DarwinElf | i don't need all that; just building software (as I said earlier) that doesn't use that... only need the OS, not the bind mounts... | 00:02 |
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gnarface | oh, well then you can skip them | 00:03 |
gnarface | i don't actually know for sure that you don't need them, but you might be right | 00:04 |
tuxd3v | what confuses me is that they indeed provide a kernel address to load, and they even specify a initrd address too, | 00:04 |
tuxd3v | but they forgot about fdt_addr_r | 00:04 |
DarwinElf | i know for sure; it's ZNC; nothing kernel-based | 00:04 |
tuxd3v | sorry all, wrong chanel :S | 00:04 |
gnu_srs1 | Hi again: Anybody running a lxc/docker/podman? container? Please, report the output of: cat /proc/1/sched | head -n 1 | 00:24 |
tuxd3v | hello, maybe I deleted the package, what is the default calculator that comes in devuan xfce desktop? | 00:37 |
gnarface | dunno but i like galculator | 00:43 |
specing | forget about these, run octave-cli in a drop-down terminal | 00:43 |
specing | best calculator ever | 00:44 |
gnarface | hmm, noted | 00:44 |
tuxd3v | gnarface, maybe its gcalculator that comes with xfce preinstalled | 01:00 |
tuxd3v | I don't really know | 01:00 |
tuxd3v | but I don't ind it in i386 image | 01:00 |
tuxd3v | I am migrating to i386 :) | 01:00 |
tuxd3v | only 4 GB Ram ddr2 | 01:01 |
tuxd3v | :) | 01:01 |
tuxd3v | specing, octave is really nice | 01:01 |
tuxd3v | but for terminal one can use just 'bc' | 01:01 |
gnarface | well i see the word "calculator" repeated 80 times in the ceres repo | 01:01 |
tuxd3v | bc <<<'2+3' | 01:02 |
tuxd3v | hehehe, I am still in ascii | 01:02 |
tuxd3v | and I wanted to install the default one :) | 01:02 |
tuxd3v | but I don't remember..I have here the old image I will reboot maybe tomorrow and check on it what is the default calculator app :) | 01:02 |
gnarface | i dunno what it is. all i can suggest is run this and see if one looks familiar: apt-cache search calculator | 01:03 |
gnarface | or maybe this will shorten the list without removing the one you're looking for: apt-cache search scientific.calculator | 01:03 |
tuxd3v | gnarface, yeah I run that, but I will confirm tomorrow when reboot | 01:05 |
tuxd3v | and then install it.. | 01:05 |
tuxd3v | :) | 01:05 |
specing | tuxd3v: once you have Octave, you never go back | 01:06 |
specing | bc, gcalc, $whatever all suck | 01:06 |
tuxd3v | specing, hehe | 01:06 |
tuxd3v | Octave is in the scientific worl, maybe one of the best tools I have ever used | 01:07 |
specing | I have a keyboard bind on ~, so my WM renders a terminal on the top half of my screen | 01:07 |
tuxd3v | its superpowerfull | 01:07 |
specing | same terminal on all desktops | 01:07 |
specing | and it runs octave-cli in tmux with a bunch of other stuff too | 01:07 |
tuxd3v | I just use tilda | 01:07 |
tuxd3v | but tilda goes to 30-40MB of Ram...yeah | 01:08 |
tuxd3v | dificult to digest.. | 01:08 |
tuxd3v | actually in i386 ascii version comes a qterminal tool | 01:09 |
tuxd3v | that permits at some extent to emulate what tilda does, with drop down terminals... | 01:09 |
tuxd3v | Quake fps like terminal.. | 01:09 |
tuxd3v | very nice. | 01:09 |
tuxd3v | I don't know if there are some minimal version Tilda like | 01:10 |
tuxd3v | consuming lets imaginate-- 20MB would ve nice :) | 01:10 |
tuxd3v | ve -> be | 01:10 |
tuxd3v | specing, I even prefer Octave to Matlab to be honest, has I find some things only possible in Matlab when using certain scales, that you can to in Octave without restrictions, however, with speed penalizations... fft is one of them.. | 01:13 |
specing | *shrug* | 01:17 |
specing | never really used Matlab | 01:17 |
specing | except in school ... to run my Octave scripts ;P | 01:17 |
specing | had to dumb them down so MATLAB would understand them, even | 01:18 |
specing | slowness is a problem, it has no JIT | 01:18 |
tuxd3v | I had to translate Octave to MatLab code in the University, some years ago, because it was understood has "very rude" by the catedratic personnel, that a student decides to use a opensource tool, to do the Job, better done than the MatLab they were trying to "Sell" you.. | 01:20 |
tuxd3v | So as a delivery method, I need to deliver in MatLab | 01:20 |
tuxd3v | but the work were done first in Octave and tested.. | 01:21 |
tuxd3v | My Univesity has an agreement with MatLab.. | 01:21 |
tuxd3v | in the same way they had with Microsoft...puff | 01:21 |
DarwinElf | and where can I download just the deboostrap .deb? | 01:27 |
tuxd3v | DarwinElf, 'apt-get download deboostrap' | 01:29 |
gnarface | DarwinElf: the repos are http so you can just use a web browser but this is easier^^^ | 01:29 |
DarwinElf | well it's not on a Devuan system | 01:29 |
gnarface | that should work on a debian system too if you point the sources.list at the devuan repos | 01:29 |
DarwinElf | (see earlier discussion why I needed it separately on a Debian-based system) | 01:30 |
gnarface | otherwise you're just gonna have to get a web browser up and dig through the repos manually | 01:30 |
DarwinElf | so I can use Debian's/Kubuntu | 01:30 |
DarwinElf | 's and change the repository? | 01:31 |
gnarface | yes, but Kubuntu doesn't belong to Debian | 01:31 |
DarwinElf | it's probably the same package | 01:31 |
gnarface | any Debian derivative with a compatible version of apt should work though | 01:31 |
gnarface | for most the packages it is the same package, but for debootstrap the devuan one has been special historically. i don't *think* the devuan-specific patches have been upstreamed, but i don't know. | 01:32 |
gnarface | what i thought i heard them saying was that someone tried to upstream the patches and found them already present in the upstream source, just disabled by commenting out | 01:32 |
DarwinElf | when I saw a Devuan pkginfo website it said a Debian maintainer is obstructing the patches | 01:32 |
gnarface | (which suggests that they're fully aware of the issue and are holding it in place on purpose) | 01:33 |
gnarface | yea, that isn't the only case of obstruction | 01:33 |
gnarface | but that is why i know the package isn't the same | 01:33 |
gnarface | ...unless that has changed recently | 01:33 |
gnarface | but the devuan version of debootstrap should still work on debian afaik | 01:34 |
DarwinElf | which debootstrap is best then? | 01:34 |
gnarface | obviously the devuan one :) | 01:35 |
gnarface | though afaik they're all basically identical except for that one patch | 01:35 |
gnarface | and the patch might consist of one whole word | 01:36 |
gnarface | or maybe a line | 01:36 |
gnarface | it is likely you could edit it by hand | 01:36 |
gnarface | i could be wrong, but i think it's literally just a one-word line that includes "ascii" as a valid release name | 01:37 |
DarwinElf | the repository directory names make little sense compared to older POSIX-based OSes... having a lot of trouble finding any .debs... | 01:40 |
gnarface | here, let me get that for you http://deb.devuan.org/devuan/pool/main/d/debootstrap/ | 01:43 |
JackFrost | I hear mmdebstrap is cooler and faster, fwiw. | 01:43 |
gnarface | (they're organized the same way as debian's repos) | 01:43 |
DarwinElf | i found it | 01:45 |
DarwinElf | what's mmdebootstrap? | 01:45 |
JackFrost | A new tool for debootstrapping, it's supposed to be quite a lot faster than debootstrap itself, but not as portable (you need apt installed.) | 01:47 |
DarwinElf | the first page I found, the people didn't even use debootstrap. If I was installing from a more powerful Devuan itself (to make package less poweful one can't) that'd be the way I do it. The OSes I prefer using are so old they don't have a tool, you just do it yourself | 01:51 |
DarwinElf | 'first "example" page' | 01:51 |
DarwinElf | guess I got it working though... | 01:53 |
DarwinElf | the packages don't seem to be named x86_64 though... maybe that's all that exists in this case anyway? | 01:54 |
DarwinElf | i'm in the chroot but aptitude isn't finding libtls8.6 (or even 8.5)... which was found on my Devuan VPS... | 01:58 |
gnarface | didn't you say you were targeting a i386 system? | 01:59 |
DarwinElf | LoL, on the VPS, aptitude wasn't found (but that's fixed) but tls8.6 was | 01:59 |
DarwinElf | never said that | 01:59 |
DarwinElf | x86_64 | 01:59 |
gnarface | oh, well either way it's amd64 here not x86_64 | 01:59 |
gnarface | don't get confused, that's for intel chips too still | 01:59 |
gnarface | the chroot has it's own /etc/apt/sources.list file, so you'll probably want to copy the host one over it and then re-run "apt-get update" to be able to see the libtls versions you are expecting | 02:00 |
gnarface | (you might need the bind mounts for that to work) | 02:01 |
gnarface | (not sure) | 02:01 |
DarwinElf | i don't even have a 386. I might've had a '686' with about 128MB RAM but that was in the 1990s... just didn't need much RAM on this amd64 VPS | 02:02 |
* gnarface kept his 686 | 02:03 | |
DarwinElf | i gave 686 to parents but later kept my 786 (no ISA after that,) Okay, I copied /etc/apt/sources.list from the VPS to my PC's chroot, did 'apt-get update' but it's still not finding libtls*... | 02:04 |
gnarface | hmmm | 02:06 |
gnarface | your sources.list might be wrong | 02:06 |
gnarface | you should see libtlsh-dev and libtlsh0 | 02:06 |
gnarface | they're in debian and devuan | 02:06 |
gnarface | if you're looking for some other libtls* it's just not there | 02:07 |
DarwinElf | i see those, but I don't need those. I need libtls8.6 | 02:07 |
gnarface | it doesn't appear to be in Debian, either | 02:07 |
gnarface | i remember it, but i don't know what happened to it | 02:07 |
gnarface | seems to be gone from all releases | 02:07 |
DarwinElf | maybe I installed that on a different server and this is what I need then... | 02:08 |
DarwinElf | i'll try it | 02:08 |
gnarface | hmm, i'm not sure though | 02:08 |
* tuxd3v also keep close to his chest, his 686 | 02:08 | |
DarwinElf | oops. I think it was libtcl8.6 | 02:08 |
gnarface | the description "fuzzy hashing library" doesn't seem related to libtls but i don't know what really happened to libtls | 02:09 |
gnarface | ah, libtcl has even less in common with libtls | 02:09 |
gnarface | libtcl is a gui toolkit | 02:10 |
gnarface | a old one | 02:10 |
DarwinElf | yeah, I just confused it with tcltls | 02:10 |
gnarface | and it is definitely present, both 8.5 and 8.6 i'm seeing actually | 02:10 |
bsd4me | fsmithred: if you're here, I was able to get X running and also got wifi working :) | 02:14 |
fsmithred | hi | 02:15 |
fsmithred | cool. What did you have to do? (in 25 words or less) | 02:15 |
* tuxd3v cannot advise, since he always use 25 * 10, unfortunately | 02:17 | |
DarwinElf | cmake works fine on my VPS but in the chroot (despite being installed) is saying it can't find CMAKE_CXX_COMPILER... so I set that ('root@cosmos:~/znc-1.7.4/build# echo $CMAKE_CXX_COMPILER'--'/usr/bin/cmake') and it's still saying the same thing... is this because I ended up with i386 instead of amd64 I needed, somehow? | 02:17 |
bsd4me | Lol, added a conf file to /etc/X11/xorg.d for and chip, then found out that rfkill was network problem, so downloaded that, and unblocked wlan | 02:17 |
fsmithred | great | 02:17 |
bsd4me | Was that over 25??? :D | 02:18 |
fsmithred | I'm not counting | 02:18 |
bsd4me | Yep, looks pretty good | 02:18 |
fsmithred | looks ok | 02:18 |
bsd4me | So now to start adding programs. Thanks! | 02:18 |
fsmithred | yw | 02:19 |
fsmithred | I'm glad it worked out | 02:19 |
bsd4me | Me too. Bit of frustration, but got it :) | 02:19 |
tuxd3v | fsmithred, does you know( out of your head), what is the default calculator for the i386 ascii iso? | 02:21 |
tuxd3v | I don't find one installed, but I wanted the install the same that is in amd64 iso | 02:21 |
tuxd3v | :) | 02:21 |
fsmithred | the live isos should be the same | 02:22 |
tuxd3v | I have used the cd nr.1 | 02:22 |
fsmithred | I don't know if xfce has a calculator. I just use xcalc | 02:22 |
JackFrost | It doesn't, either mate-calc or gnome-calculator are likely candidates. | 02:22 |
fsmithred | xcalc might already be installed. I think it comes with x11-utils | 02:23 |
tuxd3v | thanks a lot, found another calculator, | 02:24 |
tuxd3v | yes indeed is comes installed :) | 02:24 |
fsmithred | tuxd3v, which one? | 02:24 |
tuxd3v | it doesn't have decimal/hexadecimal/binary conversions but its very nice :) | 02:24 |
tuxd3v | xcalc | 02:24 |
tuxd3v | its a nice tool | 02:25 |
tuxd3v | will createa xcalc.desktop file for it :) | 02:26 |
tuxd3v | createa -> create | 02:26 |
tuxd3v | fsmithred, thanks! | 02:30 |
tuxd3v | fsmithred, does you use any preconfigured "theme" for xcalc ? | 03:17 |
tuxd3v | colors, size, etc | 03:17 |
fsmithred | tuxd3v, no themes here. | 03:45 |
pencilandpaper | I tell you a bummer, I was going to try and check out some other DE's..and can't install them since I ugraded. I did it to myself though. :) | 03:46 |
pencilandpaper | It could be worse, but a bummer indeed. :) | 03:47 |
fsmithred | upgraded to what? | 03:47 |
fsmithred | They are all in beowulf | 03:47 |
pencilandpaper | I'm on chimera/ceres. | 03:47 |
fsmithred | oh, good luck | 03:48 |
pencilandpaper | chimaera * | 03:48 |
pencilandpaper | I know right. lol | 03:48 |
pencilandpaper | I run Xfce by default, so its all good there. | 03:49 |
pencilandpaper | I can't wait for 4.14 to be available. | 03:49 |
fsmithred | I think all of it except xfce4-session is in ceres | 03:50 |
pencilandpaper | Yeah, thats what I think I saw as well. | 03:50 |
fsmithred | my ceres xfce get big black zones at the top of the screen | 03:51 |
fsmithred | I haven't investigated to figure out the cause. It's in a VM, and I don't use it. | 03:51 |
pencilandpaper | Mine doesn't have that issue..but my wallpaper is black. One sec. | 03:52 |
pencilandpaper | Yeah, I don't have that issue over this way. | 03:53 |
pencilandpaper | I run this as my daily OS pretty much, but I do have something else installed just in case..and do make snapshots as well. | 03:53 |
pencilandpaper | Running in a VM is sometimes a lot different than running on the host system though fsmithred , I have noticed that. | 03:55 |
tuxd3v | fsmithred, thanks, the standard there is nice for someone that sees very well, but not otherwise :) | 04:07 |
tuxd3v | I discovered that is possible to tune it almost in a "infinite way" :9 | 04:07 |
gnarface | pencilandpaper: enlightenment should be working in ceres, though i've only managed to prove it with nvidia binary drivers though so ymmv | 04:13 |
gnarface | pencilandpaper: (e23) | 04:14 |
pencilandpaper | Nice gnarface , thanks. I used to run enlightenment a lot actually. Just to keep checking it out. | 04:14 |
pencilandpaper | I haven't used it in a good while though. | 04:14 |
gnarface | pencilandpaper: i tried afterstep, blackbox and windowlab recently and they were all functioning too | 04:15 |
pencilandpaper | Cool.. | 04:18 |
pencilandpaper | I wonder if Openbox is..I may check it out just to see. | 04:18 |
onefang | It's my turn to ask for help. I'm hoping someone here can help with network bridging. I'm trying to bridge eth0 to br0, in Devuan ASCII, so I can later use that for qemu. But I get this bit of silliness when I bring up br0 - https://paste.debian.net/1130400/ | 05:12 |
furrywolf | LOL. something does not know what comments are. | 05:13 |
onefang | Note the names of the interfaces it says don't exist. Spells out what looks like a shell comment. I have searched my entire operating system, can't find that comment anywhere. | 05:13 |
onefang | Can't find anything remotely useful on the web. | 05:13 |
furrywolf | grep -R "replace with your actual interface" /etc/* | 05:13 |
onefang | Like I said, can't find that phrase on my operating system to replace it. ;-P | 05:14 |
onefang | Not in /etc, not in usr, not in var, not in boot, not in lib, .... | 05:14 |
onefang | I'm done pulling out hair over this, I only have one left before I start on my beard. | 05:15 |
onefang | So in desperation, I'm doing something I very rarely need to do, ask for help | 05:17 |
furrywolf | so you tried a grep -iR on those locations? | 05:18 |
onefang | Yes, for the third time, I searched everywhere. lol | 05:19 |
furrywolf | ok, I don't know what you considered searching. :P | 05:20 |
furrywolf | what did you run that gave that? | 05:22 |
onefang | I setup the br0 interface in /etc/network/interfaces, disabled the interface it bridges to, then I get that on boot and ifup br0. | 05:23 |
* furrywolf can't even figure out what gives the does not exist message in that format | 05:26 | |
tuxd3v | furrywolf, it should be a for cycle | 05:27 |
furrywolf | and why is it ifdowning it when you ifup it, anyway? lol | 05:27 |
tuxd3v | it his reading one line word by word, and for each one tries to find the network name | 05:28 |
onefang | I figured that much. | 05:29 |
tuxd3v | hhhe | 05:29 |
tuxd3v | :) | 05:29 |
furrywolf | I would say it's a shell script doing a bad job parsing another shell script | 05:29 |
furrywolf | or shell-like config file | 05:29 |
onefang | I think I just figured it out. Now to reboot to be sure. BRB | 05:30 |
furrywolf | we may have different software installed, or versions or something... | 05:32 |
furrywolf | even though this box is also ascii | 05:32 |
furrywolf | and now they have no network at all? :) | 05:40 |
furrywolf | onefang: ... and then you had no network at all? :) | 05:54 |
onefang | Almost there, still gotta sort out - "RTNETLINK answers: Invalid argument" Which argument? | 05:54 |
furrywolf | so where was that comment and what was trying to parse it? | 05:55 |
onefang | Nah, Internet is on a different interface, I'm experimenting with an internal network, until I get it sorted out. | 05:55 |
onefang | /etc/network/interfaces doesn't allow end of line comments, only comments on their own line. I had copied "bridge_ports eth0 # replace eth0 with your actual interface name" from a web site, and didn't think that "# replace with your actual interface name" might have included a real interface name that did exist when I was searching for it, coz "# replace with your actual interface name" sounds like a v | 05:58 |
onefang | alid English comment to me. | 05:58 |
onefang | And it's bridge-utils that was doing the dead I think. | 05:59 |
furrywolf | ah. and that explains why the searches I did, which included substrings just in case it was broken up somehow, didn't find it, because I don't have lines copies from that web page. lol | 05:59 |
* onefang glues- his hair back on and gets on with this project. | 05:59 | |
furrywolf | I was even doing multi-line greps in case there was a newline in it or something. lol | 06:00 |
onefang | As is often the case, explaining the tricky problems to someone helps. B-) | 06:01 |
furrywolf | I should have considered that you might have entered that comment yourself and didn't remember it. I did not consider this. :P | 06:02 |
onefang | I've had engineers explaining stuff to me that I don't understand for exactly that reason, and half way through they stop and go "Ohh, that's what I did wrong". | 06:02 |
furrywolf | and then I started running /*bin /usr/*bin through strings and grepping that, in case it had ended up compiled into something... lol | 06:04 |
onefang | Time for another reboot or three to track down "RTNETLINK answers: Invalid argument" | 06:05 |
onefang | BRB | 06:05 |
furrywolf | cyas! | 06:05 |
furrywolf | I'm off to bed myself. | 06:05 |
onefang | "RTNETLINK answers: Invalid argument" it was the gateway argument, removed it, no more error messages, and it works. It selected the correct gateway by itself. B-) | 07:41 |
DarwinElf | after I compile a package in a chroot, how do I make the .deb (i.e., it's for a different system that wasn't powerful enough to compile it but is powerful enough to run it) | 08:21 |
joshbowyer | hello | 19:03 |
APic | Hi | 19:04 |
joshbowyer | couldnt get access to the devuan-dev but ive identified an issue in the battery/power system in cinnamon | 19:05 |
joshbowyer | with upowerglib | 19:05 |
joshbowyer | not sure if there are any devs who would like to see my testing | 19:06 |
DarwinElf | is there a HOWTO/tutorial to use equivs to build package (just for personal usage? I just need to make it for a server not powerful enough to build it, but I think can run it) | 20:16 |
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