| tom_work | How can I get a more recent version of Wireshark on Devuan ASCII? | 00:54 |
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| tom_work | I didn't see anything on the ascii-backports repo, however I am not very familiar searching alt repos with apt | 00:55 |
| tom_work | perhaps i might have missed something | 00:55 |
| xrogaan | download from their website | 01:07 |
| xrogaan | might have a appimage or something. | 01:07 |
| gnarface | tom_work: yea it's not backported, you'd have to backport it yourself | 01:07 |
| tom_work | ok | 01:07 |
| gnarface | a 3rd party package might work but at your own risk | 01:08 |
| tom_work | do you know if I /need/ to backport the whole program or can I just get up-to-date protocol decoders? | 01:08 |
| gnarface | that i don't know either, sorry. you'd have to consult the wireshark documentation | 01:08 |
| tom_work | gnarface, doesn't look like wireshark has official linux binaries. only windows and apple | 01:08 |
| gnarface | well that's whack | 01:08 |
| tom_work | i'm not sure how well they are separated or not | 01:09 |
| gnarface | tom_work: did you check to make sure the updated protocol decoders weren't already patched into the ascii version? | 01:09 |
| gnarface | sometimes debian backports patches | 01:09 |
| tom_work | the version of wireshark in ascii can't decode WireGuard properly | 01:09 |
| tom_work | it thinks it's malformed DCRPC | 01:09 |
| gnarface | tom_work: ok, just wanted to make sure you actually tested instead of just looking at the package version and assuming it wouldn't work | 01:09 |
| tom_work | hmm. would apt search -t ascii-backports wireshark show it? | 01:10 |
| gnarface | it would if it was present | 01:10 |
| gnarface | https://pkginfo.devuan.org/cgi-bin/d1pkgweb-query?search=wireshark&release=ascii | 01:10 |
| gnarface | it would show up here too | 01:10 |
| tom_work | no I'm not just guessing based on versions. I'm at the road with my laptop and trying to make sure I'm not leaking anything over public wifi | 01:11 |
| tom_work | wireshark isn't seeing wireguard at all | 01:11 |
| tom_work | well, it's seeing it just not decoding it properly | 01:11 |
| gnarface | well, you can attempt to backport a version from beowulf, ceres, or the upstream source | 01:11 |
| gnarface | or you could just install beowulf in a chroot and try it from within there | 01:12 |
| tom_work | yeah looks like i'm all patched up to devuan | 01:12 |
| tom_work | probably more than I can do right now on the road, perhaps I'll look into that later | 01:12 |
| tom_work | thanks for your help | 01:12 |
| gnarface | installing the beowulf version or a 3rd party package directly into ascii *might* work but is just strongly advised against because it could introduce stability problems or sneaky long-term package dependency corruptions (the type that don't rear their ugly heads until the next time you're doing a dist-upgrade) | 01:13 |
| gnarface | so that might be a solution in a pinch, but i'd recommend making a full backup first | 01:13 |
| tom_work | I'll probably want to make a properly bpo whe ni get back home | 01:15 |
| tom_work | I wish I understood the debian packaging system a little better so that I could share my backports with the rest of Devuan users | 01:16 |
| tom_work | via upstreaming them | 01:16 |
| tom_work | currently I can make unsigned bpos and they work fine enough | 01:17 |
| tom_work | I tried bpoing mariadb but quickly realized a massive metapackage like that was probably over my head | 01:17 |
| tom_work | I've currently been writing a lot of ebuilds | 01:17 |
| gnarface | yea, sometimes backporting isn't worth it if you have to backport a ton of dependencies that are core OS components | 01:19 |
| gnarface | sometimes, by the time you have backported everything you need to make it work, you might as well have just upgraded to the next release | 01:19 |
| gnarface | i've been forced to do that once or twice at the behest of employers but it wouldn't be my first choice either | 01:20 |
| fsmithred | what's up with sound in firefox-esr in beowulf? It was working yesterday or the day before and now I have no sound in ff. Sound works in audacious. I did not upgrade ff or anything else. If I add apulse, now sound works. Can they change the need for pulse remotely in a running browser? FTR I was using 68.3.0esr-1~deb10u1 | 02:48 |
| fsmithred | I upgraded to 68.4.whatever and it's the same. I now need apulse. | 02:48 |
| fluffywolf | alsa is a configure option, so I doubt it got turned off randomly. do you have something else holding the alsa device open? firefox does a bad job sharing sound devices. | 02:49 |
| fsmithred | something might be stuck open | 02:50 |
| fluffywolf | also, make sure pulse didn't get installed without you asking for it. for example, gimp drags in it these days, because of excessive dependencies. heh. | 02:50 |
| fluffywolf | ps ax | grep pulse. heh. | 02:50 |
| fsmithred | nope. just libpulse installed | 02:51 |
| fsmithred | and apulse now | 02:51 |
| fluffywolf | it's theoretically possibly mozilla could disable alsa through one the backdoors ("studies", etc), but it seems unlikely they'd do so like that. | 02:53 |
| fluffywolf | 60-esr is working fine here. listening to https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BUxUSDhdrYc right now to test. | 02:53 |
| fsmithred | I wish they'd add audio device settings like every other program that plays audio has. | 02:54 |
| fsmithred | I was watching youtube a couple days ago, no problem. | 02:54 |
| fluffywolf | they did add one. it's called "use pulse or fuck off". oh wait, that's not a setting... | 02:54 |
| fsmithred | lol | 02:54 |
| fluffywolf | lsof /dev/snd/* show anything unexpected? | 02:56 |
| fsmithred | just volumeicon | 02:57 |
| fluffywolf | hrmm | 02:57 |
| fluffywolf | not finding anything googling... | 02:58 |
| mrpfilser | that is not unusual nowadays | 02:59 |
| fluffywolf | no mention in the debian changelogs of disabling alsa lately... also, there's a newer version with security fixes. | 03:02 |
| fsmithred | yeah, I got the latest and it acts the same. | 03:04 |
| fsmithred | I'll test it again whenever I reboot. | 03:05 |
| * fluffywolf would have figured auxy had one of those .50 BMG wristbreakers or something equally silly. | 03:09 | |
| fluffywolf | grr, wrong window | 03:09 |
| mrpfilser | firefox broken here so i dropped it | 03:11 |
| mrpfilser | alsa still works | 03:12 |
| fsmithred | palemoon works | 03:22 |
| mason | fsmithred: I'll try 68.4.1esr-1~deb10u1 on Beowulf with ALSA in just a moment - got one in the other room. | 03:24 |
| fsmithred | thanks | 03:24 |
| fluffywolf | I haven't upgraded anything to beowulf yet... waiting until it's less-likely to break. and I don't have the bandwidth until at least 2/21 anyway... | 03:25 |
| fluffywolf | (used too much of my data up this week already) | 03:25 |
| mason | fsmithred: Yep, audio works in Firefox, although all I can say for sure is that Banghra Empire dance videos on YouTube produce audio. Didn't try anything else. | 03:26 |
| mason | fsmithred: Double-check that pesky mute in alsamixer...? | 03:26 |
| fsmithred | no, I tested by playing audio in audacious | 03:26 |
| mason | ah, good point | 03:26 |
| mrpfilser | bleh, palemoon build barfing with -O3 | 03:36 |
| tuxd3v | hello all, | 04:10 |
| tuxd3v | Does somebody here have a RaspberryPi4? | 04:11 |
| xrogaan | fsmithred: surround sound with firefox is being forwarded to specific channels, so if you have a headphone with card settings set as 5.1, you'll get no sound. | 04:54 |
| xrogaan | Sends some audio to the front speaker, so stereo doesn't work. | 04:54 |
| xrogaan | It only happens with firefox on my end. | 04:54 |
| fluffywolf | I've never had that problem, but I only use stereo... | 04:55 |
| xrogaan | take the same video, play it through mplayer, and I have audio just fine. | 04:55 |
| xrogaan | what does pavucontrol say? | 04:56 |
| xrogaan | if you're using pulseaudio | 04:56 |
| fluffywolf | the whole point is he's not using pulse. | 04:56 |
| xrogaan | oh, well, IDK then :) | 04:57 |
| mrpfilser | browsers playing media. cats and dogs sleeping together.. | 06:19 |
| mrpfilser | a browser is a bad thing to play video or audio | 06:20 |
| xrogaan | let me introduce you to electron | 07:02 |
| onefang | Which is much bigger than an electron, maybe it should be renamed to lumpoflead? | 07:03 |
| mrpfilser | you can write a book in GIMP too | 07:40 |
| frabbit | hi. anyone has a good suggestion for a cheap printer and scanner combo? | 10:59 |
| mrpfilser | no | 11:00 |
| frabbit | all in one device i mean | 11:00 |
| frabbit | mrpfilser: u dont use any? | 11:03 |
| mrpfilser | mine were stolen | 11:03 |
| frabbit | mrpfilser: ok.. and u used to use it with devuan? | 11:04 |
| mrpfilser | no | 11:05 |
| ddude | no sry, i would try r/printers. i got good advices in the past | 11:05 |
| mrpfilser | cups did get better recently | 11:06 |
| mrpfilser | i don't know about sane | 11:06 |
| frabbit | ddude: ok but i need it to run under devuan | 11:06 |
| gnarface | cups runs under devuan | 11:07 |
| mrpfilser | if i catch someone stealing my things i will happily sink a knife into their heart and watch them die | 11:07 |
| gnarface | so does sane | 11:07 |
| gnarface | they use the same drivers as everything else | 11:07 |
| ddude | @frabbit everything that runs under debian should work here | 11:08 |
| frabbit | gnarface: yes i know but not all devices run under debian | 11:29 |
| frabbit | at least not with third party cartridges | 11:30 |
| frabbit | im not willing to buy those expensive printer vendor cartridges... | 11:35 |
| mrpfilser | hardware choices are pretty far removed from topicality | 13:12 |
| mrpfilser | and they depend on your personal needs and preferences which no-one else knows | 13:12 |
| mrpfilser | and there is nothing particular to devuan about hardware support | 13:13 |
| mrpfilser | who is op in devuan-arm and could they possibly allow unregged chatters there? | 13:14 |
| mrpfilser | i jus/2 | 13:29 |
| ddude | @frabbit there are CIS/CISS mods for some printers. and there are printers like epson ecotank where you dont need any cartridges | 14:24 |
| ddude | just fill in the pure ink | 14:25 |
| Wizzup | hi peeps, where can I find the repository with all the -dbg and -dbgsym packages? | 18:06 |
| Wizzup | I don't see it anywhere on pkgmaster | 18:08 |
| Wizzup | just added the debian repo instead... | 18:09 |
| fsmithred | Wizzup, don't put debian repos in sources.list. You should be able to get everything through devuan sources. | 18:28 |
| Wizzup | well, then please tell me how to. | 18:32 |
| Wizzup | I googled quite a bit and found nothing | 18:32 |
| Wizzup | and last time I touched the amprolla code was a while ago | 18:33 |
| fsmithred | apt-cache search <pattern> | 18:39 |
| fsmithred | to find package names | 18:39 |
| fsmithred | apt-get download <package> | 18:39 |
| fsmithred | or install instead of download | 18:39 |
| fsmithred | if you want to download through a web browser, then get devuan packages from devuan repo and the ones we don't change are at packages.debian.org | 18:40 |
| fsmithred | what are you looking for? | 18:41 |
| fsmithred | 'apt-cache search dbg' gives me 841 hits | 18:57 |
| mrpfilser | i don't find any matches for amprolla | 18:59 |
| * mrpfilser squints at Wizzup | 18:59 | |
| fsmithred | huh? | 19:00 |
| fsmithred | amprolla has not been packaged | 19:00 |
| mrpfilser | that explains it | 19:00 |
| fsmithred | but you can clone it and run it locally if you want. Aitor has done that for gnuinos. | 19:00 |
| mrpfilser | ah here is explanation https://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?id=3192 | 19:01 |
| Wizzup | fsmithred: ... | 19:02 |
| mrpfilser | i don't seem to be missing any debian packages, is amprolla working for me on devuan repo servers? | 19:02 |
| fsmithred | TL;DR - we don't have to keep 50,000 packages on our own servers | 19:02 |
| Wizzup | fsmithred: -dbgsym packages are not in standard components | 19:02 |
| mrpfilser | that's cool | 19:02 |
| fsmithred | Wizzup, what -dbg or -dbgsym package are you looking for? | 19:03 |
| Wizzup | libglib2.0-0-dbgsym | 19:04 |
| Wizzup | in beowulf | 19:05 |
| fsmithred | good, I'm in beowulf now | 19:05 |
| fsmithred | doesn't look like it exists | 19:06 |
| fsmithred | if it did, you would find it on a debian server. Note the absence of "+devuan" in the version. | 19:07 |
| fsmithred | and you would also be able to pull it in with apt from devuan sources | 19:07 |
| Wizzup | it does exist, in debian-debug | 19:09 |
| Wizzup | see deb http://deb.debian.org/debian-debug/ buster-debug main | 19:09 |
| Wizzup | bbiab | 19:09 |
| gnu_srs1 | Hello, I'm working on Debian buster to Devuan beowulf. Seems to be a lot of issues with dbus packages. | 22:22 |
| gnu_srs1 | It's not as simple as replace systemd-sysv with sysvinit-core (+reboot) before switching Debian repositories to Devuan... | 22:22 |
| gnu_srs1 | Anybody has more info? | 22:22 |
| fsmithred | gnu_srs1, yeah, gimme a sec | 22:23 |
| fsmithred | ok, there was a script attached to this message: https://lists.dyne.org/lurker/message/20200117.073758.39a21815.en.html | 22:26 |
| fsmithred | if you can't retrieve it in your mail, I can send it to you. | 22:27 |
| fsmithred | gnu_srs1, I'll just send it to you | 22:28 |
| GyrosGeier | gnu_srs1, that worked for me, problem is that buster already has a few packages that have hard dependencies on systemd | 22:49 |
| GyrosGeier | if you have one of those installed, then it's more involved | 22:49 |
| gnu_srs1 | fsmithred: GyrosGeier: Thanks :) I currently have these problems switching to sysvinit-core for a Buster installation: dbus, ssh, MTA hangs until timed-out. | 23:46 |
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