred | rolling release in debian works because new stuff is always moving into unstable and then to testing | 03:16 |
fsmithred | we're scrambling to pull our shit together | 03:16 |
fsmithred | small team, so stuff happens at odd intervals | 03:17 |
fsmithred | and we're alway behind (but catching up) | 03:17 |
fsmithred | there are a few people who run ceres | 03:17 |
waynedpj | oh i did not know there were problems with the project, sorry to hear. | 03:18 |
fsmithred | I think you need to be selective about what you install | 03:18 |
fsmithred | main problem is that we're tiny compared to debian in number of devs | 03:18 |
fsmithred | if you run ceres, you will be getting new stuff, but anything that depends on systemd (any of the stuff we re-package) will not be prompt | 03:19 |
fsmithred | but like I said, we're catching up. jessie was 2 years behind debian, ascii was a year and beowulf is about 6 months behind. | 03:21 |
waynedpj | i assume that it is difficult taking Debian packages and removing systemd, not something easily automated? | 03:21 |
fsmithred | no | 03:21 |
fsmithred | not easily automated. Takes eyes on code. | 03:22 |
waynedpj | of course. well the works is greatly appreciated. do you feel that the project has the momentum and numbers to thrive? | 03:22 |
fsmithred | and we have to be on the lookout for new deps | 03:22 |
fsmithred | I don't think we're going away any time soon. | 03:23 |
waynedpj | glad to hear it. for the little i know Devuan is a important beacon so to speak. | 03:24 |
fsmithred | first two years we had all people who were anti-systemd pretty much from the start | 03:24 |
waynedpj | well i will try not to keep taking your time! so basically i should stick with testing or better yet stable? even if i want to run a 5.x kernel for testing Btrfs swapfile support? | 03:24 |
waynedpj | and forget about rolling release? | 03:25 |
fsmithred | next two years is a constant influx of people who were content to go along with the new default until they used it for some time | 03:25 |
fsmithred | you can get some stuff from backports | 03:25 |
fsmithred | I would go with beowulf now. Almost everything is done for it. | 03:26 |
mason | golinux, fsmithred: initial netboot notes are on DNG now. I still need to figure out the config to not look for a CD, but to instead use network mirrors exclusively, but this seems useful for tonight. | 03:26 |
waynedpj | if there are more people getting frustrated with systemd, hopefully they will make their way to Devuan. | 03:26 |
waynedpj | fsmithred: thanks again. i will see if i can get this ceres install back to beowulf and set up the backports. | 03:28 |
waynedpj | and should i file any bugs regarding the initramfs missing pieces? | 03:28 |
fsmithred | good luck | 03:28 |
fsmithred | not sure | 03:28 |
fsmithred | hang on a sec | 03:29 |
fsmithred | I think it would be a debian bug | 03:29 |
mason | waynedpj: My latest mode, I stuff kernel and initramfs into my ESP, don't use a bootloader at all, stub-load Linux, and have up to date crypto stuff in the initramfs. I also use a ZFS root, but that's incidental. | 03:29 |
mason | waynedpj: So, you can skip right over GRUB if it annoys you. You can also do this sort of set-up with lilo or elilo. | 03:30 |
mason | I've never much liked grub. | 03:30 |
mason | (And... I run my ESP on metadata=1.0 MD-RAID1 because I can.) | 03:31 |
mason | teaser: efibootmgr -c -d /dev/sda -L devuan0 -l '\EFI\devuan\vmlinuz' -u 'boot=zfs root=tank/ROOT/default initrd=\EFI\devuan\initrd.img | 03:32 |
fsmithred | waynedpj, I'm reading this now: https://lists.debian.org/debian-boot/2019/02/msg00100.html | 03:35 |
mason | fsmithred: Might be worth pointing waynedpj to the cryptsetup patches before he hits that issue. | 03:38 |
mason | Anyway, g'night all. o/ | 03:38 |
fsmithred | g'night | 03:38 |
fsmithred | waynedpj, do you get long delays on shutdown of the encrypted root? | 03:40 |
waynedpj | yes i believe so, though i have not been running often obviously to try it out. | 03:44 |
fsmithred | there's a fix for it | 03:44 |
fsmithred | there are a couple of threads about encrypted lvm on the forum | 03:45 |
fsmithred | hit me up later if you can't find it | 03:46 |
fsmithred | can't look right now | 03:46 |
waynedpj | @mason: thank you but honestly i am not exactly sure what you are talking about .. i have been out of the loop for a while ;) and this first machine on which i am trying out Devuan is BIOS so i assume the ESP trick will not work. but thanks, something to look into | 03:46 |
waynedpj | OK, though i am not using LVM, just Btrfs for everything. | 03:46 |
waynedpj | thanks. | 03:46 |
fsmithred | it's a cryptsetup bug | 03:47 |
waynedpj | OK, will take a look | 03:49 |
waynedpj | @mason: PS amazingly GRUB has worked a treat for all the different encryption and fs combos that i have tried. | 03:50 |
ukine | o/ | 08:52 |
ukine | apologies i'm just up too late.. | 08:55 |
tuxd3v | mrpfilser, that could hapen if you have 2 diferent cluster types.. | 09:00 |
tuxd3v | imagine situation were you have a 2x cortex a72 and a 4x cortex a53.. that could hapen... | 09:01 |
tuxd3v | the solution? | 09:01 |
tuxd3v | compile for cortex a53 | 09:01 |
tuxd3v | or compile for the clusters.. | 09:01 |
tuxd3v | tune=cortex-a72.cortexa-53 | 09:02 |
tuxd3v | but later if you use this binaries in a cortex a53 only machine, I don't know if could be there some problems.. | 09:02 |
tuxd3v | its a question of testing.. | 09:02 |
tuxd3v | tune='cortex-a72.cortex-a53' | 09:05 |
tuxd3v | or | 09:05 |
tuxd3v | tune='cortexa-53' | 09:05 |
testest | hi all. can anyone help me enabling "some features" in the kernel | 18:19 |
testest | or a tip to a guide | 18:19 |
testest | eudev_3.2.9-3_amd64.deb trying to install | 18:19 |
testest | on 5.4.0-2-amd64 | 18:20 |
testest | Since release 198, udev requires support for the following features in the running kernel: - inotify(2) (CONFIG_INOTIFY_USER) - signalfd(2) (CONFIG_SIGNALFD) - accept4(2) - open_by_handle_at(2) (CONFIG_FHANDLE) - timerfd_create(2) (CONFIG_TIMERFD) - epoll_create(2) (CONFIG_EPOLL) | 18:21 |
testest | i get these | 18:21 |
testest | help appreciated | 18:22 |
fsmithred | testest, what is the problem? Did you get an error message? (don't post a bunch of lines at once. - paste it somewhere else) | 19:08 |
fsmithred | # grep INOTIFY /boot/config-5.4.0-2-amd64 | 19:37 |
fsmithred | CONFIG_INOTIFY_USER=y | 19:37 |
fsmithred | # grep SIGNALFD /boot/config-5.4.0-2-amd64 | 19:37 |
fsmithred | CONFIG_SIGNALFD=y | 19:37 |
testest | fsmithred: thanks | 19:43 |
premoboss | hello people. i need to create a video presentation with floating text from bottom to top. i look around and in fount only openshot that provide it (using blender in background) but, eve in for few lines, it take OURS to complete the rendering. some suggestion i can have here about an alternative? thanks guys. | 19:50 |
premoboss | OURS = HOURS | 19:51 |
testest | kdenlive, shotcut, pitivi | 19:54 |
testest | olive video editor | 19:55 |
testest | the rest i would have to find old bookmarks | 19:55 |
testest | cinelerra | 19:55 |
testest | flowblade | 19:55 |
testest | vidiot | 19:55 |
testest | lives | 19:56 |
testest | auteur | 19:56 |
testest | not sure how many devuan has in repos | 19:56 |
testest | lumiera | 19:57 |
testest | there was one really professional "looking" one but i cant remember | 19:58 |
premoboss | testest, devuan has in repository wuite alla of them. | 19:58 |
testest | oh ncice | 19:58 |
testest | nice* | 19:58 |
premoboss | i giat niit "sliding" text from botton to top, no nnd proferssional. | 19:58 |
premoboss | kdei tested, is raw (you have to compopsite different effect to get it. also, if you have large text box to scroll, iti s so slow to manage it when you are doinf modification to text. | 19:59 |
testest | fsmithred: sorry to bother you again, but what if all of the above mentioned variables are already marked with =y, automatically generated with "=y" | 20:05 |
fsmithred | testest, I don't understand your question | 20:06 |
fsmithred | anything marked with y is in the kernel | 20:06 |
fsmithred | anything marked with m is a module that can be loaded | 20:06 |
testest | https://pastebin.com/f0wECR1F | 20:11 |
testest | all of the mentioned either kernel modules or variables are loaded and marked i think, that is why i am a bit perplexed, i have been checking out some webpages and somewhere it is mentioned that first one has to install a new kernel and then update the eudev package | 20:12 |
testest | somewhere there is even a mention relating to these exact errors a reinstall is needed | 20:13 |
testest | first time for me though | 20:13 |
fsmithred | that's weird. I just installed that version of eudev about a half hour ago, and I didn't get that error | 20:13 |
testest | 0_o | 20:14 |
fsmithred | I installed with apt, and I also install libeudev1 at the same time | 20:14 |
testest | thanks anyway | 20:14 |
fsmithred | yeah, I upgraded a beowulf to ceres and eudev, libeudev1 were held back | 20:14 |
fsmithred | so then I ran the upgrade again and they installed | 20:14 |
fsmithred | but I'm getting errors on mkinitramfs | 20:15 |
fsmithred | try installing libeudev1 at the same time as eudev | 20:18 |
testest | only option i got was apt-get -f install or apt --fix-broken install, apt gave me output that libeudev is actually needed to install eudev while apt-get did not ouput the dependancy | 20:19 |
testest | ill try manually | 20:20 |
testest | getting a deb package somewhere | 20:20 |
testest | thanks for the tip | 20:20 |
fsmithred | that should be in our repo | 20:20 |
fsmithred | testest, http://pkgmaster.devuan.org/devuan/pool/main/e/eudev/ | 20:21 |
testest | sweet | 20:23 |
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