| banisterfiend | fsmithred do you know any other distros that use sysvinit ? | 00:07 |
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| fsmithred | antix has sysvinit and no systemd, mxlinux uses sysvinit but has systemd installed and not running. Other's I can't think of, and I need to go answer the door. bbl | 00:08 |
| clemens3 | LFS has a sysvinit version | 00:10 |
| fsmithred | banisterfiend, search 'linux distros without systemd' and you find lists. (one hit claims there are 45 on their list) | 00:34 |
| banisterfiend | thx | 00:35 |
| fsmithred | shit. Now I'm doing it. s/Other's/Others/ | 01:21 |
| agris | you mentioned it was possible to use protected management frames on an atheros chipset that doesn't support with at the cost of a performance penalty doing it in software | 13:37 |
| agris | that's perfectly acceptable for me | 13:37 |
| agris | How do I do PMF in software? | 13:38 |
| agris | I only use high quality software anyways so my cpu usually hangs around 0.25-0.75 percent usage except for occasional spikes. this helps me keep power efficiency up | 13:39 |
| agris | I can more than handle some additional load for security | 13:40 |
| _abc_ | I have a problem which is on ascii but likely a devuan problem. The libsox*-mp3 lib is present, sox is updated to latest, but sox claims no mp3 input library support. | 15:08 |
| _abc_ | Suggest something to convert mp3 to wav, or how to fix sox on ascii. | 15:08 |
| _abc_ | I need to convert mp3->wav. | 15:08 |
| gnarface | ffmpeg should work | 15:12 |
| gnarface | so would anything that can decode it, if you're not in a hurry since you can just record a wav of it playing | 15:13 |
| monsieur1 | 3~ | 15:45 |
| _abc_ | I usped mpg123 -w output.wav | 15:57 |
| _abc_ | But the sox manpage claims sox can do it and the relevant libsox-mp3 is in the distro and installed | 15:57 |
| _abc_ | ldd shows sox is not linked against it. Debian ball drop? | 15:58 |
| _abc_ | Note that sox is pulse (Poettering) virus contaminated, that may have something to do with the failure to live up to the manpage, or not. | 15:58 |
| mason | I thought sox long predated pulseaudio. | 16:05 |
| MinceR | i thought so too, but i guess it got infected | 16:05 |
| mason | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SoX 1991 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PulseAudio 2004 | 16:05 |
| fsmithred | libsox-fmt-pulse is a dep | 16:06 |
| _abc_ | yes fsmithred | 16:08 |
| _abc_ | but I don't see it in ldd output | 16:08 |
| _abc_ | Are there programs which do "late binding" such that this would not be visible to ldd? | 16:08 |
| mason | _abc_: Yes, that's fairly common even. | 16:09 |
| fsmithred | there are some other things missing, too - alsa, ao oss | 16:09 |
| _abc_ | Would anyone know if sox does late binding? | 16:09 |
| _abc_ | fsmithred: there are several libsox libs in the normal distribution, I installed all I think, did not help | 16:09 |
| onefang | Late binding tends to be "check if it exists before binding", to be tolerant of optional things missing. | 16:10 |
| _abc_ | Also tried to run ldd on the libs, libsox itself, no joy | 16:10 |
| _abc_ | onefang: yes | 16:10 |
| fsmithred | fwiw, sox won't do mp3 to wav here, either | 16:10 |
| fsmithred | I think I got the same error as you | 16:10 |
| _abc_ | Right. | 16:10 |
| onefang | I wonder if this is like the purge of JPEG 2000 support from Debian stretch? Sure not many use it, but I do a lot. Royal pain in the arse. Now nothing but imagemagick supports it. | 16:12 |
| _abc_ | libsox2 is the most suspect one. ldd /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/libsox.so.2.0.1 -> not what I wanted to see | 16:12 |
| _abc_ | It may perform the late binding, itself | 16:12 |
| _abc_ | onefang: can be due to mp3 (expired) patent paranoia | 16:12 |
| fsmithred | _abc_, I get the same on devuan jessie. | 16:20 |
| _abc_ | ok, so someone dropped the ball long time ago in debian. And it is not fixed to this day. | 16:20 |
| _abc_ | Now I wonder if anything at all in ascii depends on libsox-fmt-mp3 | 16:20 |
| _abc_ | strange, libsox-fmt-mp3 is installed but I can't find it on the system | 16:22 |
| _abc_ | running updatedb | 16:22 |
| fsmithred | oh, I didn't have libsox-fmt-mp3 installed. I added it and now it works. | 16:26 |
| fsmithred | libsox-fmt-mp3: /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/sox/libsox_fmt_mp3.so | 16:32 |
| _abc_ | on ascii? | 16:33 |
| fsmithred | beowulf | 16:33 |
| _abc_ | I am on ascii. Trying now. | 16:34 |
| _abc_ | I get the same error, not working. Command sox in.mp3 out.wav | 16:35 |
| _abc_ | /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/sox/libsox_fmt_mp3.so exists | 16:35 |
| fsmithred | try keeping in and out the same - just change the extension | 16:35 |
| _abc_ | "sox FAIL formats: can't open input file `in.mp3': WAV file encoding `MP3' is not supported" | 16:35 |
| _abc_ | That's what I did now, same outcome. | 16:36 |
| fsmithred | I'll test on ascii | 16:36 |
| fsmithred | one minute | 16:36 |
| fsmithred | works here | 16:38 |
| fsmithred | I install sox and libsox-fmt-mp3 | 16:39 |
| fsmithred | I'm on amd64 here. Don't know if that makes a difference. | 16:42 |
| fsmithred | _abc_, does sox have a graphical interface? | 16:44 |
| _abc_ | Not that I know of. | 16:45 |
| _abc_ | A more interesting find would be to grep the binary of sox for libsox-* in case the late binding device is in it. | 16:46 |
| fsmithred | I was just curious why it's linked against libgtk3-nocsd | 16:51 |
| fsmithred | which disable client-side decorations | 16:52 |
| Highd | hello, could anybody point me to where, when or who made the decision to include systemd-timesyncd on Buster as a default? | 18:55 |
| golinux | Highd: If you have that, it didn't come from Devuan: https://pkginfo.devuan.org/cgi-bin/d1pkgweb-query?search=systemd-timesyncd&release=any | 19:27 |
| golinux | This is the first time I've heard of that package in the all the years I've been here. | 19:28 |
| Highd | golinux: sorry, this is buster, not ascii... I just assumed someone here would know about this new "default" on Buster and help me trace back where the decision was made within the debian project | 19:52 |
| Highd | everything point to them shoehorning timesyncd as a default instead of ntp | 19:52 |
| mason | Highd: Wow, even their wiki page about ntpd is strictly incorrect: https://wiki.debian.org/NTP | 20:36 |
| mason | Everything in that second paragraph is incorrect, aside from a link which amazingly is not a 404. | 20:37 |
| Highd | yep, I saw that earlier too | 20:37 |
| Highd | dhcp, ntp and dns... that is the trifecta for the ones on the know | 20:38 |
| Highd | and we have a bingo | 20:38 |
| Highd | fucking depressing | 20:39 |
| mason | Highd: On the plus side, you can have proper ntpd in both Debian and Devuan. | 20:39 |
| Lydia_K | I thought the ntpd replacements was chronyd? or did they abandon that already and make another new one? | 20:40 |
| Wonka | shoehorning in something that has systemd in its name? nooooobody would ever do THAT! | 20:40 |
| mason | Lydia_K: chrony is still viable, and it has nothing to do with systemd-timesyncd | 20:41 |
| mason | My personal preference remains ntpd. | 20:41 |
| Lydia_K | Oh ok, my mistake. I thought chony was a systemd thing as well, I was incorrect. | 20:48 |
| * ErRandir is running ntpd on ascii here | 20:50 | |
| golinux | Why is this being discussed on this channel? Try #debianfork if you want to moan about systemd. | 21:42 |
| Highd | golinux: to energize people | 21:45 |
| Highd | I feel pretty motivated now... need help with sysvinit-core | 21:46 |
| Highd | ! | 21:46 |
| golinux | This is a devuan support channel | 21:46 |
| golinux | That would be good to discuss here. | 21:46 |
| golinux | I've never had to so a thing to get sysvinit. It's the default here. | 21:47 |
| * golinux goes to put groceries away | 21:47 | |
| Highd | but could we not give a helping hand to ian @ debian? | 21:48 |
| mason | Highd: Please take that elsewhere. | 21:49 |
| Highd | mason: is that a thing??? | 21:50 |
| Highd | I dont follow the politics really closely... I thought that was a list with ppl that agreed to cooperate | 21:51 |
| Highd | read it last night | 21:51 |
| golinux | We welcome you to #debianfork for that discussion. | 21:54 |
| Highd | i see you! thanks | 21:56 |
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