tuxd3v | strange.. | 00:02 |
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tuxd3v | https://pkgmaster.devuan.org/merged | 00:02 |
tuxd3v | works nice | 00:02 |
tuxd3v | :D | 00:02 |
tuxd3v | Iam trying to crossdebootstrap to arm64 on beowulf.. | 00:03 |
fsmithred | not all mirrors support https. If you want to use https in sources.list, pick a mirror that supports it. | 00:27 |
yeti | he's gone | 00:32 |
tuxd3v | does any one knows how to apply 'clearlooks-phenix-darkpurpy-theme' instead of 'clearlooks-phenix-cinnabar-theme' ? | 02:52 |
tuxd3v | the redhat colors are making me hangry :D | 02:53 |
tuxd3v | can I do it via update-alternatives? | 02:53 |
fsmithred | it's not the same red | 02:57 |
fsmithred | but anyway, go into the desktop settings to select a different theme | 02:58 |
fsmithred | in xfce it's under Appearance and Window Manager | 02:58 |
tuxd3v | I mean the desktop image, sorry | 02:59 |
tuxd3v | forget fsmithred ... yeah you right, I already found it :) | 03:00 |
tuxd3v | I made a stupid question sorry | 03:00 |
tuxd3v | I was already playing with synbolic links to alternatives and such loool | 03:01 |
tuxd3v | I know its not the same red, but its very bright | 03:02 |
tuxd3v | :) | 03:02 |
tuxd3v | I see very badly | 03:02 |
yeti | http://yeti.freeshell.org/tmp/seamlessflames.jpg <<< warm winter background (from an older upbbuntu SE) | 03:02 |
tuxd3v | have you guys ever experimented the Icon theme Plataro? | 03:03 |
tuxd3v | its awesome! | 03:03 |
fsmithred | tuxd3v, you like plataro because it's easy to see? | 03:08 |
MinceR | tango's more to my liking | 03:09 |
tuxd3v | well Plataro as a icon theme is very rectamgular for each icon | 03:10 |
tuxd3v | and its also beutifully made , yeah its easier to distinguish, between diferent type of things | 03:11 |
golinux | tuxd3v: I keep my monitor at 45 % brightness. | 03:11 |
* golinux prefers monochromatic themes | 03:12 | |
tuxd3v | golinux, now I know why it was so bright :) | 03:12 |
* fluffywolf finds golinux a rainbow sparkledog theme | 03:13 | |
tuxd3v | in fact we all should put bright at 50% because of radiationit really husrts but I believe that my display is close to 90% | 03:13 |
tuxd3v | lool | 03:13 |
fluffywolf | 50% on one monitor might be 150% of another... | 03:14 |
tuxd3v | don't know why, but I lost around 4 GB going from ascii to beowulf | 03:14 |
fluffywolf | for example, I keep this one at 100% and it's just right, while my other laptop with a 1000nit display is absurd at 100%... | 03:14 |
tuxd3v | fluffywolf, that is also true | 03:14 |
fsmithred | tuxd3v, something must be missing. Each release gets bigger. | 03:15 |
tuxd3v | I believe display manufacturers have a hiden contract with ophthalmologist doctors | 03:15 |
tuxd3v | :) | 03:15 |
tuxd3v | fsmithred, it could be | 03:16 |
tuxd3v | but 4 GB I think its a lot.. even tought that my dist-upgrade crashed on me... since I have done it in a very stupid way, in X11 :S | 03:16 |
tuxd3v | if I started doing it in console mode, I believe it woudn't | 03:17 |
fsmithred | 4gb is just about enough for a full desktop install | 03:17 |
tuxd3v | things that one sometimes need to pass to learn for next time..but when next time come...one..already forgot :| | 03:17 |
tuxd3v | I have around 1890 packages | 03:18 |
tuxd3v | but this is also not a metric since some are bigger than others.. | 03:19 |
tuxd3v | its not a good metric | 03:19 |
fsmithred | that's about 400 more than default xfce desktop install | 03:19 |
tuxd3v | So.. could it be that I left a lot of packages from ascii? | 03:19 |
tuxd3v | since it crashed, it could make sense | 03:20 |
tuxd3v | if I do a dist-upgrade again...does you think it will do the job? | 03:20 |
tuxd3v | maybe not :) | 03:20 |
fsmithred | I don't know. It's hard to install 4gb of stuff on top of a full install. I mean hard to find that many things to install. | 03:21 |
fsmithred | not hard to install them. | 03:21 |
tuxd3v | yeah, I got a message from apt-get saying that tons of packages were kept back, after crashing.. in next attempt..in console mode.. | 03:22 |
tuxd3v | and I created a file with all packages on it and apt-get install --reinstall on them | 03:23 |
fsmithred | oh, then you should repeate the dist-upgrade | 03:23 |
chillfan | try apt-get -f install then apt-get dist-upgrade | 03:23 |
chillfan | what are you upgrading from btw? | 03:23 |
tuxd3v | I was in ascii, but I have a strange x11 setup with a intel graphics and at same time with a Nvidia pcie graphics card | 03:24 |
chillfan | ah yeah, you probably need -f install then dist-upgrade if going to beowulf | 03:24 |
tuxd3v | I beliebve that this factor made x11crash on dist-upgrade, and since I was in x11, with no screen or nohup... my dist-upgrade may have died in the process lefting the system at midway | 03:25 |
tuxd3v | after that I tried in console mode, because no X, not even xserver | 03:26 |
tuxd3v | they were installed initially by hand | 03:26 |
tuxd3v | later apt returned a lot of packages that were kept back, and they were undreds of them | 03:26 |
tuxd3v | hundreds | 03:26 |
tuxd3v | with that list I made a script, and install --reinstall on them.. | 03:27 |
tuxd3v | I say this because I were with aroung 18GB free before and now I am with 13.5gb free | 03:27 |
tuxd3v | I am trying to justify the diference | 03:28 |
tuxd3v | chillfan, yes in the process I got broken packages, true | 03:29 |
gnarface | tuxd3v: you were trying to upgrade from ascii to beowulf? | 03:29 |
tuxd3v | gnarface, yes | 03:29 |
tuxd3v | I was on ascii 2.1 | 03:30 |
gnarface | well, recommends can bloat the sysytem out a lot if you don't block them | 03:30 |
tuxd3v | I tried it yesterday in a old laptop and everything went smoth | 03:30 |
gnarface | you might have packages in /var/cache/apt/ still too | 03:30 |
fsmithred | yeah, clean the cache | 03:30 |
fsmithred | and after finishing dist-upgrade, you probably need to autoremove | 03:31 |
gnarface | oh, yea also autoremoves | 03:31 |
gnarface | but just getting texlive/latex installed accidentally as a recommend can eat up a bunch of space on it's own | 03:31 |
fsmithred | and then deborphan and aptitude purge ~c | 03:31 |
gnarface | and dev tools take up a lot of space too - some of which you would need to upgrade nvidia drivers, but those would probably pull in way more that aren't needed | 03:32 |
gnarface | if it's a derailed upgrade with broken packages though, i'd expect you also still have a lot of downloaded packages that haven't completed install, and a lot of old stuff still duplicating it | 03:33 |
gnarface | but some of the window managers got a lot bigger too | 03:34 |
gnarface | no one by enough to account for that much space on it's own... but if you have a few big ones installed concurrently it could get out of hand fast | 03:34 |
gnarface | so like if you have kde and gnome both installed, make sure you ditch the one you're not using (then to "apt-get --purge autoremove" again after that) | 03:35 |
tuxd3v | I have lots of liboost packages that I don't know why I need them | 03:38 |
tuxd3v | some 30 packages or so.. | 03:38 |
fsmithred | aptitude why <package> | 03:38 |
tuxd3v | liboost -> libboost | 03:38 |
tuxd3v | with only this: | 03:57 |
tuxd3v | https://paste2.org/exmMDKtN | 03:57 |
tuxd3v | after a apt-get update | 03:57 |
tuxd3v | apt-get upgrade | 03:57 |
tuxd3v | the system showed me lots ofpackages | 03:57 |
tuxd3v | and I autormoved them :D | 03:57 |
tuxd3v | 1GB space free | 03:57 |
tuxd3v | :) | 03:57 |
tuxd3v | but will not the system work..only a way to see that.. | 03:58 |
tuxd3v | :D | 03:58 |
tuxd3v | well, it seems at leat it survived a reboot :) | 04:00 |
tuxd3v | for sure I still have packages at midway | 04:05 |
tuxd3v | why should I need 'libqt4-network' if I am in xfce? | 04:07 |
tuxd3v | :) | 04:07 |
tuxd3v | to see my userspace nfs3 shares I still need to issue as root 'mount -o remount -a' | 04:09 |
tuxd3v | it doesn't mount them | 04:09 |
tuxd3v | also the swap is not mounted automatically | 04:09 |
tuxd3v | I need to issue 'swapon -a' | 04:10 |
tuxd3v | this is already something I knew before because in ARMhf or arm64 when I have done migrations from ascii to beowulf, I lost the auto mount for swap | 04:10 |
gnarface | tuxd3v: you need to edit your fstab | 04:10 |
tuxd3v | even if you add 'sw' to fstab | 04:11 |
tuxd3v | it still doesn't mount them.. | 04:11 |
gnarface | weird | 04:11 |
tuxd3v | its a nown issue at least for me.. | 04:11 |
gnarface | did the kernel get updated, or are you still running the ascii one? | 04:11 |
tuxd3v | https://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?id=3147 | 04:12 |
tuxd3v | https://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?id=3155 | 04:12 |
tuxd3v | still haven't found a way to automatically bring swap on | 04:13 |
tuxd3v | I believe I already spoke also with CenturionDan, about this | 04:13 |
tuxd3v | but no clue | 04:13 |
tuxd3v | 'sw' directive in /etc/fstab doesn't mount them | 04:14 |
tuxd3v | I don't know if this also happens when swap is harddisk based | 04:14 |
tuxd3v | or only when it is ramfs based.. | 04:14 |
tuxd3v | but is ascii, ramfs come up automatically at boot time.. | 04:15 |
tuxd3v | gnarface, I updated the kernel to 4.19 | 04:15 |
tuxd3v | I still have the 4.9..just in case :D | 04:15 |
tuxd3v | and I still need to update the kernel driver for the nvidia card | 04:17 |
tuxd3v | I am thinking in moving only to it, and no more dual graphic stacks | 04:17 |
tuxd3v | but with this update come libreoffice, and Kicad, which per se it uses a lot of space.. | 04:18 |
yeti | look for swapon in /etc/init.d/mountall.sh | 04:23 |
yeti | aaaaand /etc/init.d/checkroot.sh | 04:24 |
tuxd3v | yeti, well thanks | 04:29 |
tuxd3v | I indeed have already looked at the first, but I failed to see were that var 'NOSWAP' comes from :( | 04:30 |
tuxd3v | https://paste2.org/IsbcIEzK | 04:30 |
tuxd3v | in fstab maybe could be that it is not parsing, or ignoring the '/dev/zram?' devices | 04:32 |
tuxd3v | because in fact they are not real devices.. | 04:32 |
tuxd3v | https://paste2.org/05gsOVwK | 04:33 |
gnarface | is there a kernel module for that? maybe it's not loading early enough? | 04:36 |
yeti | sure they are devices | 04:40 |
yeti | the module theory at least applies on some of teh systems I have running | 04:40 |
yeti | but he's red now | 04:41 |
yeti | but what do I know... I silly still kernel4.x.y user... :-P | 04:43 |
yeti | moar T | 04:43 |
tuxd3v | yeti, NOSWAP is defined in '/lib/init/vars.sh' | 04:57 |
tuxd3v | and sources by '/etc/init.d/checkroot.sh' :) | 04:59 |
tuxd3v | but I don't know why it gets NOSWAP=yes | 05:00 |
tuxd3v | but even changing it dosn't show the swap :( | 05:00 |
rrq | are the zram? formatted? | 05:01 |
tuxd3v | ho I forgot... swap is created via eudev :S | 06:08 |
tuxd3v | maybe it hasn't run went the scripts are called.. | 06:08 |
tuxd3v | yeti, '/etc/init.d/checkroot.sh start' or '/etc/init.d/mountall.sh start' activate zram swap | 06:09 |
tuxd3v | but............... | 06:09 |
tuxd3v | in '/lib/init/mount-functions.sh' there are no option to parse FSTAB with relation to '/dev/zram?' | 06:09 |
tuxd3v | so I created a entry | 06:10 |
tuxd3v | /dev/zram*) | 06:10 |
tuxd3v | swap_on_zram=yes | 06:10 |
tuxd3v | before | 06:11 |
tuxd3v | /dev/*) | 06:11 |
tuxd3v | but... running '/etc/init.d/checkroot.sh start' or '/etc/init.d/mountall.sh start' by hand mounts swap | 06:11 |
tuxd3v | automatically don't, but on ascii yes it is mounted.. | 06:11 |
tuxd3v | don't ask me why.. | 06:13 |
fling | Which package for winetricks? | 11:31 |
fling | or is ascii too old for it? | 11:31 |
debdog | it's just a script, just get it directly and be up to date https://wiki.winehq.org/Winetricks#Getting_winetricks | 11:33 |
fling | debdog: needed to add more sources to apt | 11:36 |
fling | will not download random links as it will not get the deps | 11:36 |
debdog | in that case you prolly want the package "winetricks" | 11:37 |
fling | installed! thanks | 11:40 |
fling | should I use ascii? | 11:41 |
debdog | as in ascii vs. beowulf? | 11:44 |
fling | maybe, idk what beowulf is | 11:45 |
fling | I have some random debians here and there I would like to convert to devuan | 11:46 |
gnarface | in general you should use ascii until beowulf is declared stable, but if you plan to play games with wine that might change things depending on the game | 11:46 |
gnarface | (and the wine version) | 11:46 |
debdog | beowulf is ascii's not yet but almost stable successor | 11:46 |
fling | Ok. Is there a good guide to read about the conversion? | 11:47 |
fling | I have snapshots and everything, can always go back. | 11:47 |
gnarface | it's basically the same as going from a debian stable to testing release, only the names are different | 11:48 |
fling | I have no idea, need a guide to read. | 11:55 |
debdog | along these lines: https://devuan.org/os/documentation/dev1fanboy/upgrade-to-ascii just replace ascii with beowulf | 12:00 |
debdog | and the devuan-keyring step can be omitted | 12:02 |
gnu_srs1 | Devuan ASCII corresponds to Debian Stretch (oldstable) and Devuan Beowulf corresponds to Debian Buster (stable). | 12:02 |
gnu_srs1 | And Devuan Chimaera corresponds to Debian Bullseye (testing). | 12:03 |
gnu_srs1 | For Devuan relaeses, see: https://devuan.org/os/releases | 12:04 |
fling | But I wanted to switch from debian hmm. | 12:04 |
gnu_srs1 | fling: From Debian ??? to Devuan ??? | 12:05 |
debdog | fling: you could have said so earlier | 12:05 |
gnu_srs1 | From Debian Buster to Devuan Beowulf there is a script available. | 12:06 |
gnu_srs1 | From Debian Stretch you should definitely go via Devuan ASCII to Devuan Beowulf. | 12:08 |
fling | < fling> I have some random debians here and there I would like to convert to devuan | 12:11 |
fling | ^ 20 minuts ago ;P | 12:11 |
djph | hi fling | 12:13 |
fling | djph: Hello. | 12:13 |
debdog | fling: ahh, I had no clue what you meant by that | 12:24 |
fling | gnu_srs1: do you have a link to the script? | 12:30 |
gnu_srs1 | fling: https://paste.debian.net/1129253/ There are some patches to it see: https://lists.dyne.org/lurker/message/20200203.104820.71c4a34c.en.html | 12:47 |
gnu_srs1 | The whole email thread starts at: https://lists.dyne.org/lurker/thread/20200203.104820.71c4a34c.en.html | 12:48 |
fling | than ks | 12:55 |
phaoost | looks like libgcc_s.so.1 issue has been fixed with the recent cryptsetup update in ceres: ```~# lsinitramfs /boot/initrd.img-5.4.0-3-amd64 |grep libgcc_s.so.1 | 13:06 |
phaoost | usr/lib/libgcc_s.so.1 | 13:06 |
phaoost | usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libgcc_s.so.1``` | 13:06 |
fling | I got wine-1.8.7 and winetricks-20170101 on ascii :P | 13:18 |
debdog | you can have more recent versions by adding the winehq repo to your sources.list https://wiki.winehq.org/Debian (for ascii use stretch repo) | 13:22 |
fling | I'm trying to upgrade to beowulf | 13:23 |
debdog | that contains wine 4.0 | 13:24 |
fling | Is it good? | 13:24 |
debdog | what? | 13:24 |
fling | the wine | 13:24 |
debdog | well, it's more modern than 1.8 | 13:25 |
debdog | but I usually use the winehq repo ones | 13:25 |
fling | Then I will just try it. | 13:25 |
djph | I'll have a nice Bordea... ohhhh you aren't talking about that kind :| | 13:25 |
d1fb | I'll take the house white, regardless what kind you're talking about ;) | 13:30 |
fling | something went wrong, dpkg errored out | 13:39 |
fling | I rolled it back, trying again | 13:39 |
gour | fling: i'm on ceres and installed wine from winehq for buster...and it works | 13:51 |
fling | hmm it shuts down on reboot for some reason | 14:36 |
fling | is my inittab bad? | 14:40 |
fling | Which package to install mono properly? mono-complete? | 14:42 |
onefang | Depends on what you mean by "properly". | 15:05 |
fling | onefang: for wine to like it | 15:08 |
onefang | I dunno about wine, sorry. | 15:08 |
onefang | Mono-complete will likely get you most of the way there, unless wine needs a recent version, then you might want to use the https://download.mono-project.com/repo/debian repository. I do OpenSim development, so I do the later, and add in things like mono-devel. | 15:12 |
debdog | fling: ideally do not do anything about mono and let wine handle it when creating a prefix (AKA say yes when it asks to fetch it) | 15:13 |
fling | it is not installing mono for some reason | 15:14 |
fling | but complaining afterwards | 15:14 |
fling | not even asking for it | 15:14 |
debdog | oh | 15:14 |
debdog | each wine version requires a special version of mono | 15:15 |
debdog | there are some hints to get it and where to put it: https://wiki.winehq.org/Mono | 15:16 |
buZz | lol https://github.com/p8952/bocker/blob/master/README.md | 17:22 |
buZz | > Docker implemented in around 100 lines of bash. | 17:22 |
golinux | Multiarch in beowulf was broken. Has it been fixed? | 17:25 |
golinux | It was making wine difficult in Beowulf | 17:25 |
fling | I'm trying to add winehq repo but it says could not find a distribution template for Debian/beowulf | 17:30 |
fling | Should I just edit it into sources list by hand? | 17:31 |
fling | which one eoan/disco/cosmic/bionic to use for beowulf? | 17:31 |
buZz | i think its still broken | 17:34 |
buZz | fling: all 4 are based on buster, it seems? weird | 17:34 |
buZz | https://askubuntu.com/questions/445487/what-debian-version-are-the-different-ubuntu-versions-based-on | 17:34 |
fling | should I just go i386? :P | 17:35 |
fling | golinux: if I don't need multiarch | 17:35 |
buZz | hmmmm | 17:36 |
golinux | I think it depends on what you want to run on wine.. My system is still i386 so I've never had to deal with this issue. | 17:36 |
buZz | seems i can install wine32 now? | 17:36 |
* buZz tries to get a game working | 17:37 | |
golinux | And I'm still on jessie. | 17:37 |
golinux | The wine bug is one reason I haven't gone to 64 bit. There are other reasons too, of course . . . | 17:38 |
James1138 | GoLinux: you maybe able to find a Multiarch package in here that will work in Beowulf - https://pkgs.org/download/multiarch-support | 17:38 |
fling | should I go ascii or beowulf for x86 wine? | 17:38 |
fling | I want the new one from winehq repo | 17:38 |
buZz | The following NEW packages will be installed: | 17:38 |
buZz | libwine:i386 wine32:i386 | 17:38 |
golinux | I think it works OK in ASCII. | 17:38 |
buZz | -seeeems- to work? | 17:38 |
fling | golinux: which package should I install from the winehq repo? | 17:39 |
fling | it is getting installed from devuan hmmm | 17:39 |
golinux | Install from the Devuan repo | 17:39 |
fling | ascii has wine-1 which is too old | 17:39 |
fling | beowulf has 4 :< | 17:39 |
golinux | I haven't set up a new wine in 5 years so I haven't a clue | 17:40 |
golinux | Sorry | 17:40 |
Zazem | Hi | 17:40 |
Zazem | I'm from ubuntu but I'm curius... what can you tell about devuan? | 17:42 |
Zazem | any? | 17:42 |
Zazem | hi :'( | 17:43 |
Zazem | holi, any advice to start with devuan? | 17:44 |
fluffywolf | install, enjoy. | 17:44 |
Zazem | .-. anyway, how hard its to run nividia free drivers there? | 17:45 |
buZz | alright \o/ | 17:48 |
buZz | wine32 works fine | 17:48 |
buZz | Zazem: they should work by default | 17:48 |
buZz | the proprietary ones take a tiny bit of effort | 17:48 |
Zazem | so, I think i'm gonna try it thancks | 17:49 |
buZz | \o | 17:56 |
buZz | woot | 17:57 |
golinux | buZz: Thanks for testing wine and confirming that it now works | 18:12 |
buZz | \o welcome | 18:28 |
nemo | so... if, hypothetically, I had to run an ubuntu kernel due to that stupid kernel module workplace requires | 21:45 |
nemo | would there be any likely surprises? could I set it it up in sources list to update automatically? | 21:45 |
fsmithred | putting in sources.list is a bad idea unless you do some careful pinning | 21:46 |
fsmithred | safer to download debs and install manually | 21:46 |
nemo | fsmithred: mm... | 21:54 |
nemo | fsmithred: was hoping to come up with something less manual | 21:54 |
nemo | fsmithred: for a few dev VMs around here that I wouldn't be looking after | 21:54 |
nemo | fsmithred: basically it's that stupid kernel module I mentioned before that isn't compiling since I switched to beowulf | 21:54 |
nemo | guess I should see if I can find someone who can help me figure out the build errors | 21:55 |
fsmithred | then you have to recompile every time there are security updates | 21:55 |
nemo | fsmithred: redeploying the kernel module wasn't a big deal | 21:55 |
nemo | if it fails, no loss anyway | 21:56 |
fsmithred | man apt_preferences | 21:56 |
nemo | been doing that with ascii already | 21:56 |
fsmithred | pin it so you only get the kernel | 21:56 |
DonkeyHotei | if it's not a binary-only module, ubuntu would use dkms | 21:56 |
nemo | DonkeyHotei: so... it's an awful .deb that bundles 4 .ko for various ubuntu versions. but it also has sources in the .deb that it falls back to using. I don't believe those sources are being maintained properly by them. but I could be wrong | 21:58 |
nemo | DonkeyHotei: for ascii I made some minor changes due to ubuntu enabling a kernel feature that debian didn't and got it running | 21:58 |
nemo | beowulf is blowing up on some change to a task structure or something | 21:58 |
nemo | DonkeyHotei: if you like, I can share it with you, if you wanna try compiling it ☺ | 22:00 |
nemo | would definitely appreciate any advice | 22:01 |
DonkeyHotei | you might be confined to some specific kernel versions | 22:01 |
nemo | well. it definitely has a bunch of kernel version checks | 22:01 |
nemo | but I don't see where I'm hitting a problematic one | 22:01 |
avbox | @fsmithred Could you already check falkon with libsystemd? I managed to install falkon with elogind, but then had problems with some sound cards (any longer recogniced) from intel compute sticks). If someone has any experience with elogind, falkon, mate and sound, any information is welcomed. | 23:30 |
fsmithred | avbox, I might be able to try in a little while | 23:34 |
avbox | fsmithred: Ok, thank you for the info. Have a good time. If you find something just put it here, I too will consult archived icr log. | 23:35 |
fsmithred | did you do anything to diagnose the sound problem? | 23:36 |
fsmithred | are you using pulseaudio or just alsa? | 23:36 |
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