| fsmithred | he didn't miss anything | 00:00 |
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| Guest46359 | fsmithred: one day i shall go to Boston | 00:00 |
| fsmithred | cool. Let me know! | 00:00 |
| fsmithred | I want to go back to AMS | 00:00 |
| Guest46359 | Amsterdam? | 00:00 |
| fsmithred | yes | 00:00 |
| fsmithred | I liked it there. | 00:01 |
| Guest46359 | It's cool | 00:01 |
| Guest46359 | fsmithred: i recoverd the code of the remastersys project (by Tony Brijeski, a canadian engineer); may be it would be useful for refracta... | 00:08 |
| golinux | eyalroz: Who is responsible for that troublesome package in devuan? AFAIK, Devuan only touches packages related to systemd and would not change something on a whim. | 00:08 |
| fsmithred | I've looked at that code in the past, and it's very different from mine | 00:08 |
| fsmithred | I'll be playing with your live-sdk soon | 00:09 |
| golinux | eyalroz: Can you please post the version number here? | 00:09 |
| Guest46359 | golinux: greetings | 00:09 |
| golinux | Hello aitor! Big hug coming your way!! | 00:10 |
| Guest46359 | I want to go to Texas | 00:11 |
| eyalroz | golinux: source-highlight 3.1.8-1.2+b1 | 00:15 |
| eyalroz | Maintainer: Peter Eisentraut <petere@debian.org> | 00:15 |
| Guest46359 | fsmithred: i'm focused in simple-netaid for now | 00:17 |
| fsmithred | that's ok. I'm focussed on helping to get beowulf out the door | 00:17 |
| fsmithred | I need to re-clone your repo and start playing with the beowulf build | 00:18 |
| Guest46359 | give me one day, and i'll send you the link to the sources | 00:20 |
| Guest46359 | fsmithred: time to bed, see you tomorrow :) | 00:21 |
| golinux | eyalroz: That is not a devuan package. Talk to Debian about it. | 00:28 |
| eyalroz | golinux: Yes, I know it isn't. | 00:28 |
| eyalroz | I was just wondering if you all want to talk to them about it too. | 00:28 |
| eyalroz | I've just emailed the package maintainer, let's see what he says. | 00:28 |
| golinux | That's for doing that. That's a task for affected users to pursue. | 00:31 |
| golinux | That's > Thanks | 00:31 |
| golinux | Let us know what he says. | 00:32 |
| eyalroz | golinux: Sure. | 00:36 |
| tuxd3v | hello, | 03:24 |
| tuxd3v | Anybody knows, the diference between 4.9.0-11-686 and 4.9.0-12-686 kernels? | 03:25 |
| tuxd3v | thanks | 03:25 |
| rrq | probably you could download the two deb files, then extract the two config-4.9.0-1[12]-686 files, and diff them | 03:28 |
| tuxd3v | rrq, that could give me a diff in the config, | 03:32 |
| tuxd3v | but I still don't know if any patch's were aplied to 12 diferent than what was in 11 :S | 03:32 |
| tuxd3v | My question was more to know if anithing has changes between 11->12 kernels | 03:33 |
| tuxd3v | :) | 03:33 |
| onefang | Is'nt that what changelogs are for? Kernel changelogs usually have a long list of changes. | 03:34 |
| tuxd3v | onefang, yes you right, I was doing something and pam.. occured to me also :) | 03:44 |
| tuxd3v | thanks | 03:44 |
| tuxd3v | both of you :) | 03:44 |
| onefang | You are welcome. | 03:44 |
| tuxd3v | well it seems several fixes, with also security fixes for meltdown, spectre and fiends.. | 04:10 |
| * tuxd3v humm tuxd3v still prefer full performance of is xeon( he paid for it.. ) | 04:11 | |
| cousin_luigi | Greetings. | 09:04 |
| cousin_luigi | What is the difference between devuan and running stock debian with sysvinit ? | 09:05 |
| rrq | great idea. report back when you've tried it. | 09:12 |
| gour | lol | 09:18 |
| cousin_luigi | I am running my homeserver and router on that. | 10:28 |
| cousin_luigi | The main difference appears to be in the init= switch as boot option. | 10:29 |
| cousin_luigi | I mean it. I need them to run on ro filesystems and I don't fully understand how much systemd has insinuated itself into the OS. | 10:31 |
| onefang | That'll be one of the key differences then, Devuan tries to uninsinuate systemd. | 10:32 |
| cousin_luigi | Thing is, I keep reading about debian leaving choice to the user, but how much is that actually feasible? | 10:34 |
| cousin_luigi | So far I'm happy with my somewhat customised debian, but perhaps I'm missing out. | 10:35 |
| cousin_luigi | ? | 10:35 |
| onefang | These sorts of questions are probably better off asked in #debianfork, this is a support channel. | 10:36 |
| cousin_luigi | ahh | 10:36 |
| cousin_luigi | bbl | 11:23 |
| xkr47 | any workaround for "Error: could not find a distribution template for Devuan/ascii" from `add-apt-repository ppa:phablet-team/tools` ? | 14:57 |
| djph | fake debian ... uh... what was oldstable's codename? | 15:02 |
| fsmithred | stretch | 15:03 |
| xkr47 | temporarily Debian/ascii? :) | 15:03 |
| fsmithred | edit /etc/os-release | 15:03 |
| fsmithred | ID=debian | 15:03 |
| fsmithred | however... | 15:03 |
| fsmithred | DON'T USE PPAs! | 15:03 |
| xkr47 | ah | 15:03 |
| fsmithred | you might bork your system | 15:03 |
| xkr47 | then how ? | 15:03 |
| xkr47 | :) | 15:04 |
| xkr47 | install manually? | 15:04 |
| djph | oh, ppa ... thought you were building from source. | 15:04 |
| fsmithred | they have deb packages? That would be safer. | 15:04 |
| fsmithred | the problem is that they might have libraries in the ppa that come in and mess things up for you | 15:04 |
| xkr47 | I need fastboot for flashing android so let's see | 15:05 |
| fsmithred | if you install deb packages, you can figure out if you have mis-matched versions of things | 15:05 |
| xkr47 | yeah, but if it only installs apps, is it ok? | 15:05 |
| xkr47 | anyway, maybe manual install then.. sunday is running out and I need to flash my wife's phone :) | 15:05 |
| fsmithred | it might work | 15:05 |
| fsmithred | fastboot is in repo, isn't it? | 15:06 |
| fsmithred | I see it in beowulf | 15:06 |
| fsmithred | 1:7.0.0+r33-1 in ascii | 15:06 |
| xkr47 | oh | 15:08 |
| xkr47 | lol | 15:08 |
| xkr47 | so much for following instructions too carefully : | 15:08 |
| xkr47 | :) | 15:08 |
| fsmithred | be flexible! | 15:09 |
| fsmithred | I started modifying and mixing sets of instructions long before I knew what I was doing. Most of the time it works out. (i.e. without destroying the system.) | 15:10 |
| xkr47 | :) | 15:10 |
| xkr47 | btrfs snapshots ftw ;) | 15:10 |
| xkr47 | hmm phablet-tools not available, but wonder what it is, do I even need it | 15:12 |
| xkr47 | "Scripts to work with Phablet." yeah that helps | 15:13 |
| fsmithred | no phablet in repo | 15:14 |
| xkr47 | yeah | 15:17 |
| TwistedFate | Anyone here who can help me find what's using up almost all of my RAM? I think my Devuan install has a memory leak.. | 15:47 |
| xkr47 | top -> type "M" (sort by memory size) -> check the number of the "RES" column (RESident size = how much memory is used) of the first few processes | 15:48 |
| cehteh | TwistedFate: try top or ps ... | 15:48 |
| xkr47 | (top = a command to run in the termal | 15:48 |
| xkr47 | terminal even | 15:49 |
| TwistedFate | top isn't saying much.. | 15:49 |
| TwistedFate | can't pinpoint the exact thing | 15:49 |
| cehteh | what makes you thin too mcuh ram is used? | 15:50 |
| TwistedFate | 12 gigs being used right now, got a browser and a few things open | 15:50 |
| cehteh | that there isnt nuch 'free' should be normal | 15:50 |
| cehteh | because it copies a lot files and files caches with it | 15:50 |
| cehteh | fills | 15:50 |
| TwistedFate | it's not normal because my firefox just started bugging out | 15:50 |
| xkr47 | TwistedFate, can you paste the output of `free` ? | 15:50 |
| onefang | top -c might help pinpoint things, it shows the entire command line. | 15:51 |
| cehteh | you should only worry when it starts swapping or the oomo killer kill processes | 15:51 |
| TwistedFate | total used free shared buff/cache available | 15:51 |
| TwistedFate | Mem: 15Gi 11Gi 2.1Gi 1.3Gi 2.0Gi 2.6Gi | 15:51 |
| TwistedFate | Swap: 7.4Gi 0.0Ki 7.4Gi | 15:51 |
| TwistedFate | it is swapping and it's pissing me off | 15:52 |
| xkr47 | it says 0.0 swap used, so that doesn't seem to be true | 15:52 |
| cehteh | yeah no swapping | 15:53 |
| TwistedFate | not right now, i clear swap regularly | 15:53 |
| xkr47 | if you want more evidence, type "vmstat 1"v and monitor the "si" (swap in) and "so" (swap out) columns.. if they are 0 all the time then nothing is swapped | 15:53 |
| xkr47 | "bi" and "bo" indicate other (non-swap) disk access, I think it was in kilobytes | 15:53 |
| cehteh | you can try to stop the installer (from console) ny ctrl-z or ctrl-s ... or send the STOP signal to the process, then investigate further | 15:54 |
| xkr47 | so with that top command + "M", can you paste the first three processes maybe? | 15:54 |
| TwistedFate | xkr47: top +M? | 15:55 |
| xkr47 | yeah, run top, and after it started, type uppercase M | 15:56 |
| xkr47 | so it sorts by memory use | 15:56 |
| xkr47 | then paste 3 top processes in the list | 15:56 |
| TwistedFate | 1927 root 20 0 6363528 2.2g 96536 S 1.3 13.7 298:01.69 Xorg | 15:56 |
| TwistedFate | 21281 twisted+ 20 0 4128376 1.1g 229152 S 0.0 6.9 39:35.44 Web Content | 15:56 |
| TwistedFate | 16456 twisted+ 20 0 4183460 1.1g 143820 S 0.3 6.8 27:49.04 Web Content | 15:56 |
| xkr47 | can you paste the header line too? | 15:57 |
| xkr47 | telling which is which | 15:57 |
| xkr47 | ok I reset my toprc and got the same order now :) | 15:58 |
| xkr47 | so the 2.2g column is RES | 15:58 |
| specing | TwistedFate | not right now, i clear swap regularly | 15:58 |
| specing | That's silly | 15:58 |
| specing | TwistedFate: How much on tmpfs? | 15:58 |
| xkr47 | good point | 15:58 |
| specing | run ps_mem from github | 15:58 |
| xkr47 | url? | 15:58 |
| specing | no idea, downloaded it like 10 years ago | 15:59 |
| specing | But it is the only accurate way of telling how much memory some process consumes | 15:59 |
| xkr47 | "how much on tmpfs?" -> command: df | grep tmpfs | 15:59 |
| specing | wrong command | 15:59 |
| TwistedFate | https://paste.debian.net/hidden/f981e18b/ | 16:00 |
| xkr47 | wrong? | 16:00 |
| specing | wrong | 16:00 |
| xkr47 | ?-) | 16:01 |
| xkr47 | those Web Content processes seemt o be using a lot, and I guess it's firefox doing it | 16:01 |
| specing | TwistedFate: top is useless, run psmem | 16:01 |
| xkr47 | TwistedFate, you could try this: | 16:01 |
| specing | How many tabs do you have open? | 16:01 |
| TwistedFate | about 30 | 16:01 |
| xkr47 | I have 1600 | 16:02 |
| specing | run psmem | 16:02 |
| TwistedFate | having trouble to find it, it's not in the repo? | 16:02 |
| TwistedFate | of not, got a link? | 16:02 |
| TwistedFate | if not* | 16:02 |
| specing | it's there and called ps_mem | 16:02 |
| xkr47 | but try this: in firefox, 1. open url "about:preferences" 2. in search field type "process" 3. Disable "Use recommended performance settings" 4. Set "Content process limit" to maybe 2 5. Restart firefox 6. Check memory use again | 16:03 |
| specing | was there*, no idea if it still is | 16:03 |
| fsmithred | there are two or three different versions of ps_mem (and ps_mem.py) on github. I tried them last week. They all work. | 16:04 |
| fsmithred | I think two showed firefox total on a single line and the other one put each ff/webcontent process on a different line | 16:05 |
| TwistedFate | specing: it's not in the repo | 16:06 |
| TwistedFate | firefox was taking a bit more than 5 gigs | 16:15 |
| TwistedFate | still have 5 gigs used up and not many things open | 16:15 |
| TwistedFate | seems like xorg is to blame | 16:15 |
| TwistedFate | time to reboot i guess | 16:15 |
| lonu | Hi Devuan people. I've installed Devuan yesterday, and I like the minimality of this system. I was wondering if there's some upgrade plan for a more recent Debian | 21:07 |
| lonu | ...oh, sorry, I have to go. Cheers | 21:14 |
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